Hive General Discourse

	Main Index Search Register Login Who's Online FAQ Links
	Main Index Search Register Login Who's Online FAQ Links

	1 Online, 0 Active		You are not logged in

This is a historical archiveThe forum is read-only. Private information has been removed. It is not possible to login.

	General Discourse

All 5 posts Subject: Tabernanthe Iboga (ibogaine) Please login to post Down

phillyphil79
(Stranger)
03-07-04 16:29
No 493609
      Tabernanthe Iboga (ibogaine)

Who knows much about Tabernanthe Iboga? It is a plant indigenous to Africa with powerful psychoactive properties. It had been found to cure the addictions of heroin addicts, alcoholics, and such with only one dosage. It is supposed to be such an intense trip that you almost have a "spiritual awakening" of the sort that you never want to do drugs again. My question is....had anyone ever used this? And if so....how is the trip? I would hate to use this and it make me not want to expand my mind ever again. I'm looking for feedback from people who have tried it. Thanks....phillyphil79

(my children)...."Why is Daddy talking to himself?".....

Nicodem
(Hive Bee)
03-08-04 12:30
No 493731
      I assume you are asking about the iboga root...

I assume you are asking about the iboga root or plant material and not the alkaloid ibogaine. It’s a very big difference because ingesting plant material slows down the absorption and huge amounts are needed. A researcher questioned some Bwiti initiates about the effects of the eboka root and the answers show that only a half of them had a profound experience.

James W. Fernandez. Tabernathe Iboga: Narcotic ecstasies and the work of the ancestors. Flesh of the Gods (ed. P.T. Furst) 1972.

…[for the initiation] One to three small basketsful may be consumed at this time over an 8- to 24-hour period. This represents an ingestion of between 300 and 100 grams [of the root bark].
…
I also inquired about what was seen in initiation. That is a trickier question and is subject, no doubt, to much secondary elaboration—if there is no reticence. But the high percentage who saw and heard nothing out of the ordinary (23 per cent) is of interest.

Content N.=58 Per Cent
1. Saw nothing and heard nothing. (9) 23%
2. Heard many voices, a great tumult, and recognized the voices of ancestors. (8) 21%
3. Heard and saw various of my ancestors. They walked with me and instructed me on my life in Bwiti and elsewhere. (13) 34%
4. I walked or flew over a long, multicolored road or over many rivers which led me to my ancestors who then took me to the great gods. (8) 21%
_{[In the parenthesis is the number of subjects giving that answer out of the total of 58]}

It is not clear in my interviews whether those who claimed to have no significant experience are also those who became so bilious as to vomit repeatedly and finally withdraw from the initiation. In any case the high percentage of insignificant experiences accounts for the fact that many members have undergone initiation more than once.
There is in Bwiti a remarkable stereotyping of the vision experience in the last category (#4) although as the following examples demonstrate, the stereotyping tends to be true only within the various local traditions.

The author also nicely analyses many aspects of the eboka effects (somatic changes, body perception, visual changes, time perception…) and compares with the similarities and differences with classical hallucinogens. Nice paper indeed.

“The real drug-problem is that we need more and better drugs.” – J. Ott

Urupeh
(Newbee)
03-09-04 14:14
No 493949
      good eXperience

Swim had tried it, whith thc it makes one joint apear like 10, swim mix seeds of another plant that contain the same alkaloids, he smoke it and eat it...the better experience that swim has with ibogaine was mixin it with mushrooms, make your imagination turn into reality, swim had fragments of imagination turn into vivid an long lasting memories, was the first time swim faint in his life, but in that process swim was consious...good eXperience, swim dont quit psycadelics after this, if you seek a overhelming eXperience trie DMT...

paX & luX

phillyphil79
03-09-04 16:16
      DMT?
(Rated as: UTFSE!)

xbnmx
03-10-04 03:55
      No...
(Rated as: insignificant)

	https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org	the-hive@erowid.org



Powdered by Good Vibrations 5.10.1, (c) 2017-2023, Snotty Hackers Associates Europe
Links Erowid Rhodium

	All 5 posts		Subject: Tabernanthe Iboga (ibogaine)		Please login to post		Down


		phillyphil79 (Stranger) 03-07-04 16:29 No 493609				Tabernanthe Iboga (ibogaine)
						Who knows much about Tabernanthe Iboga? It is a plant indigenous to Africa with powerful psychoactive properties. It had been found to cure the addictions of heroin addicts, alcoholics, and such with only one dosage. It is supposed to be such an intense trip that you almost have a "spiritual awakening" of the sort that you never want to do drugs again. My question is....had anyone ever used this? And if so....how is the trip? I would hate to use this and it make me not want to expand my mind ever again. I'm looking for feedback from people who have tried it. Thanks....phillyphil79 (my children)...."Why is Daddy talking to himself?".....



		Nicodem (Hive Bee) 03-08-04 12:30 No 493731				I assume you are asking about the iboga root...
						I assume you are asking about the iboga root or plant material and not the alkaloid ibogaine. It’s a very big difference because ingesting plant material slows down the absorption and huge amounts are needed. A researcher questioned some Bwiti initiates about the effects of the eboka root and the answers show that only a half of them had a profound experience. James W. Fernandez. Tabernathe Iboga: Narcotic ecstasies and the work of the ancestors. Flesh of the Gods (ed. P.T. Furst) 1972. …[for the initiation] One to three small basketsful may be consumed at this time over an 8- to 24-hour period. This represents an ingestion of between 300 and 100 grams [of the root bark]. … I also inquired about what was seen in initiation. That is a trickier question and is subject, no doubt, to much secondary elaboration—if there is no reticence. But the high percentage who saw and heard nothing out of the ordinary (23 per cent) is of interest. Content N.=58 Per Cent 1. Saw nothing and heard nothing. (9) 23% 2. Heard many voices, a great tumult, and recognized the voices of ancestors. (8) 21% 3. Heard and saw various of my ancestors. They walked with me and instructed me on my life in Bwiti and elsewhere. (13) 34% 4. I walked or flew over a long, multicolored road or over many rivers which led me to my ancestors who then took me to the great gods. (8) 21% _{[In the parenthesis is the number of subjects giving that answer out of the total of 58]} It is not clear in my interviews whether those who claimed to have no significant experience are also those who became so bilious as to vomit repeatedly and finally withdraw from the initiation. In any case the high percentage of insignificant experiences accounts for the fact that many members have undergone initiation more than once. There is in Bwiti a remarkable stereotyping of the vision experience in the last category (#4) although as the following examples demonstrate, the stereotyping tends to be true only within the various local traditions. The author also nicely analyses many aspects of the eboka effects (somatic changes, body perception, visual changes, time perception…) and compares with the similarities and differences with classical hallucinogens. Nice paper indeed. “The real drug-problem is that we need more and better drugs.” – J. Ott



		Urupeh (Newbee) 03-09-04 14:14 No 493949				good eXperience
						Swim had tried it, whith thc it makes one joint apear like 10, swim mix seeds of another plant that contain the same alkaloids, he smoke it and eat it...the better experience that swim has with ibogaine was mixin it with mushrooms, make your imagination turn into reality, swim had fragments of imagination turn into vivid an long lasting memories, was the first time swim faint in his life, but in that process swim was consious...good eXperience, swim dont quit psycadelics after this, if you seek a overhelming eXperience trie DMT... paX & luX



		phillyphil79 03-09-04 16:16				DMT? (Rated as: UTFSE!)



		xbnmx 03-10-04 03:55				No... (Rated as: insignificant)

All 5 posts	End of thread	Top