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ning (acetaminophanatic) 04-27-04 14:51 No 503311 |
bromosafrole to MDMA via N-methyl carbamates | |||||||
Once upon a time, Drone342 had an idea to react bromosafrole with sodium methylamide, thereby eliminating overalkylation and raising yields. Only problem was, it is very difficult to deprotonate methylamine. One day, ning was working on such a route and thought about what protecting groups could bee used to lower the pKa of the amine to low values. And shazam--there they were. When an amine is Boc-ed or otherwise converted into a carbamate, its pKa drops to around 15, which is, in fact, very near that of NaOH. This means it now becomes very easy to deprotonate, and monoalkylate. Now, we could use NaOH, or NaOMe, but that would probably hydrolyze our carbamate, which is bad. So ning suggests using PTC conditions, with bromosafrole, N-methyl carbamate, and Na2CO3 as dry base. Na2CO3 will not hydrolyze things like NaOH will. Ning can almost guarantee this will work and give high yield of monoalkylated amines. Finally, the last problem. Where to obtain N-methyl carbamates? There are 2 ways, both of which aren't so hard. First, if you are doing eleusis's hoffmann rearrangement of acetamide to methylamine, just do it in alcohol instead of water. It will form ethyl N-methyl carbamate, via the isocyanate intermediate of the hoffmann rearrangement. Otherwise, for the truly lazy or adventurous, you can buy N-methyl 2-naphthyl carbamate off the shelf. It's an insecticide called Carbaryl, AKA Sevin. The highest concentration ning has seen it in is 22.5% solution. There are many other "carbamate" poisons with other functions, herbacides, fungicides, etc., so there's lots of room to play... This might bee also an interesting source of methylamine. MeNH- + PhCH2CH(CH3).Br --> PhCH2CH(CH3).NHMe + Br- {very difficult!} (N-)(Me)COOR + PhCH2CH(CH3).Br --> PhCH2CH(CH3).N(Me)COOR + Br- {much easier!} PhCH2CH(CH3)N(Me)COOR + H2O + [OH-] --> PhCH2CH(CH3)NMe + ROH + CO2 I've been chased by both cops and robbers. So what does that make me? |
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SpicyBrown (Hive Bee) 04-27-04 23:14 No 503385 |
I'm not actually sure if you need to worry... | |||||||
I'm not actually sure if you need to worry about hydrolyzing the carbamate with a base such as NaOH. Both Boc and Cbz carbamates are stable to NaOH and in fact even NaH (at least for Cbz) I recently read a paper where a unit was attached to a synthetic amino acid by an Sn2 reaction- The unit was N-(2-Cl-Cbz)-methoxylamine (not sure if the name is totally correct there; 2-Cl-Cbz is simply the Cbz protecting group with a chlorine on the ring). It was deprotonated at the nitrogen with NaH and then reacted with the amino acid displacing a bromine on its side chain. Other carbamates are base sensitive, like Fmoc, but that's due to the nature of the fluorenylmethyl group as opposed to the carbamate AFAIK. I'm not in a position to find the ref just this minute, but if anybody's interested I can post it later. And anyway now that you mention it, I think this seems like a potentially worthwhile route to MDMA from bromosafrole.. -SpicyBrown |
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ning (acetaminophanatic) 04-28-04 02:37 No 503404 |
Carbamate sensitivity | |||||||
Not sure either, but what I've heard is that Boc is much, much stronger against hydrolysis than simple alkyl carbamates (which is why it is used...). Also, NaH wouldn't hydrolyze anything, since it's a "dry" base. But NaOH, well, it forms water (HOH) when it takes a proton, so I guess it's particularly good at hydrolyzing things like that. Also, even in PTC, the ion extracted from the aqueous phase carries a small ball of water with it (from 3 to 6 H2O, typically). Apparently, carbonate ion, as a dibasic ion is really difficult to extract from the water phase (I guess because it would require two PTC molecules), so somehow use of carbonate avoids hydrolysis problems. It's a little weaker than hydroxide ion, but that's not a problem in this system because the carbamate is so easy to deprotonate. (On a more practical note, I think carbonate is cheaper than hydroxide anyway) Ultimately, testing would resolve this issue. Is anhydrous system required or what? Ease of hydrolysis is convenient for other reasons, though. We have to remove that protecting group later. Ideally it could bee done in one pot. After the reaction is complete, the system is diluted with water and stirred for a while. Then, an A/B extraction can be done to remove the formed amine. Here's something interesting: JOC 1979, 3391 On page 3394, they do this: "The requisite [beta]-(N-methyl-N-carbomethoxy) ketone was easily prepared in 74% yield by the reaction of the known [beta]-chloro ketone with methyl N-methylcarbamate in the presence of a catalytinc amount of p-toluenesulfonic acid. [Monatsh. Chem., 102, 233 (1971)]" "A mixture containing methyl N-methylcarbamate (11.3 g, 0.12 mol), 3,4-dimethoxy-3'-chloropropiophenone (14.4 g, 0.06 mol), and a catalytic amount of p-toluenesulfonic acid (ca. 50 mg) in toluene (250 ml) was heated at reflux for about 48 h. The mixture was then washed with saturated brine (1 x 100 mL) and dried (MgSO4), and the excess solvents were removed under reduced pressure. The crude ketourethane thus obtained was then recrystallized from ether-hexane to give 12.9 g (74%) as a white crystalline solid." How does that work? Note the high yield, protection of aryl ether functions, and small excess of carbamate. Nice. Obviously ning doesn't understand carbamate chem well enough yet. Ning suspects, at least for the moment, ordering this type of thing from chem supply will not bee suspicious. Drug chemists usually don't use amino-acid protection functions in their evil syntheses. Hmm..... I've been chased by both cops and robbers. So what does that make me? |
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Nicodem (Hive Bee) 04-28-04 09:23 No 503465 |
Eliminating the elimination | |||||||
Are we 100% sure that the problem with alkylation of 'bromosafrole' is only its low electrophylicity and thus a lausy reactivity. What are the side products of such alkylation? Maybe it is the HBr elimination side reaction that lowers the yields. This would form isosafrole as a side product. I don't truly believe in this being a problem but it might bee something to consider, especialy when alkylating with considerably basic nucleophyles like (carb)amides and at higher temperatures. “The real drug-problem is that we need more and better drugs.” – J. Ott |
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Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-28-04 09:29 No 503468 |
Suggested reading on bromosafrole rxn | |||||||
Suggested reading: Post 502454 (Rhodium: "Analysis of 'Bromosafrole Route' Preparations", Serious Chemistry) The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders |
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ning (acetaminophanatic) 04-28-04 14:51 No 503506 |
as far as I understand it | |||||||
AFAIK, the main problems are: Relatively low reactivity of bromosafrole, Methylamine base has a low boiling point so you need a bomb, Overalkylation of formed MDMA amine, forcing use of 10x methylamine or so to get a decent yield. Look at those papers! 5g safrole gets 40 ml 40% methylamine! What excess would that be? I guess elimination could be a problem. Dunno. Rhodium, do you think adding hydroquinone or something to safrole when it's recieving HBr would raise yields by preventing anti-markovnikov free-radical pathways? I've been chased by both cops and robbers. So what does that make me? |
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Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-28-04 16:41 No 503535 |
Anti-Anti-Markovnikov Additive | |||||||
A radical inhibitor would be a good idea, but I cannot say if HQ would be the one best suited for the job or not. The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders |
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ning (acetaminophanatic) 05-10-04 05:22 No 506149 |
pKa of N-Methylcarbamates | |||||||
http://www.chem.ucla.edu/research/org/MERLIC_GROUP/c_links/Amines_Amides.html At the bottom, you will see a cyclic carbamate. It is rated to have a pKa of 12 under aqueous conditions. The pKa calculator (http://ibmlc2.chem.uga.edu/sparc/index.cfm) calculates it to be 13.something. This is an encouragement, because the calculator thinks N-methyl carbamate should have a pKa of 13. It stands to reason that they would bee in the same order of magnitude. This means that the carbamate will bee almost fully deprotonated by NaOH, and within trivial reach of any PTC system. How delightful! I think it's worth a try. BTW, heads up: Lots of hofmann rearrangement papers and refs coming in, showing how to make the aforementioned N-methyl carbamate in one step from acetamide. Let's rock this town! ...it's an AOL chatroom for dyslexic spider monkies... |
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ning (acetaminophanatic) 06-16-04 18:35 No 513808 |
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First, we'll start with the mother paper: "New Strategies for the Hofmann Reaction", J. Chem. Tech. Biotech. 59; 1994, 271 In this paper they discuss many things, including formation of the aforementioned carbamates by performing the Hofmann rearrangement in alcohol. Yields were all above 90% from amides. This will be dealt with later. For the moment, I would direct attention to page 274, the section labeled "N-Alkylation of carbamates".
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