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Lestat
(Hive Bee)
10-23-04 03:11
No 537250
User Picture       Quick opinion needed as to drying large amanita

Hey beez, SWIM was just wondering, he hasn't the inclination really if not nescessary to cook this to dryness in the oven, and was wondering if simply placing it in the airstream of a VERY hot air heater would prove sufficient for decarboxylation of the ibotenic acid to occur?

The heater is a good one, and will make the whole room resemble a blast furnace in about five minutes of use, so do you think it would work for doing the bees-iness with this little beauty?

Over unity and rivers of blood for all!

Lestat
(Hive Bee)
10-23-04 04:55
No 537260
User Picture       SWIM has peeled the cap, and is drying the...

SWIM has peeled the cap, and is drying the surface skin now, the cap itself is in front of the heater.

SWIM has settled on a method pf preparation, the mushroom shall be dried, and then a thin soup is going to be prepared for SWIM and his friend that has volunteered to partake, using thin pieces of the dried mushroom, simmered slowly with some thin rice hair noodles, and a beef bouillion cube, with maybe a few small shreds of meat to add some character to the dish.

The dried cap skin is going to eaten as crispy amanita-chips, and the whole shared in two equal portions between SWIM and his friend on a previously fasted stomach with a few ready made joints of some good purple haze to combat any possible nausea and potentiate the amanita.

The setting will most likely bee a nearby large woodland, which should make for a quite enjoyable afternoon for SWIM.

I will ask SWIM how his experience went and post it here, upon its completion

Over unity and rivers of blood for all!

fnord
(Hive Bee)
10-23-04 19:39
No 537322
User Picture       amanitas

me and a friend driend up like 4-5 milk crates full of aminatias and messed them all up somehow i think the amount of heat used may of destroyed the active chemicals in it but ive also heard that a certain amount of heat changes the ibotonic to musicomal? but dont take my word for it id look it up

fume hoods are for pussys

Lestat
(Hive Bee)
10-23-04 20:28
No 537328
User Picture       That it does, heat decarboxylates the ibotenic

That it does, heat decarboxylates the ibotenic acid to the more potent and less toxic muscimol, SWIM told me he has decided not to fiddle around with soup, but just to dry the mushroom and powder it, the powder beeing added to a shot of cola and downed.

The fruitbody dries surprisingly quickly under the heat, and would have been dry already, had SWIM's annoying parents thought his room was too hot whilst SWIM was out socialising and turned off the heater, not noticing the half-dried mushroom and strips of dry cap skin very carefully positioned in the hot air stream crazy

Over unity and rivers of blood for all!

java
(Hive Addict)
10-23-04 22:16
No 537332
User Picture       Ref: Drying Amanita

The most important aspect of Amanita muscaria preparation lies in the drying and/or of heating of the mushroom. What these two processes do is convert the less powerful ibotenic acid into the highly psychopharmacological chemical muscimol through decarboxylation. If this is not done then the potency as an inebriant is lessened. There are a number of ways to do this. The fresh mushroom can be roasted over an open flame via the Wasson technique discovered by a friend of his in Japan who roasted the mushroom over an open fire and then consumed it with euphoric effects.

.........read more http://www.entheogen.com/articles/pre-2004/amanitan.html

It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees...Emiliano Zapata

jboogie
(Newbee)
10-25-04 01:28
No 537576
      DONT USE HEAT!!!!!!!!!

if you want that mushroom to bee worth a shit, dont use heat to dry it at all! you should use dry ice to freeze dry the mushroom. then immedantly pack it in alligator seal-a-meals or some air-tight shit. go collect a bunch of 'em, drive over to the welding store (after you eat a handful of caps) and get some dry ice. stick all the shrooms in an airtight cooler/container with the dry ice. shut that shit up and let the co2 dry the good without OXIDATION! takes as long as it takes for all the ice to melt/sublimate. cool you can still roast it like that,too... im not into roasting myshrooms though, never heard of that shit...
nice cap,BTW!

Lestat
(Hive Bee)
10-25-04 02:03
No 537582
User Picture       SWIM is going to roast the mushrooms, dry ice...

SWIM is going to roast the mushrooms, dry ice is pretty much unavailable to him where he lives, and he just lost his jobseekers allowance, due to official bungling, so can't buy anything anyway frown

But a fire costs nothing, and neither do mushrooms cool

Over unity and rivers of blood for all!

r2e3
(Hive Bee)
10-25-04 18:36
No 537743
      i have

tried this same process myself.

from the stuff i have read the active ingredients are primarily in the skin of the shroom.

i used a fan assisted oven to dry the skins. maybe my particular mushrooms were weak but it didnt do much (got ,
more effect smoking it, the dried skins that is))

i believe you are not meant to consume the flesh but i may be wrong

maj
(Newbee)
10-25-04 19:05
No 537751
User Picture       dehumidifier

I don't see any reason a dehumidifier wouldn't work. Those machines you use to make beef jerky. It was always an interesting idea to me. Any bees ever try?

Little_fat_boy is bad for your health

Lestat
(Hive Bee)
10-25-04 21:38
No 537778
User Picture       Unfortunately SWIM's hopes for the mushroom...

Unfortunately SWIM's hopes for the mushroom were squelched by his parents stupidly turning the drying fan off during the day frown resulting in a nasty brown, and foul smelling mess by the time SWIM came back.

However the fungi are fairly numerous where SWIL hails from, and SWIM will bee gethering some more shortly, and this time, he will cut of just the very surface flesh and dry quickly.

SWIM did however, think to save the cap skin of his amanita, and he told me, that he will bee trying smoking of it in his pipe tonight wink

Over unity and rivers of blood for all!

LaBTop
(Daddy)
10-26-04 02:29
No 537822
User Picture       Lestat,

you read too little.
One should peel off only the tiny white specks from the hat of the amanita, and perhaps the dried white collar around the stem of it, with a pair of pliers. These are the only parts I would consume, if I were you.
You're in for some artfull throwing up if you consume oxidized parts of the rest of the fruity parts of the head or stem.
Do some googling to obtain safe doses of those peeled-off white specks. You can go quite berserk if dosed too high.
An easy method and much better for drying is fill a jampot half with dried silicagel or dried Epsom salt, place the peels on top, screw the lid on, wait 6 hrs or more. Don't forget to consume the jam first.
Superdry peels are your reward. You can try to inhale the smoke of them as if it were Meth, on a folded alu stripe.
You'll definitely will get even more bloody bonkers wacko than as you are already. tongue
LT/

PS: mix the dried peels with the same amount of fresh blood of a menstruating virgin (so, don't touch her, you skinny sex maniac!), and report back to me. The menstrual blood may >not< be oxidized, hence the word >fresh<. That will keep you busy for a while, I hope(Since it is damn near impossible these days in Britain, to find a virgin, menstruating as well, without getting clubbed by a raging crowd of impatient local brats, waiting for her 16th birthday, thus very upset by your, however honest, attempts to suck her blood. This will certainly be misinterpreted as interfeering in a local commodity under false pretents. You have been warned!)

WISDOMwillWIN

Lestat
(Hive Bee)
10-26-04 04:39
No 537849
User Picture       I am unclear as to you beeing serious about...

I am unclear as to you beeing serious about the remnants of the veil being psychoactive to any greater degree than the skin of the cap, and thin yellow flesh underneath, but SWIM judt told me, that he smoked some very well dried, powdered cap skin, about 20 grams, and feels VERY happy with himself, he said he experienced no visual element, but a very nice, introspective type of headtrip, slightly reminiscent of what little opiate experience he has had.

He also told me that there was absolutely no trace of nausea rearing its ugly, semi-digested head whatsoever smile

SWIM said to me, that he mixed up the amanita with tobacco, and smoke like one would a joint with very good effects laugh

The only side effects, SWIM said, were increased salivation and sweating, but that is to bee expected really due to musarines cholinergenic action.

Over unity and rivers of blood for all!

LaBTop
(Daddy)
10-26-04 17:55
No 537936
User Picture       You can discard

the one sentence in front of the tongue , and everything after it. As if you didn't know already.. laugh wink

The first part is serious however; when the young amanita unfolds from the mycelium in the soil, the whole body of it is packed in a thin white lining, which breaks apart while the body is quickly expanding during the rest of the growing process. The tiny white specks and the collar around the stem are the leftovers from this initial lining of the whole sprout.
These are the most active substances to harvest.
You need to find quite a lot more Amanita's, but your reward will be quite shocking.
But please, google for the right dose, I forgot it, because the Indian shamans and European druids were one of the first to find out what an overdose implied. They inhaled the smoke btw. LT/

WISDOMwillWIN

Lestat
(Hive Bee)
10-26-04 18:56
No 537948
User Picture       Interesting, I have never heard of the veil...

Interesting, I have never heard of the veil remnants beeing active beefore, could you perhaps post a link to your source?

Of course, theres no reason to discard the entire fruit body after such a treatment, but I will tell SWIM, and no doubt he will let me know how it went smile

And yes, I realised that the part of your post after the tongue was facetious, but just wasn't sure about any activity in the veil.

Over unity and rivers of blood for all!

LaBTop
(Daddy)
10-27-04 00:17
No 538001
User Picture       Collecting

only the "wards" will spare the mushroom, and it will still be able to seed its spores. No need then to take the whole mushroom home, collection of the wards can be done in nature, without damaging it, in fact, in that case.
But most people eat the dried mushroom.

This is a very helpfull link, read also Part II. Personal Experience with Amanita muscaria :
http://www.tacethno.com/info/amanita/amuscout.txt
( This is the same story : http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16317 )
It is a bit too late into the season to take advantage of the maximum halucinoginic power:
We have found, according to the data reported in many texts,
that the most important variable is the time of the season when
the mushroom is picked. The most powerful mushrooms were
picked in the middle of August when the season was begin-
ning. In the mushroom picked in September the narcotic and
physical effects were predominant whereas in August the
"visionary" and psychedelic effects were more highlighted.

Another very important aspect of this
mushroom is diet (fasting before taking it): light food two or
three days before and a day of fasting help to reduce the nausea
in the first stage and to permit a "relaxed" course.

The experience with Amanita muscaria can be split into
three stages: a first stage when the physical symptoms of nau-
sea and vomiting predominate (vomiting is very rare while a
strong sense of nausea is always present); a second stage when
the narcotic effect predominates, and a third when there could
be visions and hallucinations. The amount of the drug changes
from 1-2 mushrooms in August to 4-5 mushrooms in the mid-
die of September. This is because the August mushrooms are
more powerful, so you have to increase the quantity. But even
with the higher amount the experience is not the same: in
September the physical symptom of nausea is more marked
and the narcotic and visionary experience is less. The most
particular trait of the Amanita experience is the second stage.
In this stage you can have different levels of narcotic effect,
including sleep with normal or "particular" dreams.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=21153
1 to 7 mushrooms extracted in a tea.
Smoking of the whole mushroom gave minor effects. But you have to smoke only the dried wards. Enough of them.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info6.shtml
Active chemical substances in the Amanita.

http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/catalog/QUICK_LINKS_Amanita_Muscaria-p-1-c-249.html
""It has been found to be psychoactive by oral ingestion and inhalation.""
Here you can order the dried extract, 28 gr = $ 22.00 (€ 17.82)
And many more dried extracts from other plants and mushrooms or cacti, such as peyote. LT/

WISDOMwillWIN

biffman
(Hive Bee)
10-27-04 01:29
No 538019
      Veil, cap, stem, mycelium etc....

It should all be relatively the same potency.
That is, the distribution of the active compound throughout the whole organism should be the same.
In Mycological terms, the mushroom is only the fruiting body. It is actually only a very small part of the total biomass of the fungus.
However you can get the same effect from consuming the dried mycelium (the cotton-like stuff that grows underground that sends up the fruit.)
Heck, you can even cultivate the mycelium in a sterile liquid culture and get just as high if you go by dried weight.

BTW. I'm not a Mycologist.
I just play one on TV.

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		Lestat (Hive Bee) 10-23-04 03:11 No 537250				Quick opinion needed as to drying large amanita
						Hey beez, SWIM was just wondering, he hasn't the inclination really if not nescessary to cook this to dryness in the oven, and was wondering if simply placing it in the airstream of a VERY hot air heater would prove sufficient for decarboxylation of the ibotenic acid to occur? The heater is a good one, and will make the whole room resemble a blast furnace in about five minutes of use, so do you think it would work for doing the bees-iness with this little beauty? Over unity and rivers of blood for all!



		Lestat (Hive Bee) 10-23-04 04:55 No 537260				SWIM has peeled the cap, and is drying the...
						SWIM has peeled the cap, and is drying the surface skin now, the cap itself is in front of the heater. SWIM has settled on a method pf preparation, the mushroom shall be dried, and then a thin soup is going to be prepared for SWIM and his friend that has volunteered to partake, using thin pieces of the dried mushroom, simmered slowly with some thin rice hair noodles, and a beef bouillion cube, with maybe a few small shreds of meat to add some character to the dish. The dried cap skin is going to eaten as crispy amanita-chips, and the whole shared in two equal portions between SWIM and his friend on a previously fasted stomach with a few ready made joints of some good purple haze to combat any possible nausea and potentiate the amanita. The setting will most likely bee a nearby large woodland, which should make for a quite enjoyable afternoon for SWIM. I will ask SWIM how his experience went and post it here, upon its completion Over unity and rivers of blood for all!



		fnord (Hive Bee) 10-23-04 19:39 No 537322				amanitas
						me and a friend driend up like 4-5 milk crates full of aminatias and messed them all up somehow i think the amount of heat used may of destroyed the active chemicals in it but ive also heard that a certain amount of heat changes the ibotonic to musicomal? but dont take my word for it id look it up fume hoods are for pussys



		Lestat (Hive Bee) 10-23-04 20:28 No 537328				That it does, heat decarboxylates the ibotenic
						That it does, heat decarboxylates the ibotenic acid to the more potent and less toxic muscimol, SWIM told me he has decided not to fiddle around with soup, but just to dry the mushroom and powder it, the powder beeing added to a shot of cola and downed. The fruitbody dries surprisingly quickly under the heat, and would have been dry already, had SWIM's annoying parents thought his room was too hot whilst SWIM was out socialising and turned off the heater, not noticing the half-dried mushroom and strips of dry cap skin very carefully positioned in the hot air stream Over unity and rivers of blood for all!



		java (Hive Addict) 10-23-04 22:16 No 537332				Ref: Drying Amanita
						The most important aspect of Amanita muscaria preparation lies in the drying and/or of heating of the mushroom. What these two processes do is convert the less powerful ibotenic acid into the highly psychopharmacological chemical muscimol through decarboxylation. If this is not done then the potency as an inebriant is lessened. There are a number of ways to do this. The fresh mushroom can be roasted over an open flame via the Wasson technique discovered by a friend of his in Japan who roasted the mushroom over an open fire and then consumed it with euphoric effects. .........read more http://www.entheogen.com/articles/pre-2004/amanitan.html It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees...Emiliano Zapata



		jboogie (Newbee) 10-25-04 01:28 No 537576				DONT USE HEAT!!!!!!!!!
						if you want that mushroom to bee worth a shit, dont use heat to dry it at all! you should use dry ice to freeze dry the mushroom. then immedantly pack it in alligator seal-a-meals or some air-tight shit. go collect a bunch of 'em, drive over to the welding store (after you eat a handful of caps) and get some dry ice. stick all the shrooms in an airtight cooler/container with the dry ice. shut that shit up and let the co2 dry the good without OXIDATION! takes as long as it takes for all the ice to melt/sublimate. you can still roast it like that,too... im not into roasting myshrooms though, never heard of that shit... nice cap,BTW!



		Lestat (Hive Bee) 10-25-04 02:03 No 537582				SWIM is going to roast the mushrooms, dry ice...
						SWIM is going to roast the mushrooms, dry ice is pretty much unavailable to him where he lives, and he just lost his jobseekers allowance, due to official bungling, so can't buy anything anyway But a fire costs nothing, and neither do mushrooms Over unity and rivers of blood for all!



		r2e3 (Hive Bee) 10-25-04 18:36 No 537743				i have
						tried this same process myself. from the stuff i have read the active ingredients are primarily in the skin of the shroom. i used a fan assisted oven to dry the skins. maybe my particular mushrooms were weak but it didnt do much (got , more effect smoking it, the dried skins that is)) i believe you are not meant to consume the flesh but i may be wrong



		maj (Newbee) 10-25-04 19:05 No 537751				dehumidifier
						I don't see any reason a dehumidifier wouldn't work. Those machines you use to make beef jerky. It was always an interesting idea to me. Any bees ever try? Little_fat_boy is bad for your health



		Lestat (Hive Bee) 10-25-04 21:38 No 537778				Unfortunately SWIM's hopes for the mushroom...
						Unfortunately SWIM's hopes for the mushroom were squelched by his parents stupidly turning the drying fan off during the day resulting in a nasty brown, and foul smelling mess by the time SWIM came back. However the fungi are fairly numerous where SWIL hails from, and SWIM will bee gethering some more shortly, and this time, he will cut of just the very surface flesh and dry quickly. SWIM did however, think to save the cap skin of his amanita, and he told me, that he will bee trying smoking of it in his pipe tonight Over unity and rivers of blood for all!



		LaBTop (Daddy) 10-26-04 02:29 No 537822				Lestat,
						you read too little. One should peel off only the tiny white specks from the hat of the amanita, and perhaps the dried white collar around the stem of it, with a pair of pliers. These are the only parts I would consume, if I were you. You're in for some artfull throwing up if you consume oxidized parts of the rest of the fruity parts of the head or stem. Do some googling to obtain safe doses of those peeled-off white specks. You can go quite berserk if dosed too high. An easy method and much better for drying is fill a jampot half with dried silicagel or dried Epsom salt, place the peels on top, screw the lid on, wait 6 hrs or more. Don't forget to consume the jam first. Superdry peels are your reward. You can try to inhale the smoke of them as if it were Meth, on a folded alu stripe. You'll definitely will get even more bloody bonkers wacko than as you are already. LT/ PS: mix the dried peels with the same amount of fresh blood of a menstruating virgin (so, don't touch her, you skinny sex maniac!), and report back to me. The menstrual blood may >not< be oxidized, hence the word >fresh<. That will keep you busy for a while, I hope(Since it is damn near impossible these days in Britain, to find a virgin, menstruating as well, without getting clubbed by a raging crowd of impatient local brats, waiting for her 16th birthday, thus very upset by your, however honest, attempts to suck her blood. This will certainly be misinterpreted as interfeering in a local commodity under false pretents. You have been warned!) WISDOMwillWIN



		Lestat (Hive Bee) 10-26-04 04:39 No 537849				I am unclear as to you beeing serious about...
						I am unclear as to you beeing serious about the remnants of the veil being psychoactive to any greater degree than the skin of the cap, and thin yellow flesh underneath, but SWIM judt told me, that he smoked some very well dried, powdered cap skin, about 20 grams, and feels VERY happy with himself, he said he experienced no visual element, but a very nice, introspective type of headtrip, slightly reminiscent of what little opiate experience he has had. He also told me that there was absolutely no trace of nausea rearing its ugly, semi-digested head whatsoever SWIM said to me, that he mixed up the amanita with tobacco, and smoke like one would a joint with very good effects The only side effects, SWIM said, were increased salivation and sweating, but that is to bee expected really due to musarines cholinergenic action. Over unity and rivers of blood for all!



		LaBTop (Daddy) 10-26-04 17:55 No 537936				You can discard
						the one sentence in front of the , and everything after it. As if you didn't know already.. The first part is serious however; when the young amanita unfolds from the mycelium in the soil, the whole body of it is packed in a thin white lining, which breaks apart while the body is quickly expanding during the rest of the growing process. The tiny white specks and the collar around the stem are the leftovers from this initial lining of the whole sprout. These are the most active substances to harvest. You need to find quite a lot more Amanita's, but your reward will be quite shocking. But please, google for the right dose, I forgot it, because the Indian shamans and European druids were one of the first to find out what an overdose implied. They inhaled the smoke btw. LT/ WISDOMwillWIN



		Lestat (Hive Bee) 10-26-04 18:56 No 537948				Interesting, I have never heard of the veil...
						Interesting, I have never heard of the veil remnants beeing active beefore, could you perhaps post a link to your source? Of course, theres no reason to discard the entire fruit body after such a treatment, but I will tell SWIM, and no doubt he will let me know how it went And yes, I realised that the part of your post after the was facetious, but just wasn't sure about any activity in the veil. Over unity and rivers of blood for all!



		LaBTop (Daddy) 10-27-04 00:17 No 538001				Collecting
						only the "wards" will spare the mushroom, and it will still be able to seed its spores. No need then to take the whole mushroom home, collection of the wards can be done in nature, without damaging it, in fact, in that case. But most people eat the dried mushroom. This is a very helpfull link, read also Part II. Personal Experience with Amanita muscaria : http://www.tacethno.com/info/amanita/amuscout.txt ( This is the same story : http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16317 ) It is a bit too late into the season to take advantage of the maximum halucinoginic power: We have found, according to the data reported in many texts, that the most important variable is the time of the season when the mushroom is picked. The most powerful mushrooms were picked in the middle of August when the season was begin- ning. In the mushroom picked in September the narcotic and physical effects were predominant whereas in August the "visionary" and psychedelic effects were more highlighted. Another very important aspect of this mushroom is diet (fasting before taking it): light food two or three days before and a day of fasting help to reduce the nausea in the first stage and to permit a "relaxed" course. The experience with Amanita muscaria can be split into three stages: a first stage when the physical symptoms of nau- sea and vomiting predominate (vomiting is very rare while a strong sense of nausea is always present); a second stage when the narcotic effect predominates, and a third when there could be visions and hallucinations. The amount of the drug changes from 1-2 mushrooms in August to 4-5 mushrooms in the mid- die of September. This is because the August mushrooms are more powerful, so you have to increase the quantity. But even with the higher amount the experience is not the same: in September the physical symptom of nausea is more marked and the narcotic and visionary experience is less. The most particular trait of the Amanita experience is the second stage. In this stage you can have different levels of narcotic effect, including sleep with normal or "particular" dreams. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=21153 1 to 7 mushrooms extracted in a tea. Smoking of the whole mushroom gave minor effects. But you have to smoke only the dried wards. Enough of them. http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info6.shtml Active chemical substances in the Amanita. http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/catalog/QUICK_LINKS_Amanita_Muscaria-p-1-c-249.html ""It has been found to be psychoactive by oral ingestion and inhalation."" Here you can order the dried extract, 28 gr = $ 22.00 (€ 17.82) And many more dried extracts from other plants and mushrooms or cacti, such as peyote. LT/ WISDOMwillWIN



		biffman (Hive Bee) 10-27-04 01:29 No 538019				Veil, cap, stem, mycelium etc....
						It should all be relatively the same potency. That is, the distribution of the active compound throughout the whole organism should be the same. In Mycological terms, the mushroom is only the fruiting body. It is actually only a very small part of the total biomass of the fungus. However you can get the same effect from consuming the dried mycelium (the cotton-like stuff that grows underground that sends up the fruit.) Heck, you can even cultivate the mycelium in a sterile liquid culture and get just as high if you go by dried weight. BTW. I'm not a Mycologist. I just play one on TV.

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