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BlackICE
(Stranger)
07-25-04 11:55
No 521521
User Picture       Not Drying

Hi guys , can anyone suggest OR tell me what im doing wrong . because for the world I cant dry my Psuedo Ive have tried 2 ways, the first way im doing straight E Extraction standard procedure , on the 120mg's decant with ISO 3 times, threw charmin plug crazy crazy ...I then put it in a pie dish, to let dry. With fan and heat ive tried it. everyway and even just in room temp. i even tried Tetrachloroethylene Perchloroethylene but cant get the decants dry when you surpose to dry under a fan it stays wet, can somone pleas tell me what im doing wrong ,cause i fallow the instructions but cant get passed the third stage..when trying to dry ...I know im going to get Flamed, cause for somme reason, i think i coulndt explain it to you guys ,please have mercy.For those that didnt understand, please just dont answer me i'll understand. I know you Hive bee's are busy, and have better things to do than, tell newbees like my self to UTFSE , cause its already been discussed. i have read and read, but it seems that more i read the more it get confusing..for Eg: some post ive read says, that you can use colemans fuel, and others tell you shouldn't ..which is it.and can you use Dimethyl Ether instead of MEK, and whats a carafe ??? is that some type of coffee filter ??
and Dry Ice is that Dh2o frozen in a ice cube and whenyou do a TETRA and you use brake cleaner and spray inside the flask to soak the pill mass whay and what is that freezers on the side of the flask and after a while if you left for couple of days little rocks form ,now are they good or bad do you decant as normal or because they are solid wash them.,And one last thing ,Ventti premium lighter fluid exstra refined is that Naptha, its manufactured in hollandin, liqiud form and if im not mistaking it writes ANapthpes something like that its in another language as much as i can under stand ...??? if anyone has the time, to answer some of these questions for me ,then this newbee will be very happy, and can move onto next stage.

LET IT RAIN BLACK ICE

12cheman12
(Hive Bee)
07-25-04 12:04
No 521522
      all your gonna get here is a USTFE, i didnt...

all your gonna get here is a USTFE, i didnt even have to read ur post i just read the subject line.
Gaks are in a new era these days, those procedures wont work for gaks now.

Hint: KOH Boil or Short Path Distillation

barkingburro
(Hive Bee)
07-25-04 12:14
No 521523
      hey blackie

UTSFEing is a great thing, but reading te current threads is also a useful tool. your first mistake is using the 120's. using the search engine can often be frustrating because you are getting bits of information taken out of context. what you should do is e patient and go back and read through a few current threads and keep up with them. and when i say read a thread i mean READIT ALL. every post . you'll get a better feel fr the methods that way. cheers

BlackICE
(Stranger)
07-25-04 13:56
No 521536
User Picture       Looks like your the one needs to read

Obviously you guys are more stupid than i am, if you guys read my post Quote :...I know im going to get Flamed, cause for some reason, i think i couldn’t explain it to you guys ,please have mercy. For those that didn’t understand, . , Please don’t respond cause its already been discussed. i have read and read, but [red]...you know if some of you hive bees, stop and think, maybe this newbie aint smart or have the luxuries as other bees and in a different environment having mentally disorder which leaves being handicap than other bees ...im not the one needs to read and UTFSE its you guys need to read im not putting that up cause im lazy ive just got a different way of understanding things its not my fault i was born like that SO PLEASE WHY DONT YOU READ MY POST BETTER AND WHEN YOU COME TO THE BIT PLEASE DO NOT RESPONDE IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND .do me a favor don’t respond if its going to be critisim..the UTFSE aint going to tell me the suggestion I ask for suggestion was weather you can use Coleman fuel ,or not or is it true or not ,I wasn’t asking answers wanted options so I can understand it properly , the hole site contradicts it self a lot, go on one site it say it works, like then couple of pages , they say no don’t do that way its bad ,for what ever I hope you got my point I’ll let you guys have your piece and you leave you wont here from me again on this site. You guys have no idea i about teaching, no wander the fucking hole world is fucking stupid cause when someone ask for help people turn around says over the river there your life jacket across the river just swim across instead on pulling him on his boat with his hand nurturing him across ..I don’t have much time in this god forsaking world so i did allot of reading and it got all confusing for us and having only 3 months I don’t think I want to waist my time here speaking to people that have no idea about life around them peace be with your world ….

LET IT RAIN BLACK ICE

evilscripter69
(Newbee)
07-25-04 14:30
No 521539
User Picture       Where is the E

Its not inside a flask is it?
If it is take it out, rinse with dry acetone
air dry on a glass dish, a light will speed up drying(dont put it too close)

Ewok_Poacher
(Newbee)
07-25-04 14:35
No 521540
      gak

I believe it was geezmiester who had a post about the gak that refuses to dry.

BlackBmw1
(Stranger)
07-25-04 14:57
No 521546
      evilscripter69 im not beeing a smart arse ,or...

evilscripter69 im not beeing a smart arse ,or disrespectful , but if you read his post up top, he tells you Eg: smile I then put it in a pie dish, to let dry. With fan and heat ive tried it. everyway and even just in room temp. i even tried Tetrachloroethylene Perchloroethylene but cant get the decants dry when you surpose to dry under a fan it stays wet, can somone pleas tell me what im doing wrong smile smile funny you should say that blackice cause i was following (barkingburro) post he did 2 weeks ago given his way and ive come to the same conclusion of blackice ...but never thought that it can be a new wave of Gakk ...after the 3rd decant wand was rerady to dry in pyrex dish still there not dried either ??? smile smile

I Am A Information Junky.. Knowledge Is Power

barkingburro
(Hive Bee)
07-25-04 16:09
No 521559
      actualu since we're on the subject

ok speaking of rereads, why dont you re-read mine? first point i made is DON'T USE THE 120'S!!!!!! the second point was read up to date threads. there is a reason i told you to do this. if you had read any of these up to date threads you might have learned something, first off THERE IS NO WORKING CURE FOR 120'S AS THE STAND TODAY. now you may have FOUND a cure for them, but go back and look at the dates. why does the site contradict itself? well, heres a news flash : SHIT CHANGES. this means that what worked today may not work in 4 weeksd and what doesn't work now may work in 4 weeks. if you want to learn anything from this site then you will have to learn to use the context of the situation to properly make a decesion. this isn't dope cooking for dummies. if it were that easy then everyone would be trying it. oh yeah almost everyone is. but not alot of them are doing it worth a damn. most of the people here however ARE. now you want some simpleton answers? fine here you go :
how do you dry out these 120's? you don't rrash em and start over. you are fighting a losing battle especialy for someone with your expertise. go get some 60's with ch, or trip. start with those and report back. don't use any cleaning method dated before feb 2004, unless you are using a variant that has updates since feb 2004. want a hint as to where to start finding these methods? ok, look for the following users posts, uncle fester, prepuce, barking burro, scottydog, geezmeister, chemosabe, squidippy, some of these people have info you want. now go get it. and don't pm anyone, it'll get you blacklisted. cheers mate. we're not here to make this easy for you, we're here to teach and learn from each other. but heres the kicker, you kind of have to do it our way, or no way at all. sorry.

oh and dont use colemans, or lighter fluid, use vm&p naptha. its more expenisve, but theres a reason. pure in = pure out, dirty in = dirty out. cheers

12cheman12
(Hive Bee)
07-26-04 05:32
No 521731
      Mate i gave you a hint, if your too lazy to...

Mate i gave you a hint, if your too lazy to look up what i gave you in TFSE then you dont deserve to be apart of this forum. simple.

And BB i beg to differ about your comment.
"THERE IS NO WORKING CURE FOR 120'S AS THE STAND TODAY"
Have you tried a KOH boil or a SPD on the freebase?
Dont give out false info like that, newbees get confused easily.

evilscripter69
(Newbee)
07-26-04 12:29
No 521792
User Picture       12cheman12 . .

SWIM agrees with you there, the 120's here are a mixup, mostly Non Dry Matrix formulations. Our generic red hots(non shiny) are horribly gakked as of recent times,the advantage of 60's is mostly price and pill mass size, huge diffenence in price, For 10$ american you get 3/48 count 60's (generic) and 3/96 count 30's for about 25$, the 60's are nice to pull. IF you want to pay 13$ for a box of 48 30's (no red coating) up to 10 boxes at a time, you may visit certain mexican markets, pills contain lactose, Microcrystalline cellulose,and gypsum,

evilscripter69
(Newbee)
07-26-04 12:37
No 521794
User Picture       back to subject.

why not base the suzy, move into xylene, and titrate (i dont think i am going to recommend you to even try generating hydrogen gas) after titration you can then dry it. but it will probably be gakk of some kind, if its not eudragit, or this funky yellow oil shit, geezmeisters microwave precipitation method works very well. SWIM has had some gakks fall out xylene, leaving a heavy green tint, and nice crystallizd E, but again this might be a bit much to run on 2 grams of E

12cheman12
(Hive Bee)
07-26-04 13:02
No 521796
      Here in oz we got the dogs end of the deal.

Here in oz we got the dogs end of the deal.
$20AUS for one box that contains about 1.8 grams of pseudo.

Limit is 2.2 grams for a box if its pseudo sulfate and 1.8 grams if its pseudo hcl.

Your an individual just like everyone else

evilscripter69
(Newbee)
07-26-04 13:48
No 521800
User Picture       . . and we thought they were expensive,

kind of puts things into perspective,

chonga
(Stranger)
07-26-04 15:43
No 521809
      ok first of all your 120's probably contain...

ok first of all your 120's probably contain poly 80, only luck ive had with this is too put some jap drier in iso naptha mix whats thew inactives?

chonga
(Stranger)
07-26-04 15:49
No 521810
      i think its poly 80

i think its poly 80

NaXen
(Stranger)
07-27-04 00:41
No 521886
      A carafe is one of those glass coffee pots :-D

A carafe is one of those glass coffee pots laugh

HAH! laugh

barkingburro
(Hive Bee)
07-27-04 09:59
No 521962
      ok let me rephrase

in the US there is no currently verified cure for 120's. not KOH not SPD, not anything. perhaps i have missed something, but i'm pretty sure i haven't. i know there are a few works in progress, but nothing confirmed yet. OZ may be an entirely different subject.

p2e3r4f5e6c7t8
(Hive Bee)
07-27-04 14:58
No 521991
      U.S__vs__OZ pill's

Well from what swim has read BB, The pills that all ya all have in the US sound easyer to extract psuedo from crazy
Im only realy geussing when that is said because swip keeps upto date with all these pill extractions espicly since swip lives in OZ. wink
So if OZ bee's can do an extraction with reasonable results then swip cant see why all ya all in the US are having a hard time with some of the pills that US bee's have to deal with, And not to mention that all ya all US bee's can obtain good chemicals and the like alot bloody easyer then OZ bee's can crazy

Ask no question's, and i will tell no lies.

evilscripter69
(Newbee)
07-28-04 01:25
No 522093
User Picture       120's aren't the only ones with PS80

Where SWIE lives red hots as well as most other pills have this crap in them(Polysorbate80)Prepuces ammonia extraction has worked on it, see the Gakinator thread No512919
KOH has worked too, but not consistently so no results will be posted.

barkingburro
(Hive Bee)
08-02-04 12:56
No 523226
      well, i'll tell you what

how about a lil pross continent pill swap and we'll just see how different the pills are. cause i know alot of US bees are damned good at extraction and alot of US bees are stumped at the 120's as of today. if theres something that AU (pronounced 'ewe' for the time being) bees know that all of US bees don't then maybe AU bees should share a little, eh?

Synergetic
(Stranger)
08-03-04 04:13
No 523325
      AU 120mg tabs

The only way swim can get results with 120's is to steam distill. Steam works, why fix something that aint broken!
BB, mix GUPS with equal amount of NaOH, add water and then steam distill for 45-60min. Titrate your distillate and evap for feedstock. Most AU 120mg varieties have been tried, none have failed so far. Expect a 60-80% return.
Failing that, send me a slab of pills and i will do it for you, lmao!! tongue

Submission eases suffering!

lsd
(Stranger)
10-24-04 10:55
No 537456
      Ozzy Pills

Not no more you won't.I used to steam distill and sorry to say it doesn't work on it's own any more, that's why I don't anymore..

lsd
(Stranger)
11-03-04 00:13
No 539282
      Re:Ozzy Pills

I have been using the Ozzie Sulphate pills (der. der.)and have always just steam distilled with great results until approximately 4 weeks ago.This no longer works on it's own. So after trying other peoples suggestions that didn't work, I decided to come back to the hive and study.

As my method had always worked, I figured that I knew all I needed to know. How wrong could I have been!
I hadn't kept up with the times.

Anyway, so I studied the hive some more and tried the KOH. Didn't work for me but he did say Ephedrine so back to the hive. Then we came across the Evilscripter's DRY ACID/BASE method so we had a look.

This is what I've done so far. I live in a remote place so supplies don't come easy so experiments have been small scale.

Don't use caustic anymore, SODA ASH works well instead.
When heating Xylene, DO NOT ALLOW TO BOIL. If you do you will also bring PEG GAK over.
90% of GAK REMOVED!!! (as long as you you didn't boil the xylene).
Will still contain anti recrystalisation GAK.
After reaction, I steam distill the product out (still used caustic here) and then titrate with HCL.Acid and evaporate.
At very end I tried to recrystallise using metho.
Used to work in place of isopropyl, but not anymore.
Seems that the water content reacts with the anticrystallisation GAK which will leave you with a paste/gel looking product that liquify's and must be kept in the freezer to solidify.In Adelaide they call it 'Spag in a bag'.
Still works good though.
Is smokable which I like.
Haven't tried the short path distillation but will try that in the future.

Prepuce
(Hive Bee)
11-04-04 05:39
No 539600
User Picture       dry the not drying

SWIP has had good luck dealing with perpetually damp pfed by rinsing with a 50/50 mixture of tetra and acetone. In his experience if that doesn't solve the problem, you haven't gone nearly far enough with your cleaning efforts prior to pulling the pfed from the pillmass.

PP

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		BlackICE (Stranger) 07-25-04 11:55 No 521521				Not Drying
						Hi guys , can anyone suggest OR tell me what im doing wrong . because for the world I cant dry my Psuedo Ive have tried 2 ways, the first way im doing straight E Extraction standard procedure , on the 120mg's decant with ISO 3 times, threw charmin plug ...I then put it in a pie dish, to let dry. With fan and heat ive tried it. everyway and even just in room temp. i even tried Tetrachloroethylene Perchloroethylene but cant get the decants dry when you surpose to dry under a fan it stays wet, can somone pleas tell me what im doing wrong ,cause i fallow the instructions but cant get passed the third stage..when trying to dry ...I know im going to get Flamed, cause for somme reason, i think i coulndt explain it to you guys ,please have mercy.For those that didnt understand, please just dont answer me i'll understand. I know you Hive bee's are busy, and have better things to do than, tell newbees like my self to UTFSE , cause its already been discussed. i have read and read, but it seems that more i read the more it get confusing..for Eg: some post ive read says, that you can use colemans fuel, and others tell you shouldn't ..which is it.and can you use Dimethyl Ether instead of MEK, and whats a carafe ??? is that some type of coffee filter ?? and Dry Ice is that Dh2o frozen in a ice cube and whenyou do a TETRA and you use brake cleaner and spray inside the flask to soak the pill mass whay and what is that freezers on the side of the flask and after a while if you left for couple of days little rocks form ,now are they good or bad do you decant as normal or because they are solid wash them.,And one last thing ,Ventti premium lighter fluid exstra refined is that Naptha, its manufactured in hollandin, liqiud form and if im not mistaking it writes ANapthpes something like that its in another language as much as i can under stand ...??? if anyone has the time, to answer some of these questions for me ,then this newbee will be very happy, and can move onto next stage. LET IT RAIN BLACK ICE



		12cheman12 (Hive Bee) 07-25-04 12:04 No 521522				all your gonna get here is a USTFE, i didnt...
						all your gonna get here is a USTFE, i didnt even have to read ur post i just read the subject line. Gaks are in a new era these days, those procedures wont work for gaks now. Hint: KOH Boil or Short Path Distillation



		barkingburro (Hive Bee) 07-25-04 12:14 No 521523				hey blackie
						UTSFEing is a great thing, but reading te current threads is also a useful tool. your first mistake is using the 120's. using the search engine can often be frustrating because you are getting bits of information taken out of context. what you should do is e patient and go back and read through a few current threads and keep up with them. and when i say read a thread i mean READIT ALL. every post . you'll get a better feel fr the methods that way. cheers



		BlackICE (Stranger) 07-25-04 13:56 No 521536				Looks like your the one needs to read
						Obviously you guys are more stupid than i am, if you guys read my post Quote :...I know im going to get Flamed, cause for some reason, i think i couldn’t explain it to you guys ,please have mercy. For those that didn’t understand, . , Please don’t respond cause its already been discussed. i have read and read, but [red]...you know if some of you hive bees, stop and think, maybe this newbie aint smart or have the luxuries as other bees and in a different environment having mentally disorder which leaves being handicap than other bees ...im not the one needs to read and UTFSE its you guys need to read im not putting that up cause im lazy ive just got a different way of understanding things its not my fault i was born like that SO PLEASE WHY DONT YOU READ MY POST BETTER AND WHEN YOU COME TO THE BIT PLEASE DO NOT RESPONDE IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND .do me a favor don’t respond if its going to be critisim..the UTFSE aint going to tell me the suggestion I ask for suggestion was weather you can use Coleman fuel ,or not or is it true or not ,I wasn’t asking answers wanted options so I can understand it properly , the hole site contradicts it self a lot, go on one site it say it works, like then couple of pages , they say no don’t do that way its bad ,for what ever I hope you got my point I’ll let you guys have your piece and you leave you wont here from me again on this site. You guys have no idea i about teaching, no wander the fucking hole world is fucking stupid cause when someone ask for help people turn around says over the river there your life jacket across the river just swim across instead on pulling him on his boat with his hand nurturing him across ..I don’t have much time in this god forsaking world so i did allot of reading and it got all confusing for us and having only 3 months I don’t think I want to waist my time here speaking to people that have no idea about life around them peace be with your world …. LET IT RAIN BLACK ICE



		evilscripter69 (Newbee) 07-25-04 14:30 No 521539				Where is the E
						Its not inside a flask is it? If it is take it out, rinse with dry acetone air dry on a glass dish, a light will speed up drying(dont put it too close)



		Ewok_Poacher (Newbee) 07-25-04 14:35 No 521540				gak
						I believe it was geezmiester who had a post about the gak that refuses to dry.



		BlackBmw1 (Stranger) 07-25-04 14:57 No 521546				evilscripter69 im not beeing a smart arse ,or...
						evilscripter69 im not beeing a smart arse ,or disrespectful , but if you read his post up top, he tells you Eg:I then put it in a pie dish, to let dry. With fan and heat ive tried it. everyway and even just in room temp. i even tried Tetrachloroethylene Perchloroethylene but cant get the decants dry when you surpose to dry under a fan it stays wet, can somone pleas tell me what im doing wrong funny you should say that blackice cause i was following (barkingburro) post he did 2 weeks ago given his way and ive come to the same conclusion of blackice ...but never thought that it can be a new wave of Gakk ...after the 3rd decant wand was rerady to dry in pyrex dish still there not dried either ??? I Am A Information Junky.. Knowledge Is Power



		barkingburro (Hive Bee) 07-25-04 16:09 No 521559				actualu since we're on the subject
						ok speaking of rereads, why dont you re-read mine? first point i made is DON'T USE THE 120'S!!!!!! the second point was read up to date threads. there is a reason i told you to do this. if you had read any of these up to date threads you might have learned something, first off THERE IS NO WORKING CURE FOR 120'S AS THE STAND TODAY. now you may have FOUND a cure for them, but go back and look at the dates. why does the site contradict itself? well, heres a news flash : SHIT CHANGES. this means that what worked today may not work in 4 weeksd and what doesn't work now may work in 4 weeks. if you want to learn anything from this site then you will have to learn to use the context of the situation to properly make a decesion. this isn't dope cooking for dummies. if it were that easy then everyone would be trying it. oh yeah almost everyone is. but not alot of them are doing it worth a damn. most of the people here however ARE. now you want some simpleton answers? fine here you go : how do you dry out these 120's? you don't rrash em and start over. you are fighting a losing battle especialy for someone with your expertise. go get some 60's with ch, or trip. start with those and report back. don't use any cleaning method dated before feb 2004, unless you are using a variant that has updates since feb 2004. want a hint as to where to start finding these methods? ok, look for the following users posts, uncle fester, prepuce, barking burro, scottydog, geezmeister, chemosabe, squidippy, some of these people have info you want. now go get it. and don't pm anyone, it'll get you blacklisted. cheers mate. we're not here to make this easy for you, we're here to teach and learn from each other. but heres the kicker, you kind of have to do it our way, or no way at all. sorry. oh and dont use colemans, or lighter fluid, use vm&p naptha. its more expenisve, but theres a reason. pure in = pure out, dirty in = dirty out. cheers



		12cheman12 (Hive Bee) 07-26-04 05:32 No 521731				Mate i gave you a hint, if your too lazy to...
						Mate i gave you a hint, if your too lazy to look up what i gave you in TFSE then you dont deserve to be apart of this forum. simple. And BB i beg to differ about your comment. "THERE IS NO WORKING CURE FOR 120'S AS THE STAND TODAY" Have you tried a KOH boil or a SPD on the freebase? Dont give out false info like that, newbees get confused easily.



		evilscripter69 (Newbee) 07-26-04 12:29 No 521792				12cheman12 . .
						SWIM agrees with you there, the 120's here are a mixup, mostly Non Dry Matrix formulations. Our generic red hots(non shiny) are horribly gakked as of recent times,the advantage of 60's is mostly price and pill mass size, huge diffenence in price, For 10$ american you get 3/48 count 60's (generic) and 3/96 count 30's for about 25$, the 60's are nice to pull. IF you want to pay 13$ for a box of 48 30's (no red coating) up to 10 boxes at a time, you may visit certain mexican markets, pills contain lactose, Microcrystalline cellulose,and gypsum,



		evilscripter69 (Newbee) 07-26-04 12:37 No 521794				back to subject.
						why not base the suzy, move into xylene, and titrate (i dont think i am going to recommend you to even try generating hydrogen gas) after titration you can then dry it. but it will probably be gakk of some kind, if its not eudragit, or this funky yellow oil shit, geezmeisters microwave precipitation method works very well. SWIM has had some gakks fall out xylene, leaving a heavy green tint, and nice crystallizd E, but again this might be a bit much to run on 2 grams of E



		12cheman12 (Hive Bee) 07-26-04 13:02 No 521796				Here in oz we got the dogs end of the deal.
						Here in oz we got the dogs end of the deal. $20AUS for one box that contains about 1.8 grams of pseudo. Limit is 2.2 grams for a box if its pseudo sulfate and 1.8 grams if its pseudo hcl. Your an individual just like everyone else



		evilscripter69 (Newbee) 07-26-04 13:48 No 521800				. . and we thought they were expensive,
						kind of puts things into perspective,



		chonga (Stranger) 07-26-04 15:43 No 521809				ok first of all your 120's probably contain...
						ok first of all your 120's probably contain poly 80, only luck ive had with this is too put some jap drier in iso naptha mix whats thew inactives?



		chonga (Stranger) 07-26-04 15:49 No 521810				i think its poly 80
						i think its poly 80



		NaXen (Stranger) 07-27-04 00:41 No 521886				A carafe is one of those glass coffee pots :-D
						A carafe is one of those glass coffee pots HAH!



		barkingburro (Hive Bee) 07-27-04 09:59 No 521962				ok let me rephrase
						in the US there is no currently verified cure for 120's. not KOH not SPD, not anything. perhaps i have missed something, but i'm pretty sure i haven't. i know there are a few works in progress, but nothing confirmed yet. OZ may be an entirely different subject.



		p2e3r4f5e6c7t8 (Hive Bee) 07-27-04 14:58 No 521991				U.S__vs__OZ pill's
						Well from what swim has read BB, The pills that all ya all have in the US sound easyer to extract psuedo from Im only realy geussing when that is said because swip keeps upto date with all these pill extractions espicly since swip lives in OZ. So if OZ bee's can do an extraction with reasonable results then swip cant see why all ya all in the US are having a hard time with some of the pills that US bee's have to deal with, And not to mention that all ya all US bee's can obtain good chemicals and the like alot bloody easyer then OZ bee's can Ask no question's, and i will tell no lies.



		evilscripter69 (Newbee) 07-28-04 01:25 No 522093				120's aren't the only ones with PS80
						Where SWIE lives red hots as well as most other pills have this crap in them(Polysorbate80)Prepuces ammonia extraction has worked on it, see the Gakinator thread No512919 KOH has worked too, but not consistently so no results will be posted.



		barkingburro (Hive Bee) 08-02-04 12:56 No 523226				well, i'll tell you what
						how about a lil pross continent pill swap and we'll just see how different the pills are. cause i know alot of US bees are damned good at extraction and alot of US bees are stumped at the 120's as of today. if theres something that AU (pronounced 'ewe' for the time being) bees know that all of US bees don't then maybe AU bees should share a little, eh?



		Synergetic (Stranger) 08-03-04 04:13 No 523325				AU 120mg tabs
						The only way swim can get results with 120's is to steam distill. Steam works, why fix something that aint broken! BB, mix GUPS with equal amount of NaOH, add water and then steam distill for 45-60min. Titrate your distillate and evap for feedstock. Most AU 120mg varieties have been tried, none have failed so far. Expect a 60-80% return. Failing that, send me a slab of pills and i will do it for you, lmao!! Submission eases suffering!



		lsd (Stranger) 10-24-04 10:55 No 537456				Ozzy Pills
						Not no more you won't.I used to steam distill and sorry to say it doesn't work on it's own any more, that's why I don't anymore..



		lsd (Stranger) 11-03-04 00:13 No 539282				Re:Ozzy Pills
						I have been using the Ozzie Sulphate pills (der. der.)and have always just steam distilled with great results until approximately 4 weeks ago.This no longer works on it's own. So after trying other peoples suggestions that didn't work, I decided to come back to the hive and study. As my method had always worked, I figured that I knew all I needed to know. How wrong could I have been! I hadn't kept up with the times. Anyway, so I studied the hive some more and tried the KOH. Didn't work for me but he did say Ephedrine so back to the hive. Then we came across the Evilscripter's DRY ACID/BASE method so we had a look. This is what I've done so far. I live in a remote place so supplies don't come easy so experiments have been small scale. Don't use caustic anymore, SODA ASH works well instead. When heating Xylene, DO NOT ALLOW TO BOIL. If you do you will also bring PEG GAK over. 90% of GAK REMOVED!!! (as long as you you didn't boil the xylene). Will still contain anti recrystalisation GAK. After reaction, I steam distill the product out (still used caustic here) and then titrate with HCL.Acid and evaporate. At very end I tried to recrystallise using metho. Used to work in place of isopropyl, but not anymore. Seems that the water content reacts with the anticrystallisation GAK which will leave you with a paste/gel looking product that liquify's and must be kept in the freezer to solidify.In Adelaide they call it 'Spag in a bag'. Still works good though. Is smokable which I like. Haven't tried the short path distillation but will try that in the future.



		Prepuce (Hive Bee) 11-04-04 05:39 No 539600				dry the not drying
						SWIP has had good luck dealing with perpetually damp pfed by rinsing with a 50/50 mixture of tetra and acetone. In his experience if that doesn't solve the problem, you haven't gone nearly far enough with your cleaning efforts prior to pulling the pfed from the pillmass. PP

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