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phenethyl_man
(Newbee)
10-05-04 03:50
No 534485
      vanillin -> TMA-2

I don't believe I have seen this reaction scheme discussed on here before, but it seems like an easy route to TMA-2 using an easily accessible precursor.

Search for "2-methoxyhydroquinone" gave one article posted by Rhodium that follows a similar route, however the hydroquinone rather than an aldehyde is dimethylated and it is never formylated.

a. Dakin reaction on vanillin yields 2-methoxyhydroquinone. I believe H2O2 under alkaline conditions will accomplish this.

b. Your choice of a phenolic ortho-formylation on 2-methoxyhydroquinone yields 2,5-dihydroxy-4-methoxybenzaldehyde.

c. Dimethylation w/DMS yields Asaronaldehyde [2,4,5-trimethoxybenzaldehyde]; plenty of representative procedures of this on rhodium.ws.

I shouldn't have to explain how to get to the target compound from there. Anyone see any potential problems here?

- phenethylman -

Saddam_Hussein
(Hive Bee)
10-05-04 05:55
No 534498
User Picture       asaraldehyde

First, you have to subject vanillin to a Dakin reaction (H2O2/NaOH), followed by methylation of the resulting phenol. 1,2,4-Trimethoxybenzene is extracted and subsequently purified by distillation, followed by Vilmeier-Haack formylation (DMF). Total yield from vanillin is 40-50%.

You could also use TFSE.

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Captain_America
(Über-Führer die Ironie)
10-05-04 08:41
No 534510
      For TMA-2 and sisters

Nah, simply methylate vanillin, brominate and do a methoxid swap and you'll have the asaraldehyde...

Post 214369 (foxy2: "2 Bromination of 3,4-dimethoxybenzaldehyde", Chemistry Discourse) in methanol
Post 214376 (foxy2: "Re: 2 Bromination of 3,4-dimethoxybenzaldehyde", Chemistry Discourse) in chloroform

For 2C-T and Alephs from vanillin it might bee better to make the 6-bromovanillin a la Post 529398 (Captain_America: "5-Bromo-4-formyl-2-methoxyphenol", Novel Discourse) then swap with the methoxid and transform the -OH on para to S-R by tosylation/mesylation followed by mercaptan swap... It would of bee a nice shortcut to make the 4-alkylthio vanillin following the same strategy and then go from there, but I don't know if it would give good yields in bromination step to come, if so, then good - there is no reason going via acetoxy ester. Alternative solution would bee using a nice oxidative iodination method found by Kinetic that works on less activated substrates (maybee on 4-alkylthio-vanillin), Post 518568 (Kinetic: "Iodination of arenes with KI and H2O2", Chemistry Discourse) very simple, high-yielding and perfectly OTC, good find Kinetic. smile

phenethyl_man
(Newbee)
10-06-04 00:26
No 534603
      Re: First, you have to subject vanillin to a...

First, you have to subject vanillin to a Dakin reaction (H2O2/NaOH), followed by methylation of the resulting phenol. 1,2,4-Trimethoxybenzene is extracted and subsequently purified by distillation, followed by Vilmeier-Haack formylation (DMF). Total yield from vanillin is 40-50%.

Yes, I know about the Vilsmeier-Haack formylation. The idea was to be able to use a phenolic formylation by methylating last since I don't have any POCl3 or other toxic alternative, and the Gattermann formylation seems like a nice way to poison myself. The cost to have DMS shipped by truck freight already has SWIM's funding for this project running quite low.

The route suggested by Captain_America which I had forgotten about seems viable although I guess I will have to synth some NaOMe.

- phenethylman -

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		phenethyl_man (Newbee) 10-05-04 03:50 No 534485				vanillin -> TMA-2
						I don't believe I have seen this reaction scheme discussed on here before, but it seems like an easy route to TMA-2 using an easily accessible precursor. Search for "2-methoxyhydroquinone" gave one article posted by Rhodium that follows a similar route, however the hydroquinone rather than an aldehyde is dimethylated and it is never formylated. a. Dakin reaction on vanillin yields 2-methoxyhydroquinone. I believe H2O2 under alkaline conditions will accomplish this. b. Your choice of a phenolic ortho-formylation on 2-methoxyhydroquinone yields 2,5-dihydroxy-4-methoxybenzaldehyde. c. Dimethylation w/DMS yields Asaronaldehyde [2,4,5-trimethoxybenzaldehyde]; plenty of representative procedures of this on rhodium.ws. I shouldn't have to explain how to get to the target compound from there. Anyone see any potential problems here? - phenethylman -



		Saddam_Hussein (Hive Bee) 10-05-04 05:55 No 534498				asaraldehyde
						First, you have to subject vanillin to a Dakin reaction (H2O2/NaOH), followed by methylation of the resulting phenol. 1,2,4-Trimethoxybenzene is extracted and subsequently purified by distillation, followed by Vilmeier-Haack formylation (DMF). Total yield from vanillin is 40-50%. You could also use TFSE. President of the Iraqi Chemical Weapons of Mass Destruction Development Society



		Captain_America (Über-Führer die Ironie) 10-05-04 08:41 No 534510				For TMA-2 and sisters
						Nah, simply methylate vanillin, brominate and do a methoxid swap and you'll have the asaraldehyde... Post 214369 (foxy2: "2 Bromination of 3,4-dimethoxybenzaldehyde", Chemistry Discourse) in methanol Post 214376 (foxy2: "Re: 2 Bromination of 3,4-dimethoxybenzaldehyde", Chemistry Discourse) in chloroform For 2C-T and Alephs from vanillin it might bee better to make the 6-bromovanillin a la Post 529398 (Captain_America: "5-Bromo-4-formyl-2-methoxyphenol", Novel Discourse) then swap with the methoxid and transform the -OH on para to S-R by tosylation/mesylation followed by mercaptan swap... It would of bee a nice shortcut to make the 4-alkylthio vanillin following the same strategy and then go from there, but I don't know if it would give good yields in bromination step to come, if so, then good - there is no reason going via acetoxy ester. Alternative solution would bee using a nice oxidative iodination method found by Kinetic that works on less activated substrates (maybee on 4-alkylthio-vanillin), Post 518568 (Kinetic: "Iodination of arenes with KI and H2O2", Chemistry Discourse) very simple, high-yielding and perfectly OTC, good find Kinetic.



		phenethyl_man (Newbee) 10-06-04 00:26 No 534603				Re: First, you have to subject vanillin to a...
						First, you have to subject vanillin to a Dakin reaction (H2O2/NaOH), followed by methylation of the resulting phenol. 1,2,4-Trimethoxybenzene is extracted and subsequently purified by distillation, followed by Vilmeier-Haack formylation (DMF). Total yield from vanillin is 40-50%. Yes, I know about the Vilsmeier-Haack formylation. The idea was to be able to use a phenolic formylation by methylating last since I don't have any POCl3 or other toxic alternative, and the Gattermann formylation seems like a nice way to poison myself. The cost to have DMS shipped by truck freight already has SWIM's funding for this project running quite low. The route suggested by Captain_America which I had forgotten about seems viable although I guess I will have to synth some NaOMe. - phenethylman -

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