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merbst (Hive Bee) 07-23-04 20:38 No 521167 |
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Research Chemical industry decimated! | ||||||
I'm sure somebody else would have posted this if I hadn't but lets get the ball rolling on the discussion. htt
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Murple (Hive Bee) 07-23-04 21:44 No 521182 |
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Add a 6th supplier to the bust list. | ||||||
Add a 6th supplier to the bust list. http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=3023 If you do some searches on news.google.com with the names of the people and companies listed in that DEA announcement, theres a ton of articles on the situation, including this: http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/072304/new_drugs001.shtml |
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_mu_ (Hive Bee) 07-23-04 22:23 No 521187 |
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Due to my personal beliefs about cognitive and | ||||||
Due to my personal beliefs about cognitive and personal liberties, I believe that those research chemical suppliers who assure that their customers are at least 21 years old, and provide no indication of intent to abuse are doing nothing more than filling a market void, and nothing more immoral than any other business. To quote erowid:
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Murple (Hive Bee) 07-23-04 22:47 No 521194 |
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I think that any company selling chemicals to... | ||||||
I think that any company selling chemicals to any legal age adult (18 in most places) without deception isn't doing anything immoral, regardless of what the customer's intent may be. There's nothing immoral about buying or selling chemicals for use as research material, therapeutic medicines, spiritual aids, or getting-fucked-up-and-waving-glowsticks drugs. Those are all 'cognitive liberties' if you ask me, even if someone is 'abusing' them... thats their choice. Unfortunately, while I may not see such things as immoral, the DEA does... and they're the ones with the handcuffs and the guns. |
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hypo (Hive Addict) 07-23-04 22:48 No 521195 |
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cognitive liberties | ||||||
well, some people's opinion might be colored by the fact that they were customers of said companies. imho cognitive liberty can't mean that everybody is responsible for himself but for nobody else. selling overpriced and dangerous drugs to stupid kids is _not_ ok. and it can't feel good sponsoring people who risk killing dumbfucks for a quick buck. isn't it one of the reasons this site exists - cut the greedy assholes out of the trade? for me at least it is... but it's kind of amusing to identify the rc users. ![]() He always lied while on the earth and now he's lying in it |
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_mu_ (Hive Bee) 07-23-04 23:10 No 521202 |
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Murple: actually, I totally agree with you. | ||||||
Murple: actually, I totally agree with you. I think all 'research chemicals' (including opiods) should be made legal. However, that also means accepting that you'll have quite a number of deaths due to dumbfucks who're too desperate to get high to buy a decent scale. And inevitably, you'll find creeps who'll sell high-potency opiods as phenethylamines. So you'll probably need some quality control. NMR and marquis reagents for the masses. In the meantime, people should at least try to use common sense. And selling 2C-T-whatever to somebody with an email alias named 'ravechick1234' isn't exactly the smartest thing to do, if you pretend to be a serious research chemical company, who is supposed to only sell to 'real' companies. |
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moo (Hive Addict) 07-23-04 23:40 No 521208 |
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It would be more ethical if the company was... | ||||||
It would be more ethical if the company was selling the substances for use with instructions and maybe a few what not to do's. After all, it's obvious the vendors are well aware of how next to all (excluding authorities buying samples maybe) people are going to use them, even if the vendors said otherwise. But that would make their legal position worse, so it's not an option for them. I don't think it is possible to sell these substances and remain ethical under the current legislation. The law sucks but the vendors suck too. fear fear hate hate |
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Trenchcoat 07-24-04 02:19 |
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Well doesn't that just suck ass.
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Vibrating_Lights (Hive Addict) 07-24-04 03:59 No 521252 |
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OUt | ||||||
I just wanted to publicly send my love out to all those who were brought down in this shit. I went to great extreams to protect the operators and spent much time with them. They did our community an invaluble service and have sacraficed their freedom for us. They took care of me when i had nothing and i owe my life to them. THey could have been selling staples. If someone had stapled themself to the wall would it have been their fault... no. Parents will always blame their childrens mistakes on someone else and it it their own arrogance that gets us into the position of opression that we are in currently. ANyone who has anything negative to say about any of them will burn in hell cause they don't know shit. I t is my personal mission in life to destroy the government and this takes it even further. My love goes out to yall VL_ Start thinking more like a chemist and less like a criminal |
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Lestat 07-24-04 04:30 |
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We need more good people, brave men and women...
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PressureCooker 07-24-04 05:40 |
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Well...
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xbnmx (Hive Bee) 07-24-04 07:51 No 521295 |
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WTF? | ||||||
He suffered from large lumps that would periodicaly appear and dissapear on his neck and face? Does this sound like bs to anyone else? |
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GC_MS (Hive Addict) 07-24-04 08:07 No 521297 ![]() |
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RC companies | ||||||
I am reluctant they finally do something about the RC companies problem. However, I truly despise the DEA tactics and argumentations. In April 2002, an 18-year-old male in Hancock, New York died after consuming a chemical obtained from WWW.PONDMAN.NU. A 19-year-old male friend of the decedent later confirmed using similar chemicals obtained from WWW.PONDMAN.NU that resulted in him suffering from seizures, floating spots in his vision, memory lapses, uncontrollable teeth grinding and large lumps that would appear and disappear periodically on his face and neck. A tragedy occurred because of the malconsumption of a certain chemical (or chemicals), and for that reason, the DEA closes down the company. Personally, I regard it only as normal that the supplying company is involved in the investigation of the young man's death. However, this man died two years ago. TWO YEARS AGO... Does it always take that long for the Justice Dpt to come into action? Sounds like Crime Paradise over there. But of course, how can I be that stupid... In the two years that passed by, the company collected a nice database of costumers, which they now all can... That is not bringing Justice, that is power abuse. If I'd be a family member of that young man, I'd sue the DEA for unrightful abuse of his death. His death has nothing to do with it. It's just something very convenient they can add to their dramatic sounding propaganda crap, to hijack the naive readers' minds. The Internet has become the street corner for many drug users and traffickers. Drug pushers who use the Internet will find themselves out of business and behind bars,” Administrator Tandy said. ‘These dealers now enter into the privacy of our own homes to entice and sell destruction to our children veiled under the illusion of being safe and legal. The formulation of analogues is like a drug dealer’s magic trick meant to fool law enforcement. They didn’t fool us and we must educate our children so they are not fooled either. Today’s action will help prevent future deaths and overdoses, and will serve as notice for those dealing in designer drugs and the illegal use of the Internet. Some of the people over there really must have problems with an itching right arm. And for such personality types, the "Bad Law" they created, the "Bad Law" they can conveniently apply in their advantage when it suits them, is of course "Good Law". In one instance, they allow circumvention of the law, and in another, they will close your business down for circumventing the law, even though there is no real foundation to do so. Ah yes, they have an obscure law somewhere they can do with you whatever they want. Sorry, I forgot. And because they don't have the insight their actions will result in, I will help them a little bit. You may sweep all the RC companies from the American territory, the manufacturing laboratories in India and China remain and the demand for drugs on the underground American drug market will be there as well. Billy Bob, a commercially minded drug dealer, will give his friend Xi Wu a call for a 50 kg drum of "glucose". If the "glucose" arrives, Billy Bob can start doing business. Real business... Since the competition of the RC companies is gone, and importing them from China has become much more risky, prices can go up. Billy Bob will drive a new BMW very soon. It would have been nice if they solved the RC company problem, but again, they didn't. Instead, they will make the DEA bank account grow bigger and will only fuel their War on Drugs. Furthermore, it sounded rather troublesome that these RC companies kept customer lists. That was a very stupid thing to do. Aztecunnilingus Maximus |
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hypo (Hive Addict) 07-24-04 08:25 No 521303 |
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lol | ||||||
> Tom Kasper in Santa Barbara, CA hey isn't that the guy of a.d.c/crsb fame? i guess some people never learn... ![]() He always lied while on the earth and now he's lying in it |
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paranoid (Hive Addict) 07-24-04 15:07 No 521344 ![]() |
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"He suffered from large lumps that would... | ||||||
"He suffered from large lumps that would periodicaly appear and dissapear on his neck and face? Does this sound like bs to anyone else? " They're called boils, and are experienced by many people with or without chemical enhancement. 100% Canadian Bullshit |
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Propoxyfiend 07-24-04 16:36 |
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eVil iNside
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_mu_ 07-24-04 16:55 |
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Billy Bob will drive a new BMW very soon.
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crocodile (Stranger) 07-24-04 19:57 No 521384 |
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Tom Kasper & morality | ||||||
Yep... that's him! My jaw dropped when I saw this... Re morality: while the RC vendors may not be angels (far from it I suppose) I still believe there isn't anything immoral or otherwise wrong with what they did. If it wasn't for strange conceptions of "morality" we wouldn't have the WOD ... The idea that you can (and should) protect people from their own stupidity is idiotic in itself... |
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Osmium (Stoni's sexual toy) 07-24-04 21:55 No 521408 ![]() |
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The idea of trying to cash in on still legal... | ||||||
The idea of trying to cash in on still legal compounds and get them illegalized due to your actions isn't very noble. Neither is selling certain compounds to obviously teenager owned email accounts when it is obvious that many of the teen candyass ravers will overdose on them. BUSH/CHENEY 2004! After all, it ain't my country! www.american-buddha.com/addict.war.1.htm |
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IRT_agent 07-25-04 00:11 |
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pot calling the kettle....
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Unobtainium 07-25-04 00:36 |
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it'll happen anyway
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IRT_agent 07-25-04 00:57 |
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Y'r welcome to try.
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paranoid 07-25-04 03:25 |
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"Tata, Darwinian selection at it's ...
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mudeltsigma (Stranger) 07-26-04 19:18 No 521838 |
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DEA Bust Of RC Companies | ||||||
Much of this is probably due to advertising on google, slips of the tongue (and the keyboard) regarding human ingestion, by sellers, and similar stuff. Some of these companies were making $20K/week. How much money does one need? If one is going to do something like this, it should have an alpha and an omega. I would have shut down after the million dollar profit mark. Too bad TK got caught in it. He was very fatsidious about rejecting customers who discussed ingestion and effects, or that used street terms for the chems. If anyone gets out of this, it'll be him. Lawyers are useful to have before problems occur. |
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Blind_Angel (Hive Bee) 07-26-04 22:37 No 521864 ![]() |
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So bad, i actually though that RC were a good... | ||||||
So bad, i actually though that RC were a good thing in some way, yes there was Darwin effect and I approove the use of these substance to darwinate this world. But the real use that i found to this chemical was more to be an alternative, where i am pcp is deep-rooted in the young population, and it get worse every years, las years some was found cut with Comet Cleaner and AJAX (one of my friend actully went to hospital because of Comet). RC was a way for me to educate people to other kind of drug, not neccessarly safer but at lest purer, in the sense that you were more prompt to know what it contain. I also had the habit to never sell RC, giving them to those who wanted to try and following them trough their first trip teaching what i know (so little it was) about them and the "Do and don't" of those new drug. Now i'll have to find another way of getting them. Happy to live in Canada, the land of free. /}/_//\//) /-|/\//¬/=/_ |
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superman (Hive Bee) 07-27-04 04:57 No 521929 |
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i think the bottom line is that in this day... | ||||||
i think the bottom line is that in this day and age drugs should be sold underground. the cage they call 'law' is simply too small and there's no way for a drug user to live a fullfilling life trying to live withing it's boundaries. we must step beyond the bars and make honesty and integrity pinnacle points of our business. i remember a few years back SWIM had these top notch mdma tabs that were diamond shaped, but split into perfect triangles. well someone who was buying from me was selling halves as full e's and making a killing, so i cut him off. period, cost me, but sometimes u have to take a hit for what's right. I hope in my future successes i'll be able to drive the standard of to the top among the people i know, and the people they know. RCs are irresponsibly sold to people with no morals. RC compaines are just irresponsible drug dealers recklessly pushing thier product. sure it should be available, but at least sell it to people you know, not strangers, perhaps then when a few of your friends drop dead you'll feel some remorse |
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Vaaguh (Hive Bee) 07-29-04 02:41 No 522367 ![]() |
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Sales tactics | ||||||
Apparently atleast one of those research chemical operators have been using spam-like techniques to sell their chemicals.
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Murple (Hive Bee) 07-30-04 03:56 No 522622 |
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April Curtis (of RAC) used to pull that on a... | ||||||
April Curtis (of RAC) used to pull that on a Yahoo message forum about research chemicals. She would post messages using made up names saying things like "Hey have you guys heard of RAC? I found them recently and they're really cool!" The reason we know she did this is that one time, while she made up a fake name, she forgot to spoof the email address so the From: line on the post was something like "From: Bob Bogus <aprilcurtis@stupidcrook.com>" I emailed her as polite as I could force myself to be saying that things like that were not cool, and also to try and discourage her from having sponsored links on Google by saying that advertising like that could help make the chemicals illegal and possibly get her investigated. Some quotes from her reply to me...
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GC_MS (SadoHustler) 07-30-04 04:57 No 522637 ![]() |
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RC | ||||||
I hope you made that up... ![]() Anyway, I am curious about the European Union's response towards RC companies in the next future. There's no business like war business |
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Murple (Hive Bee) 07-30-04 05:45 No 522648 |
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Unfortunately, no. There's lots of potentially | ||||||
Unfortunately, no. There's lots of potentially interesting chemicals I haven't tried, but with some of the crap I've seen coming out in the court records and newspaper stories after the Web Tryp raids... I'm really glad that I've mostly just been an observer of that scene the last few years and didn't order anything from folks like RAC and ACS. I'm also really pissed about the drug laws in this country. This is what happens when you force things underground. You eventually put control of the market into the hands of sleazy exploitative people. In a world without a drug war, I doubt very much you'd have people spamming forums under made up names to try selling overpriced experimental chemicals. Most people looking for drugs would probably stick with standard things like MDMA or mushrooms, and whatever experimentals market existed would probably have a high level of professionalism. Instead, we get jerkoffs pulling antics like this. |
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Trenchcoat (Hive Bee) 07-30-04 08:17 No 522674 ![]() |
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Re: Her assets must have been seized because... | ||||||
This woman makes herself out to be so smart and she didn't have a lawyer on retainer? I would love to write a letter to her after she's sentenced.
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GC_MS (SadoHustler) 07-30-04 09:55 No 522685 ![]() |
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RAC | ||||||
As far as I know, RAC also put advertisements in certain magazines. * RAC RESEARCH * The industry leader in research chemicals 5-MeO-DMT 5-MeO-AMT 5-MeO-DPT 4-AcO-DET 4-AcO-MiPT 4-AcO-DiPT 4-HO-DiPT 4-HO-MiPT 4-HO-DET 2C-D 2C-E 2C-I 2C-N 2C-T-2 2C-T-21 DPT DiPT www.racresearch.com overnight and Saturday deliveries * 10% discount when mentioning this ad There's no business like war business |
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Barium (Heavyweight Chempion(eer)) 07-30-04 13:31 No 522704 |
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Jeez | ||||||
No GC, I don't believe for a second that Murple made that e-mail correspondance up. I'm certain that those vendors really are that stupid. For some reason I just start giggling as soon as I read anthing about this operation Web Tryp. *giggle* What kind of severe stupidity do you have to be blessed with not to see the analogue act be immediately applicable of the products those vedors sold, despite their lame-ass disclaimers? ![]() Severe Aztecoholic and President of Sooty's fanclub - Sooty for President!! |
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paranoid (Hive Addict) 07-31-04 03:31 No 522844 ![]() |
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You are the weakest link. GOODBYE!!! | ||||||
"You are the weakest link. GOODBYE!!!" If this is the best one liner (mentioned twice) she could come up with, it's no wonder she was too stupid and naive to realise the shit she was wallowing in. I truly feel no remorse for someone this removed from reality due to their ego and paycheck. While I obviously believe that those chemicals should indeed be legal to sell, she is certainly reaping what she paid others menially to sow. Not an industry someone can afford to be so nonchalant in, nevermind downright foolish. 100% Canadian Bullshit |
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jacob019 (Hive Bee) 07-31-04 07:32 No 522892 |
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Future of research chems | ||||||
Is anyone aware of any of these companies still operating? No names please. It's sad that these drugs are snuffed out so easily when drugs like cocaine and meth can be found anywhere. If a buffet of psycadellics were available maybe addicts would find less dangerous ways of getting high and get it out of their systems. |
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weedar (Gaylord) 07-31-04 09:04 No 522901 ![]() |
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future as street drugs? | ||||||
We all know that 5-meo-amt and other RCs have been found "on the street", but only beecause some "smart" people bought a shitload from RC suppliers. What will happen now, will any of the RCs beecome regular street drugs without these suppliers? Thoughts? You'll never get to heaven if you're scared of getting high |
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_mu_ (Hive Bee) 07-31-04 09:10 No 522903 |
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Oh, I think that you'll certainly find them as pills; if a clandestine chemist can't get his hands on safrole, but finds that 1,4-dimethoxybenzene is within his reach, why not make some 2C-something, and press that in pills? Most likely, his customers don't really care about the difference. As long as you get fucked up. |
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meme (Hive Bee) 08-01-04 08:00 No 523045 |
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5meo-amt connects raidered RC | ||||||
I've been told by a good, long-term friend/ owner of a company that was not raided, that all of them were raided because they sold 5meo-amt, which was responsible for the overdoses mentioned. I don't have confirmation of this, though; it seemed worth mentioning. It seems to me what was really objectional was the "sponsered link in google (etc)" effect. "shulgin" "di methyl tryptamine" . . . there was no end of keywords that you could use!! One company still had a sponsered link for amt and 5meo dipt!! The legal end is not over, though. ACS still has their page up; obviously no resttraining order has been effected yet. There is also a difficult case to prove, has the analogue act ever been tried successfully? Anyone know? |
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xbnmx (Hive Bee) 08-01-04 09:23 No 523058 |
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GC_MS, what magazines did RAC advertise in? And yes, the analog act has been tested. A few years back a guy got a sentence for selling AET and also caused the drug to be scheduled (this was his second time in court for selling the chemical, from Sigma-Aldrich, as ecstacy). |
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moo (Hive Addict) 08-01-04 14:30 No 523089 |
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The case discussed in TIHKAL | ||||||
You must mean the AET case that is mentioned in TIHKAL under the entry for AET. (http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal11.shtml) If your read through you can find out that in fact the guy selling AET didn't get sentenced but AET still got scheduled. If the act has been tested, it has been a different case. fear fear hate hate |
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Murple (Hive Bee) 08-03-04 06:13 No 523344 |
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There have been several convictions under the... | ||||||
There have been several convictions under the federal analogue law, such as the Norfolk cases and one other 5-MeO-DIPT case. There apparantly have also been some convictions under state analogue laws but I dont know any details. |
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Protium (Hive Bee) 08-04-04 00:00 No 523495 ![]() |
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Kasper | ||||||
Damnit! If you ever read this man know that you got my sympathies. Get yourself lawyered up and fight it out. Does anyone know what kind of time these guys could be facing? Omega and RAC were my two best suppliers back in the day. Pr(+)tium |
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Osmium (Stoni's sexual toy) 08-04-04 00:44 No 523500 ![]() |
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> Does anyone know what kind of time these... | ||||||
> Does anyone know what kind of time these guys could be facing? Considering that he is a fucking repeat offender who had already thrown the book at him with his CRSB business, had federal charges for attacking flight attendands, pouring coffee over them and threatening to open the emergency doors on a domestic flight, had his bail revoked for threatening a co-defendant in the past and god only knows what else he sounds like the prime candidate for California's three strike law. BUSH/CHENEY 2004! After all, it ain't my country! www.american-buddha.com/addict.war.1.htm |
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Murple (Hive Bee) 08-05-04 00:26 No 523707 |
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My guess is some will face LONG sentences. David Linder (aka Pondman aka Dr. Benway) has had multiple drug busts going back to the 1970s, including busts for amphetamines, MDA, and various GHB relatives. He's also mixed up with the Norfolk tryptamine busts, and to top it off, someone died from a product (or more likely two products combined based on news reports) that was purchased from Alternative Entropy. IAP's owner Michael Burton likely will also face lots of time due to the death associated with his products. Media reports quote prosecutors as saying he could face 24 years to life. Tom Kasper will probably face a long term as well due to having priors (though not drug related) and due to the fact that they're still upset they could never pin drug charges on him for CRSB. The RAC people, who arguably most deserve to be in prison (for dishonesty, not for drugs) probably face the least time since they dont seem to have priors or deaths. They did however have the highest volume of sales of the companies busted, and that could work against them in sentencing. |
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sushitake (Hive Bee) 09-03-04 07:44 No 529298 |
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compounds isolated like msg are neuro-active, so where is this all going to end? a complete banning of natural and synthetic chemicals that are analogous to either illicit compounds or controlled drugs, or watched compounds or compounds considered ananlouges thereof? I dont think this is going to be the end all of people buying research chemicals, as a matter of fact MOST of the resesarch chemical supply companys are in business and sweating nothing. I think this is more of an election campaign swipe folks........well see. opiophile |
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Captain_America (Hive Bee) 09-03-04 10:41 No 529323 |
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From now aditional psychedelic compounds are not getting scheduled as fast. Luckily RC never got the chance to put their filthy hands on the 3,4,5 substitution pattern, in which a number of very interesting compounds remain legal and hopefully will for a long time. Yes, it would be interesting to see how the EU Prohibition Church will deal with this in the future. |
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Murple (Hive Bee) 09-04-04 06:19 No 529518 |
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I keep hearing people say this was an election | ||||||
I keep hearing people say this was an election year publicity stunt... but come on, Web Tryp didnt even show up at drug news/activist places like MAPS or Cognitive Liberty, much less in the mainstream media. This had nothing to do with publicity, it was to stop the market... and I dont think that its over. There will be more raids if companies try to keep selling these things, I'm sure of it. |
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tk421 (Hive Bee) 09-06-04 22:39 No 529986 |
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synthesized or resold? | ||||||
In at least one news report, I read that the RC suppliers were reselling chemicals from India or China. However, they claimed to make the chems themselves. Does anybody know more about the background of this? |
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Barium (Heavyweight Chempion(eer)) 09-07-04 01:12 No 530019 |
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No way those toilet residues would have been capable of synthesizing their own products. Did you ever see their websites? They were in many cases not even capable of spelling the names correct. All the so called RC's were bought in either China or India, mostly China. It started with one Chinese company in particular. Then a few others started offering the same products. Now it seems the Chinese government has told them to stop that or it's a bullet in the neck. India still sells though. Still a severe Aztecoholic |
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Re: keep hearing people say this was an ... | ||||||
I think it's like this: the DEA has way bigger things to do than go after RC companies most of the time. More people die each day from crack or heroin than have ever died on the whole rainbow of research chemicals (have there been a dozen yet?). But that's not to say they can let people go willy-nilly establishing businesses that run for years and years and pull in major money. Yayo, dope, and speed have so much more money involved around them and cause so many more social, health, and crime problems that they can afford people experimenting with exotic tryptamines and phenethylamines. The track record of those drugs are pretty good and the RCs are the only ones making major money off them except for the occasional entrapreneurial idiot who presses, say, 5-MeO-aMT into tablets and sells them as "microdots" or "mescaline barrels". Does everyone remember JLF? This was the first major bust since way back then that I recall. Fuck, it's like being in jail. Expect shakedowns once in a while. They'll take your chess board made out of toilet paper mache but you'll be able to get another one in a few days.
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Captain_America (Hive Bee) 09-07-04 08:53 No 530087 |
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Did you ever see their websites? | ||||||
Did you ever see their websites? Funny you mention that. I remember one of these pages. Full of american flags and other nationalistic crap. I couldn't belive the guy was selling psychedelics, it looked like DEA and KKK pages combined. |
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Murple (Hive Bee) 09-07-04 23:29 No 530208 |
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jsorex (Hive Addict) 10-21-04 20:31 No 537006 |
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hey, erowid says that the DEA actaully took... | ||||||
hey, erowid says that the DEA actaully took the paragrapgh about the guy suffering of "lumps" out of the final report after the person himself contacted them and told said that they were misquoting him. here: http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/research_chems/research_chems_info1.shtml ![]() |
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Once upon a time | ||||||
Long, long ago, in the distant past(early 80's), Firms like Aldrich and Fluka would do business with you as long as you made the right noises. When their labels stated minimum assay 98.5%, you knew somebody had actually carried out an assay on it, and not just written down the first number that came into their head. God bless 'em, thanks to them, I got my first taste of AMT in the mid 80's. I don't think they're quite as accomodating these days! That is right, the Mascara Snake: Fast and bulbous |
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Murple (Hive Bee) 10-23-04 02:22 No 537244 |
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The Erowid page seems to say the chronic ... | ||||||
The Erowid page seems to say the chronic seizure mention was taken out by the DEA, not the lumps. |
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