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LoW_JacK
(Hive Martyr)
09-05-04 06:18
No 529645
User Picture       500ml 3-neck flask uses?

What exact role does the 500ml 3-neck flask play in reactions of importance either illicit or legitimate.

I just had to get this 3-neck flask, just because I payed $1.59 + 6.99 shipping for it and it is a cute little piece of craftmanship. But aside from a friggin' waterbong, what are these 3-neckers used for extensively. Cuzz thats all I'm using it for right now. But not why I bought it. 19/22 is exactly the size of the $1.00 1000ml volumeric flask I also got ebay style. So help a mofuggy out?

I know that a stirbar and magnetic stirrer are usually used with them, but why are they used and in what way that makes LE officials look at them like they've got some clandestine connection and thats all they would ever think when seeing a 3-neck flask while on duty or in a search.

It hit killer as fuck for a water bong, but I want to use it for making some kind of ghetto gumbo. Ya'dig?

http://www.dodgeit.com

biotechdude
(Hive Bee)
09-05-04 06:30
No 529646
User Picture       handy

similar multi neck flasks are usually used for small reactions requiring multiple probes eg temp/pH

In a clandestine setting, you could use the centre neck for a reflux column, the side arm fitted with a stopper/thermometer, and the other arm could be stoppered and used to add reagents. Then use for distillation of the end product.

Seems like a nice LWR setup...

moo
(Hive Addict)
09-05-04 06:45
No 529649
      For example

In one neck you put a condenser, in one neck you put an addition funnel and in the middle neck you put a mechanical stirrer. Why? Well, some reactions need such a setup. Sometimes you might want to stopper one of the necks so that you can take samples from the reaction mixture or add portions of some reagent in a powdered form.

The extra necks aren't that useful if you want only to reflux something on a mag stirrer. But there is more to chemistry than RP/I and LWR. wink

_{fear fear hate hate}

ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
09-05-04 18:23
No 529709
User Picture       Traditional Gassing Setups

They're decent for traditional gassing setups where you drip sulphuric onto HCl saturated NaCl with an addition or sep funnel. If you've got any old version of Fester's SOMM there should be a simple diagram for it in there. Are all 3 necks 19/22?

Swim's buddy has a 4 necker with 3 24/40's and a central 34/45. He'd like to get one of those eurostyle three necked flat bottoms.

Here's a quite crude sketch of how a 3 necker might be used in a traditional gassing rig.

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LoW_JacK
(Hive Martyr)
09-11-04 04:19
No 530780
User Picture       Re: Are all 3 necks 19/22? Yep!

Are all 3 necks 19/22?

Yep! I sure as hell aint gonna use it as a gasser. I mandate all gassing equipment must be disposable after each use. That is if I ever was to gas anything that was in need of dry hcl gas. crazy

http://www.dodgeit.com

12cheman12
(Hive Bee)
09-11-04 06:50
No 530808
      Is there something im missing?

Is there something im missing? sulfuric acid is being dropped onto salt... and it states the salt is saturated with hydrochloric acid.
Do you pre soak your salt with HCL before dripping sulfuric onto it? is this the way its done in SOMM?

Your an individual just like everyone else

LoW_JacK
(Hive Martyr)
09-11-04 18:47
No 530898
User Picture       never tried it. Aluminum and muratic with a...

never tried it. Aluminum and muratic with a few gas traps and $2.39 worth of aquarium tubing , using left over H₂O₂ bottles for traps with cotton or paper towel stuffed in there to absorb moisture.

It's a tempramental reaction as a way to gassing and by far cant be the best.....but i've read that you need rock salt and pure sulfuric acid as opposed to battery electolyte replacement acid for this to work...? Right?

http://www.dodgeit.com

KiZaDm
09-12-04 23:56
      si senor
(Rated as: insignificant)

Sedrick
(Stranger)
09-13-04 12:41
No 531140
      Alot of the time it is really only necessary...

Alot of the time it is really only necessary to use two necks. The third neck is not actually essential (depending on what you are doing), it even has the tendancy to annoy me when I dont make use of it. It is used for fancy things such as thermometer adaptor, pH adaptor and Cannula. Spiking the vessel with nitrogen also makes use of this third neck. 500 mL is a good figure to use. Mine is actually 1000mL with 24/29 joints. It does have a slightly manic presence though. Sometimes I feel like I quite literally have the globe in my hands! blush shocked If you are going to be doing multiple gassings consider preparing a stock solution perhaps with some anhydrous MgSO4 added. My Yugoslavian neighbours said it is possible to use conc acid and that gassing really is not what you need to be doing if you can avoid it.

methyl_ethyl
(Guardian)
09-13-04 16:20
No 531154
User Picture       19/22

Are all three necks 19/22?

Quite simply NO. I don't know of any piece of glassware that is only available in a single taper. Not to say that such a piece of glass does not exist, but as far as three neck flasks are concerned they come in many different tapers and the necks themselves can be of different arrangements and shapes.

regards,

m_e

   Unipolar Mania, It's good for life... laugh

abolt
(Hive Addict)
09-14-04 07:03
No 531241
User Picture       Ethyl, I have seen many three necked flasks...

Ethyl, I have seen many three necked flasks that had all the necks the same g/g size.

In fact these are the most common ones, IME.

Where necks are not a uniform size, you will usually find that the centre neck is bigger than the outer 2 in order to acommodate overhead stirrers.

Check here:

http://www.wilmad-labglass.com/group/1149

If this is a problem for matching other glassware, you can simply get adaptors to adjust the neck sizes.

Check here:

http://www.wilmad-labglass.com/group/249

Chemosabe, I have had that diagram psychologically analysed and have come to the conclusion that you are a blood relative of John Wayne Gacy. smile

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/4077/gacy.html

Watch who you're flaming next time, asshole.

methyl_ethyl
(Guardian)
09-15-04 00:38
No 531349
User Picture       Reading Comprehension

Ethyl, I have seen many three necked flasks that had all the necks the same g/g size.

Yeah, so have I, own a few to boot.... I must not have comprehended that post correctly. I read it as "Are all three neck flasks 19/22" i.e. is that the only taper that three neck flasks come in, not "Are all three necks on a three neck flask 19/22". I thought the first was a strange question to be asked. Turns out I just can not comprehend simple english.

I did not intend the post to be a flame by any means, in case someone got the wrong idea wink

In closing if you can dream it you can order it, as far as neck sizes, tapers, arrangement, or what have you, that was my point.

regards,

m_e

   Unipolar Mania, It's good for life... laugh

LoW_JacK
(Hive Martyr)
10-26-04 02:57
No 537831
User Picture       odd...

since this flask is a 19/22 flask, could one fit a 14/20 claisen or a 14/20 stillhead in it?

19/22 ? 14/20??

22 and 20 being what? the length #? or the diameter #?

I often ponder these things.

http://www.dodgeit.com

pyroflatus
(Stranger)
10-26-04 09:46
No 537886
      not interchangeable

LowJack, no, you cannot fit those joints together. Standard joint sizes take the form xx/yy where xx is the diameter of the wide end of the socket/cone, and yy is the length of the joint.
Even when joints of different sizes will mechanically fit together, it's a bad idea to use them like this as it leads to bad seals and stuck jointware.

ApprenticeCook
(Hive Addict)
10-26-04 12:51
No 537904
      one thing i always wonder about is the ...

one thing i always wonder about is the australia vs USA differnece....

we use 19/26 and 24/29 where as the american makers sell 19/22 and 24/40 (?) so i usually wonder if i buy USA stuff if it will be good enough for use with my aus gear....

Doubt it... esp for 24/40 your cone length is nearly double what we use.... but what about 19/26 or 19/22? ok or not? but i guess the american makers will make the size i want if asked....

-AC

Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...

moo
(Hive Addict)
10-26-04 13:31
No 537911
      They will fit, but as the joints are of ...

They will fit, but as the joints are of different lenghts there will always be ground glass surface well exposed to whatever conditions. I wouldn't try such a trick when doing a reaction with hot alkali, the exposed part of the ground glass joint could well get "polished".

You can also buy adapters if you wish to use the US joints with other standards.

_{fear fear hate hate}

biffman
(Hive Bee)
10-27-04 00:39
No 538009
      glass adaptors are the way to go

It is quite amazing how many odd-sized (and often, quite strange-looking) pieces of glassware can be utilized together by using simple ground glass adaptors.
If you do not have the luxury of going into your local scientific glassware supplier to pick out an adaptor try to find another source.
Of course, no one should post any source here at the Hive (and for good reason), but you have the internet at your disposal.
Don't think too hard mmmkay?

LoW_JacK
(Hive Martyr)
10-30-04 16:52
No 538753
User Picture       Are you shitting yourself?

I dont think. Let alone too hard.

http://www.dodgeit.com

Freemind148
(Stranger)
11-08-04 05:44
No 540357
      I had tried getting three-neck flask from...

I had tried getting three-neck flask from local suppliers and it is to my surprise that most of the supplicers that I have locally do make them per order instead of having them on their shelves. Therefore, I guess you could (or at least I could) get the necks with any taper you want. However, it would be a good idea to keep them with the same taper to go along with everything else that you have. The one that I got has all 24/40 joints and I have got everything else with the same joint. But the one that I got has all three necks straight up which may make it difficult to attach other glassware (column, sep funnel, etc) as the room may be limited with this arrangment. I guess my instruction to the supplier was not clear. blush

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		LoW_JacK (Hive Martyr) 09-05-04 06:18 No 529645				500ml 3-neck flask uses?
						What exact role does the 500ml 3-neck flask play in reactions of importance either illicit or legitimate. I just had to get this 3-neck flask, just because I payed $1.59 + 6.99 shipping for it and it is a cute little piece of craftmanship. But aside from a friggin' waterbong, what are these 3-neckers used for extensively. Cuzz thats all I'm using it for right now. But not why I bought it. 19/22 is exactly the size of the $1.00 1000ml volumeric flask I also got ebay style. So help a mofuggy out? I know that a stirbar and magnetic stirrer are usually used with them, but why are they used and in what way that makes LE officials look at them like they've got some clandestine connection and thats all they would ever think when seeing a 3-neck flask while on duty or in a search. It hit killer as fuck for a water bong, but I want to use it for making some kind of ghetto gumbo. Ya'dig? http://www.dodgeit.com



		biotechdude (Hive Bee) 09-05-04 06:30 No 529646				handy
						similar multi neck flasks are usually used for small reactions requiring multiple probes eg temp/pH In a clandestine setting, you could use the centre neck for a reflux column, the side arm fitted with a stopper/thermometer, and the other arm could be stoppered and used to add reagents. Then use for distillation of the end product. Seems like a nice LWR setup...



		moo (Hive Addict) 09-05-04 06:45 No 529649				For example
						In one neck you put a condenser, in one neck you put an addition funnel and in the middle neck you put a mechanical stirrer. Why? Well, some reactions need such a setup. Sometimes you might want to stopper one of the necks so that you can take samples from the reaction mixture or add portions of some reagent in a powdered form. The extra necks aren't that useful if you want only to reflux something on a mag stirrer. But there is more to chemistry than RP/I and LWR. _{fear fear hate hate}



		ChemoSabe (Hive Addict) 09-05-04 18:23 No 529709				Traditional Gassing Setups
						They're decent for traditional gassing setups where you drip sulphuric onto HCl saturated NaCl with an addition or sep funnel. If you've got any old version of Fester's SOMM there should be a simple diagram for it in there. Are all 3 necks 19/22? Swim's buddy has a 4 necker with 3 24/40's and a central 34/45. He'd like to get one of those eurostyle three necked flat bottoms. Here's a quite crude sketch of how a 3 necker might be used in a traditional gassing rig. every year that I now find myself unmarried I claim as a victory



		LoW_JacK (Hive Martyr) 09-11-04 04:19 No 530780				Re: Are all 3 necks 19/22? Yep!
						Are all 3 necks 19/22? Yep! I sure as hell aint gonna use it as a gasser. I mandate all gassing equipment must be disposable after each use. That is if I ever was to gas anything that was in need of dry hcl gas. http://www.dodgeit.com



		12cheman12 (Hive Bee) 09-11-04 06:50 No 530808				Is there something im missing?
						Is there something im missing? sulfuric acid is being dropped onto salt... and it states the salt is saturated with hydrochloric acid. Do you pre soak your salt with HCL before dripping sulfuric onto it? is this the way its done in SOMM? Your an individual just like everyone else



		LoW_JacK (Hive Martyr) 09-11-04 18:47 No 530898				never tried it. Aluminum and muratic with a...
						never tried it. Aluminum and muratic with a few gas traps and $2.39 worth of aquarium tubing , using left over H₂O₂ bottles for traps with cotton or paper towel stuffed in there to absorb moisture. It's a tempramental reaction as a way to gassing and by far cant be the best.....but i've read that you need rock salt and pure sulfuric acid as opposed to battery electolyte replacement acid for this to work...? Right? http://www.dodgeit.com



		KiZaDm 09-12-04 23:56				si senor (Rated as: insignificant)



		Sedrick (Stranger) 09-13-04 12:41 No 531140				Alot of the time it is really only necessary...
						Alot of the time it is really only necessary to use two necks. The third neck is not actually essential (depending on what you are doing), it even has the tendancy to annoy me when I dont make use of it. It is used for fancy things such as thermometer adaptor, pH adaptor and Cannula. Spiking the vessel with nitrogen also makes use of this third neck. 500 mL is a good figure to use. Mine is actually 1000mL with 24/29 joints. It does have a slightly manic presence though. Sometimes I feel like I quite literally have the globe in my hands! If you are going to be doing multiple gassings consider preparing a stock solution perhaps with some anhydrous MgSO4 added. My Yugoslavian neighbours said it is possible to use conc acid and that gassing really is not what you need to be doing if you can avoid it.



		methyl_ethyl (Guardian) 09-13-04 16:20 No 531154				19/22
						Are all three necks 19/22? Quite simply NO. I don't know of any piece of glassware that is only available in a single taper. Not to say that such a piece of glass does not exist, but as far as three neck flasks are concerned they come in many different tapers and the necks themselves can be of different arrangements and shapes. regards, m_e Unipolar Mania, It's good for life...



		abolt (Hive Addict) 09-14-04 07:03 No 531241				Ethyl, I have seen many three necked flasks...
						Ethyl, I have seen many three necked flasks that had all the necks the same g/g size. In fact these are the most common ones, IME. Where necks are not a uniform size, you will usually find that the centre neck is bigger than the outer 2 in order to acommodate overhead stirrers. Check here: http://www.wilmad-labglass.com/group/1149 If this is a problem for matching other glassware, you can simply get adaptors to adjust the neck sizes. Check here: http://www.wilmad-labglass.com/group/249 Chemosabe, I have had that diagram psychologically analysed and have come to the conclusion that you are a blood relative of John Wayne Gacy. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/4077/gacy.html Watch who you're flaming next time, asshole.



		methyl_ethyl (Guardian) 09-15-04 00:38 No 531349				Reading Comprehension
						Ethyl, I have seen many three necked flasks that had all the necks the same g/g size. Yeah, so have I, own a few to boot.... I must not have comprehended that post correctly. I read it as "Are all three neck flasks 19/22" i.e. is that the only taper that three neck flasks come in, not "Are all three necks on a three neck flask 19/22". I thought the first was a strange question to be asked. Turns out I just can not comprehend simple english. I did not intend the post to be a flame by any means, in case someone got the wrong idea In closing if you can dream it you can order it, as far as neck sizes, tapers, arrangement, or what have you, that was my point. regards, m_e Unipolar Mania, It's good for life...



		LoW_JacK (Hive Martyr) 10-26-04 02:57 No 537831				odd...
						since this flask is a 19/22 flask, could one fit a 14/20 claisen or a 14/20 stillhead in it? 19/22 ? 14/20?? 22 and 20 being what? the length #? or the diameter #? I often ponder these things. http://www.dodgeit.com



		pyroflatus (Stranger) 10-26-04 09:46 No 537886				not interchangeable
						LowJack, no, you cannot fit those joints together. Standard joint sizes take the form xx/yy where xx is the diameter of the wide end of the socket/cone, and yy is the length of the joint. Even when joints of different sizes will mechanically fit together, it's a bad idea to use them like this as it leads to bad seals and stuck jointware.



		ApprenticeCook (Hive Addict) 10-26-04 12:51 No 537904				one thing i always wonder about is the ...
						one thing i always wonder about is the australia vs USA differnece.... we use 19/26 and 24/29 where as the american makers sell 19/22 and 24/40 (?) so i usually wonder if i buy USA stuff if it will be good enough for use with my aus gear.... Doubt it... esp for 24/40 your cone length is nearly double what we use.... but what about 19/26 or 19/22? ok or not? but i guess the american makers will make the size i want if asked.... -AC Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...



		moo (Hive Addict) 10-26-04 13:31 No 537911				They will fit, but as the joints are of ...
						They will fit, but as the joints are of different lenghts there will always be ground glass surface well exposed to whatever conditions. I wouldn't try such a trick when doing a reaction with hot alkali, the exposed part of the ground glass joint could well get "polished". You can also buy adapters if you wish to use the US joints with other standards. _{fear fear hate hate}



		biffman (Hive Bee) 10-27-04 00:39 No 538009				glass adaptors are the way to go
						It is quite amazing how many odd-sized (and often, quite strange-looking) pieces of glassware can be utilized together by using simple ground glass adaptors. If you do not have the luxury of going into your local scientific glassware supplier to pick out an adaptor try to find another source. Of course, no one should post any source here at the Hive (and for good reason), but you have the internet at your disposal. Don't think too hard mmmkay?



		LoW_JacK (Hive Martyr) 10-30-04 16:52 No 538753				Are you shitting yourself?
						I dont think. Let alone too hard. http://www.dodgeit.com



		Freemind148 (Stranger) 11-08-04 05:44 No 540357				I had tried getting three-neck flask from...
						I had tried getting three-neck flask from local suppliers and it is to my surprise that most of the supplicers that I have locally do make them per order instead of having them on their shelves. Therefore, I guess you could (or at least I could) get the necks with any taper you want. However, it would be a good idea to keep them with the same taper to go along with everything else that you have. The one that I got has all 24/40 joints and I have got everything else with the same joint. But the one that I got has all three necks straight up which may make it difficult to attach other glassware (column, sep funnel, etc) as the room may be limited with this arrangment. I guess my instruction to the supplier was not clear.

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