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raybeez
(Hive Bee)
10-29-04 04:32
No 538444
Reductive animation w/ Al ques.

Swim has some 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-butanone, which he knows he can use to make MBDB (Methyl-J) via reductive animation.

Swim wants to use Methylamine HCL (he has ACS formaldehyde and ammonium chloride) plus Al/Hg. Swim believes that the point of the Hg salt is to convert tinfoil to elemental Al.

Swim also has access to "Aluminum Metal in Toluene". He figures this is already elemental Al, and wants to know if he can use it in red. anim. without needing the Hg.

Swim thanks everyone in advance.

Bandil
(The Archetypical "Good Guy")
10-29-04 07:28
No 538479
You can not use Al alone in a reductive ...

You can not use Al alone in a reductive amination, no matter how pure you Al metal is. As soon as it comes into contact with water, you will get that oxide layer, which effectively prevents the elemental Al to reduce anything. So you unfornately need Hg salts to use the scheme...

Regards
Bandil

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		raybeez (Hive Bee) 10-29-04 04:32 No 538444				Reductive animation w/ Al ques.
						Swim has some 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-butanone, which he knows he can use to make MBDB (Methyl-J) via reductive animation. Swim wants to use Methylamine HCL (he has ACS formaldehyde and ammonium chloride) plus Al/Hg. Swim believes that the point of the Hg salt is to convert tinfoil to elemental Al. Swim also has access to "Aluminum Metal in Toluene". He figures this is already elemental Al, and wants to know if he can use it in red. anim. without needing the Hg. Swim thanks everyone in advance.



		Bandil (The Archetypical "Good Guy") 10-29-04 07:28 No 538479				You can not use Al alone in a reductive ...
						You can not use Al alone in a reductive amination, no matter how pure you Al metal is. As soon as it comes into contact with water, you will get that oxide layer, which effectively prevents the elemental Al to reduce anything. So you unfornately need Hg salts to use the scheme... Regards Bandil Only one way leads to Valhalla - Running amok with TOTAL VIKING POWER

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