Hive General Discourse

	Main Index Search Register Login Who's Online FAQ Links
	Main Index Search Register Login Who's Online FAQ Links

	2 Online, 0 Active		You are not logged in

This is a historical archiveThe forum is read-only. Private information has been removed. It is not possible to login.

	General Discourse

All 20 posts Subject: Heavy elements in illicit Methamphetamine Please login to post Down

Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
04-17-02 20:23
No 298270
User Picture       Heavy elements in illicit Methamphetamine

Trace Elemental Analysis of Illicit Methamphetamines Using Total Reflection X-Ray Fluorescence Spectroscopy [J Health Sci 45, pp 166-171 (1999) in Japanese]

Total reflection X-ray fluorescence spectroscopy (TXRF) was applied to trace elemental analysis of 50 kinds of seized methamphetamines, a half of which had been classified to be pure and the remainder to be impure. As trace elements, Br, Hg, I, Ca, Fe, Cr, Mn, Ni, Cu and Zn were detected. Among them, Br was detected in all samples and its content was distributed between 0.4 ng and 71 ng per 1 mg of methamphetamine HCl and Hg was detected in 8 samples and its content was distributed between 0.8 ng and 9 ng per 1 mg of methamphetamine HCl. Iodine was detected in 8 samples, among which 6 samples also contained Hg. Hg and I were presumed to be derived from synthetic reagents. Iron and other heavy metals would be derived from impurities in synthetic solvents or metal containers through synthetic or smuggling processes. Elements detected in seized methamphetamines are applicable as tracing markers for the ascertainment of clandestine synthetic techniques or places to make illicit methamphetamine salts.

Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
04-18-02 00:23
No 298351
User Picture       Heavy Methals

Red devil lye is far from being USP grade, to mention one thing. And if they per any chance are using the birch, ther could come quite a lot of assorted metals from the gas tubes and buckets they are carrying around the anhydrous ammonia in.

spectralmagic
(Hive Bee)
04-18-02 00:43
No 298367
      Interesting...

So, all of the nasties are in the low parts per million range. Any hope of getting them into the low parts per billion? Or are the solvents & reagents we're likely to be using never going to be that good?

Any reason to worry about the observed levels of Hg, Cr, & Ni? The rest I'm ignoring, presumably my tap water exposes me to higher levels of those...

Edit: Just re-read it, they don't state levels for Cr & Ni, just that they were detectable...
To Bee, or not to Bee... ;-)

Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
04-18-02 00:47
No 298374
User Picture       Hg Meth

If I has an ingestion of mercury due to poorly purified gear that I felt was too much for my well-being, I would first and foremost worry about that excessive meth consuption and not the Hg.

Kitchenmagician
(Hive Bee)
04-18-02 00:56
No 298382
      Hg

Most of the effects of heavy metals, especially Hg are cumulative. The body has a very hard time time getting rid of them and they can cause neuron damage beyond belief. Do a google search on mercury and autism and Prof. Boyd Haley at the University of lexington at Kentucky. He is a pioneer in the research of heavy metal poisonings. Rhodium makes a good point about the containers. I did extensive research on the effects of Hg on the CNS and the results were frightening to say the least. All bees who have had children diagnosed with either Autism, ADD, ADHD, or other developmental delay should look closely at vaccines and the levels of mercury they were exposed too. If anyone wants to discuss some possible remedies for heavy metal exposure, just pm me as I have flown all over the US talking with the experts on the best ways to rid the body of these nasties. It is amazing to see a child diagnosed as Autistic become increasingly normal when they undergo chelation. Also the Univ. at Calgary has a great slide show. It show that the effects of Hg on a neuron as beeing almost identical to that of a neuron of a person diagnosed with alzheimers. Heres a question to ponder, Who gets the flu shot every year? BTW, what is Thimerasol composed of? KM
Special Prayers to our fallen bees and their families :( KM

pandemonium
(Hive Addict)
04-18-02 01:07
No 298388
User Picture       umm, is it Mercury KM?

Yes, and it is also the preservative commonly used in sterile preserved saline, much cheaper than sterile packaged saline for your contact lenses. Yuk, and Beeware.

Aluminum and Alzheimers have some connections too don't they?

Does anyone here know how hard it is for salts of these things to get through the blood brain barrier? Panda is legitimately curious?
The difference between theory and practice is practice...

William_Omblome
(Hive Bee)
04-18-02 01:23
No 298406
User Picture       filters?

is there such a filter that u could filter out those metals in?
Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time

zibarium
(Hive Bee)
04-18-02 01:58
No 298422
      pardon my ignorance, but

where is mercury coming from in an rp/I2 , or a birch meth synth?

is the mercury in the solvents?
the solvent containors?

or is it simply everywhere, including meth?

in the lye?
the acid?

i'm mystified by these findings.

foxy2
(Distinctive Doe)
04-18-02 02:24
No 298440
      mercury

The mercury is SURELY coming from meth made via Al/Hg

No doubt about that, IMHO.
I think some of the "motorcycle enthusiasts" commonly use that route.
Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
04-18-02 02:42
No 298454
User Picture       ppb

I saw a forensic report of MDMA once, where they has sampled the drug on several dozen occasions in europe, and the Hg was always in the ppb - perhaps MDMA chemists are less sloppy than their meth counterparts?

PrimoPyro
(Change my Title Back!)
04-18-02 02:50
No 298459
      MA Vs. MDMA

perhaps MDMA chemists are less sloppy than their meth counterparts?

Oh, most definitely IMHO. No doubt about it.

   PrimoPyro
Vivent Longtemps La Ruche!

Chromic
(Hive Addict)
04-18-02 03:25
No 298473
      MDMA manufacture

I have the sneaking suspicion that most chemists who cook more than 500g per week do not use Al/Hg amalgams...

PrimoPyro
(Change my Title Back!)
04-18-02 03:33
No 298475
      CH?

Are you implying suspicion of using catalytic hydrogenations? If so, I would definitely never argue that.

   PrimoPyro
Vivent Longtemps La Ruche!

Osmium
(Stoni's sexual toy)
04-18-02 07:10
No 298547
User Picture       The Hg comes from the NaOH.

The Hg comes from the NaOH.

Bees, just because it is detectable doesn't mean it is dangerous. Todays analytic procedures can detect incredible small amounts of everything everywhere.
I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.

Kitchenmagician
(Hive Bee)
04-18-02 14:13
No 298659
      Al and alzheimers

Yes, Panda. There is a connection with Al also. It was common practice to intentionally introduce Al into the vaccine composition to make it have a bigger immune response. The Al knocks the piss out of the immune system so the vaccine will have a greater immunizing effect, while sometimes having permanent ill effects on the CNS. To my knowledge, which is a little foggy, they readily cross the blood/brain barrier without any problems. frown KM
Special Prayers to our fallen bees and their families :( KM

SQUIDIPPY
(Hive Addict)
04-18-02 22:35
No 298839
      3M

What, they didn't test for 3M Scotch Guard?? I hear tell that it's everywhere,.........literally.

Sometimes,.... I wake up grumpy.....Other times, I just let her sleep.

Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
04-19-02 00:48
No 298881
User Picture       Al too?

Is there aluminum in vaccines? I know there are quite a few vaccines that contains mercury though: http://www.mercvacalliance.com/

Kitchenmagician
(Hive Bee)
04-19-02 00:52
No 298882
      Yes indeed!

I'll see what I can pull out of my archives on the research. When I was in Atlanta at a CDC meeting to study the effects of Hg in vaccines there was talk and some literature regarding the use of Al for exactly what I said above. I'll see if I can't post some references. KM
Special Prayers to our fallen bees and their families :( KM

Kitchenmagician
(Hive Bee)
04-19-02 01:14
No 298887
      Hg and Al

[http://www.linkny.com/~civitas/page193.html]
[http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/ingredients.htm]
[http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/23/hepatitis_vaccine.htm]
[http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm]
[http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-demyelination.htm]
[http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/may2001/whatsinvax.htm]
These are just a few links. There is a great paper put out by several researchers, entitled. "Autism: A unique form of mercury poisoning". If you could read this it would make your skin crawl. frown If anyone needs information about a child that has an unexplained develpmental delay or autism or whatever, just pm me as I can put you in touch with the experts from around the United States and have even met the famous Andrew Wakefield from over in Rhodium Land. It is a tragedy when the big drug companies knew the risk and continued to harm our children in the name of medicine. mad KM
Special Prayers to our fallen bees and their families :( KM

Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
09-20-04 19:39
No 532360
User Picture       Methamphetamine Heavy Metal Contaminants
(Rated as: good read)

Heavy Metal and Organic Contaminants Associated With Illicit Methamphetamine Production
Brent T. Burton, NIDA Research Monograph, No. 115, pp. 47-59 (1991)

^{The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders}

	https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org	the-hive@erowid.org



Powered by Asmodeus Version 6.14, (c) 2021-2023, Spysoft
Links Erowid Rhodium

	All 20 posts		Subject: Heavy elements in illicit Methamphetamine		Please login to post		Down


		Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-17-02 20:23 No 298270				Heavy elements in illicit Methamphetamine
						Trace Elemental Analysis of Illicit Methamphetamines Using Total Reflection X-Ray Fluorescence Spectroscopy [J Health Sci 45, pp 166-171 (1999) in Japanese] Total reflection X-ray fluorescence spectroscopy (TXRF) was applied to trace elemental analysis of 50 kinds of seized methamphetamines, a half of which had been classified to be pure and the remainder to be impure. As trace elements, Br, Hg, I, Ca, Fe, Cr, Mn, Ni, Cu and Zn were detected. Among them, Br was detected in all samples and its content was distributed between 0.4 ng and 71 ng per 1 mg of methamphetamine HCl and Hg was detected in 8 samples and its content was distributed between 0.8 ng and 9 ng per 1 mg of methamphetamine HCl. Iodine was detected in 8 samples, among which 6 samples also contained Hg. Hg and I were presumed to be derived from synthetic reagents. Iron and other heavy metals would be derived from impurities in synthetic solvents or metal containers through synthetic or smuggling processes. Elements detected in seized methamphetamines are applicable as tracing markers for the ascertainment of clandestine synthetic techniques or places to make illicit methamphetamine salts.



		Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-18-02 00:23 No 298351				Heavy Methals
						Red devil lye is far from being USP grade, to mention one thing. And if they per any chance are using the birch, ther could come quite a lot of assorted metals from the gas tubes and buckets they are carrying around the anhydrous ammonia in.



		spectralmagic (Hive Bee) 04-18-02 00:43 No 298367				Interesting...
						So, all of the nasties are in the low parts per million range. Any hope of getting them into the low parts per billion? Or are the solvents & reagents we're likely to be using never going to be that good? Any reason to worry about the observed levels of Hg, Cr, & Ni? The rest I'm ignoring, presumably my tap water exposes me to higher levels of those... Edit: Just re-read it, they don't state levels for Cr & Ni, just that they were detectable... To Bee, or not to Bee... ;-)



		Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-18-02 00:47 No 298374				Hg Meth
						If I has an ingestion of mercury due to poorly purified gear that I felt was too much for my well-being, I would first and foremost worry about that excessive meth consuption and not the Hg.



		Kitchenmagician (Hive Bee) 04-18-02 00:56 No 298382				Hg
						Most of the effects of heavy metals, especially Hg are cumulative. The body has a very hard time time getting rid of them and they can cause neuron damage beyond belief. Do a google search on mercury and autism and Prof. Boyd Haley at the University of lexington at Kentucky. He is a pioneer in the research of heavy metal poisonings. Rhodium makes a good point about the containers. I did extensive research on the effects of Hg on the CNS and the results were frightening to say the least. All bees who have had children diagnosed with either Autism, ADD, ADHD, or other developmental delay should look closely at vaccines and the levels of mercury they were exposed too. If anyone wants to discuss some possible remedies for heavy metal exposure, just pm me as I have flown all over the US talking with the experts on the best ways to rid the body of these nasties. It is amazing to see a child diagnosed as Autistic become increasingly normal when they undergo chelation. Also the Univ. at Calgary has a great slide show. It show that the effects of Hg on a neuron as beeing almost identical to that of a neuron of a person diagnosed with alzheimers. Heres a question to ponder, Who gets the flu shot every year? BTW, what is Thimerasol composed of? KM Special Prayers to our fallen bees and their families :( KM



		pandemonium (Hive Addict) 04-18-02 01:07 No 298388				umm, is it Mercury KM?
						Yes, and it is also the preservative commonly used in sterile preserved saline, much cheaper than sterile packaged saline for your contact lenses. Yuk, and Beeware. Aluminum and Alzheimers have some connections too don't they? Does anyone here know how hard it is for salts of these things to get through the blood brain barrier? Panda is legitimately curious? The difference between theory and practice is practice...



		William_Omblome (Hive Bee) 04-18-02 01:23 No 298406				filters?
						is there such a filter that u could filter out those metals in? Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time



		zibarium (Hive Bee) 04-18-02 01:58 No 298422				pardon my ignorance, but
						where is mercury coming from in an rp/I2 , or a birch meth synth? is the mercury in the solvents? the solvent containors? or is it simply everywhere, including meth? in the lye? the acid? i'm mystified by these findings.



		foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 04-18-02 02:24 No 298440				mercury
						The mercury is SURELY coming from meth made via Al/Hg No doubt about that, IMHO. I think some of the "motorcycle enthusiasts" commonly use that route. Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety



		Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-18-02 02:42 No 298454				ppb
						I saw a forensic report of MDMA once, where they has sampled the drug on several dozen occasions in europe, and the Hg was always in the ppb - perhaps MDMA chemists are less sloppy than their meth counterparts?



		PrimoPyro (Change my Title Back!) 04-18-02 02:50 No 298459				MA Vs. MDMA
						perhaps MDMA chemists are less sloppy than their meth counterparts? Oh, most definitely IMHO. No doubt about it. PrimoPyro Vivent Longtemps La Ruche!



		Chromic (Hive Addict) 04-18-02 03:25 No 298473				MDMA manufacture
						I have the sneaking suspicion that most chemists who cook more than 500g per week do not use Al/Hg amalgams...



		PrimoPyro (Change my Title Back!) 04-18-02 03:33 No 298475				CH?
						Are you implying suspicion of using catalytic hydrogenations? If so, I would definitely never argue that. PrimoPyro Vivent Longtemps La Ruche!



		Osmium (Stoni's sexual toy) 04-18-02 07:10 No 298547				The Hg comes from the NaOH.
						The Hg comes from the NaOH. Bees, just because it is detectable doesn't mean it is dangerous. Todays analytic procedures can detect incredible small amounts of everything everywhere. I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.



		Kitchenmagician (Hive Bee) 04-18-02 14:13 No 298659				Al and alzheimers
						Yes, Panda. There is a connection with Al also. It was common practice to intentionally introduce Al into the vaccine composition to make it have a bigger immune response. The Al knocks the piss out of the immune system so the vaccine will have a greater immunizing effect, while sometimes having permanent ill effects on the CNS. To my knowledge, which is a little foggy, they readily cross the blood/brain barrier without any problems.KM Special Prayers to our fallen bees and their families :( KM



		SQUIDIPPY (Hive Addict) 04-18-02 22:35 No 298839				3M
						What, they didn't test for 3M Scotch Guard?? I hear tell that it's everywhere,.........literally. Sometimes,.... I wake up grumpy.....Other times, I just let her sleep.



		Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-19-02 00:48 No 298881				Al too?
						Is there aluminum in vaccines? I know there are quite a few vaccines that contains mercury though: http://www.mercvacalliance.com/



		Kitchenmagician (Hive Bee) 04-19-02 00:52 No 298882				Yes indeed!
						I'll see what I can pull out of my archives on the research. When I was in Atlanta at a CDC meeting to study the effects of Hg in vaccines there was talk and some literature regarding the use of Al for exactly what I said above. I'll see if I can't post some references. KM Special Prayers to our fallen bees and their families :( KM



		Kitchenmagician (Hive Bee) 04-19-02 01:14 No 298887				Hg and Al
						[http://www.linkny.com/~civitas/page193.html] [http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/ingredients.htm] [http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/23/hepatitis_vaccine.htm] [http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm] [http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-demyelination.htm] [http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/may2001/whatsinvax.htm] These are just a few links. There is a great paper put out by several researchers, entitled. "Autism: A unique form of mercury poisoning". If you could read this it would make your skin crawl. If anyone needs information about a child that has an unexplained develpmental delay or autism or whatever, just pm me as I can put you in touch with the experts from around the United States and have even met the famous Andrew Wakefield from over in Rhodium Land. It is a tragedy when the big drug companies knew the risk and continued to harm our children in the name of medicine.KM Special Prayers to our fallen bees and their families :( KM



		Rhodium (Chief Bee) 09-20-04 19:39 No 532360				Methamphetamine Heavy Metal Contaminants (Rated as: good read)
						Heavy Metal and Organic Contaminants Associated With Illicit Methamphetamine Production Brent T. Burton, NIDA Research Monograph, No. 115, pp. 47-59 (1991) ^{The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders}

All 20 posts	End of thread	Top