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		sGv (Hive Bee) 03-31-04 05:30 No 498229				Good Stash Spots -
						just wanted some good hideing spots that might go through a raid undetcted just big enough to hide mabey an oz , scale, baggies. any ideas please www.northern-ridaz.com
		Organikum (Wonderful Personality) 03-31-04 07:15 No 498237				Good joke. A good stash spot posted has been...
						Good joke. A good stash spot posted has been the longest time a good stash spot. But a good tip for finding a good spot: Do some brainstorming, you yourself and ask some friends. Make a list. Everything on the list is a BAD spot. Period. Look for some other place. Shareholder of Paranoid Fucks inc.
		geezmeister (Of Counsel) 03-31-04 15:54 No 498305				I thought I knew...
						I thought I knew what a safe stash spot was until federal officers executed a search warrant on my apartment when I was in college. They not only disassembled everything that could be disassembled, they thawed all the frozen food in the refrigerator, pried trim boards loose around doors and windows, took doors off hinges and hinges off doors, scraped cracks between floorboards with a knife, and vacuumed the rugs in the floor. When they left, nothing that could be undone was done, and everything that could be taken apart, was. Nothing was found, aside from a marijuana poster on the wall, because I had been tipped that the warrant was going to be issued. Every place I ever considered  hiding drugs and paraphernalia was searched. They were very thorough, very pissed off, and seemed to enjoy themselves. It took two days to put the place back together. The safest place to stash drugs and paraphernalia is somewhere other than where you live. Orgy's point is well taken, by the way. If I had an excellent hiding place the last place I would want to post it is here, where a law enforcement officer can see it, cut it, and paste it into the notes he will use at the next tactics and methods seminar. Posting your well thought out hiding spot here would be like shooting yourself in the foot. With a shotgun. mostly harmless
		embezzler (Hive Addict) 03-31-04 16:00 No 498308				the odds of law enforcement finding
						anything are incalculable due to the human nature involved. a safe princible is to never have anything in your haouse that you cant afford to be caught with. there are no good hiding places for what you describe. if the police bring a dog then you are fucked and are looking at an attempt to supply charge. they have seen everything before and i mean everything. if they want they will tear up carpets remove wall mounted objects drill through your sofa and plant the damn things there if they find nothing. when swim had anything that he cared about loosing he stored them in the locker in his local gym but that was a while ago    it could all be lost in the event of robbery but you cant get charged with it. any place that you cant be held responsible is a good spot. oh ya the text book procedure for a search it room by room and they start at the walls and work their way in. dont do something stupid like put it in a false electric socket. edit: geez hadnt posted when i was replying everything he said is pretty accurate wanted: witty signature...pm with details
		foxy2 (Fragile ego) 04-02-04 22:33 No 498753				I knew a dealer in college who was busted,...
						I knew a dealer in college who was busted, they took a bunch of his stuff and when they gave him his printer back the hash that was hidden in there was returned with it. http://www.democracynow.org/ - The Exception to the Rulers
		Phlegm (Newbee) 04-04-04 02:55 No 498944				Deemdetermineed: Yoy are absolutely correct...
						Deemdetermineed: Yoy are absolutely correct that burying whatever you want to hide in a nonmetal container is the best way. But what really is depressing is not so much the thought of dying and your goods going to waste; it's being alive and your goods going to waste because you can't find them! As happened to my buddy who couldn't remember exactly where he buried his red phos. He got evicted from his house and so there we are out in what used to be his yard with shovels trying madly to dig up the treasure before his former neighbors  call the owner to come over and chase us off. Never did find it.
		Tdurden969 (Hive Bee) 04-04-04 03:47 No 498950				GPS recievers are cheap and pretty accurate...
						GPS recievers are cheap and pretty accurate nowadays...
		biotechdude (Hive Bee) 04-04-04 09:35 No 498981				Mr Plod
						A few notes - If they bust down your door and are looking for drugs you are pretty much screwed.  The main give-aways is the evidence of frequent access (eg to the crawl-space), or the dogs picking up a scent.  That said, Swix aquaintances use smell proof containers (did someone say talcum powder?), hidden inside not so frequently acessed panels and crevices of machinery, appliances etc that are sealed with those not so common anti-tamper screws.  But hey, a person Swix never knew once had a few g in his cigi packet that the cops took off him (which he asked for back) whilst they raided and searched his lab and left with nothing.  Now THATS a relaxing cigarette... The best way as suggested is to stash offsite or get rid of it moments after bagging it up.
		jsorex (Hive Addict) 04-04-04 18:08 No 499031				What do you think about the idea of using a...
						What do you think about the idea of using a thermos bottle. The kind that you use to keep coffee warm? They are constructed using 3 layers of metal, with one air and one vacuum laer betwen those. IT is hard for me to understand how scent could go through a vacuum. But then there is the fact that you probably cannnot easily completely close the lid, so that nothing escapes. Yet this should be pretty good, depending on what you want to hide. If you wanted to hide a oz of some psychotropic substance, and you put it in such a bottle and closed it with silicone and then totally washed it and burried it under ground, would that work? opinions? Hiding cash is a lot easier. You can put it somewhere else than your house, like a locker at your work, school, places where police wont know (or be able) to get a warrant for and where if somebody else comes across it, they will not dare take it. Couch Addict
		Newton (Hive Bee) 04-04-04 23:03 No 499077				Scent containment
						IT is hard for me to understand how scent could go through a vacuum. Rest assured, it is completely impossible for anything to diffuse into the vacuum layer of a thermos bottle, and then exit through the outer layer (this time against atmospheric pressure). It is also impossible for anything to permeate a metal, glass or plastic layer the thickness of which common drinking bottles, household containers, etc... are made of - in measurable quantities. At least for any molecule larger than hydrogen, or maybe helium. As you have already suspected, the lid is the weak spot. Also contamiantion with the substance on the outer surface of the containment vessel. Sealing the lid with silicone and thorougly cleaning the surface will do the job. Only drawback- bit of a hassle to go digging in the garden any time you like to enjoy a bit of your favourite illegal substance... and the surface of the ground where your goodies are dug could give you away for a few days/weeks after every access...
		hypo (Hive Addict) 04-04-04 23:06 No 499078				...
						> IT is hard for me to understand how scent could go through a vacuum. molecules travel through vacuum just fine. filter(lambda W : W not in 'ILLITERATE','BULLSHIT')
		Fastandbulbous (Newbee) 04-05-04 01:29 No 499101				An additional extra for hiding
						I'm citing this from memory, so I may be incorrect, but I'm sure there are a few substances you can use to hide the smell from your illegal goodies from sniffer dogs. Can't remember where this one came from, but the smell given off by ground coffee is supposed to be enough to confuse sniffer dogs (I doubt this one, but as I remember hearing it somewhere, I thought I'd include it). The one I place most faith in is to wrap the material in cloth that has had a liberal dose of clove oil (it numbs any mucous membrane & the vapour had chance to knock out a dogs sense of smell for a short while). A FOAF told me that they had an encounter with a sniffer dog, but as their bitch was in heat, the sniffer dog couldn't keep it's mind on the job at hand, and the police had to use their "rip everything open" technique (if you consider trashing someones place a technique). Other thought comes to mind... Go to the zoo and get some wolf shit! (lion shit does a good job on domestic cats), or if you have indoor cats, hide it in part of their cat litter (whether you'd want to ingest any drug after it's had contact with a dirty cat litter is a different matter alltogether)
		jsorex (Hive Addict) 04-05-04 01:33 No 499102				I heard that police dogs are trained to sniff...
						I heard that police dogs are trained to sniff coffee because it is so commonly used to smuggle/hide drugs in.
		hester18 (Hive Bee) 04-05-04 02:11 No 499107				I asked about this a little while ago....
						As far as beating the dogs, I know of only one sure way. Activated carbon. As activated carbon has a very large internal molecular area structure that traps almost all organic molecules. This includes the smell(s) from various esters and terps found in marijuana. As far as other drugs im not sure what causes their smells but I would bet activated carbon completely covering the stash would keep it from the dogs. Now finding a hiding spot that the DEA/Pigs wouldnt tear apart is a different task. Good Luck with that. ~Hester18
		biotechdude (Hive Bee) 04-05-04 02:35 No 499112				good idea
						Swix likes the the activated carbon as it 'traps' the odours rather then 'masking' them like coffee and aromatics.  The dogs sense of smell is pretty bloody good that it detects layers and levels of smell; so you'd want to be sure your aromatic is up to the task.  As mentioned, the dogs are trained to alert to strong 'suspicious' smells (like coffee) so smelling like a Nescafe Factory wont fly in most cases... Talcum works to a similar device as activated C in that it is so dense that no smells can ever reach the atmosphere.  Only down side is the messy handling of the powder and having bundles of suspicious white powder hidden round the joint. Lastly, Swix has dreamt of pheromones that mix up the dog and give uncharacteristic behaviour.  But fuck, Swix wouldn't want to go on a 'wolf-poo' hunt in the middle of the night...
		Scottydog (Hive Addict) 04-05-04 03:12 No 499116				Stash
						"and the surface of the ground where your goodies are dug could give you away for a few days/weeks after every access..." Very true, especially in shaded areas, even in the desert. The surface will be dry but the minute it gets dug up, the moisture is brought to the surface and it sticks out like a sore thumb. It is actually best to find a yard/area (offsite) thick with very green grass and break out the sod cutter. A little 1 foot strip can be cut and removed. Then one could bury a PVC pipe full of "whatever" beneath that. With time and proper maintenance, the section of sod will become unnoticeable. There is another one that works but it requires a little plumbing. Refuse/Resist
		jsorex (Hive Addict) 04-05-04 20:31 No 499214				Also you could rub some hash or ashes all...
						Also you could rub some hash or ashes all around the area/your house, that way everything would smell. Then tehy would tare the house to parts though.
		embezzler (Hive Addict) 04-05-04 20:39 No 499216				i heard of people using
						pepper powder to irritate the noses of sniffer dogs so they wouldnt be able to keep up the search. the dogs can only work for about twenty mins at a time befoe they need a break anyway chemically enhanced.
		weedar (Faglord) 04-05-04 20:54 No 499218				heh
						This thread is fun. I don't really think any of the suggestions are VERY feasible, but as long as we are talking semi-novel ideas.. What about using your bong-water several times beefore filling it into a water gun and spraying your entire house? Poyekhali!
		embezzler (Hive Addict) 04-05-04 20:57 No 499219				hahahah
						weedar very funny man i am sure they could charge you for that though but it would be funny i hate the smell of bong water
		geezmeister (Of Counsel) 04-05-04 21:04 No 499222				pot dealer ruse
						A pot dealer friend of mine routinely dried his pot on the filter of his central heat and air unit. He had a filter below, and put the pot in a cloth sack on top of it. While you could detect an odor of marijuana in his house, you could not pinpoint it, which was his theory--- that the dogs who were there would smell it everywhere, but not be able to locate a single source. Since he had never has his place serached for drugs by canines, it is hard to tell if his theory has validity. mostly harmless
		embezzler (Hive Addict) 04-05-04 21:10 No 499226				they sell incense
						that delibrerately smells like cannabis where i come from for pennies never thought of why until now chemically enhanced.
		Organikum (Wonderful Personality) 04-06-04 11:11 No 499329				dogs
						Masking smells does not work. Either the dog is able to recognize the drugs smell through the mask or it will point out the place where the "suspicious" mask is located. They are trained to do so. Jsorex and Geez are right: If EVERYTHING smells a little bit druggy than a dog wont point this out - it cannot speak and tell - the dog seeks for a peak and a well packed bag smells less than a tenth of a gram distributed all over. It is the principle of background noise level. This works and was proven often by crossing certain borders in Europe by train. A word of warning: There is only a limited number of real well trained drug-sniffing dogs and those are in high demand and as told are only able to work 20 minutes then need a rest and two hours a day over all. So mostly the "search" by dogs isnt a real "dog sniffs drugs" thing but something else. What? The usual constellation is one pig leads the dog and you watch him doing so. And another pig stays in the background and he watches YOU. You and your nonverbal behaviour, bodylanguage will give you away. And no. You cannot control it without spending 10 years in monastry in Tibet. So stay in the same room, but someway apart from the action. You will see the dog-pig will try to involve you. If he calls you - go there - answer and leave again. Keep your hands in the pocket or smoke a cigarette. Dont watch the dog. Watch the pig - or the another pig present. Dont look around in the room. (So there is something hidden o9f course). Or you WILL point the pigs there. Thats the way it really works. Soon after the first "drug-dog hype" it came up that the doggies are way overrated. But they had meanwhile discovered how to exploit the myth. Everything double welded into thick PEHD foil (dont forget to wash the first bag and your hands in between!) is almost not to smell by a dog - not at or near a place where the stored drug is also consumed (background noise again). Everything in a jar which is preheated by an hairdryer before putting stuff in and screwing down the lid is safe. (the vacuum sucks molecules in - practically nothing escapes). Wash jar and hands is understood again. For washing use hot water and your favorite hair-shampoo. Any stashspot known to somebody near to you is unsafe per definition. If you really think it would be good somebody can access stuff/money in times of need, for paying a lawyer or helping you in prison time then think this way: - Not one but three spots. (Three is a magic number) - The internet is international. You should be able to find somebody who doesnt know yopur real name, where you exactly live or else. And this person also may live on another continent! Look, if you tell such a person where this spot is it is impossible that it will be abused. Now you can tell a person near you where to reach somebody who knows in bad times. (anonymous - non US based e-mail or else) Again three people who get not only one but all three places - with one password for every places information. (protected rar. files might be useful here). Got the idea? ADDON for the nitpickers: The vacuum principle is practically safe - there are theoretical possibilities that molecules travel against and through underpressure/vacuum. But not in significant amounts. The password protection on compressed rar./zip. files is not good enough for storing information on your own computer - but it is good enough for information given to somebody who cannnot abuse it anyways. It is more thought to keep the file packed and to prevent it getting easily lost by accident. The file MUST NOT contain any information WHAT is hidden - this could endanger the helpful foreigner, only WHERE it is. Use your brain. Not to much. Keep it easy. Shareholder of Paranoid Fucks inc.
		Fastandbulbous (Hive Bee) 04-07-04 03:46 No 499467				dogs and their noses
						After seeing the posts in this thread, I decided to try a little experiment... With a friends co-operation, I tried soaking a bit of cloth in clove oil (well quite a few drops), and then let his dog (labrador/border collie cross) see, then sniff what I was doing (it's a very nosey dog!), the theory being that if clove oil can numb your aching tooth, it should numb a dogs olfactory organ. Then I got a dog biscuit (one of the obviously smelly to humans type) and wrapped it in another piece of cloth. Then I held it in my hand and patted the dogs head. Result- it didn't know I had a biscuit in my hand, and believe me, this dog knows when you've got any type of food on you, even when you've forgotten you have it. I know this wasn't absolute proof, but I don't want to end up on the RSPCA's top ten most wanted list That is right, the Mascara Snake: Fast and bulbous
		zorilla (Newbee) 05-18-04 06:10 No 507856				black pepper
						i know someone who constantly sprinkles black pepper all over the floor.he was raided and the dog found nothing
		honeysolution (Stranger) 05-23-04 16:15 No 509028				What we do in Oz
						Masking with another drug can work: Go to your bong smoking mate (poor dude hasn't upgraded to better drugs yet), and grab a jar full of (used) bong water off him. Put in a spray bottle, and squirt around the place (you may want to burn some incense to make it less disgusting). I know for a fact that it fucks with the sniffer dogs. (They do it over here to fuck up the dogs used in the trains.)
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		ApprenticeCook (Hive Bee) 08-09-04 02:06 No 524344				What we do in Oz Thats what YOU do, the ...
						What we do in Oz Thats what YOU do, the correct title should be 'What I do in Oz'. For one, i hate pot, too much work for a shit high, and the smell of spreading bong water over my entire house then trying to mask the shit with some extra disgusting incense sticks??? ahhh.... no. -AC Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
		mr_pyrex (Head Coach) 08-15-04 00:22 No 525448				Bee careful
						The idea of planting compounds around where dogs might sniff hoping to throw their nose off from that point on...is VERY dangerous and should not be resorted to.  Why you ask?  Because cops are well aware of what the usual criminal is likely to try, I mean they deal with them on a daily basis....they have become experts in human nature.  That being said if they happen to notice a reaction from the dog which is indicative of what might happen if the dog was to accidentally smell say 'clove oil' they will from that point forward consider you public enemy NUMBER 1 and will do anything they have to in the quest to make your life a living hell and put you away for as long as they possibly can.  Remember the dog is considered by most officers a fellow officer....they will take things personally if they feel you have tried to harm one of them or intentionally tried to throw them off.  It is best not to have it present or hidden if present but not 'boobytrapped' unless you feel that you haven't received your fair share of police harassment for the year ;-)  Pyrex out of hiding spots Yeah and if ya don't PAID me well, I won't INFORMANT you of the answers you are seeking ;-)
		LoW_JacK (Hive Martyr) 08-22-04 03:06 No 526699				I know...
						You might be able to stash your dope up your ass and sit on it in the back of the cop car while they pull a ransack on your house. (seriously) I know some inmate friends of mine who use their ass as a stash spot all the time. Every time they go out to work for the jail/farm crew they have someone drive by, and after spotting them and toss out a condom filled with dope. Guess where they stash it. Yep..Up their ass. Lowjack hates rabbits and even when incarcerated never auditioned for the starring role of the kiester bunny in that new energiezer commercial where the fucking rabbit becomes an anal insertive dope fiend who keeps going and going and finally winds up in the bushes with some prisoner placing him inside of his anus. It's a gross one. Seems awful gay to me, and I'm a homophobic mofucker about things entering my rectum. But I bet you could get away with it during a raid. Just be careful not to crack the 1000ml florence flask or the condenser while awaiting their departure from your lab...I mean house. he's got jokes... http://www.dodgeit.com
		Jade (soccer mom) 08-26-04 11:42 No 527468				Paint?
						Colombian Authorities Seize Cocaine Hidden in Paint VOA News 24 Aug 2004, 02:22 UTC     Colombian officials say they have confiscated nearly a ton of cocaine that traffickers had dissolved in cans of house paint destined for Central America. Authorities said Monday that agents discovered the cocaine-laced paint in the port of Cartagena as it was about to be loaded onto a cargo ship. They said the smugglers would have later separated the cocaine from the paint. Officials also tell the Associated Press that suspicious agents sent the paint to a lab for analysis after noticing that paint mixed with cocaine was thicker than that in other cans. The AP report also says no arrests have been made. Colombia is the world's biggest source of cocaine. http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=1D9939AD-7495-47B6-8B41476633B22379 How would they go about separating it? Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
		ChemoSabe (Hive Addict) 08-26-04 12:17 No 527475				Polysorbate 80 Smell
						This may have no relevance but it also might. Swim's buddy has some small flasks into which gunk separated from pills containing the additive polysorbate 80 has been put. Recently he took whiff of one of these flask and it smelled just like house paint. Before it was discovered that polysorbate 80 was the first big gakk to hit OTC pseudoephedrine based medications in 2004 "the new gakk" was rumored to be an acrylic polymer. Probably no connection here but somehow I associatively thought of this stuff. Also in that film Traffic the cartel was going to start importing toys made out of a cocaine containing moldable plastic from which cocaine could be extracted. I think.   Usually those responsoible for "continuity" (research) in big films like that make sure that the ideas of that nature are more than just a little bit plausible. But I'm not necessarily saying that making a cocaine plastic of this sort would actually be so easy. Without the existence of idiots geniuses would simply vaporize into thin air
		12cheman12 (Hive Bee) 08-26-04 14:02 No 527488				Im with you AC, cant stand weed, hate smoking...
						Im with you AC, cant stand weed, hate smoking it, hate the smell of bong filled rooms. And most of all hate being smashed. Cant think straight at all and theres no euphoria feeling at all, not for me anyways. Ive never understood why so many people like it, but then again everyone i meet who smoke on a regular basis (every day) never amounted to much. If you live backed onto a park or something like that you could dig a hole just on the other side of your fence and bury it there. Whos going to be digging holes next to your fence? and if it is found, well its not on your property. Your an individual just like everyone else
		12cheman12 (Hive Bee) 08-27-04 02:45 No 527659				Just came up with a good idea, you know those...
						Just came up with a good idea, you know those vacuum bags. You put your clothes and sheets in there and you attach a vacuum to the one way valve and it sucks out all the air. Wouldnt this be perfect? No doggies will be picking up any smell. Your an individual just like everyone else
		ApprenticeCook (Hive Addict) 08-27-04 05:38 No 527715				its been mentioned several times the very low...
						its been mentioned several times the very low dection limit the dogs can get to... Would you want to trust a cheap vacuum bag on your future? Personally (IMHO) i dont think the bags would hold very well, although the vacuum would suck out lots of vapour, but as for holding well enough to keep dogs from smelling it... dont think so.... Could work, its a good idea but i dont have a drug trained dog hanging around to trial and error without being arrested.... Unfortunatly i dont have any idea of ways to prevent dogs from smelling materials apart from not making yourself availible for them to get the warrant req for such a search.... other than that im out of ideas. -AC Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
		kingsofsleep (Hive Addict) 08-27-04 06:00 No 527733				simple
						Any good stash spots aren't going to be in this thread. caveat emptor
		abolt (Hive Addict) 08-27-04 06:04 No 527736				Bags
						If you have to stick something in a bag that may get past dogs then use those oven basting bags that people use for cooking Chicken and Turkeys. Make sure you use 2 bags and don't let any residue touch the outsides. http://www.geocities.com/torhavn/citizen1.html
		12cheman12 (Hive Bee) 08-29-04 09:22 No 528096				Your right there AC, im just giving ideas,...
						Your right there AC, im just giving ideas, personally i would never even dream about keeping something in my house that would compromise myne, or my familys well being. Your an individual just like everyone else
		Drug_Phreak (Hive Bee) 09-07-04 00:37 No 530015				Sometimes the best stash spots are the ones in
						Sometimes the best stash spots are the ones in plain view. Now, I'm not saying to have a mirror with lines of whatever lying around, but to put illegal substances in places where it seems like something of that nature would fit in. Putting RP in a cayenne, paprika, or powdered chili bottle and then into a spice rack with a lot of other spices looks right. There are even more containers that that could be used for P-fed... same for Crystal. I2 looks like most graphite that I've seen so if you are into drawing then a graphite container is a good place. Have any Bees had problems dissolving their Crystal into a liquor bottle like Fester suggested? SWIDP was thinking about setting up a little mini-bar in their living room and dissolving the Crystal into Everclear... then putting that into a liquor bottle that normally has a strong smell (like 151 or something), but SWIDP was wondering if dogs can smell through glass. I assume they probably could, but wouldn't alcohol (which is not really acting as a masking agent here) that strong mess with the dogs nose? I guess once they are suspicious enough to bring drug dogs to your house there is a 99.9% chance that you'll be getting screwed that day. SWIDP needs to get a damn drug dog so they can test things out! Anyway, SWIDP tries their best not to have any finished product or direct precursors around, which is without a doubt the best thing to do like a lot of other bees have mentioned. Of course if LE really wants to be dicks and they are trying to make that quota I seriously doubt they would have a problem planting something. Crank is part of this complete breakfast.
		mr_pyrex (Head Coach) 09-07-04 07:18 No 530075				Well I would imagine that they are keenly...
						Well I would imagine that they are keenly aware of the idea of dissolving anything into a liquid and then resealing the container.  Anyways if you've gotten to the point of where they have just kicked in your front door...It is already too late! I would imagine that if you have attempted to conceal goodies anywhere onsight...it is just a matter of how soon they will find them...since I don't figure they make surprise visits unless they know for certain that there is something to find and book you on.  Just my guess.  Pyrex out of assumptions ;-) Yeah and if ya don't PAID me well, I won't INFORMANT you of the answers you are seeking ;-)
		Drug_Phreak (Hive Bee) 09-07-04 21:02 No 530169				Have any bees seen those cans of beer, soup,...
						Have any bees seen those cans of beer, soup, and shaving cream etc that can be unscrewed? A lot of the ones I've seen have fake brand names and some of them don't look real enough or you can tell they come apart somehow, but I have seen some that are made from real products and are made so well you cannot tell they come apart. Do any bees that have been raided think these would work? Did it seem like they where checking for things like that? SWIDP was thinking about getting some of these high quality beer cans and lining them with a thick layer of activated charcoal and then stuffing as much Coke as they can in them. The cans would then be placed with the other identical genuine beer cans in the 6 or 12 packs. Do any bees think this would work? If SWIDP does this they will be going through the border since they can get real good deals in this other country. Crank is part of this complete breakfast.
		Osmium (Stoni's sexual toy) 09-07-04 21:42 No 530179				What's up with all these dumb questions?
						Why talk about it in public for all the cops on this planet to see? Why is it so hard to use common sense and just shut the fuck up? What makes people think that activated charcoal is an effective way to cover the smell of drugs? BUSH/CHENEY 2004! After all, it ain't my country! www.american-buddha.com/addict.war.1.htm
		ChemoSabe (Hive Addict) 09-07-04 21:47 No 530182				Enormous Messes
						Sometimes they just take enough stuff to make a conviction. In the one aftermath of a search swim's buddy witnessed mostly incrimitating lab gear was confiscated but plenty of final product and lab gear was also left behind by the detectives. This isn't saying that this is recommended as any sort of strategy beacause there really isn't much strategic about it but the place was such an utter mess _before_ the search that the investigators simply left when they knew they had enough "convictable evidence". united black NASCAR drivers of America
		geezmeister (Of Counsel) 09-07-04 22:00 No 530185				product can hiding spots ---
						I see these products in court all the time, being introduced by the state as proof the guy whose prints were on them probably put the dope in the can. Not a good spot to hide anything. LE is quite hip to these cans. mostly harmless
		MargaretThatcher (Hive Bee) 09-08-04 00:33 No 530224				You can't hide it
						If the boys in blue search your property, you are screwed. If they search your property, you have fucked up. Make sure you don't fuck up. This is simple. There is a similar thread on how to quickly dispose of your lab. Someone suggests the old nugget of throwing it in a pit of thermite (while the cops are breaking in Nato style at 4:00 AM). You can't erase the evidence so quickly and if you try to use thermite, you'll just incriminate yourself and add all the explosives/endangerment related offenses. Basically, don't get caught. This is really simple. If you are caught, you have fucked up badly. Are you, or have you ever been a Liberal? YES / NO
		Drug_Phreak (Hive Bee) 09-09-04 02:11 No 530427				Talking about having a messy place...
						Talking about having a messy place... I remember reading an article in a Loompanics catalog one time and they where talking about not getting busted when the cops raid your place. The author recommended and said he leaves his place in extremely messy conditions... even going so far as to leave condoms and tampons around the house that seem to have been used. He also said that he lets his cats and dogs take a crap all over the place among other revolting things. He then spoke about a raid on his place and said the cops where so disgusted with it that they did everything in a hurry and didn't find anything. Whether this story was true or not I doubt most bees are willing to go to such lengths... I know I wouldn't. Crank is part of this complete breakfast.
		ChemoSabe (Hive Addict) 09-09-04 02:50 No 530435				Rest Assured
						DP wrote .... Whether this story was true or not I doubt most bees are willing to go to such lengths... rest assured that many are already there and beyond. he's either got a lightbulb up his ass or his colon has a brilliant idea
		Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 09-21-04 04:00 No 532434				use a GPS
						Take 4" PVC pipe and cut 18" long. Glue a cap on one end and a threaded cap on the other. The threaded end is Teflon taped after stash has been placed in it.. A post hole digger works well for this type of container and being made of PVC no metal detectors will find them.. Mark the spot with your GPS. Do this in a few different spots..  Trick is to dig the hole on a no moon night. (less dirt to worry about) Before you dig take a garden tool and cut a patch of sodded grass wear your going to dig. Have a sheet layed out to place the dirt into. This way the excess dirt can be disguarded  some wear else. Replace the sod patch when your done... No muss no fuss Tighten Up!  (UH)
		Ascension (Newbee) 09-21-04 09:54 No 532472				The best stash spot is on public property.
						The best stash spot is on public property. Try to find somewhere in public where you can hide it good enough no one will be able to find it unless you knew it was there. This way it cant be traced back to you (unless you leave fingerprints or some other identify marker behind) Sure the risk of a new house being built over the top of your stash spot is always real. But if your smart enough youll find somewhere nice to put it. And the burden it takes off your shoulder is more than enough to compensate for the minute possibility of losing it all. Your an individual just like everyone else.
		ApprenticeCook (Hive Addict) 09-22-04 07:19 No 532652				It looks a bit suss if your going back and...
						It looks a bit suss if your going back and forth from a public place digging a hole spending a few mins and then covering it back up.... Not to mention people being able to see the disturbed ground... And also if its just in a bag or some such a dog can smell it even if its ~1m underground... a person a while back got caught in oz that way on the beach cause the dogs found the stash. -AC Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
		Ascension (Newbee) 09-22-04 12:59 No 532690				Yeah of course, but im talking more of ...
						Yeah of course, but im talking more of something you want to stash for say a couple of weeks or a month. Not your personal use you want to use everyday. Your an individual just like everyone else.
		Artex (Stranger) 09-28-04 16:46 No 533583				Cool Thread
						You guys are really creative. I don't know if that Active Carbon idea works or not. We'll have to test it out. If it doesn't work, I'll let you know.
		ApprenticeCook (Hive Addict) 09-29-04 05:21 No 533720				If it doesn't work, I'll let you know Well you
						If it doesn't work, I'll let you know Well you wont be able to let us know because if it doesnt work they will find your stash.... -AC Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
		MargaretThatcher (Hive Bee) 09-30-04 01:22 No 533815				Communal Areas
						Many years ago when someone lived in a house with some lawyers, they hid their stashes under the carpet in communal areas. This might be a quirk of her Britannic Majesty's law. Are you, or have you ever been a Liberal? YES / NO
		Scottydog (Hive Addict) 09-30-04 01:53 No 533818				Common Areas?
						"Many years ago when someone lived in a house with some lawyers, they hid their stashes under the carpet in communal areas. This might be a quirk of her Britannic Majesty's law. So then, is this a recommendation to euro bees or all bees in general? Communal area, as in "common area" frequently shared by other people, or an area to which others would have common access? In the US, whoever's name is on the lease would most likely get charged. That is what sucks about having roommates. You never know if or when someone else is going to do something stupid enough to bring heat on the residence. It seems as if the tenant always gets burned. Refuse/Resist
		geezmeister (Of Counsel) 09-30-04 15:03 No 533911				using the common areas
						Common areas are those part of the property that are not under the exclusive dominion and control of any one individual, but are instead available for the use of all tenants in common, and often accessible to the public at large. IF you have a common entry and stairwell that serves several apartments, and all tenants use the same stairwell, that is a common area. A laundry room for the use of multiple tenants is another. A common game room is another. The point to the use of the common area is that is precludes the prosecution from relying on the concept of constructive possession to prove guilt. Constructive possession is simply the idea that if an area is under the exclusive dominion and control of one person, anything found in that area is that person's. If contraband is found in an area where several people have access, the dominon and control of any one individual cannot be proved by mere proximity to the substance. Evidence of an individuals' actual control of the contraband is needed to establish possession to convict. This may not hold true where common knowledge and control can be inferred from the circumstances, such as where police stop a car, and discover four people stoned on pot and the odor of pot smoke in the car. The possession in that case is coupled with evidence that all persons knew or should have known of the presence and use of the drug and each in some way had authority to dispose of it at some point. This is not the same as finding the contraband under circumstances which do not in themselves show knowledge of its presence or the ability to control its use or disposition.  If the police discovered an ounce of cocaine under the stairwell of a four-apartment unit, an area to which four tenants had access and to which none had exclusive dominion and control, finding that bag of cocaine would not be sufficient evidence of actual dominion and control to convict any tenant. Evidence that police saw someone put the bag there, a fingerprint on the bag that matched a tenant, or even testimony that one of them put the bag there, or said the bag could be found there... would be evidence of actual dominion and control by a particular tenant. I once had my lab equipment boxed and stored in a building to which five other people had common access. My lease allowed me the use of the common area with these other tenants, and I had a portion of the premises which was for my exclusive use. I kept the lab stored in the common area purposefully, as I was but one of six people who it could have belonged to, and a search of the premises finding it in the area I had leased would have been sufficient to convict me. Storing the lab in the common area and trusting the others not to investigate my crates and boxes gave me plausible deniability of possession of those items. Had the place been searched, I would have made no comment to police at all, knowing that the evidence at trial would be legally insufficient to establish my guilt. mostly harmless
		jsorex (Hive Addict) 09-30-04 16:47 No 533919				what if it could be linked to you by some...
						what if it could be linked to you by some other means, perhaps finger prints or something else. Would that be enough in your scenario; if your prints and nobody elses where present. Surely could be that you just accidently touched some one elses lab gear in your common place. Luckily my areas legislation doesn't see having lab gear as anyhow illegal, or suspicious.
		geezmeister (Of Counsel) 09-30-04 17:02 No 533920				precisely
						That would the evidence needed to convict... something that tied the individual to the contraband. Fingerprints would be good, but are seldom actually found. Catching the individual in possession is the surest way, or course, but you would be surprised by the most common way that possession is proved: admission by the owner. One more reason to not talk to police. If you tell them its yours, its yours. mostly harmless

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