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Belial
(Hive Bee)
02-01-04 06:17
No 485794
      The Beloved Lactone

Ok, So we have the Copper Chromite dehydrogenation of BDO, the semi-completed GABA/Nitrite, but how about some more novel routes to GBL...
The Australian government has recently taken steps to begin to restrict these following chemicals in an effort to fight GHB.

4-HYDROXY-BUTANOIC ACID NITRILE
4-HYDROXYBUTANAL
2-HYDROXYTETRAHYDROFURAN
2-PYRROLIDONE
4-HYDROXY PENTANOIC ACID
4-HYDROXY BUTANOIC ACID LACTONE

Do any of these present a viable starting material?

Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
02-01-04 07:16
No 485799
User Picture       Bad precursors

The first four are only a theoretical hydrolysis or oxidation step away from GHB. I doubt that it would be very easy in practice, as both ends of the molecules will react to varying degree in whatever procedure you use on them. Most of the substances seems to have become regulated from a theoretical standpoint only, as they are generally too expensive, too unstable and/or directly impractical to use as staring material for GHB/GBL.

The latter two are synonyms for 4-Hydroxyvaleric acid and gamma-valerolactone, respectively. More reading on those two substances can be found here: https://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/4-methyl-ghb.html

Edit: I misread the above - the last one is gamma-butyrolactone, not gamma-valerolactone.

^{The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders}

moo
(Hive Bee)
02-01-04 11:47
No 485820
      The latter two are synonyms for ...

The latter two are synonyms for 4-Hydroxyvaleric acid and gamma-valerolactone, respectively.

Isn't 4-hydroxybutanoic acid lactone, in fact, gamma-butyrolactone?

_{fear fear hate hate}

Aurelius
(Active Asperger Archivist)
02-01-04 17:46
No 485854
      Read

Post 439780 (Aurelius: "Compilation on GHB/GBL", Methods Discourse)

why did I bother?

Act quickly or not at all.

fierceness
(Hive Addict)
02-02-04 05:47
No 485991
      the gaba route is so simple, i can't believe...

the gaba route is so simple, i can't believe no one with access to analytical equipment has been able to analyze the product =(

hester18
(Newbee)
02-04-04 05:35
No 486287
      Which gaba to GBL synth...

I am considering doing the gaba to GBL via NaNO2 when i get some lab time, probably not till the summer but I want a final workup from chromic anyways. I have access to GC/MS, NMR and IR but no lab to work in except on vacation. Really sucks the way things work out...unless another bee wanted to mail me the sample? lol
~Hester18

Master_Alchemist
(Stranger)
02-04-04 08:57
No 486309
      GBL supply!

Hehe you poor bastards, bugger making GBL.
Lucky for some ppl GBL can still be bought. wink
$500\2.5L isnt great, but price has gone up since Oz government made it a scheduled precursor frown
Who wants Na-GHB though? Definately not me!

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		Belial (Hive Bee) 02-01-04 06:17 No 485794				The Beloved Lactone
						Ok, So we have the Copper Chromite dehydrogenation of BDO, the semi-completed GABA/Nitrite, but how about some more novel routes to GBL... The Australian government has recently taken steps to begin to restrict these following chemicals in an effort to fight GHB. 4-HYDROXY-BUTANOIC ACID NITRILE 4-HYDROXYBUTANAL 2-HYDROXYTETRAHYDROFURAN 2-PYRROLIDONE 4-HYDROXY PENTANOIC ACID 4-HYDROXY BUTANOIC ACID LACTONE Do any of these present a viable starting material?



		Rhodium (Chief Bee) 02-01-04 07:16 No 485799				Bad precursors
						The first four are only a theoretical hydrolysis or oxidation step away from GHB. I doubt that it would be very easy in practice, as both ends of the molecules will react to varying degree in whatever procedure you use on them. Most of the substances seems to have become regulated from a theoretical standpoint only, as they are generally too expensive, too unstable and/or directly impractical to use as staring material for GHB/GBL. The latter two are synonyms for 4-Hydroxyvaleric acid and gamma-valerolactone, respectively. More reading on those two substances can be found here: https://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/4-methyl-ghb.html Edit: I misread the above - the last one is gamma-butyrolactone, not gamma-valerolactone. ^{The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders}



		moo (Hive Bee) 02-01-04 11:47 No 485820				The latter two are synonyms for ...
						The latter two are synonyms for 4-Hydroxyvaleric acid and gamma-valerolactone, respectively. Isn't 4-hydroxybutanoic acid lactone, in fact, gamma-butyrolactone? _{fear fear hate hate}



		Aurelius (Active Asperger Archivist) 02-01-04 17:46 No 485854				Read
						Post 439780 (Aurelius: "Compilation on GHB/GBL", Methods Discourse) why did I bother? Act quickly or not at all.



		fierceness (Hive Addict) 02-02-04 05:47 No 485991				the gaba route is so simple, i can't believe...
						the gaba route is so simple, i can't believe no one with access to analytical equipment has been able to analyze the product =(



		hester18 (Newbee) 02-04-04 05:35 No 486287				Which gaba to GBL synth...
						I am considering doing the gaba to GBL via NaNO2 when i get some lab time, probably not till the summer but I want a final workup from chromic anyways. I have access to GC/MS, NMR and IR but no lab to work in except on vacation. Really sucks the way things work out...unless another bee wanted to mail me the sample? lol ~Hester18



		Master_Alchemist (Stranger) 02-04-04 08:57 No 486309				GBL supply!
						Hehe you poor bastards, bugger making GBL. Lucky for some ppl GBL can still be bought. $500\2.5L isnt great, but price has gone up since Oz government made it a scheduled precursor Who wants Na-GHB though? Definately not me!

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