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    Lilienthal
(Moderator)
10-06-98 10:00
No 313293
User Picture  		      Ghost Posts     

In this thread you can read all the 1262 posts which became ghosts (or zombies?) because their parent posts were deleted during the posting process. This is also the longest thread ever at the Hive! laugh

Even if they were not posted to the same thread originally, you may find a lot of hidden meaning here, especially under the influence of certain drugs wink.

(The door to the other reality of postings has been closed permanently...) 		 
 
 
 
    Jaq
(Stranger)
05-07-00 01:06
No 185
User Picture  		      Re: Test     

I will go there now. 		 
 
 
 
    Jaq
(Stranger)
05-07-00 01:07
No 188
User Picture  		      Re: test     

I'm there, dude. 		 
 
 
 
    Semtex
(Stranger)
05-07-00 01:36
No 204
User Picture  		      Re: GBL and pancreatic fatigue     

You term regular users as people who take it how often?  And would taking it as a suppliment rather than an inebriant make a difference? 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Stranger)
05-07-00 05:46
No 338
User Picture  		      Re: MDA synth     

yes =) 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-07-00 07:18
No 356
User Picture  		      Re: purity of ephedrine     

Any of the popular non polar solvents work, Toluene , Xylene, Naptha, Ether , hexane, and an acetone follow up to wash away any remaining non-polar

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-07-00 07:38
No 367
User Picture  		      Re: Whats all the fuss?     

Action place, why that would horrendous' bedroom, from what I been hearing.

Heet and Dri-gas are loosing it lately on purity.
So here is my last secret, this week.
Real truck stops "Bendix Brakes brand", Alcohol evaporator fluid , by the gallon or a 4 gallon case, contains some kinda flammable liquid called Methyl alcohol. Stuff has no smell that I can detect. I don't know, it might work like a charm everytime I use it , just not sure if that was it or not.

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    horrendous
(Stranger)
05-07-00 08:36
No 396
User Picture  		      Re: purity of ephedrine     

Yaba ! (an amazing impression of Worlock)
Shellite was good when I used it, seemed quite volatile but worked well.
Ps. (It worked as well as the chem skills that used it at the time.....so it wasn't put through too tough a testing ground.)

Horrendous......GGGGRRrrrooowwwwwll 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Stranger)
05-07-00 09:58
No 420
User Picture  		      Re: purity of ephedrine     

only when i was at a night club in the UK 		 
 
 
 
    dormouse
(Stranger)
05-07-00 10:28
No 430
User Picture  		      Re: aquisition method     

What makes you think that the package will be dropped off in front of the mail boxes in the lobby? Quite possibly, the package will be dropped off at the rental office if the chemical has any hazmat labels on it. 		 
 
 
 
    nonameyet
(Stranger)
05-07-00 10:53
No 440
User Picture  		      Re: ??? on yields     

Finished product was 40% weight of pseudo. 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Stranger)
05-07-00 11:28
No 456
User Picture  		      Re: Whats all the fuss?     

so whats this action place we all know?? come on you told us about heet last year so tell us about this action place 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Stranger)
05-07-00 15:16
No 537
User Picture  		      Re: aquiring through a school     

pro number one: if your asshole is loose, you won't get raped as much in prison.
con number one: see pro's

(basically if the heat comes down, she'll roll over, and you will catch the short end of the stick)
alphabeta121 		 
 
 
 
    bee1055
(Stranger)
05-07-00 17:35
No 605
User Picture  		      Re: O2 wacker progression...     

rumor around these parts is the sloshing produced by suspending the rxn jug halfway from the ceiling and tying a rope through a hole in a fan blade of a fan on the floor is sufficient.  well disclose more once UPS finally fucking shows up.. overnight my ass! 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Stranger)
05-07-00 17:49
No 611
User Picture  		      Re: Butylamine     

This may not be alot of help, but alot of time www.chemfinder.com has online ordering information for precursors.

-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    simple2
(Stranger)
05-07-00 19:18
No 668
User Picture  		      Re: Whats all the fuss?     

Also, Like Worlock said, Heet is not as pure as once believed.  That is why if you can, a bee should try to just get the Methyl from a paint supply or truck shop like Worlock stated. 		 
 
 
 
    Godsends
(Stranger)
05-07-00 19:56
No 710
User Picture  		      Re: the making     

What I am doing is the lab way of meth,where on the web can I find these products, I like to do mine the lab way.

just doing the thing 		 
 
 
 
    JedZed
(Stranger)
05-07-00 21:08
No 782
User Picture  		      Re: tweetios...     

    It might not be any good, Psyloxy.  In these mighty united states, bufotenine is schedule I.  Bufotenine, now, with the effects of serotonin poisoning.  I don't know anybody who'd "abuse" a drug to make his skin turn purple and God knows what else.
     Of course, the scheduling might be more sane or at least consistent where you are. 		 
 
 
 
    The_Stranger
(Stranger)
05-07-00 21:17
No 790
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

I thought that GBL was still legal and that GHB was what was sceduled.  Even before this shit went down many places dropped it because of the heat.

The Stranger 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Stranger)
05-07-00 21:21
No 796
User Picture  		      Re: O2 wacker progression...     

No, never used either one of those.  I was thinking, though.  Remember those old "fat melter" machines from way back, where you stand in it and wrap a belt around your waist that vibrates and jiggles your fat away?  That'd be awesome for a big big wacker, eh?  You could prolly find one at a thrift store somewhere.  The paint shaker's a good idea.  The old back massager is real cheap, though.  If you have a 1/4 sheet finishing sander, that'd work too.  Has anyone ever heard of anyone using an ultrasound jewlery cleaner? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-07-00 22:06
No 823
User Picture  		      Re: EtNH2 --> EtNO2 with dimethyldioxirane     

Interesting reference, but isn't dimethyldioxirane violently explosive? Mixtures of H2SO4/H2O2/acetone makes the primary explosive acetone peroxide (a cyclic peroxide)... Yes, H2SO5 is made from H2SO4/H2O2.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-07-00 22:38
No 857
User Picture  		      Re: is this vacuum pump worthwhile?     

If the gauge reads 26 torr or mmHg, the pump is good for evaporating solvents and distilling stuff boiling below 200°C, but for freebase distillations etc, I would reccommend something pulling at least 5-10 mmHg.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    nonameyet
(Stranger)
05-07-00 23:16
No 880
User Picture  		      Re: Red Phos     

Just a thought>>> 3rd post from the top is what makes a good thing gain notoriety and lose it's value to ppl like 'us'.  		 
 
 
 
    Exsikkator
(Newbee)
05-07-00 23:26
No 884
User Picture  		      Re: Over Seas Shipping     

To my knowledge you can declare the mail as a "sample of merchandise with a low value" (less than $10). But I don´t know how Her Majesties´ customs will handle it.

I suggest to ask your friend in England to contact the customs office and ask for the correct declaration.
The chambers of commerce and industry can help with that, too.

Cheers, Ex................
What´s a signature? 		 
 
 
 
    MaDMAx
(Stranger)
05-07-00 23:56
No 894
User Picture  		      Re: Has anyone noticed a disturbing trend...     

holy shit I didn't know sassy was schedule 1 now! I thought they were just being strong-armed into collecting the info on buyers. Just last friday I walked into a wholesale distributor place and walked away with 8 lbs for $90. I had to do a whole bunch of lying and making up info like business name and tax i.d. number, but they didn't really give me that much trouble. Unfortunately I don't think I can ever show my face at that place again because as soon as the DEA gets a hold of the paperwork they made me fill out, they are gonna be lookin for me (to no avail) 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-08-00 01:11
No 937
User Picture  		      Re: Marquis Reagent     

Marquis Reagent

Add 9 mls of concentrated sulphuric acid and 1 ml of 40 % formaldehyde solution.
OR
Add 10 mls of concentrated sulphuric acid and 10 drops of 40 % formaldehyde solution.
The colour takes about 15-30 minutes at room temperature to develop. If very gently warmed colour will develop faster.

=> means turning too.

Compound          Colour

MDA deep purple => olive green
MDMA blue-black
Amphetamine orange => brown
Methamphetamine orange => brown
Ephedrine yellow-yellow brown
Phenmetrazine green
DMT green-yellow
DET green-yellow
Mescaline orange
PCP purple
LSD grey
Lysergamide blue
Psilocybine orange
Psilocine purple-blue
PMMA no colour, white
Cocaine purple
Procaine purple-blue
2C-B green
DOM (STP) yellow-green
DOB olive green
2C-T-2 orange-brown
Heroin purple 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Stranger)
05-08-00 01:29
No 946
User Picture  		      Re: Red Phos     

Always think before you post names of suppliers, good deal's, and other helpful items because cops can be bees to just a word of advice. They have the private messages great idea...tongue

Rhodium for president 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Stranger)
05-08-00 03:13
No 1027
User Picture  		      Re: Has anyone noticed a disturbing trend...     

I guess I missed that one.  Would you happen to have a link to the wording of the legislation making this so?  I have a feeling the DEA is overstepping their power requiring social security numbers to be given in order to approve sass purchases (that's what the supplier said was required, in addition to DL info and proof of address).  While a private entity can ask for, and refuse service if you dont give, you soc.sec.#, I was under the impression that a federal agency other than the soc.sec administration and irs cannot require soc.sec.# as a form of id.  Emphasis on require.

I was aware that information was being submitted to DEA after the sale, but had never heard of the info being submitted prior to approving the sale.

zool 		 
 
 
 
    nonameyet
(Stranger)
05-08-00 06:28
No 1156
User Picture  		      Re: Pure ephedrine.     

Check the spelling... bet it's spelled ephedrEne instead of with an i....  tricky advertising gimmick, sells shitloads and they didn't misrepresent their product. 		 
 
 
 
    modesty
(Stranger)
05-08-00 08:53
No 1216
User Picture  		      Re: Methylamine cleanup info     

It recrystallizes allright. Also I read some other bee's posting that with the 95% EtOH saturated with MeAm.HCl the NH4Cl becomes far less soluble.

But the main point here is that I have asked about using methanol as a recrystallization solvent before, with no conclusive answers. And now, unless there is an error in this textbook, it seems that 95% EtOH is an even better alternative than anhydrous. I'd say this is a very good thing, as anhydrous alcohol is near impossible to get hold of for most bees. 		 
 
 
 
    Bwiti
(Stranger)
05-08-00 09:59
No 1230
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

In my dreams, I used HEET to make methyl mandelate for a pemoline synth. I tried this twice, getting very low yields. I'm kind of hoping HEET's full of impurities, because that would mean that I'm not a shitty cook after all ! Have you tried dripping a little on glass, and seeing if it leaves a residue after evaporation ?? 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-08-00 13:18
No 1260
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

well i think you need a new source of methyl alcohol, try going to a paint supply store or a hobby shop and ask for model fuel, if your going for the hobby shop, and if you try the paint shop just ask for methyl alcohol 		 
 
 
 
    Barney_Rubble
(Newbee)
05-08-00 15:51
No 1312
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

SlyDog. Do you have a prefered battery 		 
 
 
 
    element109
(Stranger)
05-08-00 16:10
No 1324
User Picture  		      Re: Who made post on DMMDA via halo/hex??!!!     

NaI/KI + H2SO4 ? I'm pretty sure you would get I2 from that.
I thought you already have to bee carefull with NaBr/H2SO4, as to produce little or no Br2. Free halogens add to the double bond to form, well, useless compounds.

DMMDA ? How active is it? 200mg ? Maybee dillapiol is more worthwhile (i believe MDA-like effects ?)


E109- 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Stranger)
05-08-00 16:50
No 1339
User Picture  		      Re: HBr     

NO really.... No one knows what they are doing with them?????????????? 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Newbee)
05-08-00 17:05
No 1347
User Picture  		      Re: EtNH2 --> EtNO2 with dimethyldioxirane     

I don't think they would call it 'particularly useful' if it was highly explosive.
But what do I know ? You're the Chief Bee. 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Stranger)
05-08-00 18:01
No 1372
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

The R stands for the ephedrine molecule without the OH attached. 
(Where * is an available bond)
R = C6H5-CH*-CH(NHCH3)-CH3

There for RX = C6H5-CHX-CH(NHCH3)-CH3
where X can be any single bond group or element, e.i. I, Cl, H, or OH.

And the equation that you posted is right, that eq. is for the recylcing of the I2 back into HI;  PI3 degrades into HI and phosphoric acid (i think it's phosphoric acid, but it does dregrade into some acid of phosphorus)

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    Exsikkator
(Hive Bee)
05-08-00 18:12
No 1377
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer w/ hotplate     

I think it was Osmium telling on the old Hive that ebay would be absolutely OTC.

Cheers, Ex................
What´s a signature? 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-08-00 20:46
No 1453
User Picture  		      Re: Hg vapor from Al-Hg reaction?     

No need to worry. As long as there is solvent in your flask only very little amounts of Hg vapour should be released, if at all. I really doubt that detectable amounts are released during the reaction. I'd rather worry about the workup.
The gas produced is H2, not CO2. 		 
 
 
 
    StarDog
(Stranger)
05-08-00 20:53
No 1457
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

element109: Yea what Dope_Amine posted about Rhodium's
method is correct and said process yields what it claims.
Take Care
StarDog 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Stranger)
05-08-00 21:00
No 1466
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

Rhodium, I spoke loosely.  I was referring to the aromatic ring of the the meth and ephedrine, pi bonds.  The I2 can react with the ring to form strange by-products.

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-08-00 21:05
No 1468
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer w/ hotplate     

I never said that! I never used ebay or any other online auction before.
At least you don't have to worry about a paper trail for this kind of equipment in Germany. 		 
 
 
 
    nonameyet
(Stranger)
05-08-00 21:07
No 1471
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

Yikes!  Drop the 1st 2.... try acetone, rubbing it off underwater (so to speak)... don't even need a razorblade, comes right off, then dries quickly.  Maybe some DH²O afterwards and dried to be used for whatever legal purposes you had planned? 		 
 
 
 
    beastyb0yy
(Stranger)
05-08-00 22:08
No 1501
User Picture  		      Re: adderall 10mg     

Dont fuck up a good adderrall. That stuff works miracles at college. I was on it for ADD and stockpiled it untill I had an exam. It makes you concentrate on your work. I could do some unbelievable cramming with aderall. Trust me, find some college student and hook him up. He/ she will love you forever.

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    catharsis
(Stranger)
05-08-00 22:14
No 1503
User Picture  		      Re: Pure ephedrine.     

you were correct on the spelling :/ i suppose i can still get somthing from this though. unless im roylaly high on percocet. someone wanna tell me a nice way to get what i want from these things? and nah i aint making meth or cat. im sick of gak when i taken eph.. thanks.

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purge the info.

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purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    mnkyboy
(Stranger)
05-08-00 22:54
No 1529
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

Well, no residue on the glass... I must of just had a bad day, (Dont try working and studing for finals at the same time...Must of done something right though... Aced the classes, and found a gallon of Methyl that my instructor was going to chuck!) 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-09-00 00:29
No 1565
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

so if you just dip in acetone and let it dry you can use it in a reaction? 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Stranger)
05-09-00 00:46
No 1573
User Picture  		      Re: Reflux help please...     

Phuckphase, SWIm tryin the same thing. SWIM have been fucking aroung with ratios ammount of H20 ect. So as yet SWIM don't have a good proceedure. reflux time has been shortend to arround the ten hour mark for 5-10 gram batches.
Need good advice so SWIM stops fucking arround an gets godd product and yeild every time 		 
 
 
 
    Trotsky
(Stranger)
05-09-00 01:51
No 1591
User Picture  		      Re: Methamphetamines to MDMA     

-methamphetamine
-3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine
Looks like meth's a convenient starting point, huh? Unfortunately, it don't work that way. Meth is completely useless for MDMA synth. 		 
 
 
 
    Trotsky
(Stranger)
05-09-00 02:05
No 1596
User Picture  		      Re: adderall 10mg     

I wouldn't bother. Eaten, it gets my logic machine functioning like a well-greased... logic machine. Snorted, it's pleasant tweaking. Intravenous, well, only once. I tied off with a blue condom... I ended up having a flashback later on that night, probably induced by stress. I find (for me, of course) that it's a superior prescription stimulant when snorted. 		 
 
 
 
    Phuckphace
(Stranger)
05-09-00 04:40
No 1668
User Picture  		      Re: Reflux help please...     

Hematite sir,

Would you bee so kind as to opher the approximate amount oph dH2O that was present in your " recent " failed rxn involving 40gm E?

SWIPP can no longer aphord incomplete/phailed rxns, even iph the yield is lower than the traditional 65%. SWIPPs one success was 4.5gm out oph 15gm, but who cares, it worked, happiness was abundant and energy was had by all...

SWIPP has good RP and I2, but in SWIPPs neck oph the woods, the most convenient sources oph E have been explored and exhausted. SWIPP can only make so many trips in a given amount oph time to the local pharmacy phor de-congestant without raising eyebrows... Iph SWIPP wants E w/Povidone, it can bee had at 60 12.5mg phor an ungodly $6.00, phuckers...

I phind using ph in place oph an "eph" to bee amusing... 		 
 
 
 
    professor
(Stranger)
05-09-00 06:20
No 1702
User Picture  		      Re: A route to P2P     

So what were you looking to do???
And what was the question! 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-09-00 07:09
No 1718
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

PI3 + 3 C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ===>>
3 C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H3PO3

HI + C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ===>>
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H2O
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HI ==>>
C6H5-CH2-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + I2

HI Synthesis
I2 + H3PO2 + H2O = H3PO3 + 2HI     H3PO2 mol wt = 66

H2S + I2 = 2HI + S

PH3 + 3I2 => 3HI + PI3
Side reaction PH3 + HI ==>> PH4I

2P + 3I2 ==>> 2PI3
2PI3 + 6H2O ==>> 6HI + 2H3PO3 		 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Stranger)
05-09-00 07:18
No 1722
User Picture  		      Re: formaldehyde     

what up suave, I hate to misinform you but from my old knowledge on "wetdaddies" its 50/50 of da shit you got and ether! I used to smoke that shit for years back in my compton days, and you ever smoked it, and know the smell of ether then your on trail. its a follow your nose on that shit, wich I totally would reconsider doing! its caused so-o much physical brain damage to too many people i know! peace 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-09-00 07:37
No 1728
User Picture  		      Re: Solubility of Hg in DCM     

Elemental Hg is not soluble in DCM, or you wouldn't see this small bead sitting in there. Remove it by careful decantation or with a pipette.
The post Al/Hg reaction doesn't contain any soluble Hg salts anymore. 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-09-00 09:46
No 1755
User Picture  		      Re: Worlock...extraction mystery     

You should be getting at least 12 grams of E

Try this
Use 2 cups of water to dissolve the ground up tablets.

Soak for about 4 hours  water is quicker than alcohol with ephedrine,
Filter till clear.
Toss the water/E  in the freezer for an hour, then put the frozen thing in a  filter within a funnel.
Come back in 1/2 hour collect the clear fluid. The reason you have to cold filter is because you are doing a ?/B extraction instead of the full A/B extraction. The wax that is used is water soluble at room temperature. In addition the wax is oil soluble and should end up in the Toluene so that must be what your getting after evaporation.

Do not add a toluene at this time

Mix up a 30% solution of Sodium Hydroxide (30 grams  NaOH fill to 100 ml with water)
Pour  some of the hydroxide solution into the sudo water and "gently swirl" the mixture it should turn white then clear,
Add more hydroxide and swirl each time the whitness should remain longer and longer until it stays for at least 30 seconds.
 
After the milky white is seems to stay for 30 seconds or more add more Hydroxide until this stuff that looks  like an  emulsion floats to the top. The water layer will clear a little,  but  it still look somewhat cloudy if you let it sit undisturbed it will form a smooth whitish glob on the surface.
Remove the lower cloudy water layer.

Add D-water to upper smooth white glob and shake several times.
Let it sit
Then remove the lower layer

Twice more-
Add D-water to upper smooth white glob and shake several times.
Let it sit
Then remove the lower layer

Dry the White glob and there is the E freebase

Take a pH reading on the water/lye solution if you want don't be surprised if it is over 14.





Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    mnkyboy
(Stranger)
05-09-00 10:25
No 1763
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

Denatured Alcohol was just recently tested... Conclusion: It works a hell-of-alot better than HEET. 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-09-00 12:35
No 1793
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

colemans fuel is Pet Ether, and a mole of E is 183g a mole of Li is 14g 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Newbee)
05-09-00 13:35
No 1813
User Picture  		      Re: aquisition method     

The problem is, if it is being followed to apprehend the adressee, then you are fucked as they are staking that package out, for you to come by and pick it up! Silly really!

My little brother came up with a better one the other day!

You know how when you live in "rentals", you are always getting mail from the past tenants?

So you just order your stuff to your own address, but to one of the names that you always get mail for!!
When the package arrives you take it inside and write return to sender on it and then let it sit inside your house for a month!
When all seems clear use and abuse!

In case of arrest/investigation, you deny all knowledge!


Yes, I do know everything! 		 
 
 
 
    modesty
(Stranger)
05-09-00 13:45
No 1817
User Picture  		      Re: Methylamine cleanup info     

Rhodiums Methylamine FAQ has a link to Chemhacks description of using denatured EtOH for separating ones Methylamine HCl from Ammonium Chloride.

This is taken from that description detailing how cold denatured alcohol is used as a substitute for Chloroform. Don't have any details on efficiency though.

"If you don't have any chloroform then pour out about 100mls of alcohol and put it in the freezer until it is very cold. Add the cold alcohol to your methylamine and impurities and stir it around real good. Not very much of the solid will dissolve but the alcohol will take up a bunch of the yellow crap leaving the crystals much lighter. Decant off the cold yellow alcohol and repeat with fresh cold alcohol until you reach the point of diminishing returns. This is the somewhat subjective point where you are starting to
get more of your good stuff than yellow stuff." 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Newbee)
05-09-00 14:24
No 1826
User Picture  		      Re: Formula for Naphta ...     

Here ya go chief:

Naphtha  [8030-30-6]

Synonyms: Petroleum Benzine; Naphtha, coal tar; rubber solvent; VM&P naphtha; Benzine Petroleum Naphthalene;

CAS#: 91-20-3
Formula:    C10H8 
MW:       128.1732 
ACX Number:  X1001294-7

That's what your looking for right?

-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    sunlight
(Stranger)
05-09-00 16:05
No 1855
User Picture  		      Re: MDA synth     

I remember a little test with amonium acetate in Al/Hg reduction, but no NaOH was added, just plain am. ac. and yield was ridiculous, are you sure that the combo am. acetate+NaOh would work, Rhodium ? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-09-00 18:27
No 1935
User Picture  		      Re: MDA synth     

Not from personal experience, but I believe it should work. Just use a large excess of ammonium acetate.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Stranger)
05-09-00 20:35
No 1978
User Picture  		      Re: NaS-(CH2)nH     

correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that a williamson thioether synthesis failed when trying to attack aromatic halogens.  Something about the inability to perform an SN2 attack on the halogen.

alphab 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-09-00 21:23
No 1994
User Picture  		      Re: NaS-(CH2)nH     

alpha: You are right. The williamson ether synthesis does not work on aromatic halogens, only the reverse works (alkyl halide on aromatic phenol/thiophenol).

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    buckyballz911
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:19
No 2057
User Picture  		      Re: drenaline     

adrenochrome from adrenaline (epinephrine) is a simply a matter of oxidizing it.  there was an old thread on how to do it ghetto style, but i cant remember it, as it gave a truly shitty yield and wasnt worth it. 

nurses in the 2nd WW had to administer adrenaline to numbers oif troops, and they noticed if the troops were given adrenaline that had been stored a while and turned a pinkish hue, it seem to promote hallucinations as weel as the other effects of adrenaline.  so you could try just leaving the shit on the shelf for a few months in a closed container, but again, i wouldnt even bother with trying to produce adrenochrome yourself, to much trial and error for an ending shitty yield, not to mention a high no one would probably like. 
dont get confused by how cool the scene was in Fear and Loathing, he said himself it was terrible, and think about how experienced and open minded he is about drugs... 		 
 
 
 
    Dick_Nastyy
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:33
No 2068
User Picture  		      Re: Marquis Reagent     

thanx WizardX for posting this again
if anyone wants pictures go
see

http://www.dancesafe.org/ekits.html 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:46
No 2075
User Picture  		      Re: mk-801?     

Well go ahead and try it...! Just gonna fuck your brains up!

OK, just taking the piss. I saw some info on MK-801 somewhere, but don't ask for a URL.
What you could try though, is locate some anaesthetics specialist books in your local
science book megastore, that should have info on it. At least they do here in UK.

Hope it helps,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:47
No 2077
User Picture  		      Re: mk-801?     

By the way....:

mk-801 IS NOT INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION!!!

wink


-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Deathwish
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:48
No 2078
User Picture  		      Re: aquiring through a school     

Being a decade removed from school, I know for a fact that my little rural type chem storage room had some truly funky shit in there, real old school chems and experiment guides. Back in the day (way back) as I understand it schools could order whatever they liked all in the hopes of enlightening young minds. Now a days I am sure they jump through hoops like everyone else, but you never know what gems may lie unnoticed for eons in some musty old storage room.

An ancient Deathwish. 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Stranger)
05-10-00 00:17
No 2087
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

That looks like a great source!

I was the one talking about the custom synth.
We have about 25 people confirmed who are definitely purchasing at least 1 gram, and another 25 who have expressed interest. The problem with the old place we were going to use was that they wouldn't go under 200/gram, and while this is still a great price compared to the resellers we've seen on the net, it's really not to good for a custom synth. We were hoping for $100 to $150/gram. This is going to happen though.
I don't really understand the rest of the post. what is the question. 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Stranger)
05-10-00 00:24
No 2091
User Picture  		      NASA pics     

I'm still new with this WWWThreads stuff, so I hope this works. [/b]essentials[/b], check out the cool "Nasa" pics at

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/nasapics/ 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Stranger)
05-10-00 00:39
No 2104
User Picture  		      Re: Methylamine cleanup info     

BigAndBad: we're talking about methylamine, not methamphetamine (aka "chili").

CHEMMAN: Sidenote: I think KCN said one can use an excess of NH4Cl to help supress the formation of dimethylamine (this is in the hexamine/HCl decomposition route, but since HCHO/NH4Cl is basically the same, it should apply there as well).

Also, for whatever it means, my hunch is that DCM has very similiar solvent properties to TCM. 		 
 
 
 
    Cheapskate
(Stranger)
05-10-00 01:22
No 2119
User Picture  		      Re: o-toluidine     

I hate being a stranger! 		 
 
 
 
    axe
(Stranger)
05-10-00 03:05
No 2172
User Picture  		      Re: Black Beauties, Pink Hearts and Yellow Jackets...     

"Black Beauties" would be dextroamphetamine, "yellow jackets" would be phentermine, and "pink hearts" would be either dextroamphetamine or benzphetamine. I remember the fakes were known as "kiddie dope". 		 
 
 
 
    FILO
(Stranger)
05-10-00 03:41
No 2185
User Picture  		      Re: o-toluidine     

Hey Cheapskate its me Sky. I Got My Nick messed up in the change over. Ive been doing some reading I know this sounds crazy but Salicylic Acid is phenol benzoic acid with a OH in the place of NH2 on anthranilic acid . HBR should replace the OH with BR . then the BR should easily be replace with NH2 To form anthranilic acid what do you think? 		 
 
 
 
    FILO
(Stranger)
05-10-00 04:48
No 2201
User Picture  		      Re: o-toluidine     

Damn Cheapskate I see what you mean there has to be a way to break that bond! that would be all the toluidine you would need. 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Newbee)
05-10-00 06:09
No 2241
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

If you have to ask if it can be made, I am sorry to say, but I doubt you have the necessary skills to make one yourself!

Sorry!


Yes, I do know everything! 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Stranger)
05-10-00 06:17
No 2248
User Picture  		      Re: Interesting Al/Hg combo     

Conc. ammonia was used.  Can't tell you the yield yet but I will later.  Check out the MDA Synth thread by Trotsky.  It leads that ammonium acetate can be used in Bright Star's synth to make MDA, but I need to check tha shit out cuz I haven't read it in a while.. 		 
 
 
 
    Serpent
(Stranger)
05-10-00 07:45
No 2278
User Picture  		      Re: mk-801?     

Yeah, did the DXM thing, not suitable.  mk-801 is kind of a mystery, a strange passion for me to eat up and get up.  It seems likes a very fun little drug, not sure if its scheduled, if not, great, I want to give a uber-pcp receptor whatever suprise.  Experimenting with DXM at the moment, sorry if this doesnt make sense. 		 
 
 
 
    GED
(Stranger)
05-10-00 07:52
No 2280
User Picture  		      Re: Old KrZ post     

Greetings Zooligan,
  The post You looking for is,
 "All Praise Be To Rylander! Amen!
  posted 02-23-2000 02:19 PM      By KrZ

 It is a method of turning L-phenylalanine to
Amphetamine by Hydrogenation with Pt/C 5%
  I remember being quiet excited about it, when it was
first posted. It seemed too good to be true.
  You know what they say about things that are too good
to be true ?
  You might want to ask Wixard-X about it, before
spending a lot of money on it.
  Good luck in getting an answer ! I've posted a
question in the Meth Forum, regarding KrZ's MasterPlan
but have received no comment from Wixard-X or Rhodium.
  Just before the "Old Hive" went off the air, there
was a thread about this subject ( L-phenylalinine ).
 It was not too encouraging :(

 But I could be wrong,
 I've been wrong before :)

 Good Luck !
 Ged


  		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Newbee)
05-10-00 08:03
No 2284
User Picture  		      Re: i'm confused...... so am I!     

shit ive been reading the posts here at the hive now for a month and im on my 4 synth and i havent even gotten right yet someone who has reqading for 8 hrs is getting frustrated thats fuckin funny 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-10-00 08:39
No 2301
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

That tincture is way too diluted. You could eiter concentrate it by evaporating the EtOH (hopefully without losing the I2). The other ingredient ratios are off as far as I can tell. Too much H2O2 (or NaOCl for those who use that) will convert some of the iodine into periodate, which is useless. 250ml HCl sounds like way too much too.

This is what you want to do:

2 NaI (or KI) + 2 HCl + H2O2 ----> 2 NaCl + I2 + 2 H2O

Learn about moles etc, calculate the theoretically needed amounts of the reagents, use a slight excess of HCl and you should get pretty good yields. Don't use too diluted tinctures though, yields should be better with more conc. solutions.
Don't forget to report back, including a DETAILED report of what you did and how much you used. 		 
 
 
 
    element109
(Stranger)
05-10-00 09:18
No 2311
User Picture  		      Re: Gabriel synthesis     

Thanks !

Quote:
Reactions were carried out by heating at 115 C under vigorous stirring
a hetrogenous mixture of substrate (1 mol), 47% HBr (5-10 mol) and
hexadecyltributylphosphonium bromide (.1 mol)"

"Indeed in phase-transfer conditions even aqueous HCl quantitatively
converts alcohols into the corresponding chlorides."

"Attempts to use concentrated HCl or HCl and NaBr failed [to cleave
the ethers]"

This is just was i needed. Would the reaction also proceed at RT? The PTC makes the Cl anion able to reach the alkene double bond, isn't it? So, since there is contact, chlorination would be inevitable in a certain amount of time, isn't it? I'm no chemist, but i'm trying to learn.

 

E109- 		 
 
 
 
    PBOL
(Stranger)
05-10-00 09:32
No 2319
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

HEETs properties changed somewhere in 98, it used to be ideal for this purpose but it was intentionally altered to no longer serve this purpose :) 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Stranger)
05-10-00 09:53
No 2328
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

hay placebo you dont no shit so fuck up and keep your comments to your self i will make one and thanks again fuchem 		 
 
 
 
    GED
(Stranger)
05-10-00 10:49
No 2350
User Picture  		      Re: Old KrZ post     

I forgot to say, the KrZ post was in the Meth Forum.

God, My spelling sucks! Maybe if I spelled WizardX's name correctly, he would answer my question on The MasterPlan.

Sorry
GED 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-10-00 13:01
No 2371
User Picture  		      Re: formaldehyde     

I dare you to wet your cigarette with ether and put a flame to it.
My guess is that you'll smoke it for 0.002 seconds ... right up uptill your hair catches on
fire from the exploding ether.  

PS- I would never smoke formaldehyde.    Formaldehyde *can* react the same way that
carbon monoxide reacts with your lungs.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Stranger)
05-10-00 16:42
No 2431
User Picture  		      Re: Nazi method for making meth     

MISINFORMATION!

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-10-00 16:44
No 2432
User Picture  		      Re: mk-801?     

Synthesis:

Journal of Organic Chemistry 44, 3117 (1979)
Journal of Organic Chemistry 53, 1768 (1988)

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-10-00 16:53
No 2436
User Picture  		      Re: Best Method?     

The Bromo is very difficult for a beginner.   Read This:


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Icepick
(Stranger)
05-10-00 17:23
No 2445
User Picture  		      More phenylalanine stuff via KrZ     

Author Topic: amphetamine from phenylalanine
DR.NOODLUM
Hive Bee
Posts: 60
Registered: Jan 2000
posted 02-21-2000 08:05 AM
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Would anyone have a good synth text or info on converting phenylalanine to amphetamine? I cannot find a complete text anywhere and am not satisfied with the results I have obtained from the search engine. I am looking to find out what chems are easiest to obtain, safest to use, and give the highest and cleanest yields. I also was wondering if there is an effective way to convert the l-phenylalanine to d-phenylalanine because I have heard in a few posts that the d is some 10-15x more active, and that the only reason one would leave in the l is for a cut, or lack of equipment / skills.

KrZ
Hive Bee
Posts: 1402
Registered: Sep 98
posted 02-21-2000 09:02 AM
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Drone says that a NaBH4->Alcohol conversion followed by an Alcohol->Alkane conversion with RP/HI would work. Although I wish someone would come up with a procedure not involving RP/HI redution at the end. I wonder if there is a nice Pd or Pt catalyst that would reduce that alcohol without rupturing the benzene ring... Anyone?

LaBTop
PimpBee
Posts: 1386
Registered: Mar 99
posted 02-21-2000 06:08 PM
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See Paul N. Rylander: Hydrogenation methods, page 15, Chiral Homogenous Hydrogenations.
-quote-
Results may depend on minor variations in catalyst structure, and with the present state of the art only by luck could a process be optimized without considerable effort.-end quote-
Most of your answers are in this book, or the refs in there. The pressure-bible. LT/
------------------
WISDOMwillWIN

KrZ
Hive Bee
Posts: 1402
Registered: Sep 98
posted 02-21-2000 06:12 PM
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Rylander is my fave too LT, I saw that part. I was hoping for some (dare I dream) information directly regarding phenylalanine or at least something similar in structure.

DR.NOODLUM
Hive Bee
Posts: 60
Registered: Jan 2000
posted 02-25-2000 03:03 AM
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Hey labtop, where might I acquire such a book? I searched the net but came up dry.

KrZ
Hive Bee
Posts: 1402
Registered: Sep 98
posted 02-25-2000 08:45 AM
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Geee I dunno. Maybe a library? Just an off the wall guess.. Amazon has TONS of cat. hydro stuff for you, they'll even source the out-of-print Rylander for you.

Biscuit
Hive Bee
Posts: 68
Registered: Sep 99
posted 02-28-2000 08:50 AM
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i posted an idea AGES ago. i really don't know whether this would work but Vogel peformed an exp reducing an ALDEHYDE to an ALKANE. it looked quite str8 fwd.
so maybe if u could reduce the phe to the aldehyde (not sure if this is possible) if not then the alcohol, reoxidise to an aldehyde using special ox agent which will stop at the aldehyde and perform Vogels exp = amphetamine (maybe)


GURU
Hive Bee
Posts: 169
Registered: Feb 2000
posted 02-28-2000 05:26 PM
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Well, if you haven't already I suggest that you read this article: Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences Vol.67#8 pg.1167 august 1978.(it can be found in any good college library) Although there are a few drawbacks to this procedure (chem wise)that would require you to make a few chems from scratch or to order them thru a trusted friend but, if you have access to basic chems there's not much of a problem because there not list I or II(well not yet anyway) but a few are watched.

It starts by making 2-amino-3-phenylpropanol(from D-phenylalanine-available at your local healthfood/vitamin store) then turing this into N-(benzyloxycarbrbonyl)-2-amino-3-phenylpropanol then into its p-Toluenesulfonate and finally into Dextroamphetamine sulfate or methamphetamine hydochloride. Its not hard really, it's not even a long reaction.....just half a page. check it out. STAY HIGH and SAFE.

BBBBZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Note: Everything in this post is given for informational purposes only.

Guru® 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Newbee)
05-10-00 18:28
No 2469
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

Hey! It's Android! Waszzzup?
I thought that as well. But then I used to ask questions like that alot when I didn't have alot of experience. All it takes sometimes is a few seeds. Maybe he can and will pull out a few morsels that can steer him in the right direction and SUCCEED!
A smart bee is the one who asks lotsa questions.
Inebriate! 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Newbee)
05-10-00 18:32
No 2470
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

Are the compounds shipped from offshore? From ESHU I mean. Or has anyone ordered from them yet? 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Stranger)
05-10-00 20:52
No 2514
User Picture  		      Re: Old KrZ post     

Thanks for the posts, guys!   I just knew all that old info wasn't lost forever.

Now if only one of the chem-gods would give KrZ's Rylander interpretation a "yea" or "nay".... 

zool 		 
 
 
 
    examine
(Stranger)
05-10-00 20:56
No 2516
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

cool , i had a package DPT delivered one day at my door and on the package it said ESHU with a round yin-yang kinda sigh on it .
but i never could figure out where it came from , Until now!!

i got 6 online Tryptamine shops in my favorits list now

ex-amine

(**) 		 
 
 
 
    xochi
(Stranger)
05-10-00 21:09
No 2521
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

It's like MnO4. If you add H2O to it, you could use it to cleave a diol into 2 aldehyde. 		 
 
 
 
    BigAndBad
(Stranger)
05-10-00 21:30
No 2525
User Picture  		      Re: i'm confused...... so am I!     

ONE HAS BEEN READING,WTCHING ON THE COUCH AND EVAN WATCHED UNCLE FES---- VIDEO 400 TIMES,THANKFULLY THEREARE """SOME KEWL BEES HERE!!!!!!I WOULD HATE TO BLOW THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-10-00 21:33
No 2527
User Picture  		      Re: Worlock about your "Cure"     

Pseudoephedrine SULFATE does NOT dissolve well in alcohol.
You must extract with water first filter then form the freebase.

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Stranger)
05-10-00 21:47
No 2533
User Picture  		      Re: Harmine / DMT extraction with AcOH/NaCl     

Hm, well here goes the proc I used:

Kind of pulverized MHRB was immersed in 1 l of 1N (0.1 M) HCl and mazerated and shaken like
a devil-in-a-box-going-mad for couple of days or a week. Then drained / sieved and resulting liquid
was filtered through coffe filters to get all that sheyt out which are called small-particles-
hanging-round-in-my-wannabee-clear-solution. Anyways, that was defatted using DCM twice. Emulsions
made me go mad but I managed eventually with great loss of material. Then freebased with NaOH and
extracted with DCM. Again, emulsion. DCM extracts (x 2) combined and washed with water. Still,
emulsion. Then, finally DCM left to evaporate, leaving a trypt-smelling but inactive yellow-orange
goo behind. Bloody waste of money.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-10-00 22:36
No 2553
User Picture  		      Re: The lovely world of Pip - BZP, mTFMPP, mCPP, oMPP     

There are no other good references than the ones listed in the files at my page (visit your library). You could do a deja.com search through all the alt.drugs.* newsgroups, but as always, that information is unchecked.

If you have any specific questions, I'll try to answer them.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Kid_Charlemagne
(Stranger)
05-10-00 23:14
No 2563
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

Every thing that I have read about this substance seems to suggest that it is best enjoyed in a back yard garden listening to the bee gees (not that I don't like the bee gees, ) but it sounds really sleepy. any one experince it in a social setting? 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Stranger)
05-10-00 23:39
No 2576
User Picture  		      Re: aquiring through a school     

umm.. i know of a school that has a lot of oxidzers (permagenate, dichromate, bromine), pretty much everything you need short of safrole ;). They're great sources.. too bad it's a crime to rip them off =( 		 
 
 
 
    SiCBOY
(Stranger)
05-10-00 23:46
No 2578
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

I soaked my matchstrips in acetone and scraped the rp off of them. But now there seems to be alot of glue that keeps making my rp sticky. What is the best way to remove this glue?? 		 
 
 
 
    essentials
(Stranger)
05-11-00 00:37
No 2602
User Picture  		      Re: acquiring through a school     

Go to your local college, preferably a prestigious one (they go through more goodies), and walk around the graduate chemistry building for awhile.  Look for the big, haz-mat looking dumpster things.  All sorts of crazy glassware in them, and sometimes a bit of chemicals.  I put together a distillation setup in no time! 		 
 
 
 
    bee1055
(Stranger)
05-11-00 01:08
No 2610
User Picture  		      Re: how to dertermin if md-p2p is md-p2p     

isnt marquis just formaldehyde with methanol to stop polymerization?  can formaldehyde be used to test ketones? 		 
 
 
 
    essentials
(Stranger)
05-11-00 01:36
No 2623
User Picture  		      Re: Freezing of ketone/mdp2p mixture?     

Thanks, but I think that I did them correctly.  First wash was very dark, second light, third almost clear.  I'm filtering them out now, and will let you know what the stuff looks/smells like. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-11-00 02:00
No 2633
User Picture  		      Re: Meth synthesis using Ephedrine     

The 1,4-cyclohexadiene will NOT mix well or very poorly with the Ephedrine.HCl/GAA-H2SO4. So trying to use 1,4-cyclohexadiene as a source of H2 will not work.
If you where using freebase Ephedrine + 1,4-cyclohexadiene, this will create a homogeneous mixture. 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Stranger)
05-11-00 02:28
No 2643
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

Ghetto style

Go to the store and buy one of those things that spin suckers for kids walk around and find something to place inside to cause a stir and tape the botton down so it stays on....crazy

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Newbee)
05-11-00 06:42
No 2726
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

"Isopropyl is not very good it has water in it."

correction: "The isopropyl rubbing alcohol found at pharmacies often has water in it (usually 70% or 91%), but 99% IPA can often be found at some pharmacies, as well as 95% denatured EtOH." 		 
 
 
 
    Maighstir
(Stranger)
05-11-00 07:39
No 2740
User Picture  		      Re: Harmine / DMT extraction with AcOH/NaCl     

I've found that DCM is very good for extracting clean solutions (I mean solutions from which most of the shit has been removed; third or fourth extract). When extracting the first waterphases in most extractions It's best to use some other solvent (naphta for ex.). If there's still a lot of other plantstuff in the solution DCM has the tendency to form emulsionlike bubbles (almost like micells) which are very difficult to get rid of.

P.S. May I ask in what way you tried out your DMT extract (orange is great, the smell was OK but no activity)?

Vae victis meretrix est et mors venit. 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Stranger)
05-11-00 12:38
No 2791
User Picture  		      Re: Harmine / DMT extraction with AcOH/NaCl     

extract with dcm, then let it sit, emulsions go away. Then evap and get the goo. Dissolve it in acid again, and do it over with naptha. Get white crystals.


-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Shahrokh
(Stranger)
05-11-00 13:37
No 2803
User Picture  		      Re: Best Method?     

Yeah, to my knowledge the bromo method uses the most unwatched chemicals, butylamine being the only chemical I have to really search for... 		 
 
 
 
    SammydaBull
(Stranger)
05-11-00 14:21
No 2808
User Picture  		      Re: Rhodium or Hey Man Please help me!!     

Thank you stonium you are a gentleman and a scholar.I was at the grocery store and the cashier told me she had 1.5 liters of dill seed oil and she had distilled it down to 450ml but the temp was only at 155c at 28"of vac.Shouldn't she be to the goods soon or is she already there?Thank you very much for your help:) 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Newbee)
05-11-00 15:50
No 2835
User Picture  		      Re: quantitation in thin layer chromatography     

Excellent post sir!
Please keep us updated. I have used TLC to assay my legal substances in the past and was impressed. However your approach using the PC and scanner has given me new ideas. Thanks! 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-11-00 16:40
No 2853
User Picture  		      Re: odering chems     

Are you able to get a new identity (i.e. DL in someone else's name)?  Ideally, you have a new identity that you also can get a passport for.  Acquire yourself a prepaid cell phone (digital).  Have a woman friend leave a professional message on the voice mail. 

Now to the strategic part:  Find yourself a few secure addresses from people that would NOT sell you out (make sure they don't have kids, trust me, I have seen it too many times where the pigs will start putting pressure on your FRIENDS and they break down).  Then go about ordering like a company normally would:  inquire (over the phone or via E-mail), ask for price quotes that include overnight shipping, never order various items together, and even add some BS to throw anybody off.  Remember to stay professional and also compare prices and go ahead and let the suppliers know other competitive price quotes that you might have received.  Try personally not to sign for the package yourself, let them leave a slip and have somebody pick it up that would be able to play dumb if anything went down.  The idea is to be as careful as possible, but also not to be obvious about it.

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Newbee)
05-11-00 16:54
No 2859
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C     

I only found these two things when looking alphabetically:

   Platinum Metal Foil, 0.005"
Price: $241.00
Quantity in Cart: none

                         

 
   Platinum Metal, Black, 1g
Price: $121.00
Quantity in Cart: none
 

Similar situation when looking for Pd/C.

Are you sure SA carries them?

zool 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-11-00 17:03
No 2863
User Picture  		      Re: nitroethene     

Yes, formaldehyde and nitromethane will form nitroethene. This is usually done in gas phase, over SiO2-supported lead catalysts at around 200°C.
When reacted in solution with bases like K2CO3 or NaOH, nitroethanol is produced. By lowering the MeNO2:H2CO ratio other alcohols can be produced (diols, triols; god starting points for explosives because of that additional NO2 present wink)

Example: O2N-C(-CH2-OH)3, O2N-CH(-CH2-OH)2, O2N-CH2-CH2-OH 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-11-00 18:39
No 2915
User Picture  		      Re: 5-MeO-DiPT and harmala     

a while ago... I'll check it again... 		 
 
 
 
    Yeshua
(Stranger)
05-11-00 19:43
No 2944
User Picture  		      Re: Flurtipine Maleate     

Lilienthal: great name, what does it mean? Thanks for the offer, but I got the info I need after Epikur told me the correct spelling. Just part of my never-ending quest for medical knowledge...

"Boy, howdy, that was a LONG trip!" 		 
 
 
 
    Yeshua
(Stranger)
05-11-00 19:50
No 2948
User Picture  		      Re: Black Beauties, Pink Hearts and Yellow Jackets...     

Oh, good call, Axe. I'm always impressed by knowledge of what I call "vintage drugs".

"Boy, howdy, that was a LONG trip!" 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-11-00 21:14
No 2978
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

no way 		 
 
 
 
    thermite
(Stranger)
05-11-00 21:19
No 2983
User Picture  		      Re: red phosphorous decomposition     

You are correct.  Red p does not and should not be stored under water.  Keep it in a cool dry place.  		 
 
 
 
    Phuckphace
(Stranger)
05-11-00 22:18
No 3008
User Picture  		      Re: dexedrine spansules     

cog, SWIPP just recieved a few dozen pills that are touted to bee Dexedrine.

Small, two tone capsule, solid brown and clear, with "--10mg--3513" on the brown halph, and "--10mg-- SB" on the clear halph. Philled with orange/white pellets.

Same thing?

I phind using ph in place oph an "eph" to bee amusing... 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-11-00 22:52
No 3019
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

has anyone used this MB redp? 		 
 
 
 
    hispimpness
(Stranger)
05-11-00 23:02
No 3021
User Picture  		      Re: Research chemical suppliers - comparative quality.     

I thought that I would add my two cents.  I've only ordered tryptamines from JLF and have been blessed with nothing but the purest experimental substance.  I firmly recommend them if you can stand the prices (damn JLF, what the hell are you thinking?).  Everything has been on time from them too, with the exception of one, which came three weeks late (!!!).Just be careful cause even though it's legal, it can still blow your mind.  Of course you can't really take any of them, they're for nonconsumable use only silly.  Hope this helps.

Hispimpness
(sleeps well with others) 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Stranger)
05-11-00 23:32
No 3032
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

Yeah, there is:

Shrink yourself to quantum level and stick another methyl group on top of it.
But then, you'd probably be so spaced out by shrinking to that level that you
couldn't be bothered anymore to deshrink to normal size. wink

There might be some ultra-extreme-radical reaction to kill those Hs but then,
everything on the molecule would be affected.

Why would you want to do that anyways? AET is scheduled, AMT is not.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    tao
(Stranger)
05-11-00 23:39
No 3035
User Picture  		      Re: NaBH4 Method     

search young jedi search ...
http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/redamin.nabh4.txt 		 
 
 
 
    synesthesia
(Stranger)
05-12-00 00:07
No 3045
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

::shrinks down:: :)
aET is an interesting substance that is comparitive to MDMA.. but it isn't scheduled where I live.. Which is called "The free-thought government that will not get in your way to happiness." aka Never Ever Land .. Why should they matter how we get from A to B as long as B is the path to enlightenment and happiness :). AHHH that was my $0.02 :)

I also follow the law (even though I may not like it). I guess you have to take your spoonfulls :)

It's fun programming your quantum computer! 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Stranger)
05-12-00 01:35
No 3063
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

this is probably a no brainer but where is a good place to get the duracell 2450's? 		 
 
 
 
    immobilon
(Stranger)
05-12-00 01:40
No 3065
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

Speaking of codeine, I was wondering if anybody could give their opinion on whether the effect of the so called 'stronger' opiates is really so much better than that of codeine.

I usually take around 320mg codeine phosphate, and find it to be quite satisfactory.  I don't have access to anything else, and would like to know if it's worthwhile searching out something stronger. 		 
 
 
 
    Krypto
(Stranger)
05-12-00 02:09
No 3080
User Picture  		      Re: red phosphorous decomposition     

Here's a small semi-related note.
By heating Yellow (White) phosphorous for 8 to 10 days under pressure in an inert atmosphere you will yeild Red phosporous.

Yes, That is white to red.

Kr 		 
 
 
 
    carlito
(Stranger)
05-12-00 03:31
No 3103
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker problem     

Well, I did separate into two portions so I could fit it in my sep funnel.  And I tried washing with more water.  Alot more water.  I also took a separate portion and tried to wash with dcm, but nothing I put into this mess seems to change it's consistency.

I also tried filtering out the black gunky stuff with coffee filters, just to see if it would clean up the solution enough to see a separation, but no go.

And don't worry, I ain't quitin' yet.  I just think I might want to switch to the Osmium KRV method.  I got plenty o' sassy.  I got like 6 liters for 80 bucks.  I've distilled quite a bit of it to safrole, and I got enough palladium chloride to try several types of wacker oxidations.  I just hate the fucking benzoquinone, and I stained my fucking fingers doing the benzo wacker.  Went right through my fucking gloves!!  Guess that will learn me to mess with metals ;->

Anyway, by 'switching to KRV'  I'm talkin about osmium's.  It uses methanol, CuCl2 and Palladium chloride.  It sounds intensive, but the reaction should be easier to follow, and sounds like it has lots of visual cues to keep me on track.

Any experience with the Osmium KRV? 		 
 
 
 
    analog
(Stranger)
05-12-00 03:35
No 3105
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker problem     

i have been contempling the benzo-whacker for some time, and was having trouble finding DMF could you recommend a comprable solvent? 		 
 
 
 
    FILO
(Stranger)
05-12-00 04:29
No 3117
User Picture  		      Re: Anthranilic Acid     

Cheapskate like you said on the other post it all boils down to O-Toluidine. I noticed Dye CO. sell it cheaper than Chem. Co. I wonder how watched it is in the Dye industry? I know the Chem Co. seem somewhat hessitant to sell it because of DEA licensing. But the Dye industry in europe don,t seem to care I think its 40$ for 2.5 L.
                                                                               		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-12-00 04:47
No 3123
User Picture  		      Re: Research chemical suppliers - comparative quality.     

I'm with Pimpy. JLF's quality is consistent and they are a known quantity. I wish I had an insight to offer as to differential subjective quality. I am going to try ESHU after my next bank job for sure though! 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Stranger)
05-12-00 05:09
No 3127
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

1. after the 24h extraction, could the ether/thc filtrate then be reacted directly with acetyl chloride without evaping the ether and then re-dissolving and then doing the acetyl chloride reaction?

2. How much acetyl chloride should be used in ratio to thc/ether solution?

3. What are the visual sighns that the reaction is going well, and that it's done?

4. what is this Na2CO3 and NaHCO3 stuff, and where is it obtained OTC? Or, are there more readily available alternatives? 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-12-00 05:22
No 3130
User Picture  		      Re: This may be part of the sodium cyanno post     

Thanks for your great input Zooligan on running the NaCNBH3...  Where can one possibly obtain Nitrogen, all she has been able to get a hold of is those big containers?  So, she would substitute the Nitrogen for Argon which hasn't given her any problems.  Has anybody else tried this?

But the question still remains, can one hypothetically substitue NaCNBH3 for NaBH4 in this process?  If so, could one substitue straight across or what would be the amounts for producing not-MDA?

Again, many thanks in advance!!!

Regards,

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Newbee)
05-12-00 05:41
No 3137
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

OK OK duracell 2450's are tha way to go but how many vs how much pfed?

cool 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Stranger)
05-12-00 05:45
No 3139
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

SWIMP dreamt: hot dH2O was added to codine and acetominphin(sp?) pills in a graduated cylinder. It was stirred for a min or 2 then let settle. SWIMP's dream observed: A dense white layer on the bottom with a large clear H2O layer above the bottom layer with a fluffy-puffy white foam floating on top. It is evident to SWIMP  that there are 3 layers here. There are 3 ingredients in the cylinder also. Has simply adding H2O seperated the codine from the acetominophin? SWIMP thinks that would bee to easy. Since SWIMP doesnt know much about messing with OTC codine pills, he would like your help. What does he and/or she have here??? 		 
 
 
 
    SplattyReflux
(Stranger)
05-12-00 07:20
No 3157
User Picture  		      Re: NaS-(CH2)nH [Some ideas for 2C-T synth]     

Yep, just checked an old Vogel's. See p 585 of the fourth edition, regarding the addtion of a thiol to 2,4-dinitro-bromobenzene. However, I haven't tried this personally, and couldn't say wether this reaction works only due to the o,p nitro groups. Incidentally, that earlier reference is for the room temp. synth. of sulfides using thiophenols, NaOH, alkyl halides, and surfactants (~90% yield) in 15 min. Hope its useful. And regarding metal mercaptides (i.e. sulfur equivalents of alkoxides), I think its very unlikely you'd come across the salt ready made, and would have to make it from the thiol anyway, so why bother? I concede that I could be wrong on this one, and in truth would be happy to hear of any sources of sodium mercaptides that anyone knows of.

...another fine mess I've got you into.
        =Splatty= 		 
 
 
 
    blanka
(Stranger)
05-12-00 08:30
No 3175
User Picture  		      Re: possible phenylalanine to MDMA     

In the body phenylalanine is converted to tyrosine with a coenzyme, tetrahydrobiopterin, used as a cosubstrate.

A coenzyme is used in the body to convert tyrosine to dopa.

No need for refs. It's in most BC (biochem) books. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-12-00 10:12
No 3198
User Picture  		      Re: dexedrine spansules     

Almost all pelleted time release formulations can be overcome by grinding the pellets into a very fine powder, capping it and there you go. Regular gelatin caps will delay the experience by only 7 to 20 minutes. 		 
 
 
 
    chemdumb
(Stranger)
05-12-00 11:21
No 3224
User Picture  		      Re: A route to P2P     

Read KrZ's "With a vengence"

Surprise! He's back. And dropped the bomb shell.

I should go piss him off. He does so much when he is mad. 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Stranger)
05-12-00 14:44
No 3287
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

If you get a hold of Zubricks Organic Chemistry Survival Guide, you will find the equations you are looking for. Mind you the math looks slightly involved.

Also known as antibody 		 
 
 
 
    Jump
(Stranger)
05-12-00 14:51
No 3292
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

Hi Placebo..

You can screw the chili up by shooting NaOH into it? Yeah, I did that BEFORE I added the Toulene layer. I saw white streaks shooting though the water layer as I shot some sodium hydroxide into it.

Now, you say that Povidone looks like 'cottage cheese' in the Toulene layer?? Hmmmm.. I used the generic Save On / Albertsons /Wall Mart "Psuedophedrine Hydrochloride" red hots. No Povidone is listed in the ingredients. Umm, so maybe it's there anyway?? Shit.

Anyway, I guess the moral is if you have cottage cheese looking stuff in your Non-Polar layer it's crap!

Yeah, I will look up steam distillation.

Thanks for your help Placebo! Any comments on why a Bee wouldn't get a Pull during the P/P??

regards,


Jump 		 
 
 
 
    Yeshua
(Stranger)
05-12-00 15:03
No 3298
User Picture  		      Re: Vaproiser for weed smokin     

bee1055: Now, now, bee nice...

"Boy, howdy, that was a LONG trip!" 		 
 
 
 
    Chopper_
(Stranger)
05-12-00 15:40
No 3309
User Picture  		      Re: alkylation of amines [or: MDA --> MDMA the easy w]     

If you react formaldehyde with the amine to make the imine, using K10 clay to absorb the water formed from the dehydration (the clay should be slightly acidic, also helping to drive the reaction), hopefully you can get a high yield of schiffs base intermediate which can be reduced with formic acid. Whether isolation of the imine is feasable is something i havent got around to looking up. I was looking into this before the old BBS went down, and never got around to running the reaction. If i do, ill be sure to post the results. 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Bee)
05-12-00 15:47
No 3311
User Picture  		      Re: With a Vengeance     

And all the people rejoiced, for their leader had arisen!

Fuck yeah, he is back, baby!

Yes, I do know everything! 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Stranger)
05-12-00 15:55
No 3314
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

Any idea if this is scheduled in canada?

I see DET as scheduled but not AET. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-12-00 17:08
No 3332
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

Draw a straight line through the normal boiling point (100°), the observed boiling point (45°C) and the line will intersect at the pressure you have in your system.



http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-12-00 17:17
No 3341
User Picture  		      Re: NaS-(CH2)nH [Some ideas for 2C-T synth]     

I strongly suspect that the substitution works due to the nitro groups (through nucleophilic aromatic substitution, NAS).

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-12-00 17:33
No 3348
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

1. The filtrate could probably be used right away, just make sure it is anhydrous (dry over MgSO4).

2. Use 1.1 molar excess of acetyl chloride to be sure all the THC is acetylated.

3. I don't think there is any visual signs, but there is no reason to believe the reaction shouldn't go to completion in a few minutes.

4. NaHCO3 is baking soda (bicarbonate), and Na2CO3 is washing soda.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-12-00 19:40
No 3411
User Picture  		      Re: Chems in Mexico?     

Ending up in a Mexico jail is the least of my concerns.  Put it like this, it costs approxiamately $20 (that is if you don't know anybody over there) for just about any kind of prescription you want and then you just locate your desired pharmacy.  How do you think all those bodybuilders get their desired chemistry enhancements?

I'm just not sure about chemicals and glassware.  Come on BEES!!

Thanks,

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-12-00 20:23
No 3423
User Picture  		      Re: This may be part of the sodium cyanno post     

Zooligan-

Would you possibly have any additional information regarding the sodium cyano reduction method (TSII), however one would like to switch NaCNBH3 with NaBH4?

Thanks-

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-12-00 20:55
No 3441
User Picture  		      Re: 99% Formaldehyde ?     

READ OS's POST YA'LL.

40% (by weight) is the maximum concentration ... without the formaldehyde either 1.Vaporizing, or 2. Polymerizing.   

So to re-hash what Os said ... if its a solid then it is PARAformaldehyde ... the polymerized form ... and it can
be used as is ... cause when it gets into water it de-polymerizes into formaldehyde.    If 'stuff' is a liquid it is most likely, 99% (a 40% formaldehyde solution) with some dye.

So that stuff on the shelf of the aquarium dept ... is probably a ~40% formaldehyde solution ... with a little green dye.   How much is it?    You can buy 150g bags of paraformaldehyde for 2$.

Dig it?


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    MaDMAx
(Stranger)
05-12-00 22:15
No 3472
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

Thanks very much that is quite helpful. For the water boiling point I get a value of about 90-100 torr. After my last post I distilled some safrole and it came over at 145C which gives a value of around 60 torr. So I will assume that I'm pulling maybe 80 torr. Is that a decent amount for an old refridgerator compressor? 		 
 
 
 
    MaDMAx
(Stranger)
05-12-00 23:55
No 3491
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

I just buy mine from the local chem. supply shop.  I would like to find an OTC source though, not because I am paranoid but because the chem suppliers usually charge much more than the OTC prices for stuff. 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Stranger)
05-13-00 01:15
No 3515
User Picture  		      Re: 99% Formaldehyde ?     

Speaking of paraformaldehyde, I know it is sometimes sold as mildewcide, but which section of my friendly Home Depot store can I find something like mildewcide, that is paraformaldehyde. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-13-00 02:28
No 3547
User Picture  		      Re: quantitation in thin layer chromatography     

Some consideration are: (1) both I2 & H2SO4 are VERY CORROSIVE and placing this onto your scanner is NOT safe.
(2)the intensity of the I2 absorbed spot will slowly fade as the I2 is volitile and the spot intensity is inaccurate as you are scanning the plate.

Ninhydrin is the reagent to use. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-13-00 03:22
No 3558
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

PI3 + 3 C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ===>>
3 C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H3PO3
An excess of PI3 is needed to make HI.
2PI3 + 6H2O ==>> 6HI + 2H3PO3
Red Phosphorus is needed to recycle the I2 that comes from the reduction of C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HI
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HI ==>>
C6H5-CH2-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + I2

2P + 3I2 ==>> 2PI3
The PI3 then reacts with H2O to form more HI.


If you make HI abd then add Ephedrine ...
HI + C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ===>>
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H2O
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HI ==>>
C6H5-CH2-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + I2

In theory you need 2 moles of HI per mole of Ephedrine, however a ratio of 3:1 is used. Thats you the I2 is recycled by the P.
2P + 3I2 ==>> 2PI3
2PI3 + 6H2O ==>> 6HI + 2H3PO3 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-13-00 03:34
No 3561
User Picture  		      Re: 99% Formaldehyde ?     

Look around the bug poison and fertilizer. Or ask one of the happy, smiling, cheerful, ready to assist folks in the gay orange aprons. 		 
 
 
 
    Teonanacatl
(Stranger)
05-13-00 04:10
No 3574
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

Anyone ever hit the G at work, do tell!

blush
...well...depends on the job...
wink


The freedom to say 2+2=4...

 
 
 
 
    thermite
(Stranger)
05-13-00 04:41
No 3591
User Picture  		      Re: nomenclature     

Thanks!

That was so simple...Should have figured that out!

Ignorance is prison for the mind. 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Stranger)
05-13-00 05:14
No 3596
User Picture  		      Re: adderall vs. dexedrine     

adderall is racemic amphetamine (basically Benzedrine remarketed).  dexedrine is the d-isomer of amphetamine, which has a higher affinity for the "brain" receptors, whereas adderall is a mix of the d and l isomers.  the l-isomer has a higher affinity for the "body" receptors, and will give more of the peripheral effects (cold hands, feet, etc) and jitters than dexedrine does.  For a very extreme comparison of what I'm talking about, look at the difference between methamphetamine and ephedrine.  Ephedrine makes you feel like you're having a panic attack.  Meth makes you feel like you're on top of the world, your nerves are cool as ice, and your mind is as sharp as a razors edge.  Like I said, an extreme comparison, but it gives the general idea of what I'm trying to convey.

adderall is being heavily pushed to the psych community because it doesn't have the "street recognition" that dexedrine and ritalin do.  Therapeutically, it's a stupid move to give antsy kids a drug that have a much higher potential than dexxies or desoxyn to make them more antsy. 

Adderral is also much harder on the cardiovascular system, and more likely to cause nasties such as heart attacks and strokes (although granted, the target population of the med isn't exactly prone to cv problems).

It's a grand marketing scheme that not only pushes the product to the consumer market, but has been putting both social and legal (not directly, but the overtones are there) pressure on the doctors. 		 
 
 
 
    GED
(Stranger)
05-13-00 06:05
No 3607
User Picture  		      Re: Old KrZ post     

Zooligan,
   This is very encouraging news You have, from Rhodium
The D-Meth is what You want, for sure.  l-Meth is availible over the counter at CVS drug stores, in their nasal inhailers. It doesn't do anything. Won't even clear your nose.
   A methylation method is included in the old KrZ post by Icepick, just below this.
   If this method works, as posted, then KrZ deserves so kind of Nobel Prize for clandestine chemistry !!
 This one method is priceless, not to mention all the others he has posted !!
  I want to believe in KrZ's methods. I think the problem is that non-chemist, like me, have a hard time understanding the fine points of some of these writeups and well educated chemist have a hard time explaining things on our level. It's a bit like teaching a child to play the piano. It takes a lot of patients on both sides. Keep us posted on your results ?
GED

 Have been informed that there is no l-meth in CVS nasal inhalers. If l-Desoxyephedrine is not the same as l-meth then I apologize for posting disinformation.
 Enough of that here already.

 Zool, Have not tried Masterplan. Will post results if ever get around to it.

 GED 		 
 
 
 
    Maighstir
(Stranger)
05-13-00 11:42
No 3671
User Picture  		      Re: quantitation in thin layer chromatography     

Thanks for the advise wiz. The article mentioned this about the I2 (I think it's safe to assume that most people here know something about I2 considering the use in meth production).

Ninhydrin huh, I'll remember that.

P.S. You'll probably know this one but here goes anyway.

Title: Plant drug analysis (unfortunately very expensive but extremely usefull for TLC practitioners).

Vae victis meretrix est et mors venit. 		 
 
 
 
    Nutmeg238
(Stranger)
05-13-00 17:55
No 3735
User Picture  		      Re: Acteldehyde     

Can someone post references on the benzyl Cl + CH3CHO --> P2P synth (or related reactions)?

  
 
 
 
    thermite
(Stranger)
05-13-00 20:56
No 3767
User Picture  		      Re: natural ph indicators     

Also there is a great page on Worlock's site.

I'll never buy ph paper again! 		 
 
 
 
    potpourri
(Stranger)
05-13-00 23:10
No 3799
User Picture  		      Re: not saliva but it has potential...     

Oh, I was just trying to be cute.  You see, salvia is NOT saliva (which is alot more fun, in my humble op).  I added "but it has potential" because the question was about potentiation.  But thanks for caring. . . 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Stranger)
05-14-00 00:19
No 3816
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

I'm just bringing this thread to the top b/c I'd like to know how many grams of Lith per g of E
thanx 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 02:15
No 3861
User Picture  		      Re: bubble or acid work up     

anybody 		 
 
 
 
    ozbee
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 02:15
No 3862
User Picture  		      Re: bubble or acid work up     

dogg I understand you may want to see the resulting pure Pseudoephedrine Hcl and weigh it for return% and the like . I have this feeling you may want it in freebase form depending on your method . This is why I A/B with ether as I add it near on imeadiately to be reacted birch style .

Backyard chemistry
down under with ozbee 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Stranger)
05-14-00 02:18
No 3866
User Picture  		      Re: Denatured GBL     

On the otherhand, had it not been posted - those of us who don't deal with them would not have known.

Posting on the Hive isn't going to be the problem.  Most of us here are semi-responsible.  Wait until someone posts it all over the bodybuilding and a.d.c..  Then things will get more fucked up.

Thank You for the info Black Death.  I've kicked the 12x/day dosing schedule G habit, but I am glad to know that I can lay in at least a small supply for special occasions.  This compound, and the honesty and openess that it inspires, brought my husband and I much closer.  I'd hate to lose getting to have those 2 day meth/GBL lovebabble sessions for the rest of our lives :)

Now- Osmium, go figure out that THF/calcium hypochlorite oxidation, and write it up in a monosyllabic step-by-step detailed method for those of us that are textbook style chemistry impaired.  		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Newbee)
05-14-00 02:41
No 3880
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

Methanol you dont need a reason to buy but I don't know why you would go to a chemical supplier for it depending where you live it can be easy to find as an alternative fuel.

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    ken
(Stranger)
05-14-00 02:58
No 3892
User Picture  		      Re: chicken feed ?     

perhaps one should start a chiken farm. anyone know who stocks it? 		 
 
 
 
    2stoned
(Stranger)
05-14-00 03:20
No 3898
User Picture  		      Re: imports to oz     

I've got a freind who is a glassblower, where do i get blanks, joints? are they easier to get than than the finished product? 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-14-00 04:39
No 3916
User Picture  		      Re: Electochemistry     

I'll put a list together and URLs. 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 05:38
No 3929
User Picture  		      Re: Hey Iudexk ... [salicylaldehyde --> catechole]     

This is another entry from TSII:

NaHCO3 and dH2O are stirred in a 3-neck flask with 2 addition funnels attached.
One funnel has salicylaldehyde, the other concentrated H2O2 (30% min). Both salicylaldehyde and H2O2 are dripped in simultaneuosly causing a vigorous reaction to occur who's temperature needs to be kept at 48-55°C with external cooling for 30 minutes. After addition the solution stirs for 1 hour at 20°C to give a yield of catechol at 95%.
Looks pretty good don't it ?

Yeah, looks good but exact amounts wouldn't be bad. But at least there's a ref:
CA, 75, 48687e (1971)

Where does one go from there ?

* Methylenation with DCM/NaOH to get benzodioxole

* then there are several ways:
1) bromination with Br2 in AcOH and formation of a Grignard reagent( = add Mg)
1.1) react with allyl-Br to get safrole
1.2) or react with propyleneoxide to get the P-3-Pol which can be turned into Safrol with KHSO4
1.3) or you could let it react with propanal which would form the P-1-Pol. The P-1-Pol if treated with KHSO4 gives rise to isosafrole
1.4) you could also let it react with ethyleneoxide to give 3,4-MDO-Phenylethanol which could be oxidized to 3,4-MDO-PAA
1.5) you could make piperonal from that with N-methylformanilide
1.6) or you could make the benzylalcohol with formaldehyde which could then be oxidized to piperonal

2) Now forget about the Grignard.
2.1) Chloromethylate the benzodioxole with HCOH and HCl
2.2) Turn the benzyl-Cl into piperonal with hexamine/HCl or other chems
2.3) You could also do chloropropylation with propanal and HCl.
the 1-chloro-propyl intermediate could be turned into the P-1-Pol with KOH which gives Isosafrole with KHSO4

3) some intresting rxns are/may be possible with (the grignard reagent of) the benzyl-Cl:
3.1) MDP2P with acetonitrile [Grignard]
3.2) MDP2P with ethanal [see ethanal thread in the chemistry disc.]
3.3) MDP2P via dibenzylzinc with ZnCl2 and Ac2O or AcOH, not sure [see phenylacetone.txt @ Rhodiums page] [Grignard]
3.4) MDO-PAA with CO2 [Grignard]

and some more things are also possible I think...

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    Biscuit2
(Stranger)
05-14-00 05:42
No 3931
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

So for a shoddy, low yielding synth of ephedrine to meth, only HI is required?

And clearly there are some excellent chemistry minds on this thread and this will help the MDMA guys too.

Does DMSO/NaBr/H2SO4 make HBr in DMSO or Br2. (its just isn't HBr colourless, but the DMSO is turned orange, implying Br2 instead???)

and the same for NaI, is HI made or just I2.
Thanks 		 
 
 
 
    DementedAngel
(Stranger)
05-14-00 06:49
No 3951
User Picture  		      Re: Domestic Shipping     

first you started a thread asking how to stay out of jail, then you started this thread.

There is no way to mail "safely" 

Way to stay out of jail is to not do anything that will get you arrested, or be very lucky and very very good at what you do. 

DA





--Science is truth found out; the truth can be made up if you know how. 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 06:53
No 3954
User Picture  		      Re: meth manufacture     

listen dude all the simple ways are here all ready if there was anything simpler wed all be doing it

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    JedZed
(Stranger)
05-14-00 07:05
No 3959
User Picture  		      Re: Finally, a good use for 2C-H     

Nice catch.  Yes, hydrogen is usually essential to these reductions. blush   Actually, it was fucked up because he said in the preamble or ramble or whatever that 2~3 atm were good for the reaction, but in the actual procedure that the reaction mixture had the H2 "passed over" it.  Whatever that means. 		 
 
 
 
    yesca
(Stranger)
05-14-00 07:20
No 3970
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

yeah, the itches etc. never really bother me either.  but i hate the fucking nauseau, which kicks in as soon as the ganja wears off.  does atarax really work for this sort of nauseau? 		 
 
 
 
    cognodysleptic
(Stranger)
05-14-00 12:45
No 4024
User Picture  		      Re: fun? with adderall     

nope they are beautiful baby blue 10mg pills. solid, and chunky. 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Newbee)
05-14-00 14:09
No 4049
User Picture  		      Re: l-tryptophan -> LSA?     

Drug Phreak!

Is that article in electronic form?

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-14-00 15:04
No 4064
User Picture  		      Re: hydrofluoric acid     

No. HF is much too reactive to be used as a general hydrohalide.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-14-00 15:12
No 4066
User Picture  		      Re: CH3-CH2NH2-COOH ?     

Are you talking about CH3-CH2(NH2)-COOH or NH2-CH2-CH2-COOH? Both sure exist.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 15:39
No 4070
User Picture  		      Re: CH3-CH2NH2-COOH ?     

Well, I've been thinkin about the isomeres but that shouldn't matter in the end.
Let's say I like both. :)
It shouldn't be a big problem to decarboxylate them to get ethylamine ? 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 17:40
No 4116
User Picture  		      Re: Plastic Push Pull tanks     

but those were just dreams, not reality 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 18:16
No 4123
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA and SSRIs     

So that means prozac + speed = nothing ? 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Stranger)
05-14-00 21:00
No 4166
User Picture  		      Re: GHB Wrongfully Illegal     

ok so what would you say to a company taking names on ordering gbl?  Do you think the dea would be busting down my door? 		 
 
 
 
    Exsikkator
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 21:26
No 4180
User Picture  		      Re: WARNING     

Stonium isn´t Stonie and isn´t Agent Smith. From our SQL-database at Echelon I got some suspicious e:mails and a search result tells that this Stonium is Special Agent Johnson.

Cheers, Ex................
What´s a signature? 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Newbee)
05-14-00 22:33
No 4197
User Picture  		      Re: OTC sources of DMF     

Zeph, read http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/wacker.benzo2.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Jump
(Stranger)
05-15-00 00:26
No 4216
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

Hi Hapiaz..

I gotta learn to explain this stuff better! Sorry for my mis-communication.

I dumped the lye layer , then washed the Toulene layer a coupla times with Dh2o- now I see I shoulda kept the lye layer for a 2nd pull. I added fresh dh2o a 3rd time, (not hot though, haven't heard of that yet) then took a pipette and dropped HCL into the sep funnel CAREFULLY so the ph wouldn't go to 6. I checked the ph with a digital ph meter, and it was 7.2. Now I shook it a little, and some honey went into the hcl/water layer, but evidently not enough. The cottage cheese was still in the Toulene layer

I'm still wondering if the E was converted, as I never got the whoosh. I'm also wondering if I shouldn't have added more RP and I2 after 60 minutes - I mean , HOW LONG do you wait for the pull?  And do you go above 150 degrees???  I finally added about 2 ml of water after 70 minutes and it all went liquid....do you need the pull for the E to convert?? Everything up to 60 minutes looked textbook (according to worlocks instructions) ...then, nothing.

Thanks for the help bees..


Jump 		 
 
 
 
    Kid_Charlemagne
(Stranger)
05-15-00 02:01
No 4240
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

Hey there, all the "i'm a bad ass and know everything" shit needs to stop...
I think that you would save a lot of time and hassle if you checked with www.labx.com, they have a lot of stirrers used for low prices . it is auction style
Good luck Tbeenz
ROLL ON 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-15-00 02:40
No 4270
User Picture  		      Re: Why wash Iodine from used Red Phos     

No need to wash the RP unless it is not working too well. The iodine is not the problem. RP adsorbs a lot of things on the surface of the particles. It is the only chemical in the reaction that ends up as a solid everything else is in solution. So it tends to have all the un filterable and solid unwanted debris in the filter with it. The worst probably being wax from pills and flammable organic molecules.

The yellowing maybe from other contaminents and not only  iodine, also from organic break down products some of which may contain iodine. Sulfur compounds being particularly funky.

Since the iodine is recycled in the reaction, I have a suspicion that it can be reduced considerably. And  plan to carry out some test for this, may have to introduce some of the  the ephedrine during the reaction and probably increase the RP.

 I don't think anyone knows how much iodine is in the RP.
It would be a little difficult to determine but not impossible , The only difficulty would be obtaining a dry sample to test because the heat would drive off some of the iodine, and it smells bad.

 SWIM purchased some used RP.
 A sample was not pre dried for the initial weigh-in but 20% was lost to the wash, and post-wash drying.
Moisture, iodine, and an organic grease similar to brake fluid was in it.
But no go-go as is told in fairy tales about used RP.
Go-go  being water soluble is not expected to be found, since the filtered RP would have a little water run through it at the end .

After writing this I have a urge to go wash my used RP.
I have used it unwashed.
Suddenly it seems like a good idea to clean it up well,  and dry it prior to use.

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    gemini33
(Stranger)
05-15-00 02:49
No 4274
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

Jump
You mentioned somewhere above that AFTER the reaction the chili/water was pH 8..?? Sounds like something is definately wrong. Typically the pH after the reaction is around 1 or 2, NOT 8.
g33 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-15-00 03:12
No 4277
User Picture  		      Re: mixing ingredients     

I believe it is best to mix the I2 and E very dry, but to not shake them so much that they liquify.
Then add the RP.
This mixture can then be shook up and mixed well.
When you notice a little reaction and the smell of HI.
Then add the needed amount of water.
Hold the stopper on the flask  and shake or roll until the reaction has begun to melt to the reactants.
Add any additional water needed, if it looks on the dry side.
Then seal it up,
Roll it around in the flask, until all is liquid and bubbling.
This has it moving along without ever adding heat. You will notice the reaction initially produces gas but no heat , the bottom of the flask is not even warm.

It is easy from here add mild amounts of heat,  to keep the bubbling active and to maintain a steady rise of the reactants without creating the violent thick smoke


One reflux method is to"
add some of the RP and I2 with water cook for 20 minites to get the HI concentration up before adding the E,
the rest of the RP is added a little at a time.

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 03:20
No 4282
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

exactly what happened give details

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Newbee)
05-15-00 03:32
No 4285
User Picture  		      Re: hydrofluoric acid     

i dont like the sound of that shit
bad bad bad bad shit 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-15-00 03:58
No 4298
User Picture  		      Re: PHOS. not reacting     

You cannot oven dry iodine, the heat will turn it into a gas.
The iodine is from tincture. and you did not make it so being not certain you have to assume the worst.

So put it in a tall jar add d-water shake it up well a glass marble  helps to break up any chunks that are stuck together. Shake it more
Then let it settlefor 5minutes pour the upper layers and water through a filter. Wash the sediment very good again.
pour it in the filter twist it dry into a ball, roll the  ball into a dry stack of filters and wring it out hard, Continue changing to dry filters until the ball is dry.
Put the ball in a shallow glass jar and break up the iodine ball.
Place the glass with iodine on a piece of cardboard in your freezer, over the glass place an inverted bowl. this will act like a freeze dry unit. The water vapor will escape any iodine  will be trapped under the bowl. The longer left like this the dryer the iodine will be, but after 4 hours most of what will happen quickly is done.
If after the first two hours you warm the glass to room temp and put it under the bowl for 2 more hours, it should then be dry enough to use.


Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 04:05
No 4300
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

In some offline discussions we determined that the nalgene aspirators are not suitable for freebase oil distillation, no?  What othrer brands/models will pull 20 mmHg?  Are there any high performance aspirators in the $50-$60 range that will pull 10 mmHg or less with ice cold water?

zool

"You get what you settle for." 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Newbee)
05-15-00 05:00
No 4332
User Picture  		      Re: mixing ingredients     

Worlock, using reflux is it possible to use e freebase instead of Hcl? 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Newbee)
05-15-00 06:00
No 4354
User Picture  		      Re: Plastic Push Pull tanks     

BLOOD seems to be very concerned about emphasizing he does not break the law.

Hmmmmmmm? 		 
 
 
 
    HAPIAZ
(Stranger)
05-15-00 06:15
No 4357
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

Try this,
I am told on good authority that it works but its a lot of work and pretty messy.
Soak strikers in methanol 12 to 24 hours, shaking as often as possible. Stuff soaks right off without dissolving paper or paints.
With rubber gloves on, work the strikers through fingers to rub off last of redP and discard the cardboard bits.
Strain solution through an old pair of pantyhose to remove lumps & any paper.
Filter, discard methanol & keep stuff in filter.
Place the filtered solids in toluene in a pyrex dish and boil lightly for about 15 minutes.
Filter & let dry.
Place in muriatic acid, stir then let soak for 30 minutes or so.
Filter.
Wash with a little dH2O to remove HCl.
Place in pyrex dish with strong lye solution and boil for around 2 hrs. Gives off a lot of sulphurous fumes and forms a black scum on the surface.
Let cool, skim off the black stuff & discard.
Decant most of the lye solution off.
Add fresh dH2O and boil for 30 minutes.
Let cool & decant again.
Add more fresh dH2O and boil a little more.
Let cool & decant again, then dry by whatever means.
A final wash with a little acetone, dry and youve got yourself some pretty handy RP.
This method stinks, is a right pain in the arse but produces a pretty good substitute for real RP. 		 
 
 
 
    Hansje
(Stranger)
05-15-00 11:11
No 4420
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

Structurally PMMA differs from PMA like Meth from amphetamine and like MDMA from MDA: one amino-H substituted by a methyl.
Don't know about the difference in action, but I think (not quite sure) PMMA is not a very safe and/or interesting substance. If it would be safe and interesting, I suppose it would be readily available, because it is easily syntesized from -unwatched and dead cheap- anethole.

Hansje Pansje Kevertje..... 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-15-00 11:27
No 4421
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

Read it again, my equation is correct.
One molecule of H2O2 oxidises 2 molecules of HI, forming 2 H2O and I2. 		 
 
 
 
    repolina
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 11:57
No 4428
User Picture  		      Re: ephedrine sulfate     

what if swim had this in pill form....can it beee used???

repolina 		 
 
 
 
    KrZ
(Stranger)
05-15-00 14:48
No 4464
User Picture  		      Post deleted by KrZ     

 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Newbee)
05-15-00 15:22
No 4469
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

Well a FOAF was making NH4Cl by adding conc. HCl to household ammonia.  Blah blah NH4Cl blah blah don't inhale :)
but now he has a 6 percent NH4Cl in dilute HCl solution.  So how best to evap off the water.  It pits aluminum, so what is the best way to evap off 1 L of water? 		 
 
 
 
    Hansje
(Stranger)
05-15-00 15:27
No 4471
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

If you already have a pump that reaches 80 mm Hg (roughly a 10:1 pressure ratio between out- and inlet) you could buy one of these "shitty" cheap aspirators, connect it to the outlet of your fridge compressor pump and easily reach a (better than) 10 mm Hg vacuum.

Hansje Pansje Kevertje..... 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 15:48
No 4474
User Picture  		      Re: Electochemistry     

Title : "Elektro-organische Chemie - Grundlagen und Anwendungen"
Author: Fritz Beck
Akademie-Verlag Berlin
1974

I couldn't find an ISBN number, only a licence number: 202.100/571/74
and an order number : 7618967 (6157) . LSV 1215. Maybe these are useful.

Printed in the (former) GDR.

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 15:58
No 4476
User Picture  		      Re: Best sources of gbl     

Take a look at a post I made the other day. GBL can be made by oxidizing THF.
Post 3958 (Fuchem: "Oxidation of THF to GBL from Tetrahedron Letters", Chemistry Discourse)
AND GODDAMNIT, somebody please post a comment about it! Let me know if you hate it, like it, whatever. I have a stack of journal refs ready to type up (I really need a scanner!) but am hesitant to do so if they are unneeded or not useful. Perhaps I will post a message listing the refs and let y'all vote on them BEFORE I type up another.  Forgive me if I'm sounding bitchy, I'm not, I'm just a little pissy, that's allsmile! 		 
 
 
 
    craig420
(Stranger)
05-15-00 16:02
No 4478
User Picture  		      Re: 4-aco-dipt?     

www.erowid.com has a writeup on it 		 
 
 
 
    johnboy
(Stranger)
05-15-00 16:34
No 4483
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

thank you all for this info.

just so i've got this straight PMA = 4-MTA ?
same chemical, different name?

and no i wouldnt know why anyone would bother either, but sadly some fuckers are pumping out PMA pills in oz and selling them as MDMA. it seems like a single pill (dose about 80mg) wont kill you but 4 or so probably will...

[url]http://www.bluelight.nu[url] oz/asia region 		 
 
 
 
    Cheapskate
(Stranger)
05-15-00 16:40
No 4484
User Picture  		      Re: Anthranilic Acid     

It wouldn't bother me a bit if your method works, it does bother me that I can't get it to work.  The real proof of a particular method is when someone else gets it to work.  Just saying they didn't follow directions is not an answer.

I'm irritated by the fact that out of a couple of hundred tries only a very few worked and never twice in a row.  There's something I'm missing here and I just haven't found it yet.

Anyone need some nasty black sticky plastic? 		 
 
 
 
    examine
(Stranger)
05-15-00 16:47
No 4487
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

snelle ,
 MeOH you can get at "Beversport" it's for camping gear (check for iodine too !!)
mail me for more info...

ex-amine

(**) 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Newbee)
05-15-00 17:09
No 4493
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

As usual, you are right Osmium. I was very tierd last night and I just couldnt make sense of it. Now after sleeping, I can see the equation. In your equation, you say I2 is produced, is it 1 ion of I2 that is produced or is it 2 ions I2?

Here my equation:
2(KI)+ 2(HCl)===>>2(KCl)+2(HI)+ H202===>>2(KCl)+2(I2)+2(H2O) 		 
 
 
 
    Stonium
(Moderator)
05-15-00 17:18
No 4498
User Picture  		      Re: Journal Refs-MDMA Use and Effects     

What are you saying Ex, I think I got that article here too, but I didn't put it up.

JADED

Stonium 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Newbee)
05-15-00 17:33
No 4501
User Picture  		      Re: remote mountain lab and storage of chems     

I didnt think redP reacts with O2?!?!

If so, then why doesnt it react when left out to dry on a plate? why dont the srtike pads on matches spontaneously react on the store shelfs? What is this "reaction" you are refering to? Are ya thinking of white P maybe?

I would like to emphasize that I dont not have any lab anywhere. This is a hypothetical discussion about a hypothetical mountain/outdoor lab.

hypotheticaly, the red is already double bagged, taped and in a plastic jar that holds H2O. No nitro was used, will anything bad happen to the imaginary person who opens it, or will the red be unusable? 		 
 
 
 
    Hansje
(Stranger)
05-15-00 18:26
No 4521
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

Chopper_: Now you have me curious too!
I think 4-MTA is just the result of the quest for substituted amphetamines that have not yet been scheduled.
It wasn't exactly cheap (~$10/125mg: more expensive than MDMA!) here, so I figure the manufacturers could throw in an extra synthesis step or two.
What also had me wondering is that 4-MTA is the first of the long series of would-be MDMA substitutes that does not appear in PiHKAL. So someone must have found it in some medical or pharmaceutical paper or....?
BTW: I bet you can find a lot of info about adding a methylthio to a ring in PiHKAL's 2-C-T section.

Hansje Pansje Kevertje..... 		 
 
 
 
    Coitus
(Newbee)
05-15-00 19:14
No 4530
User Picture  		      Re: legitimate uses of pottasium permanganate     

Water Softeners......I got some from sears, I'n the Water Softner section. That was a few years ago.



Coitus

Formerly know as Joe uGly 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-15-00 20:15
No 4558
User Picture  		      Re: MDA synth     

Trust Osmium, I believe he has tried the reaction and found out that the yield was very low. I just speculated, and found no apparent reason why It wouldn't work just like with methylamine.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Newbee)
05-15-00 20:26
No 4566
User Picture  		      Re: 5-MeO-DiPT and harmala     

URL please?

Thnaks,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 20:29
No 4569
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

Check out ecstasy.org for a writeup on 4MTA by the inventor.
Rhodium has a link to this one on his link-page/pharmacology archive somewhere.

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 20:34
No 4575
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

If you dont know yourself then STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM FREON. nothing but HCl can attatch the HCl onto whatever the fuck your putting it on. Freon will not put HCl on shit because it is not HCl it is freon. Get it?

I cant believe I actually used to be as ignorant as this! 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-15-00 20:56
No 4587
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

Damn...someone needs a bump...It's ok to think about alternative gasses, just be informed on traceable sources!!!If you could 'walk off' with one of these sources, you might do it that way---of course you'd have to 'borrow' a friggen forklift as well...or bring 3 or 4 really strong friends!!!
 As you can see, you're looking at a 250lb. container that stands about 5' tall and is 24-36" in diameter. Not an easy thing to hide!! Keep all options open, due to the fact that SOMEONE(?) has to have an uncle in the position to have some of this stuff around the shop or biz that he won't miss a few siphoned off squirts, but it would have to be done close to this container, as you can't repackage this HIGHLY CORROSIVE gas w/o losing something: volume of gas, skin off your hide, etc...

as for freon? If you could use freon for anything, I'm with Meth on that one...not a good idea because the compound ain't worth shit when it comes to synths and what you're intending on trying w/ it...

Stay TighT bro   XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-15-00 21:15
No 4595
User Picture  		      Re: legitimate uses of pottasium permanganate     

Meth man, I've tried to find a good source on KMno4, but that shit is harder to find than a virgin inna whore house! I tried  contacting Sears here locally, even went to several farmer's co-op's, hardware stores, and even chemical suppliers around here...ones that will carry red P, but not KMno4!!!go figure!

If you do come up with a place to find this shit, and it's a major chain of suppliers that I can find one of their stores where I am, PLEASE, let me in on it...I need to go cold on my synths instead of the wat I dream of making my shit now...

Stay TighT bro   XXX 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-15-00 21:20
No 4599
User Picture  		      Re: how to make diethylsulfate ?     

The SECOND last century, you mean ;)

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Newbee)
05-15-00 22:37
No 4625
User Picture  		      Re: Isolating a salt from a solution     

what is the best way for someone with standard kitchen apparatus to evap roughly 500 mL of acetone MeOH.  Without making a lot of chemical fumes.  Could an electric hotplate w/ something on top, outdoors work.  What would be good to put on top.

Thanx rhodium
Alphabeta121 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Newbee)
05-15-00 22:50
No 4630
User Picture  		      Re: Short reaction time     

edited 		 
 
 
 
    neville
(Stranger)
05-15-00 22:52
No 4631
User Picture  		      Re: legitimate uses of pottasium permanganate     

here you just walk into the chemist (drugstore ) and pick up a 100gm bottle of crystals for 12$ 		 
 
 
 
    damo
(Stranger)
05-15-00 22:53
No 4632
User Picture  		      Re: questions     

that would be to use clean decent grade chemicals, and how to spell 'answer' :) 		 
 
 
 
    neville
(Stranger)
05-15-00 22:55
No 4633
User Picture  		      Re: legitimate uses of pottasium permanganate     

hey explosive chem man how about you swap me 1kg of red P for a kg of KMnO4 ? 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 22:55
No 4634
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

relax amphibian dont get your fucking panties in a bunch you sound like my ex-girlfriend thats why shes an ex
I was just asking a simple question as dumb as it might be it was just a question

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    Hippocampus
(Stranger)
05-15-00 23:56
No 4656
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

I heard a die grinder works mighty fine. 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 01:37
No 4710
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

oh dont worry you didnt hurt my feelings in the least in fact it was you that i thought was getting worked up!
but anyway i do appreciate the advice i will make sure i note it thanx
:)

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 01:42
No 4717
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

Shit Dogg, you could always huff the freon. Jus' dont freeze your lips. Tank upright, gas. Tank upside down, liquid. You want the gas. Just remember to breathe air every once in a while. On second thought, run down to the headshop and grab some whippets. 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 01:44
No 4719
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

On second thought, fuck that. Back in the good old days, R-12 was one of the most common referigerants around (i.e., in the air conditioners at school). I have no idea what ref you have. Forget it. 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 03:30
No 4771
User Picture  		      Re: ph is 13 now what?     

I don't use toluene but it sounds like you need to heat the whole thing up in order for the non polar the suck up the cottage cheese(freebase). 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 04:09
No 4795
User Picture  		      Re: ph is 13 now what?     

Depends where you live as to what you use. I could do with some toluene for my pill cleanups but as for a nonpolar solvent in an a b extraction I use a petrolium distilate called Shellite. I think its an oz thing. The toluene should be better for this though. 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 04:11
No 4796
User Picture  		      Re: ph is 13 now what?     

The shit in your coffe filters should be Freebase ephedrine.
Just wash that withwater and presto. If you want the salt though you will have to disolve in toluene and gas or add hcl 		 
 
 
 
    Jump
(Stranger)
05-16-00 04:29
No 4801
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

Gemini...



Actually, after the rxn , the chili in the flask was probably around 1 or 2...but I don't know, because I didn't check the ph of the chili directly, ..which I will from now on.. ..I  filtered off the rp, mixed in some dh20 , filtered again..added a total of about 400 ml of dh20....got excited, it had a nice golden color..then squirted some NaOh in.. I  remember the ph shooting up fast..I saw 3, then 4...I left the ph meter in the flask for a minute to settle , and THEN it was about 8-9...after checking, I took the ph to 13....then put the lye/meth water in the sep, and added the Toulene layer....

I think my problem was not getting all the wax & other crap outta the psuedo red hots...although Povidone was not a listed ingredient on the box, I wonder if it was there anyway.

the resulting meth from this "non-rxn" tasted ok, and the effect on the body is somewhat "speedy", but it has a  "fear in the gut" ,teeth-grinding dissociative feeling,  not what I would call great crank. Maybe it''s ..heh..underdone.....



Thanks again for your help...I wish all the old posts were back!


Jump 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 05:30
No 4831
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

All this talk about sheep. I thought I was joking when I said ausie bees fucked sheep, but you people talk about it like pimpin' hoes. I guess it's true.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    Bwiti
(Stranger)
05-16-00 05:35
No 4832
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

If an evil chemist wanted to go from codeine to morphine, or oxycodone, what role would the caffeine contaminant play?? Would it be destroyed before an end product was obtained?? 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Stranger)
05-16-00 07:32
No 4870
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

couldn't you just distill the acid out of battery water?


-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 08:51
No 4907
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

atomic pickle
you wont some sheep black or white 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Newbee)
05-16-00 09:19
No 4918
User Picture  		      Re: Best sources of gbl     

Why dont you just synth it from BDO 1,4 it shouldnt be that hard....or let me refrase that I only looked at it for a minute a long time ago... I dont remember it being that hard. 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Stranger)
05-16-00 10:14
No 4934
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

They're both polar, but there might be other things in denatured alcohol that's non-polar. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-16-00 10:36
No 4937
User Picture  		      Re: Isolating a salt from a solution     

Such amounts of solvents should be distilled away. 500ml of solvent vapour is a lot of stink and it's dangerous. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-16-00 10:48
No 4939
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

Arrrgh! shocked
Ok newbees, go out and buy some used chemistry books. Do some reading and then come back and ask again.

What happens when you dissolve KI and muriatic acid (HCl) in water? You will end up a solution consisting of K(+), H(+), Cl(-) and I(-). These are all ions. One can not tell how this solution was made, dissolving HI and KCl in water will produce the same solution. There is absolutely no reason for "HI" to form in solution, HCl and HI are both very strong acids which are completely dissociated (H(+) and X(-)) in solution anyway. You can't make KCl and HI out of that mixture, there just is no easy way to seperate them.

And I2 is not an ion.

Enough answers, go and get some basic books. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-16-00 10:55
No 4942
User Picture  		      Re: Wacking other oils     

According to Randolph Carter and at least one ref you can wack propenylbenzenes too. You might end up with a mixture, but the desired P2P will predominate. 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 11:40
No 4946
User Picture  		      Re: Aqua Pure Iodine Tablets?     

Sure.

"You get what you settle for." 		 
 
 
 
    DementedAngel
(Newbee)
05-16-00 11:50
No 4948
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

now I'm confuzzled...   I thought acetone was non-polar since meth wont dissolve in it.

DA



--Science is truth found out; the truth can be made up if you know how. 		 
 
 
 
    DementedAngel
(Newbee)
05-16-00 12:07
No 4955
User Picture  		      Re: ph 7.0     

around here Ace Hardware has it.  Citric Acid works, but resulting product isnt as good - imho.

DA


--Science is truth found out; the truth can be made up if you know how. 		 
 
 
 
    Homer
(Stranger)
05-16-00 12:27
No 4961
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

ok, SWIM washed his 25mg eph 120of-um, pretty good eph 3 lil pills & SWIM jitter's for a few hours.  They are little. washed & had a clear sol. of eph & water.  Then they mixed 7.43gm of Kmn04 & water (DH20). Put both in freezer til thin layer of ice formed & took out, the ice melted. Measured 15 mils & mixed w/ 250ml DH20. mixed the two & placed in fridge over night (using minature yager bottle 50ml) to measure ml's. Took out the next morning, added 50ml of IPA. About 30min's later it seperated nicely. Filtered & then acified it. about 5drops.  Evaped a small portion & poof it was gone. Thought for a min, hmm... wtf so I tried to evap more still dried clear. Figuring they screwed up they set it aside. SWIM got there lawnmower out & noticed the plate sitting there & there was this bitter tasting goo in there. Came back to the hive to read & read some more. Keep in mind my scales were on there last leg.  They are now in scale heaven, had to put-um down. It was like a scene from ol"yeller.  Had them thing's for a long while. One shot to the # then sang dixie! 		 
 
 
 
    Homer
(Stranger)
05-16-00 12:29
No 4963
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

SWIM heard that eph instead of psudo is better. Is it? 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-16-00 12:34
No 4964
User Picture  		      Re: Oxidation of Eph. with MnO2     

DISCLAIMER : THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES OR ACADEMIC STUDY ONLY. CHECK YOUR LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS, AND PROCURE THE NECESSARY PERMITS BEFORE UNDERTAKING ANY OF THE REACTIONS DESCRIBED BELOW. WIZARD X  SHALL NOT BE HELD LIABLE AND INDEMNIFIED FROM IMPEACHMENT FOR THE USE, MISUSE, INJURY, DEATH, IMPRISIONMENT OR FELLATION DUE TO THE APPLICATION OF THIS INFORMATION.

METHCATHINONE FROM MANGANESE(IV)DIOXIDE (MnO2) OXIDATION OF EPHEDRINE

Ephedrine can be oxidizes to Methcathinone with manganese dioxide (MnO2) in anhydrous diethyl ether when freebase ephedrine is used, or anhydrous chloroform when ephedrine hydrochloride is used.

C6H5-(CHOH)-CH(NHCH3)-CH3 + MnO2 ====>> C6H5-(CO)-CH(NHCH3)-CH3 + H2O + MnO


The usefulness of this catalytic dehydrogenation reaction is it can convert hydroxy (-OH) groups to aldehydes or ketones for many compounds contaning a hydroxy (-OH) group on a benzylic or allylic position. The oxidation of allylic and benzylic alcohols of primary and secondary position using manganese(IV) dioxide is a heterogeneous reaction, and the detailed mechamism is unknown. The success depends on the freshness of the oxide and anhydrous conditions. With freshly prepared anhydrous oxide the yields may be high and the oxidation selective. It has been suggested that a possible mechanism may be :

[ 1 ] R-CH2-OH + MnO2 ====>> R-CHO + H2O + MnO

[ 2 ] H2O + MnO ====>> MnO2 + H2

but it is uncertain whether H2O is formed first or there is a straight H2 abstraction.

Benzylic Position :

C6H5-(CHOH)-CH(NHCH3)-CH3 + MnO2 ====>> C6H5-(CO)-CH(NHCH3)-CH3 + H2 + MnO2

C6H5-CH2-OH + MnO2 ====>> C6H5-CHO + H2 + MnO2

Allylic Position :

C6H5-CH=CH-CH2-OH + MnO2 ====>> C6H5-CH=CH-CHO + H2 + MnO2

C6H5-CH2-CH(OH)-CH=CH2 + MnO2 =====>> C6H5-CH2-C(O)-CH=CH2 + H2 + MnO2


PREPARATION OF HIGH ACTIVITY MANGANESE(IV)DIOXIDE (MnO2)

SOLUTION 1 : Make a solution of 223 grams (1 mole) of manganese(II)sulphate tetrahydrate (MnSO4.4H2O) or 169 grams (1 mole) of the manganese(II)sulphate monohydrate (MnSO4.H2O) in 300 mls of distilled water.

SOLUTION 2 : 240 mls (2.5 mole) of a 40 % sodium hydroxide solution.
A 40 % sodium hydroxide solution can be made by adding 400 grams of sodium hydroxide to 1 liter of distilled water.

ADD SIMULTANEOUSLY during 1 hour, solutions 1 & 2, to a hot stirred solution of 190 grams (1.2 mole) of potassium permanganate (KMnO4) in 1200 mls  of distilled water.[NOTE1] Continue stirring for another 1 hour. Isolate the dark brown to black MANGANESE(IV)DIOXIDE (MnO2) precipitate with filtration and wash thoroughly with water until the washing are colourless. Dry the  product at 100 - 120 deg C and grind finely.[NOTE2] Dry again to ensure complete anhydrous manganese(II)dioxide. Store in an air tight container away from light.


[NOTE1] Rinse the flasks of solutions 1 & 2 with a little distilled water into the potassium permanganate solution.

[NOTE2] The wet manganese(II)dioxide precipitate can also be dried by azeotropic distillation in 25 gram portion with 150 mls of benzene. Suck the wet manganese(II)dioxide precipitate with good suction prior to azeotropic distillation.


GENERAL PROCEDURE

Dissolve 0.01 moles of ephedrine hydrochloride into 300 mls of anhydrous chloroform or 0.01 of ephedrine freebase into 300 mls of anhydrous diethyl ether in a 500 mls flask. Add 10 grams of manganese(II)dioxide, stopper and stir with sufficient speed, with a magnetic stirrer so that the manganese(II)dioxide is evenly distributed throughout the solvent. The solvent should become black with manganese(II)dioxide particles as the stirring vortex of the solvent keeps the manganese(II)dioxide suspended in solution. Stir for 2 hours at 25 deg C. Filter to remove the manganese(II)dioxide, rinse the flask and the manganese(II)dioxide on the filter paper with a little fresh solvent. The filtered manganese(II)dioxide can be re-activated by heating at 100 - 120 deg C. Evaporate the solvent off or better still, distil the solvent off so it can be recycled. [NOTE3] The yield is 60-75 %

[NOTE3] If ephedrine hydrochloride is used with chloroform and the solvent  is distilled off, then methcathinone hydrochloride is left in the distillation flask. If ephedrine freebase is used with diethyl ether and the solvent is distilled off, then methcathinone freebase is left in the distillation flask. The methcathinone freebase can be converted to the hydrochloride with dry HCl gas.


SOLVENT TO USE

EPHEDRINE HCl, C10H15NO.HCl molecular weight  MW = 201.73 grams/mole

EPHEDRINE FREEBASE, C10H15NO molecular weight  MW = 165.23 grams/mole
The freebase has a melting point 40 deg C with a ½ H2O. The boiling point is 225 deg C.


If Ephedrine Hydrochloride is used then anhydrous chloroform or isopropyl alcohol is used.

If Ephedrine Freebase is used then anhydrous diethyl ether, benzene or toluene is used. 		 
 
 
 
    DementedAngel
(Newbee)
05-16-00 13:09
No 4978
User Picture  		      Re: meth manufacture     

LittleEv:  Simple way to meth...

Get diagnosed as having ADD with narcolepsy and get a script from your doctor for Desoxyn.

DA

5 more posts to go to regain my HiveBee status, Woohoo!! :)



--Science is truth found out; the truth can be made up if you know how. 		 
 
 
 
    ozbee
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 15:04
No 5011
User Picture  		      Re: ph is 13 now what?     

Sounds like ya got it sortted to me mate . Well done . Go for it

Backyard chemistry
down under with ozbee 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 15:10
No 5012
User Picture  		      Re: Codeine --> Morphine     

? 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-16-00 15:37
No 5026
User Picture  		      Re: Isolating a salt from a solution     

Buy one. Or improvise one. 		 
 
 
 
    Teonanacatl
(Stranger)
05-16-00 18:18
No 5080
User Picture  		      Re: Botched Foxy     

If you do conclude that you've ended up with a quat. salt (steric reasons make this seem unlikely, but I've never seen direct results for foxy...) why not try dealkylating with ethanolamine?

R4N+  +  NH2CH2CH2OH --> R3N + RNH2(+)CH2CH2OH

The freedom to say 2+2=4... 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Stranger)
05-16-00 18:43
No 5092
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

Polarity has to do with dipole directions and the inductive effect, which is electron movement through sigma bonds to the more electronegative species.  So then, many more compounds are more polar than water, think of HF for instance, it has a huge dipole to the F anion and thus is very polar.  But if all that means nothing to you then think of which compounds have alot of carbon in them, they are almost always non-polar, because a C-C bond is equal EN 		 
 
 
 
    bornagainpagan
(Stranger)
05-16-00 18:52
No 5095
User Picture  		      Re: ph 7.0     

Thanks fellas will look around alittle harder this time
apprectiate the alt. info as well.

Lawz without victims serve no purpose other than to increase crime. 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Newbee)
05-16-00 19:51
No 5126
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

nope no analogue act..

muahaha... 		 
 
 
 
    dpHarma
(Stranger)
05-16-00 20:26
No 5144
User Picture  		      Re: back & impressed/confused     

Nice to see you again TOO you sweet fragrant patootie.

Bye the way guy, I have some updates to the "Jesus Christ I know" thread, why don't you put it back for awhile. I KNOW you were really enjoying that thread.

Howzse yer BP these days?

I still maintain nobody luvs ya' like dpHarma duz.


dpHarma 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Newbee)
05-16-00 20:37
No 5151
User Picture  		      Re: GBL<-->GHB?     

GBL doesnt every solute in water its like mixing oil and water. I recommend if your leaving it sitting around you shake it up before taking any if its in water, so that the bottom of the solution doesn't knock you out cold. 		 
 
 
 
    hispimpness
(Newbee)
05-16-00 21:55
No 5209
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

Perhaps you should re-read the Methcathinone faq carefully.  It goes to explain two ways of measuring the KMnO4.  The first is without a scale, and uses the fine are of solubitity.  The second is with a scale and it tells you exactly how much to use (which is not 7.43 grams).  Make sure you read your info carefully, as that will save you time, money, and drugs.

Hispimpness

(Sleeps well with others) 		 
 
 
 
    Phreaky
(Stranger)
05-16-00 22:26
No 5223
User Picture  		      Re: GBL<-->GHB?     

What can I dilute it with then??? 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Newbee)
05-16-00 22:28
No 5224
User Picture  		      Re: white cross are easy E?     

Alphabeta,

Those the ones with guafenesin in them?

If so your gonna want to get yourself some chloroform for a solvent extraction.


-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 23:03
No 5243
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

Osmium in my post i was not suggesting adding Hcl to the equation at all. I know I have asked this on the old hive.
I can't see why and iodide ine the reaction wouldn't get recycled back into I2 and so on and so on.
Anyway to cut a long story short this chinese bloke called sum cunt does this and if his shit ain't crystal meth then what the fuck is! 		 
 
 
 
    mrvegas
(Stranger)
05-16-00 23:31
No 5255
User Picture  		      Re: Hash Oil write up - Methyl Man     

Here's a ghetto technique a friend of friend likes to use when confronted with everyone's favorite strain of cannabis, cannabis sativa var. mexi SCHWAG!  In a sealable container immerse the ganga in grain alcohol and shake a lot.  Let it sit for a while shacking every once in a while.  Then drain off the alcohol, and if you'd like repeat.  Take the liquid, and heat gently on an ELECTRIC range (come on people use your heads don't do this with a natural gas range).  As the alcohol evaporates you'll be left with a potent green syrup.  Enjoy.  Oh yeah, the left over plant material can still be used in cooking

Duck tape is like the Force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 		 
 
 
 
    hispimpness
(Newbee)
05-17-00 00:24
No 5279
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Use your internet search engine and look up Methamphetamine FAQ.  I think there is one on Rhodium's site.

(Sleeps well with others) 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Stranger)
05-17-00 00:48
No 5296
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

Acetone is heavier than water, water is soluble in acetone.  We commonly use acetone in a lab to quickly dry out grad. cylinders.  Its heavier cause C3H6O is 58 g/mol while water is 18 g/mol 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Newbee)
05-17-00 01:29
No 5336
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

Hey kid your a moody bas--rd ain't cha!!!mad

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Throb
(Stranger)
05-17-00 01:47
No 5348
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

That's untrue.  You don't know which layer is on top between acetone and water: their both colorless and miscible.  Also the density is another thing you have to consider, not only the mass.  If you want to know which layer is on top of two non-miscible solutions, look at the density.  Density is usually in term of g/mL.

I don't really know why a molecule have a higher density than another one tho.  Maybe it has to do with the orientation in space of the molecule and/or the bonds between molecules (hydrogen bridges, van der walls, induction effect, dipole-dipole, etc.).

Hope it helps,

Throb 		 
 
 
 
    Throb
(Stranger)
05-17-00 01:50
No 5350
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C at home     

Hmm, I would like to know too.  Please post it here anyone. smile

Throb 		 
 
 
 
    hispimpness
(Newbee)
05-17-00 02:35
No 5387
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

well you should filter all the liquid, but don't disturb that sludge.  Even if some of the liquid has brown in it, fiter until clear, the acidify and evap.

hispimpness

(Sleeps well with others) 		 
 
 
 
    LittleEv
(Stranger)
05-17-00 03:04
No 5407
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Thanks bro 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-17-00 03:58
No 5441
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

i agree with delta, the 24/40 is ultimate in standardized glassware.  24/40 has adapters to adjust to many other sizes also (just in case it's hard -laughs- to find a piece in 24/40) plus the 24/40 generally allow for all proportions of reactions between microscale and industrial. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-17-00 04:01
No 5443
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

the stuff in nail polish remover is acetone, and yes xylene/xylol work just as well as toluene- the pink elephant up the hill was forced into using this once, worked just fine for him.  		 
 
 
 
    LittleEv
(Stranger)
05-17-00 04:04
No 5446
User Picture  		      Re: does this work     

Thanks dementedangel 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-17-00 04:07
No 5447
User Picture  		      Re: iodine question     

anytime you let a solution of iodine sit out for anywhere from a couple of hours to days, the iodine will escape into the atmosphere, just as though it were in solid form and sublimed.  to prevent this, just cover the container, i don't think that you need a completely air tight lid, just a piece of al foil to plastic wrap 		 
 
 
 
    LittleEv
(Newbee)
05-17-00 04:41
No 5478
User Picture  		      Re: where can i find x     

just like iudexk said   -------------->x 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Stranger)
05-17-00 05:34
No 5528
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

Ok, Rhodium, so if using acetic anhydride, should one disolve in 10 x volume of methanol, add 2 x molar ammount of acetic anhydride, and then reflux?  How long on tha reflux?  Thanks my main mastermind :) 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Stranger)
05-17-00 06:59
No 5575
User Picture  		      Re: Petroleum Ether     

Just buy it, it's not watched. 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Stranger)
05-17-00 08:35
No 5612
User Picture  		      Re: new to distilling...need pratice     

About the DCM. If it's with MeOH. You can extract the MeOH with water, then dry the DCM with your regular MgSO4 or whatever.

Practice distilling on cheap wine. Notice that, this could be illegal in some countries.


-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:03
No 5628
User Picture  		      Re: GBL<-->GHB?     

GBL does dissolve in water. You can dilute it with water, no problem at all. It does not dissolve well in strong GHB solutions, because of the salting out effect. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:18
No 5634
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

You can't do this reaction in MeOH, because the MeOH will react with the anhydride forming methyl acetate.

Acetic anhydride will decompose to acetic acid on contact with water. That's how you separate it. Or you could use a bigger excess of AA, distill the excess off after the reaction (vacuum!), and proceed from there.
Pour it into an excess of water, wait some time and extract your oil. Wash with diluted weak base like NaHCO3 to deacidify, dry and evaporate the extraction solvent. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:19
No 5636
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

I've never seen white MDP2P, even when distilled twice over a column. It was always yellow. 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-17-00 10:20
No 5637
User Picture  		      Re: white cross are easy E?     

sorry about the confusion had a few too many drinks... I apoligize... 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:21
No 5638
User Picture  		      Re: base?     

Newbee forum question. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:28
No 5640
User Picture  		      Re: acetylchloride from acetamide ?     

I don't think it works. Never heard of such a reaction. 		 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Stranger)
05-17-00 11:22
No 5655
User Picture  		      Re: Acteldehyde     

Wiz. I was under the impression that this followed a grignards mech, but I am wrong it seems.Is it not done with an ether solvent and magnesium metal? From my studies, OMgX is formed at the carbonyl group.Infact the grignards ive seen go to the alcohol, rather than the ketone.A grignard does not work on the free radical mech, but you say this does.I do not doubt you , I am in need of a little enlightment please. 		 
 
 
 
    spx9rs
(Stranger)
05-17-00 14:11
No 5703
User Picture  		      (empty)     

 
 
 
 
    demenace
(Stranger)
05-17-00 19:48
No 5804
User Picture  		      Re: Separating GBL     

But can we alter the 1-methyl-2-pyrrolidinone into something more palatible or non-injurious. 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Stranger)
05-17-00 20:03
No 5811
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

Is this the same PMA that is suggested as a practice synthesis in the psudonitrosite file on rhodium's page? 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-17-00 20:13
No 5816
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C at home     

I was being a smartass.  It was a play on the ambiguity of your first post (referring to books on the whole subject, or books on KrZ's method) Didn't work.  I guess that makes me a dumbass instead.   Never mind.

Anyway, if no one know's the KraZy man's method or has the link, what are some other refs.  definitely interested in more info on the electroless deposition.

zool



"Every man believes he has his own good reason." 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Stranger)
05-17-00 20:21
No 5821
User Picture  		      Re: Nanotech - Still using reagents are you ?!     

Has anyone here read K. Eric Drexler's "Engines of Creation"? It is a very interesting book...outlines how assemblers and replicators will function and the MANY uses they will have. They will completely impact the way in which human beings fuction. There will be no disease, because these little nanomachines will be inserted into the bloodstream and target specific virii, bacterium, or cancerous cells. It will change our economic system immensely. There will be no such thing as production value. Anything that is needed can be created from essentially nothing. There will be no need to rape the earth for natural resources. Space travel will become extremely easy and cheap....

I don't know if were ready for all that yet, though.
anyhow, it's a good book. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-17-00 20:31
No 5829
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

Acetic acid is a good solvent (if THC is soluble in it), otherwise I'd reccommend an ether, like diethyl ether or THF. Perhaps you could even use DCM.

You are supposed to reflux. The anhydride won't degrade as fast as it reacts with the THC.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    carlito
(Stranger)
05-17-00 20:34
No 5832
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker question     

BS,
Yeah I've read the doc, and seen the pictures, but the questions still remain.  For instance, the write up doesn't mention filtering out black pricipitate.  I just want to know if this should be done before or after the first H20/HCl wash.

Other comments on the document:
1.  First of all, thanks. It's the best one-source reference yet.
2. In step 3, it says :

Put the following into your CLEAN 500mL RBFlask:

"300mL of dimethylformamide (DMF), 50mL of tap water, 120g of p-Benzoquinone 2g
of Palladium Chloride PdCl2, Magnetic Stirbar. (PS-Don't skimp on the catalyst!)"

I found that if you're gonna drip your safrole/DMF into this flask, there is no way it's going to fit.  You need a 1 L RB flask.  You obviously need a WAY bigger flask if you then proceed to:
"The reaction mix was flooded with slightly acidic water (~50mL of Muratic Acid
(HCl) in 1.5L of water)."

So I'm assuming you take your rxn vessel after 7 hours and filter it through a buchner funnel into a large vessel, like a 2 liter flask, then flood this container with the H2O/HCl.  Then you can pour the aqueous layer into your sep funnel to do the DCM washes.

3.  It doesn't say anything about the filtered junk, and therefore doesn't mention anything about washing this junk.  I assume that the junk in the buchner funnel should be washed with dcm, to remove any goods, and that wash should be combined with your oil layer and other dcm washes.  Then this whole mash would be washed with NaOH to remove the hydroquinone. right?

4.  Any tips on cleaning all these flasks after you're done?
They're all black and gunky, and I was wondering what was the best method for cleaning them. Like, what solvents, and in what order? and can you do this in the sink safely?  That benzoquinone is pretty nasty.

BS - I know my questions are kinda dumb sometimes, but I'm just trying to get it all straight.  I'm getting pretty close and expect honey soon.  When I do I'll post a complete 'trials and tribulations' detailing any stumbling blocks and clarifications that I've discovered in following your excellent text.



Separate question:
I got some old Methylamine Hydrochloride, and I'm looking through the brown bottle, and I can see it's all in 1 big chunk.  Can I just knock chips off this block, or am I gonna have to preprocess it in some way.  It's some old shit, but I've heard it keeps well. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-17-00 20:56
No 5839
User Picture  		      Re: pseudo from allegra     

This belongs in the meth forum.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    michael
(Stranger)
05-17-00 21:14
No 5846
User Picture  		      Re: Ocotea albidum?     

It's just listed as N. American Sassafrass oil, nothing more specific than that.  Thanks for the answer! 		 
 
 
 
    dormouse
(Newbee)
05-17-00 21:44
No 5851
User Picture  		      Re: Ocotea albidum?     

I would assume that it was the same as S. albidum. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-17-00 22:01
No 5855
User Picture  		      Re: piperazine     

Benzylpiperazine?

Dissolve 0.1 mol piperazine and 0.1 mol HCl in DMF or Acetonitrile (or maybe acetone) and heat to reflux. Then add 0.1 mol benzyl chloride (dissolved in the same solvent) dropwise. Reflux for a while, evaporate the solvent, do an acid/base extraction and crystallize your BzP (if it isn't apparent it needs distillation).



.1 mol

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Hive Bee)
05-17-00 22:08
No 5857
User Picture  		      Re: Push/Pull Units     

Please if anyone could reply to this with some kind of info I would appreciate it!

Peace! 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-17-00 22:38
No 5866
User Picture  		      Re: Benzoquinone from hydroquinone...     

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/quinones.txt

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Stranger)
05-18-00 00:08
No 5884
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

cool that sounds better than the aa energizers i used in my last dream. so the duracells sound a lot better thanks for the advise guys. ive been haveing one problem, in my dream some one already had a bunch of nh3 and let me use it and it was all cool.does anyone know where to get the shit, cause the wally world shit didnt work from what another bee told me? and the smell in that dream was from energizer aa and i think not for sure but maby it was sulfuric acid it was some black powder shit who knows? 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 00:57
No 5902
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C at home     

i think there is a method on rhodiums site
i cant find it but if you do post it 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 01:39
No 5921
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

damn ID to buy glassware, i just get it from the LEARNING STORE in the mall 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Newbee)
05-18-00 02:09
No 5929
User Picture  		      Re: nitromethane     

Cute...

It's readily available at hobby stores...



use the search engine


-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 02:17
No 5936
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

heres everything:


the NH4Cl is a salt created when you add HCl to ammonia and then let the water evaporate.  If you just wanted to try the bug sprayer idea w/ NaOH and NH4Cl solution, it would generate a lot of heat, raising the amount of water in the output gas, possibly beyond the drying tubes ability. 



Back to square one.
One liter of house hold ammonia at contains roughly  50 grams of ammonia.  50 grams / 17 g/mol  (the molar mass of NH3) is about 3 moles of ammonia.  to make NH4Cl out of that you would need 3 moles of of H+ and conc. HCl is roughly 30% HCl.  one mole of HCl is 36.5 grams, so you'd need 36.5*3=108 grams of HCl / .30 (the conc. of conc. HCl) and you get 360 grams of conc. HCl. divided by the approximate density of conc. HCl.  The result is basically 290 mL.  Keep in mind, a lot of these constants were pulled out of my ass so this is pretty approximate.

What all this means is that you wanna add a lil less than 1 part conc. HCl for every three parts of household ammonia. 

Now don't go taking a pot and mixing NH3 and HCl, it gives off heat, HCl, and a fine dust of NH4Cl.
To do it appropriatly this is where your bug sprayer comes in handy as a gas tight container.  Fill up the sprayer about half way w/ household ammonia, then fill it to three quarters full w/ Conc. HCl and cap that basterd, set it in a cool water bath.  After 30 minutes of doing its thing.  Shake it quite a bit. Wait, then smell the container, if it smells like ammonia, add more HCl, if it smells like HCl move on to the next step.
Pour the solution into a glass bowl or pot or something, and heat it in a hot water bath until the HCl smell is not nearly as pungent. Then to evaporate the water add a ton of salt to the water bath (not the NH4Cl solution!!).  This will raise the boiling point of the bath above that of the NH4Cl solution thus it will boil off faster.  Once the NH4Cl crystals start forming, watch closely and remove it from heat once the waters gone.  Then these crystals you put in an air tight container until later.
So suppose you get 1000 grams of these crystals, that would be 1000 / (14+ 4 +35)  = 18.86 moles of Ammonium to be deprotonated, 18.86 moles of NaOH weighs (19 moles * 40 g/mol) or 760 grams.  the Ratio of Ammonium Chloride to NaOH is 10:8 You could add one to one by mass for simplicity.  Add a lil water to get it going, and bam, you better cap that sombitch cause its gunna start making ammonia gas like a well, sombitch.  This whole thing will make you roughly 323 grams of NH3 or in Common speak, almost 3/4 a pound of good NH3 (after its been passed through a shitload of drying agents)
To make 3/4 a pound of NH3 you will need roughly 6.5 Liters of household ammonia.  2 Liters of Conc. Ammonia.  1.75 pounds of NaOH and a lot of drying agent, I mean ALOT of drying agent.  If you use too little, you've wasted your time.


To review:
household NH3 to conc. HCl  about 3:1
NH4Cl to NaOH about 10:7 add more for certainty. NaOH is cheep.

Alphabeta121

DONT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL WITH THIS INFORMATION.  DONT EVEN DO THIS AT ALL. 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 02:33
No 5952
User Picture  		      Re: Thrift Stores...     

Antique shops rule for chem sets to you never know what you can find for cheap. One mans trash is another mans treasure. Uknowsmile

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Artful_Dodger
(Stranger)
05-18-00 02:35
No 5954
User Picture  		      Re: A sustainable source of safrole     

If only it were as easy as walking down to the shops and paying  US$4-6 a kilo crazy 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-18-00 02:46
No 5960
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Hey bro, what's up? Think of crank as what happens when you buy something from someone who's bought it from someone they got it from....the shit's been stomped on (cut for profit) so many times that it's like just snorting the damn mini-thin itself!     <--by the way, a bud of mine got hard up for a buzz and actually DID that.  OUCH!!! He was teary-eyed for 4 or 5 hours.....

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-18-00 03:08
No 5977
User Picture  		      Re: white cross are easy E?     

Hey Bro, I have heard of these and taken them for MY asthmatic condition as well.... I think you may have better luck getting if you could come across them without the Guaif-shit in them...they're out there--so says a biker friend of someone I used to know :-)

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-18-00 03:09
No 5978
User Picture  		      Re: Acteldehyde     

Chemman: You are right, but the reaction mechanism is different for grignards.

C6H5CH2MgCl + CH3CHO ==>> C6H5CH2CH(-OH)-CH3 + HOMgCl ==oxidation=>> C6H5CH2C(=O)-CH3 P2P

The other P2P synthesis is a radical mechanism which goes via Bond Dissociation Radical formation.
General Formula  A:B ==>> A. + .B

C6H5CH2:Cl ==>> C6H5CH2. + .Cl  285kJ/Mol or 166kCal/Mol 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Newbee)
05-18-00 04:37
No 5997
User Picture  		      Re: do I need to distill my ketone?     

Yes. Benzo produces a lot of gakk. Even after the NaOH washes it's still ICKY!

Distill! Your ketone should be crystal clear before aminating. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-18-00 04:56
No 6000
User Picture  		      Re: piperazine     

thanks for the info Rhodium.  Is there full synthesis on your page starting from the same?  Can BZP--->E?  Do you know of any trip reports for BZP? 		 
 
 
 
    Goldfinger
(Stranger)
05-18-00 05:03
No 6002
User Picture  		      Re: new to distilling...need pratice     

You only want to vacuum distill liquids that would otherwise decompose if you used simple distillation.This mostly applies to liquids that boil above 150 degrees celcius. Also, make sure that the difference in the bp's of the liquids is 25 degrees or more, otherwise you'll have to do a fractional vacuum distillation. All your glassware will require ground glass joints with vacuum grease. You said you had a stirring plate. You'll need a stirring bar to reduce the bumping that goes on in your heating flask. Vacuum distilling is fun, but it takes alot of work to set up properly. Remember, use vacuum grease, I broke a condenser one time trying to separate it from my adapter, and I also broke a ground glass-jointed thermometer when I substituted mineral oil grease for h.p. vacuum grease. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-18-00 05:09
No 6004
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

sorry about making such absolute statements about glassware fittings (usa)- i forgot about the ever-important euro-bees.  too bad the world doesn't run on one standard.  		 
 
 
 
    deltaT
(Stranger)
05-18-00 05:25
No 6011
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

Yeah, the european glassware situation is news to me too. Nearly every joint in every lab in the usa I've ever seen in 24/40. Thanks Rhodium and Osmium. 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Newbee)
05-18-00 08:49
No 6055
User Picture  		      Re: nitromethane     

The only thing I've seen in hobby shops that contain nitromethane is that funky pinkish looking fuel for remote control cars, and it only had 10% in it. If you're by a hot rod racing store, then you can get straight nitro from most of them.

____________________________

Society exists by chemical affinity, and not otherwise. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-18-00 10:23
No 6067
User Picture  		      Re: Benzoquinone from hydroquinone...     

Yes, because there always is an equilibrium between CrO4(2-) and Cr2O7(2-), which is dependent on pH. Acidic solutions will always contain predominantly dichromate, more basic solutions will contain chromate. As far as I know they are totally interchangeable, but you have to adjust the amount because of their different molar weights. 		 
 
 
 
    johnboy
(Stranger)
05-18-00 11:45
No 6083
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

ozbee: what is killing people is the fact that this is being sold as "ecstacy" and people are dosing as they would with MDMA. there is no defending these "chemists" its just a blatant money grabbing exercise. if they were sold as PMA and if there was info around for users then maybe it would alright... but they dont and there isnt...

sorry if i sound angry but i am,its not at you. but bad pills like this just keep putting back the cause of a sensible approach to MDMA 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 12:14
No 6090
User Picture  		      Re: A sustainable source of safrole     

I thought that was one of the most interesting parts of the article! 

I was also interested in the number of Piper species that contain safrole.

zool

"Every man believes he has his own good reason." 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-18-00 12:45
No 6094
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Is Dat why you have to have(read:CON) a Dr write out the Rx?....(or know someone who needs to lose some weight!!)
                    <smiiiiiii-iile>
Think : BlUe AnD ClEaRs....heee-yaaa!!!!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-18-00 13:16
No 6107
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

That's where I get my glassware from..the mall, a store called 'World of Science...will carry beakers, flasks and assorted other stuff. You will need to go somewhere else to get a condenser and specialty glass items, as they simply have no requests for stuff of that nature and therefore don't keep it regularly stocked. I imamgine they could special order it w/o the hassle of suspicion, but if you're anything like me, I need it when I need it...


---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    Weaselknot
(Stranger)
05-18-00 13:42
No 6124
User Picture  		      Re: white cross are easy E?     

Being "33mg ephedra extract" it probably is l-ephed, d-ephed, and some other stuff found in the ephedra plant (methylephedrine and pseudoephedrine to name a couple) 		 
 
 
 
    Nystagmus
(Stranger)
05-18-00 14:24
No 6131
User Picture  		      Re: Help with nh3 please     

Alphabeta, when you said conc. HCL how concentrated? I have some for my pool which is like 30% or so...Will this suffice or do I need to concentrate it some?  How much would you recommend and what procedure to concentrate it?  Thank all of you for being so helpful.

"Fly by Night" 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Stranger)
05-18-00 14:30
No 6134
User Picture  		      Re: Low down on pseudonitrosites     

Judex - another question, having read Randpoth Carters boiling acid reduction in the TMA synth. Apparently it will work on asarone, but would it also work with safrole?

Ritter in the theoretical section of TSII cautions against using a boiling acid reduction because it will tear up the methylenedioxy ring stucture. So is this method only good on precursers lacking the MD ring stucture?

I know alot of questions, just triing to avoid nightmares - any help appreciated.

Also known as antibody 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Newbee)
05-18-00 15:24
No 6149
User Picture  		      Re: A strange, possible, amphetamine synthesis     

Danke...

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    speedy69
(Stranger)
05-18-00 15:32
No 6150
User Picture  		      Re: Peroxide     

Here is the scoop on Hydrogen Peroxide...
the kind you buy at the drugstore for cuts etc. is 10volume or 3%. The type commonly bought to bleach or color ones hair is 20 volume = 6%.
The way to save money and trips to the store is to go into a beauty supply and ask for peroxide or developer(is what it is called in the beauty biz). It comes in all different stregnths from 10 volume up to 80 volume. 80 volume would of course = 24%. You can then adjust the strength to what you desire by adding equal parts of water.
one cup of 80 volume mixed with one cup of water = 2 cups of 40 volume.
80 volume is the highest i've seen in use in salons and that will burn the skin right off your head.
Stay away from cream "developers" as they have a bunch of additives to thicken the H2O2 so it doesnt run in the little old ladies eyes. 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-18-00 16:45
No 6177
User Picture  		      Re: BS synth ?s     

1.   Pour off the water layer, and then wash it a couple of times with DCM.
2.   Dillute it.   The reaction needs a specific amount of water.   The contaminant in 91% IPA (or ANY other alcohol) is water.    And this little amount is figured into the 'greater scheme'.
3.   The amounts of formamide v. Di-methformamide are the same.    IE... Use the same amount.

Good Luck!    Post your questions here!   
PS - Post questions before you 'dream about' the experiment!   Questions answered while dreaming can be haphazardly answered, or worse ... incorrect!

Bright Star



http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Newbee)
05-18-00 16:55
No 6180
User Picture  		      Re: 2-CB     

err yeah.. i had it written out with a different name, phenthylamine

not the deoxyamphetamine which was there..

hence my stupidity in the area of nomenclature ;) 		 
 
 
 
    Exsikkator
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 17:08
No 6187
User Picture  		      Re: Tracking down references     

i) A German bee can help you with that... hmmm. Maybe you would like to send them to me...
It depends on how long these articles actually are, but I could try to translate them for you.

ii) They will not laugh at you requesting these refs. If they are having access to STN International they can download/order copies from them. But I don´t know if they would do that for you (be nicewink). 

iii) At least the J. Prakt. Chem (= Journal of Applied Chemistry) we have at our university. I can check it out for you.

e:mail me at exsikkator@hushmail.com.


Cheers, Ex............
What´s a signature? 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-18-00 17:17
No 6189
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker question     

Thats really wierd.
Did you distill your 'sassy'?
What temp did it come over at?


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    FlamingMaggot
(Stranger)
05-18-00 18:08
No 6211
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

Here, lemme throw a wrench into your thread...

Have you considered dripping concentrated lye solution onto any one of several ammonia-based fertilizers, and then piping the evolved gas through a drying agent and into your flask immersed in dry ice and acetone/MeOH/IPA/etc?

Might be easier...

TIP: Don't listen to Blood (aka pink obsession). That girl is a spun monkey. That girl is whacked out. That girl thinks you can toss lithium and pfed into aqueous ammonia and call it toast. That girl has obviously been snorting too much unreduced pseudo-ephedrine!


wink(just looking for a little reax-shun on this bright beautiful Thursday, darlin')wink 		 
 
 
 
    Biscuit2
(Stranger)
05-18-00 18:59
No 6229
User Picture  		      Re: Who made post on DMMDA via halo/hex??!!!     

ok i am not disputing this BUT:
someone has said that h2SO4 will oxidise HBr to Br2.
Now the reaction mixture turns orange; isn't HBr colourless. Bromine is orange, it follows so far.

I have seen an NMR of this and it was a mess, and could have been a double substituted bromine across the alkene. At the very least there was NO CH3 group in the NMR and there should have been.

Are we sure that a DMMDA analogue was not made. An NH3 group at BOTH the beta and gamma carbons?

Anyway the resident expert in the meth forum said use H3PO4, it'll make the HBr but WON'T produce Br2, anyone have any thoughts on this?
This could be the answer y this method why valid has never seemed to work that well. 		 
 
 
 
    CrystalDaddy
(Stranger)
05-18-00 19:39
No 6239
User Picture  		      Re: 5 Million $$$ Ecstacy bust by RCMP     

Who says they are going to destroy them? 		 
 
 
 
    carlito
(Stranger)
05-18-00 21:04
No 6270
User Picture  		      Re: Nanotech - Still using reagents are you ?!     

There are some interesting thermodynamics arguments against all these schemes.  I mean, just imagine a little Machine moving around little atoms to make molecules, then consider the amount of work spent in that action, and then consider the heat released from that work, and finally consider the small space that all this is taking place in.  The heat generated in such scenarios is enough to melt the machines and whatever it is they happen to be working on.

I mean, using a big STM to move atoms around is one thing.  It has a huge surface area to radiate heat.  But for mass production of molecules, you need to actually build tiny machines that can replicate themselves so they can collectively go to work on transforming the molecules( You ain't gonna have a big STM making one fucking molecule at a time).  That means that that each of these little machines is going to lose around HALF of it's work to heat loss.  And it's so fucking small that the heat loss per unit of surface area is going to be HUGE. Plus you got like a billion of them in a ml of solution.  Yeah...that'll work. 		 
 
 
 
    Barracuda1965
(Stranger)
05-18-00 21:25
No 6278
User Picture  		      Re: back & impressed/confused     

Yes, I make you laugh and soon you will think nothing of dining with me in public. It will seem like the most natural thing in the world.

That's Mr. Rat Bastard to you! 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Newbee)
05-18-00 21:38
No 6284
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

For somereason im not able to to see this post naturally Fuchem.. But yeh i ddid it at work.. i didnt giva fuck. send me to a family members funeral you'd catch me swigin a sprite bottle. At work.. id p[ut my bottle in the fridge.. when no customers were around down it went..every day i was on g..if i couldnt bring it in id drink it when i took my breaks.. needless to say i fucking lost my job.. lost my girl as well.  One night i got mad stressed so i kept hitting the bottle not thinking about what was to come to me, rightfully. Well the next thing i know i'm being shaken by a customer askin me if im ok..im standing strqaight up passed out. after my co-worker told me to take a brake i went outside n sat on the curb n smoked a cig..next thing i know my supervisor wakes me up asking me if im alright im like "yeh" AND THEY FUCKIN LET ME BACK IN WORK.. well i got sick when i got back in and left...i cant remember much of me driving home..only riding horizontally down the highway at least twice and spinnin out in the median.. oh..hittin a few ditches on the back roads.. then i went and od'd at my friends house..woke up and thought i was still at work..and kept asking "can i go yet?, am i done?" i love the chem..truely its wonderful.. but it sucked me in way to far.. i quit in august of 99. and now im having thoughts of doin it moderatly ..but i know that cant happen..be safe with that shit. and dont put it ina sprite bottle like we did cause some little kid drank some while we were lookin outside this club and ended up in a "coma" at the hospitol. if you take it out publicly put it in a damn mr yuck bottle or somthin.. i was scared as hell that kid was gonna narc me out.. anyway be safe..

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purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    mrvegas
(Stranger)
05-18-00 23:07
No 6321
User Picture  		      Re: 5 Million $$$ Ecstacy bust by RCMP     

I wonder how tough a break in that would be.  Nothing better than hearing how the narcs loose stuff when it's already in there possession

The Force is like duct tape, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 		 
 
 
 
    Undertowe
(Stranger)
05-18-00 23:38
No 6332
User Picture  		      Re: Hotplate/Stirrer Confusion     

A hearty thanks to all who took time to answer my post.

BrightStar... You have confirmed my suspicions. I refrained from suggesting possible explanations in my original post because of the tendency for people to say things like "Yeah, that's right. You got it, man.", without putting any serious thought into the matter.

I have a few new thoughts which someone might like to comment on:

1) Why haven't I ever had trouble bringing this particular pot to boil on an electric stove? The bottom does not appear to be warped, at least not significantly, but then again it does have a circular section on the bottoms center that is offset inward from the rest of the surface.

2) It is true that the beakers entire bottom surface is in contact with the hotplate where the saucepan was not.

3) Taking into consideration the thermal equilibrium factor, I'm trying to formulate a plan to prevent this from occuring with future vessels. Am I correct in stating that my ideal vessel would:

    a) have a bottom with maximum surface area in contact   with the plate, i.e. completely flat and the diam. of the rest of the vessel (straight sides).

    b) be as narrow as possible and still accomodate the reaction vessel placed inside so as to minimize area of water exposed to atmosphere.

    c) be filled with least volume of water to allow submersion of reaction vessel to adequate depth.

Any other suggestions? In everyones experience what makes the ideal water bath?

I'm thinking I might just be better off using a heating mantle for operations that don't require mag stirring.

Undertowe 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 00:16
No 6352
User Picture  		      Re: 5 Million $$$ Ecstacy bust by RCMP     

That's another gigantic bust with the pills origins in France or thereabouts.  SOMEBODY is crankin out some shit (LabTop?? Rhod???)!!

zool

"Every man believes he has his own good reason." 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-19-00 00:46
No 6365
User Picture  		      Re: Meth or Kat??     

As you probably haven't noticed, we have a special forum completely dedicated to the discussion of meth and cat. Please take this question over there.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Newbee)
05-19-00 01:22
No 6373
User Picture  		      Re: 02 wacker workup question     

If you want a shortcut on filtering, put a couple cm of silica sand in your buchner 1st, then vacumm filter through the sand, takes less than 2 minutes with silica sand.

A bee who is not me has taken shortcuts on the workup, with questionaable yield.(never had a good yeild post amination with this method) Apparently the product resulting from the O2 wacker is something called ketal?? which becomes ketone when hydrolysed during work-up. Don’t know if you need all the washs though, maybe could get away with just the acid wash.

That same bee has kickass yields with the benzo though, but it has a brutal work-up which can’t be skipped due to hydroquinone which plugs the condenser if the NaOH washs are skipped.

Happy cooking





Also known as antibody 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 01:26
No 6375
User Picture  		      Re: Yield, schmield     

wow, that ethanolamine rxn is cool.  do you have a mechanism and/or ref's for it.  Maybe my orgo book is just a shaft. b/c if that rxn works, that makes life a lot easier. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-19-00 02:22
No 6389
User Picture  		      Re: Is this MDA method esablished?     

Use phosphoric acid H3PO4. NOT sulphuric acid H2SO4.
sulphuric acid H2SO4 will oxidize the HI to I2. 		 
 
 
 
    ketone
(Stranger)
05-19-00 02:25
No 6391
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

This bee used to use 19/22 back in the day...nice size for 'hobbyist' use.

-k 		 
 
 
 
    LittleEv
(Newbee)
05-19-00 03:07
No 6414
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Thanks all my brothers for the help and stay tight,peace out. 		 
 
 
 
    Fliptamine
(Stranger)
05-19-00 03:10
No 6416
User Picture  		      Re: 5 Million $$$ Ecstacy bust by RCMP     

That's a lot of fucking E.  I mean, imagine...just imagine what is involved with a move that big.  Chances are that this wasn't the synthesizer's first batch.  I'll bet this guy made a lot of E.  I mean, it's weird to think about it.  There are some foolios out there hookin' it up!  Jeez.  The weird thing about it is that you can make 50 grams and you still would have to slang a bunch cuzz you shouldn't need that much E for yourself.  Damn.  170,000 tablets.  Damn.  I just can't get over it. 		 
 
 
 
    Fliptamine
(Stranger)
05-19-00 03:13
No 6418
User Picture  		      Re: Studies of Neurotoxicity of Mdma wrong?     

I always take 5-HTP the next morning after I've been rollin'.  It reduces the negative effects of the next day to like a 10th of what they would be.  It's great. 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 03:32
No 6427
User Picture  		      Re: cutting     

vitamin b12 		 
 
 
 
    Artful_Dodger
(Stranger)
05-19-00 03:55
No 6430
User Picture  		      Re: polar/non polar     

Polar materials have a difference in charge between two bonded atoms, non-polar materials dont. Because of this polar materials can interact with other polar materials and non-polar materials can react with other non-polar materials. This property means that polar and non polar materials can be separated. Not to be rude or anything but the answers to questions like this are in the first 10 pages of year 8 chem books. Are there no libraries where you live? 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-19-00 04:45
No 6441
User Picture  		      Re: Would one be able to use these chems?     

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/TOC.html blushhttp://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/index.html cool 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-19-00 04:50
No 6444
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

the 19/22 that you said was occassionally named 19/38 just has a longer taper than the 22 version, the joints will fit the same, but the inner joint will extend a few millimeters in farther than the fitting 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 05:18
No 6457
User Picture  		      Re: cutting     

but i do know alot of people that cut it with powdered sugar, i dont use the shit so i really couldnt tell you what the different effects are. 		 
 
 
 
    SplattyReflux
(Stranger)
05-19-00 07:00
No 6501
User Picture  		      Re: Interesting Idea     

Hmmm...

I remember summink about a drug (prodrug, or whatever) that hydrolysed to ethanol and CO2 when aquated . The idea was a pill that made a fizzy alcohol-like drink when chucked in a drink. Never got off the ground though. If it was prohibition  days its not likely that it woulda been cheaper than bootleg, which may have been subsidised by other notorious activities like prostitution, speak-easies, extortion and selling girl-scout cookies :)

...another fine mess I've got you into.
        =Splatty= 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 10:19
No 6572
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

that denatured shit isnt holding up in court the dea says they have to july 24th 00 to register if not then its all about lisence it become a schedule 1 precursor and you'll need lisences and companies and evalutations... its not gonna be easy 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 10:51
No 6582
User Picture  		      Re: Silver-looking iodine?     

Before YOU handel that shit put a glove on, tha shit is really fuckin poison, can be absorbed into the skin and generally "FUCK YOUR DUMB-ASS WORLD UP" 		 
 
 
 
    Thoth
(Newbee)
05-19-00 11:00
No 6586
User Picture  		      Re: GBL<-->GHB?     

Did you know that many docs have used gbl on non healing wounds with success! Many pharm cartel are currently marketing or selling such products. If Gbl heals non healing wounds,does it really suprise you the FDA/BfDEA has moved to remove it from the public!

DT

Opinions expressed are based pre/post doc edu,clinical exp,psychedelic exploration. 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Stranger)
05-19-00 12:13
No 6599
User Picture  		      Re: 2-CB     

in south africa I might add. (Why the hell didn't I just edit my earlier post?)


-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Newbee)
05-19-00 12:32
No 6607
User Picture  		      Re: Pool test kit     

Those pH products for the pool always have wacky pH levels to them. Just by some real ones that are for chemistry. If you're on of those hardcore OTC types, then you can probably get some decent pH papers from a brewing store.

____________________________

Society exists by chemical affinity, and not otherwise. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-19-00 13:01
No 6618
User Picture  		      Re: sassy qustion     

Oh no! shocked

NEVER EVER HEAT A VOLATILE SOLVENT IN A CLOSED BOTTLE! 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-19-00 13:08
No 6624
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker question     

Thats definately sassy ...

So what I would do is this:
After you've deluged the reaction vessel with the 1.5L of Acidic Water (Your 'formula is fine) ...  shake it to mix ... then add 100mL of DCM.   Shake again, wait ~10 minutes ... then empty ~150mL from the bottom.   Then add another 100mL of DCM, and dio it again.   Do this three times, each time taking 150mL...   The combined 150mL portions ... now are 450mL ... filter this several times.     It will be loaded with shit.    Now, vac distill it.

Sounds like a winner.   Let us know how your hypathetical dreaming goes!


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-19-00 13:15
No 6627
User Picture  		      Re: do I need to distill my ketone?     

If you do a good job distilling ... clear ..
A haphazard medocre job ... neon-green-yellow


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-19-00 13:32
No 6631
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker problem     

Strange - Thats not the benzo-wacker.   Read the link below for a complete benzo Wacker Story.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 13:35
No 6634
User Picture  		      Re: mercuric iodide     

I'd bet that mercury(II) iodide is light sensitive (as in prolonged exposure to direct sunlight). I doubt that mercury(II) chloride is light sensitive. I doubt that either would decay in a dark container at room temperature. 		 
 
 
 
    craig420
(Stranger)
05-19-00 14:15
No 6651
User Picture  		      Re: The lovely world of Pip - BZP, mTFMPP, mCPP, oMPP     

yes, it works...just try it if you doubt it

whether it's evaporation or chemical reaction taking place, I have no clue...but from experience, it does work...and rather quickly at that 		 
 
 
 
    xochi
(Stranger)
05-19-00 16:17
No 6692
User Picture  		      Re: propenylbenzene --> P2P     

I found this:
Epoxides can be isomerized to carbonyl compounds by Lewis acids, ref. Tetrahedron 26, 1091 (1970) 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Newbee)
05-19-00 17:08
No 6701
User Picture  		      Bruckner Refs     

Please post the Bruckner references, it is always better to get it from the horse's mouth.  Thanks!

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    blasted
(Stranger)
05-19-00 18:33
No 6714
User Picture  		      Re: Silver-looking iodine?     

Definitely sounds like iodine crystals.  It appears more gray/silver than purple.  Listen to Largeman about the gloves.  If nothing else, it will save you having brown stains all over your hands.  Also, don't spill it anywhere.  It will spread and make brown splotches all over the place.  They seem to go away as the iodine reacts, but bleach also works in a hurry. 		 
 
 
 
    cactus
(Stranger)
05-19-00 19:33
No 6735
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

If you use salt with NaOh, use rock salt as it dose not have the additives that granules do.  Always save a portion of the lie/reaction material so if you over ph it, you can add the portion that you saved back, giving you another chance for survival of product extraction.

If you add acid to the mixture for attempt to lower ph then you might as well pure the whole thing down the sink.  Reason being is that you will have loads of salt at the end causing a lot of grief.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Will someone tell me if the fuel is nonpolar and water is polar?  I think I might have polar and nonpolar mixed up.  I can't remember if fuel is polar.  I want to say fuel is non polar and water is polar.  Is that right?   

I notice that when the bottom layer clouds all the way up to the fuel layer then the meth is free based.  I would then pull that off and set aside for gassing.  Then add more fuel to what you pulled off the first time and shake the devil out of it.  Then set that top layer aside.

I prefer pulling off with a 60 ml vetenarian syringe with very large needle.  That way a human being can separate everything to the drop.  When you pick up all the fuel of the top by slanting the syringe and using the needle to pull up the little puddles of fuel floating around then you will have some lie/reaction water in the syringe that you can simply use for visual inspection to detect the separation point for the the and removal of the bottom layer setting in the bottom of that large syringe and discharge drop wise until you see one drop of solvent fall into your trash layer.  Best of all, the plunger of that large syringe acts as a very good wiper cleaning any thing that may stick to the inner walls of that bore.     

Gas both of those layers to determine if you got everything or anything.  I like gassing because I usually loose too much product from the water evaporation process.  I get it the water to hot from being anxious.           

Also be sure the reaction material turns from the mud consistency to a more watery as you move it around making sure it doesn't stick to the flask.  I think I would add more I2 instead a lot of heat if it doesn't kick off. 

I noticed that pill trash will prevent the reaction fluid to gunk up and not change into the watery consistency. 

After pouring some fresh boiling DH2O into the flask for getting the rest of what was in there after you poured it out, should not continue to stick to the flask if all the pill trash is removed properly from the beginning.  I like what Uncle Fester pointed out that after pill cleaning put that gunk in with NaOh and a little DH2O and free base that into your solvent and gas, as that will provide pure feed as it's ephedrine HCI.  This was on a discussion about the need of pure form of feed for the electro reductions.  By the way I sure like his new book 5th edition.  I like it even better and is bigger than the smaller 4th edition.  It is one of the note book size book and just as thick as the 4th edition.  I mean 10 or 12" X 14" or 16".   

I would recommend a course sand filtration on the methanol step.  I found some sand/gravel mix at a concrete plant.
Being that they sell by the dump truck load they said I could have a bucket of it.  It is good sand.  I use to to grind glass to the consistency of talc but that just stops up every thing.  With this sand I put one of those plastic scrub pads in the bottom of a large funnel with 5 or 6" of the course sand and gravel. After pills are blended with freezing cold methanol in blender and letting most of the trash stay in the bottom of the mixer/blender or shaken and settled with freezing cold methanol in mason jars with the fine dry powder from a burr grinder.  While most of the trash is falling to the bottom of the jars, they can sit in the freezer.  I am sure the you already know about this technique of adding more methanol to the trash that was left in the bottom of those jars for more extracting. 

Anyway after pouring semi clear, but cloudy material into the gravel sand filter, it comes out of the funnel real fast, and crystal clear!!!

I think for as the other filtering steps such as the DH2O or warm acetone steps the "Merletta" coffee filters are good as I find that water doesn't help the sand filtering process.  Keep what is in the filter for the acetone step.  For DH2O and methanol you throw away what stays in your filter.       

Live with Freedom 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Stranger)
05-19-00 19:38
No 6738
User Picture  		      Re: Is this MDA method esablished?     

I noticed no one would come foreward and say it would work and in what % of yield.
Fester is full of shit. Take this from someone who knows.
If it sound too good to be true it is.....

THE BUDWIZARD 		 
 
 
 
    cactus
(Stranger)
05-19-00 19:46
No 6742
User Picture  		      Re: Would one be able to use these chems?     

The povidone is what keeps things from staining and you got to get that out of there.  It is a night mare.  I tried clorine gas seperation techniques. 

By the way has anyone ran povidone I2 through sand/gravel trap for povidone removal? 

Live with Freedom 		 
 
 
 
    tvarius
(Stranger)
05-19-00 19:55
No 6744
User Picture  		      Re: pill id     

Hey, This Pill you are talking about :
It's 2 (two) miligram generic Xanax. Taken from Micromedex, pharm. tox. site.  		 
 
 
 
    Euphorium_727
(Stranger)
05-19-00 20:50
No 6754
User Picture  		      Re: Technical H2SO4     

Hi Einstenium
Have You calculate how many moles of H2SO4 You get from
a kWh and what you pay for it. I have´t but I think it is not so expencive. Carbon or lead electrodes are suitable.
I have sometimes try to do electrolysis of dilute (aq)soulutions with lead electrodes, it generate H2 and O2 at respective electrodes.
Where I live there can be verry difficult for a private person to get permission to buy concentrated H2SO4.
But it can pherhaps make "home chemistry" more ingenuous.

Sincerely Euphorium_727 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Newbee)
05-19-00 20:55
No 6755
User Picture  		      Re: Is this MDA method esablished?     

Well i guess ill be a martyr for the rest of the bees who wish to see this happen. I'll let you know.

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    blasted
(Stranger)
05-19-00 21:55
No 6767
User Picture  		      Re: Silver-looking iodine?     

http://oso.adam.com/ency/article/002781sym.htm

Here is a url with some information on Iodine poisoning.  Sounds uncomfortable! 		 
 
 
 
    Felix
(Stranger)
05-19-00 22:20
No 6769
User Picture  		      Re: Vac Problems...     

Thanx Bright Star, Chromic... I'll make sure SWIF does that. But can I assume that SWIF's pump is functioning properly (i.e. pulling ~20"Hg) but it's just not a powerful enough pump in the first place?
 (goddammit... that'll teach SWIF not to buy the first pump he comes across next time......) 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 23:17
No 6785
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

ok well here is yet another way to make pure NH3, 1 get some ammonium nitrate, ammonium chloride or some ammonia based ferttalizer (10/10/10) just pick one, now get a heavy walled filtering flask and a round bottom boiling flask and 2 20 oz pop bottles, some lye, and some clear flexible vinyl tubing,and some calcium chloride, and some epsom salt,now put the ammonium chloride in the filtering flask and run a hose from it, now cut the bottoms out of the soda bottles and fill one with the calcium chloride and on the top put a coffe filter now duck tape the other soda bottle to the one with the calcium in it, now fill the soda bottle the rest of the way with the baked epsom(yeah i forgot to tell you to bake it)and you should have stuffed the openings of the pop bottles with cotton so the contents dont fall out, now connet the filtering flask to the pop bottle, now make a dry ice bath for the boiling flask(if the boiling flask is small enough, just cut the bottom out of a 2-3lt pop bottle and fill it with dry ice and acetone) now on the side vacuum connection of the filtering flask fit it with some tubing, and in the tubing put a funnel, now connect the other end of the pop bottle to the boiling flask, now make a strong lye solution and add small ammounts to the funnel thats connected to the filtering flask, and close the line with some vice grips, so all in all the NH3 will go through the connected pop bottles with the drying agent, then the dry NH3 gas will gointo the boiling flask thats in the dry ice/acetone bath and condens, and there's you NH3.

DISCLAIMER: i dont break any laws and if you do thats your own damn fault, so if you get caught or hurt doing anything its all your own fucking fault. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-20-00 00:07
No 6795
User Picture  		      Re: Hydrolysis     

It should be the bromomagnesium imide salt of o-chlorophenyl cyclopentyl ketone.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-20-00 00:09
No 6796
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

Sounds ok on paper, but I would think that the acetaldehyde and the ethyl bromide would be prone to polymerization.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Bwiti
(Stranger)
05-20-00 03:30
No 6849
User Picture  		      Re: Dihydrocodeine     

Thanks ! I might give it a try. 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-20-00 04:12
No 6860
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

Did I miss the address for this source?

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    Ben_Sherman
(Newbee)
05-20-00 04:40
No 6866
User Picture  		      Re: polar/non polar     

Little

http://www.chem4kids.com

 

Just becaues you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 05:57
No 6887
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

You could put it in a 'bug sprayer' with a good pressure cap. and pump it up so the NH3 remains in its liquid state.  But really, I'd just use the NH3 on the spot. 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 06:15
No 6895
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

hmmm i never tried to store the shit, what kind of bug sprayer would you use for this, plastic or metal? 		 
 
 
 
    technicolor
(Stranger)
05-20-00 06:18
No 6899
User Picture  		      Re: pill id     

thanks.
whats the significance of the U94?  is it a unique code to identify the contents of the pill or is it a manufacturer specific batch number?  U = upjohn maybe, 94 = batch? 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 06:28
No 6904
User Picture  		      Re: Thrift Stores...     

I found a nice li'l centrifuge in a Goodwill. 6 place, 3400 RPM, 25mL.[-= 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Stranger)
05-20-00 08:08
No 6931
User Picture  		      Re: Al/Hg Question     

AT. Study Methly Man's Al/Hg writeup. Nice. :) 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 08:16
No 6935
User Picture  		      Re: instead of drugs in pill form     

How about the inside of a vics inhaler you can stack 4 to 5 pill up it and still use it.  you can put a gram of anything inside as well.  Pussy is a great device adds flavor too. You can use a cd case under the thing that holds the cd and the paper on the back cover.  Other than that I'm out of ideas. 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Stranger)
05-20-00 08:18
No 6937
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

I saw Bright Star respond to this one time. If memory serves me, he said, the purer your MD-P2P, the longer it will take to degrade.

My question is, how do you know it has degraded ?  Will it turn orange or something that gives us a big clue to toss it and not waste time with it ?  My fridge buggered out for a week one time and I'm pondering ? 		 
 
 
 
    Undertowe
(Stranger)
05-20-00 08:34
No 6941
User Picture  		      Re: Hotplate/Stirrer Confusion     

Brightstar... Thanks so much for the information and answering my questions with such thoroughness.

I'm off to a large annual "block sale" in just a few hours to see what suitable vessels (and other goodies) I might discover.

Where can I find the bp's of other vegetable/mineral oils? I already checked on a few online chem ref's but didn't turn up much info.

Thanks again.

Undertowe 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 08:47
No 6946
User Picture  		      Re: meth manufacture     

DAMN dude you dont need info you need to go rent a cook, if you cant understand the cookbook why are you in the kitchen? just use SEARCH 		 
 
 
 
    Stonium
(Moderator)
05-20-00 08:51
No 6947
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

ACE is the place for the helpful hardware (wo)man.

If you have THEM, they got IT. Every one I've ever been in, anyway.

Check/It,
Stonium 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Stranger)
05-20-00 09:02
No 6949
User Picture  		      Re: Technical H2SO4     

I tried it once with copper vitriol, It was a PAIN in the der backside,laugh
but does work.
Things can get hot with such currents, but maybe you have better technique than me, as I did use a bowl and a battery charger at the time (4amps for 3days).
Be aware that some quantities of H2SO5 may be formed and lead anodes give considerably more ozone, you probably have noticed a 'smell' to the oxygen,
I would presume the persulphuric breaks down upon concentrating the mixture afterwards, there are some fumes generated here 		 
 
 
 
    bornagainpagan
(Stranger)
05-20-00 09:10
No 6952
User Picture  		      Re: eph oxidation sodium metaperiodate     

dammit nobody likes this chem.


Lawz without victims serve no purpose other than to increase crime. 		 
 
 
 
    penlane
(Stranger)
05-20-00 09:40
No 6956
User Picture  		      Re: red P from strikers     

Thanks for the fast response & info.Like I said I'm new & probably look foolish to anyone with experience but Oh well!! Thanks again 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Stranger)
05-20-00 09:57
No 6961
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy oil     

Try to see if it contains safrole before buying it in quantity,
You can try freezing some out and check the melting point of the solid (~5-11'C).
It should form an addition product with Hg acetate of a particular mp, a process which can be found around here somewhere.smile
Maybee you can check its bp ~234'C, it would be recommended to distill the oil anyway

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    bornagainpagan
(Newbee)
05-20-00 09:59
No 6962
User Picture  		      Re: false names     

from what iv'e heard repeatedly if you happen to mail to your house a false name dont mean shit when a fat bloated stuck pig  narc with small prick and flat feet comes knocking on your door while your in the kitchen shakin down that last jar of honey at 2am in the morning. what im trying to say is that cops arrest the house and look for the occupants as they go those maggot infested pole up thier ass pricks don't give a shit about america liberty or privacy.

Lawz without victims serve no purpose other than to increase crime. 		 
 
 
 
    element109
(Stranger)
05-20-00 10:32
No 6968
User Picture  		      Re: Who made post on DMMDA via halo/hex??!!!     

TOO MUCH H2SO4 will turn HBr into Br2. Maybe lab grade HBr is colorless, but i think this technical solution made with drain cleaner normally turns orangish.



E109- 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Stranger)
05-20-00 12:15
No 6976
User Picture  		      Re: yield of isosafrole     

what extent of overheating causes the ring to cleave with ethanolic Na/KOH as I have read that its a valid isomerisation method, anyone?

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    mr_pyrex
(Stranger)
05-20-00 12:21
No 6977
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

In regards to the rotten egg smell, you are correct, there are three components of those batteries 1)Lithium  2)The black disk 3) A liquid of some sort...As to the name of #2 and 3, sorry but my dam brain is on the fritz again and for the life of me I can't remember those names, if they come to me I'll post em.  But not too worry they weren't dangerous...just don't go eatting them :-).  And wouldn't recommend extended contact with the skin, other then that have at em.  Pyrex outta batteries 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-20-00 13:18
No 6995
User Picture  		      Re: NaBH4-Cu2+ red'n of nitrostyrenes -> amines     

But is it reasonable to believe that the copper exists in the Cu(II) oxidation state when it is in a solution with excess NaBH4?

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    factol
(Stranger)
05-20-00 13:30
No 7004
User Picture  		      Re: Special K only special via I.V.?     

if you're worried about I.V. you could always go the I.M. route, this seems to be the most popular and that's how they do it in the vet's office.  		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-20-00 14:54
No 7024
User Picture  		      Re: beginning     

Hey Bro....He's right! Follo Placebo's adVice and veiw Worlock's page...it'll help ya make the dream of chili, as for cat........I got that dream, heheheh!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 16:38
No 7057
User Picture  		      Re: Ecuadorian pharmacies     

The only problem with Nubian and Stadol is the fact that they both contain opiate antagonists as well as the good stuff..

So if you use opiates on a regular baisis, these can cause you to go into instant withdrawl.

-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Stranger)
05-20-00 17:39
No 7080
User Picture  		      Re: DCM from Zip-Strip     

Here in "Austria" we don't have Zip strip, I assume its paint stripper. Is it contaminated with MeOH and Naptha as it is here

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Stranger)
05-20-00 18:04
No 7088
User Picture  		      Re: A sustainable source of safrole     

I'm suprised that "the total annual demand is estimated to be around 2,000 tonnes." Doesn't seem like very much. 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Stranger)
05-20-00 18:12
No 7091
User Picture  		      Re: Ocotea albidum?     

Ocotea albidum is your friend :) 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-20-00 18:20
No 7093
User Picture  		      Re: Al/Hg Question     

Found MM's Wacker/MeOH method:

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/wacker.benzo2.txt 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-20-00 19:17
No 7103
User Picture  		      Re: Hg vapor from Al-Hg reaction?     

MM man. Let me try to be as inspirational to you as you have been to me. Build yourself a hood dude. You won't know how you ever did without it. If you ever have an explosion, it'll be contained in the hood. And you'll never have to bag vapors again.

Here is the basic stuff needed:

several 2x4's
2'x4' 3/4" wall board for base
3/4" fiberboard for sides and top
4'x4' 1/4" fiberboard for interior back wall.
2'x4' 1/4" fiberboard for interior top
Plexiglass
fan
airduct
some good paint and caulk.

Use epoxy paint for durability. Fireproof caulking can be had at Home Depot. Run your airduct out the dryer vent or window in that cottage of yours and your good to go. It can be built for under a $100 bucks. Put doors on it and you can lock it up when not in use. Hell, you could even convert a kitchen cabinet into a hood. You can even get creative and make the plexiglass slide up and down if you want. Do this by sandwiching it inbetween two 2x4's. Take a router and route out about 1/2" of the side of one of the 2x4's , put the 2 2x4's together and you have a notch to slide the plexiglass up and down on.

To get an idea of how to frame it out look at your kitchen cabinets. Just expand on this concept, but you don't need all the fancy joint work. Use fine threaded drywall screws to put the thing together. That way if you fuck up, you can unscrew, no pulling nails out this way. If you use a good power drill or battery powered screw driver its a breeze. After you frame it, you can use drywall for the sides, back and top. Its fireproof and easy to work with. Use a nice piece of 3/4" fiberboard for the base where all your glassware will be sitting. Mount 4 evenly spaced 2"x4" blocks on your back wall. You'll be using these to provide a 2 inch gap between your back wall and your back interior wall. The interior wall comes to within 2" of your base. Fumes are sucked up in between the two back walls. You do the same thing with you top, but use a 3" gap at the front of the hood. This allows fumes that didn't get sucked at the bottom another chance to escape. Caulk all your joints and give the thing a nice coat of epoxy paint. The epoxy is impervious to the likes of DCM and DMF. DCM and DMF will eat right thru varnish. Make sure to wear a respirator when using the epoxy, its fumes are worse than anything used to make M D MA. You'll find expoxy paint expensive unless you know where to look. It can be had for about $10bucks a gallon when being liquidated by a certain supply that is mentioned in the book below. A cheapo $50 buck 210 cfm unit. works great in a 32 sq ft unit. It isn't explosion proof, so don't put explosive shit in the hood.  One thing you might think about is when your standing that 400mm condensor for your Al/Hg. Make sure it'll fit upright in your hood.

When your done building you can test it by lighting a candle, blow it out and watch the smoke get sucked up.

If you haven't already Check out:
The Construction and Operation of Clandestine Drug Laboratories (2nd ed: 85178)
by Jack B. Nimble.

I know a guy that built to Jacks specs and it works great ! 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Stranger)
05-20-00 22:46
No 7131
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

Mr_pyrex dude could you help me with this dream man i mean more like a nightmare see ive not been able to find anymore nh3 only 3% nh6 recently scored last nh3 from a friend like a one time thing and ive been haveing hell trying to get the shit do you know of a realalistic place a person could get this shit any info would be more than helpfull thanks dude. 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-20-00 23:38
No 7135
User Picture  		      Re: Brown Goo     

When I get the time, I can post mine....I dream 5-6 O's at a time!!!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-20-00 23:41
No 7136
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

Of course, it's only $7 a gal.!!!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-21-00 00:32
No 7148
User Picture  		      Re: Ephedrene pills??     

am i the only ONE that has seen these pills?






Why would you fuck with me when you know that i'll put ya 6ft deep and your friends can die with ya 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Newbee)
05-21-00 00:52
No 7157
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

psyloxy,

could you check on the image url? Comes up as an error here.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Jetson
(Stranger)
05-21-00 04:12
No 7199
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

akafryguy, you might want to check the aquistition discourse forum and hit the ez anyhyrous nh3 post. I don't know if that's the correct name of it or not but it's something similar.  It might help ya, it might not. Worth a peek though huh?

born cross-eyed.....tongue 		 
 
 
 
    elvis
(Stranger)
05-21-00 04:47
No 7212
User Picture  		      Re: BS synth ?s     

problem with using a magnetic stir bar under heat is you shoot the magnet to hell with the heat...i learned two things about magnets in physics...never hit em with a hammer and never HEAT em up...by the way im not trying to be a smart ass just save someone some cash...otherwise the synth is good.
elvis 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Newbee)
05-21-00 04:53
No 7216
User Picture  		      Re: carbon rods     

the nine volt batteries?  or maybe an even larger version?  thanks for clarifying the torch question- it's been so long since i've heard a flashlight refered to as a torch that i forgot about its meaning 		 
 
 
 
    cketone
(Stranger)
05-21-00 05:15
No 7226
User Picture  		      Re: ketone distillation     

Does anyone have any idea what is going wrong with the distillation?  I don't understand the mechanics of the mistakes nor do I understand the mechanics or the solutions.

Thanks again cketone 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Newbee)
05-21-00 05:28
No 7233
User Picture  		      Re: need isomer isolation info     

check out Expermental Organic Chemistry, Durst and Gokel, McGraw-Hill Book Co. 1980 pg 469-472.  or just about any good org. chem. guide book will do.  this covers the resolution of alpha-phenethylamine, but directly applies to the procedure you're asking about 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Newbee)
05-21-00 06:15
No 7251
User Picture  		      Re: 1-1-1 trichlorothane (sp?)     

swim beleives that it is no longer used in otc products b/c of its cancer causing properties- (that or brain damaging) can't remember which one- let huff one more then i'll get back with ya - (walks out back door, moment later, soft thud in the background) 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Newbee)
05-21-00 06:37
No 7258
User Picture  		      Re: pyrocatechol     

DUH!! thanks sometimes i forget things i haven't read for a while 		 
 
 
 
    cketone
(Stranger)
05-21-00 06:38
No 7259
User Picture  		      Re: ketone distillation     

Any reply would be greatly appreciated.

thanks cketone 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-21-00 08:01
No 7282
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

yup thats right, and if the gas isnt going through then just add more lye water to the contents of the flask

Why would you fuck with me when you know that i'll put ya 6ft deep and your friends can die with ya 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Stranger)
05-21-00 08:12
No 7286
User Picture  		      Re: Hypophosphorous Acid     

You can push the p-acid through a citation exchange resen,
many times, to convert to hypo h3po2, Best bet is try the
search eng. A lot of bees are thinking H3po3 or H3po4 Is
what pebbles is using in her dreams, but it's not, H3po2
is the shit. 500ml $40 us, 51% in solution. I havent found
it in any higher %.
 
 Tighten Up 		 
 
 
 
    CDM
(Hive Bee)
05-21-00 08:18
No 7288
User Picture  		      Re: Hypophosphorous Acid     

hahahahaha... now that's funny... no one replies in 2 days then Jacked and I both reply... hmm and Jacked added to my knowledge.  Cool

CDM

And it's 'cation' not a Chevy Citation :) 		 
 
 
 
    StarDog
(Hive Bee)
05-21-00 09:38
No 7306
User Picture  		      Re: Show me where to start     

SM, Please don't bee offended from what I'm going to tell you here.
 You say you're a junior in high school. Do yourself a big
favor and find another interest to occupy your young mind.
 You are at a time in your life where the world is at your
door and calling from every which way. Don't bee foolish
my young friend, opt for those avenues the world presents
which represent a meaningfull and productive outcome.
 If you take my advice believe me you'll bee more than
satified with your decision to do so. I know that it's hard at your age to take advice from "any" exterior source. But
really think long and hard about continuing upon your stated
path of interest.
You are welcome here, this is a free forum open to all who
wish to visit. But really, really, think about what I've said here. And if you ever aren't sure about anything on the
road ahead. Just pop in here and I'll usually bee nearby.
StarDog will not decieve you in any way. You might not like
what I have to say always, but I'll never lie to you.
Take Care my young friend, I pray heaven watches over your
young butt for you are young in a very confused world.
StarDog 		 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Stranger)
05-21-00 12:54
No 7321
User Picture  		      Re: ok, child's play seperating lorezapam from binders     

You need to study solubilities of the molecule of interest.
I wouldnt bother.Swallowing them fuchers works well enough for me. 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-21-00 13:59
No 7335
User Picture  		      Re: Show me where to start     

Damn Zipp, that's harsh!!! SM, if you want to be known as "the Man" at your local peer-groups, you will have to also remember, "THE Man" will most probably bee looking for you...because you know that a group of teenage malcontents won't keep a secret. So if you're going to make your own shit, you'd either want to reconsider (highly recommended) or just make DAMN sure you're the only one who knows about it.......

**MY advice is this: DON'T PLAY THIS GAME...if/when you get busted...evryone around you loses****

 Learning to make is one thing, Making what you learn is illegal..;-)

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-21-00 14:13
No 7342
User Picture  		      Re: Ph tester     

I just wanted to reset it so I can double check something going on here without leaving to go get stuff...I have dH2O, so should I cal to 7?

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Stranger)
05-21-00 14:21
No 7346
User Picture  		      Re: post reaction of RP/I2     

Now that would depend on the amount's of all the reagents used. No I will be recovered from the RXN vessle it self
even if you used a excess amount, look to your P P tanks.
as far as P It depends on how much work (recycling) it had to do, how much E was used, how much I2 & P were used.
 you dont loose a bunch of P a little bit will dissapear.
You get back some I if push was strong enuff. And you figure
out how to get it out

This is The Push Pull RXN here your talking about

   

Tighten Up                                  1%er 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-21-00 14:35
No 7350
User Picture  		      Re: Ph tester     

ok one last thing...I did recalibrate it ( i hope), but levelled off at 6.4 at room temp dH2O, should I recheck with cabbage or is this an acceptable +/-?

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Stranger)
05-21-00 15:35
No 7366
User Picture  		      Re: "E" from Ma Huang     

I thought Ma Huang would be the future of E precursor.
I coul'tn figure out why the all the Master Bees was'nt
digging into this subject, that is untill I went through LB's of the stuff with every method I could dig up.
Tar's, Waxes, Small returns on A/B's w/gassing. Shit I'd rather deal w/supergacked pills anyday. further study on my part is needed. I have been looking at maybe steam dis/Ext,
or an expensive Solex rig. That's probably the ticket,

 Maybe a more experanced Bee could better answer. One of those Bees into sassy oil's & what not,
 

Tighten Up                                  1%er 		 
 
 
 
    Nutmeg238
(Hive Bee)
05-21-00 15:39
No 7367
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

I bought toluene a couple years (15?) ago at a hardware store and later a Radio Schack (German spelling?).  I noticed that they stopped selling it at both places and somebody at one hardware store said he asked about it from the supplier and discovered that he could no longer get it himself but didn't know exactly why.  Recently I found some toluene in a Sherwin Williams paint store and bought a gallon for about $7. 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Stranger)
05-21-00 15:53
No 7377
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

If were you live has had a huffing problem
like along the southernborder of texas & mexico they probabily pulled it from the hardwear stores.
Anyway Go to an Automotive Paint Supply house, ask for
LENMAR (sometimes they will have it in the computer under
lenmar) 100% toluol, check out there asetone also. xyline
even wood alcohol, all automotive paint products are of very good quality.
 
 Well trusted for Many years & many States


Tighten Up                                  1%er 		 
 
 
 
    pornstar
(Stranger)
05-21-00 16:04
No 7382
User Picture  		      Re: iodine question     

After converting to I, is the I ready for the reaction and can one expect near pure iodine after conversion from tincture? 

Cheers - Yeah i ask to many questions. 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Stranger)
05-21-00 17:05
No 7397
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

Try distilling rather than freezing...less variables to go wrong; At least you'll know exactly what the problem is. 		 
 
 
 
    essentials
(Newbee)
05-21-00 17:10
No 7398
User Picture  		      Re: More distillation problems...     

Ok, I'm going to give it a try tonight, and take some notes.  I'm able to get between 20 to 25 inHg, so I guess mine will come over at a bit over 130.  No water through the condenser, right?  And, how much should I fill the flask with oil?  Thanks for the reply, I'll post results tomorrow. 		 
 
 
 
    essentials
(Newbee)
05-21-00 17:33
No 7399
User Picture  		      Re: Ecuadorian pharmacies     

20 mg!  Jeez, and I thought swallowing two 5mg's was fun!  5 bucks a piece for 20 mg pills isn't bad at all, I was under the impression that she was going to give me 5mg's, as that's the only strength they have in the US.  I'll have to check that out next time I'm south of the border. 		 
 
 
 
    Ben_Sherman
(Newbee)
05-21-00 18:34
No 7409
User Picture  		      Re: false names     

http://www.fakeid.net
http://www.mailboxetc.com
I've heard that is what some people do.  However, I have also head this is not foolproof.  I've also heard used PVC machines are not real expensive.
     Anyone know what happened to ID Shop?  I've heard the SS get em?

I've heard alot of stuff(mabey its all in my head)

Just becaues you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. 		 
 
 
 
    Ben_Sherman
(Newbee)
05-21-00 18:52
No 7414
User Picture  		      Re: need isomer isolation info     

     I think the Salvation Army is haveing a reading glasses give-away this week.

Just becaues you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. 		 
 
 
 
    essentials
(Newbee)
05-21-00 18:54
No 7417
User Picture  		      Re: Interesting Idea     

What about chloral hydrate and chlorobutanol?  They decompose to trichloroethanol, which I think (don't quote me on this) decomposes to ethanol. 		 
 
 
 
    essentials
(Newbee)
05-21-00 19:09
No 7421
User Picture  		      Re: mercury aquisition?     

The mercury in thermostats is found in the (aptly named) mercury switch.  This is a small bulb, shaped exactly like a little christmas light, with 2 leads coming out of it.  A little blob of mercury is in the bulb, and when the bulb is oriented correctly, the mercury completes the circuit, and...wait a second, nobody cares about all of this shit.  Go to radio shack, or any place that sells electronics crap, and ask for mercury switches.  They are dirt cheap. 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Stranger)
05-21-00 19:25
No 7423
User Picture  		      Re: Medicated salt Lick     

L8er, Thanks
I wonder if it helps increases sex drive a wild animal, may
not directly but indirectly, (maybe it cures there cold's
so they feel like fucking more unobtainium). If mussle tone
is afected by poor diet or something. the whole herd suffers
makes sence to me.

 Im at peace with pills
Just trying to answer questions for my herd


 
 

  

Tighten Up                                  1%er 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Newbee)
05-21-00 19:38
No 7430
User Picture  		      Re: Special K only special via I.V.?     

I went IV the first time I tried it.  Then I tried IM, subQ, up the nose.......

IV was the only way I enjoyed it.  I got a few minutes of a wacked buzz.... and then crashed and wanted to vomit everywhere.  The other routes just provoked the pukey response without the cool "flash" buzz.

For some reason, I just don't enjoy this drug much - so don't base your actions on my experiences ;) 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Stranger)
05-21-00 19:47
No 7433
User Picture  		      Re: Ph tester     

just make sure your check gets two readings the same
Wash probe w/Dh2o & dry each time, Go back to a fresh batch
of Dh20 before & after each reading, thats the best you can do under the circumstances, try to find that stable reading
I dont think you can say ok its reading 6 in a 7 soul. so
I'll make it 8. I'm not sure about this, Dont wory to much, Crush crys. and give a good acetone wash, it'l pull the excess acid off.
Get a chance get an indactor. disolve a little in dh20, an
recheck, rewash if nessary, You'll be fine.
     
6-8 is all you can hope for at the moment,
a 5 can be washed right out w/acetone
dont sweat it to much
 

Tighten Up                                  1%er 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
05-21-00 20:49
No 7463
User Picture  		      Re: iodine question     

you could amuse us all and give it a little wash with water- but it's basically ready to go 		 
 
 
 
    StuckMojo
(Stranger)
05-21-00 21:25
No 7482
User Picture  		      Re: Show me where to start     

Oh, btw...where can i find those books...TS II, Organic Chem
Survival manual, and those festers books....ive never heard
of any of these...prolly shows how new i am. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-21-00 22:17
No 7496
User Picture  		      Re: Physiology behind X     

It releases stored serotonin into the synaptic cleft, among other things. You might find detailed info on this at www.maps.org or www.ecstasy.org

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    alice_d25
(Stranger)
05-21-00 22:46
No 7506
User Picture  		      Re: mercury aquisition?     

Thank you sir(s)/madam(s), I'll try those suggestions most promptly
yours,

Alice 		 
 
 
 
    elvis
(Stranger)
05-21-00 23:17
No 7511
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

i had the dream again last night.....in my dream...the freezer reads 15 below(celcius)..and my logical mind tells me if it aint freezing then there aint no need to distill... i was tossing and turning all three hours i was able to sleep....if only i knew where to get the real sassy...i might be able to put my unconcious to rest and live a normal life....the funniest thing is when im on the phone talking to these oil sellers they claim their oil contains safrole yet when the ups guy shows up in my dream he always drops off a non-safrole containing oil.....funny eh?


elvis 		 
 
 
 
    Zipp
(Newbee)
05-21-00 23:19
No 7513
User Picture  		      Re: Show me where to start     

Come on guys,

Somebody's fuckin' with us again! And if I'm wrong, the first lesson should be not to admit that your 16.

Pretty cool homepage though!

http://www.shownomercy.com 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-21-00 23:29
No 7520
User Picture  		      Re: Show me where to start     

COME ON GUYS any body whos says there in the 11 grade well you figure it out you have on your concious that your contributing to a dilinqute or how ever you spell it first golden rule never help minors they wont be looked at like it was there mistake allways the older one like the idiots that are telling this kid what to do
SHUT THE FUCK UP
let him figure it out on his own that way its on him

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Newbee)
05-22-00 00:43
No 7547
User Picture  		      Re: Is this MDA method esablished?     

after some thiking and reading i've decided not to waste my time and stock to come up empty handed..this method has obviously not been clearly tested and if so no clearly told about.

-------
purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    L8er
(Stranger)
05-22-00 01:06
No 7556
User Picture  		      Re: Success at last     

congratalations dogg it only gets better after that 		 
 
 
 
    RevMeO
(Stranger)
05-22-00 02:17
No 7586
User Picture  		      Re: 2-CB     

Actually...no...2C-B is illegal in South Africa.
Perhaps jsorex needs some staples applied to his lips...read the fine print please.

-Rev. MeO
http://www.xenopharmacophilia.com

-=Rev. MeO=- 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 02:52
No 7610
User Picture  		      Re: Check This Out!     

I wish it said Desoyxn on here or Demerol..heh 		 
 
 
 
    Skink
(Stranger)
05-22-00 03:17
No 7621
User Picture  		      Re: Effects of Volatile Anesthetics     

I can vouch, having accidentally inhaled vaporizing isofluorine and halothane while reloading anesthesia machines (really by accident!) and it is very unpleasant.  Both times I was not quite knocked unconscious, but was probably within that threshold you are describing, and the dizziness, nausea and headache had no positive effects, even by the wildest stretch of the imagination.  Only nitrous, xenon, and ether are positively psychoactive gas (or volatile, in the case of ether) anesthetics, but the others are very specific to putting you into a state of deep unconsciousness.
Now the time when a coworker accidentally squirted some ketamine into her eye.. that was another story.  Note this was also really an accident! 		 
 
 
 
    tinkerer
(Stranger)
05-22-00 03:20
No 7622
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy oil     

um.  if it doesnt contain safrole then it is not sassafras oil...  the use of sassafras oil is solely due to its having safrole since safrole is the main aromatic constituent of sassafras oil which gives the oil is good smell/taste.  as for "uses" of sassafras oil...  since i have never had a dream... the only thing ive ever used it for is aromatherapy (buy some peppermint oil too, the two together make me think toothpaste :-) and ive attempted with limited success to make soap with sassy too...  nothing id wash my body with though...

--tinkerer--

...this is your brain... 		 
 
 
 
    tinkerer
(Stranger)
05-22-00 03:27
No 7624
User Picture  		      Re: instead of drugs in pill form     

"what is that a blob of goo?"  ...  umm  they taste like regular gummy bears so i just gave a few to security ("i guess they melted in my pocket...") and they didnt give a shit.  they wont even notice a difference in taste ;-)

...this is your brain... 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 03:27
No 7625
User Picture  		      Re: false names     

Poster: aquagirl [aquaria]
Subject: Re: false names


I wouldn't bother putting the into a good fake ID [Ida] just for a mailboxes etc. [etch] box. The name on the box is irrelevent. [irreplaceable] They'll tag you when you pick up your package regardless of what names are on everything.




Au [Auberge] contraire. [contrapositive] Send to a MBE [McAdam] or similar unit. Go in, get your package, open it and look for anomalies, repack [repackage] into another box or three, address to another MBE [McAdam] (different name, different ID) [Ida] across town (or wherever), and drop it on your way out the door. Right before you leave, point to your (now empty) original package and say to the clerk, "I'm taking this alright?" [Alsatian] If you are stopped, explain that you just asked the clerk if you could take the empty box sitting there. Heck, it's not your package (the label doesn't match your name, remember) and it's EMPTY. They can't violate the stamped outgoing packages without a postal inspector and associated paperwork, and they don't know what the re-packed [repaid] box (boxes??) looks like to get the next address from. And if you are stopped, you now know they are watching and can sanitize [sanity] everything and go on a nice long vacation... right?

zool [zoological]

P.S. [psalm] You don't think I would just have something sent to a drop, pick it up, and take it straight home... do you?

P.P.S. [practicable] This spell checker is friggin [fright] hilarious!


"Every man believes he has his own good reason."

 
 
 
 
    potpourri
(Stranger)
05-22-00 04:05
No 7634
User Picture  		      Re: not saliva but it has potential...     

just bumpin' this up for one last go round.  Has anyone had any luck potentiating salvia?  Also, any luck with the quid?  I tried it, and it didn't do schmack. 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Newbee)
05-22-00 04:08
No 7636
User Picture  		      Re: false names     

rotflmao! [Roth] that made my night.

true, complex drop schemes can save ones ass. I was referring to the simple schemes of the associates of  my ex-fitness-chick/bodybuilder [exhale] friends used to get "supplements", using only MBE [McAdam] boxes with fake ID's. [Ida] Of course, when they picked up their super-duper-horse-vitamins-from-mehico, [superego] they were met by law enforcement agents that frown upon women that can beat them in arm wrestling matches.... I don't blame them though these chicks were creeeeeeepy [creek] looking. and dumb!

(off to make some tea and brown rice.... blech) 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Stranger)
05-22-00 04:34
No 7644
User Picture  		      Re: Success at last     

Pretty Work Dogg, Try giving a little more detail an a
Bee will come over and share a hint or two, to help your
success stay succesful

OutLaw_Hive_Bee Jacked_up1
Their's A High Price For Stupidity 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 04:48
No 7650
User Picture  		      Re: instead of drugs in pill form     

pillows, salt shakers, your ass crack... now if your mailing it thats a different story...I know madddddddddddddddddddddddd wayz.. 		 
 
 
 
    2stoned
(Stranger)
05-22-00 05:43
No 7667
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras in oz     

tell me too please pornstar
 auto60146@hushmail.com
I've been extracting my own camphor oil and it sux. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Stranger)
05-22-00 05:55
No 7673
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA- via HBr     

I appreciate your concern budwizard but I know that quite a bit of MDMA is produced via bromosafrole. I was searching the net and found some reference, I forget it now, regarding research in England on impurities in E that have caused deaths. These have been due to impure HBr which causes the formation of some chemical which has MAOI properties. I mention this because if there have been deaths and there is research being done into this particular method, that means that there is a fair bit of E going around produced by this method. Since it is an academic interest only, there is no danger of killing myself but even if I was inclined to cook, I sure as hell would perform a vacuum distillation, acid/base extraction then a recrystallisation to make sure there are no nasties.
Does anyone know the answers to my questions?
Thanks,
Synthman

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Newbee)
05-22-00 05:57
No 7675
User Picture  		      Re: 2-CB     

Well I know other 2c-b sources also.


-jsorex

[Edited later on]:
I know no sources whatsoever 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 06:15
No 7689
User Picture  		      Re: People w/ big batches     

to get more gakk out of the mix you'll probably need to use a centrifuge and then decant through a filter- but the successive steps in "the cure" should take care of it all in the end.   but for large reactions- buy 2 boxes of the largest #box you can from each store, say maybe 10 stores in your area will sell something worth while.  that's 20 boxes, 20 boxes containing 24 pills a peice, that's 480 pills, times 60mg a peice, (over 1000) is 28.8g about an ounce-  after a good extraction you may lose up to 2g but so what- that's still about 27g - getting pills really isn't a prob.  plus, you could always bring a couple of friends to buy 2 boxes a peice at different registers-
good lunch 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 07:42
No 7716
User Picture  		      Re: Methyl Man's reduction     

well i took it down for about an hour you prolly were on it when i was making it better I service that web page alot its only 2-3 days old so I'm working hard to get it up.  By the way does anyone know any software that you can make forums but doesnt require access to the cgi-bin dir?  something that would work at the access I have? 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 07:49
No 7719
User Picture  		      Re: instead of drugs in pill form     

but if you sweat your fucked.  Thats why I dont store on my body, when I was slingin' pills at club a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.  and one time i started doing alot of dancing and i would keep them in a bag stapled to the inside of my pocket so that the bag would always stay open.  Anyways I was dancing and when I went to the batroom the were all disolving so I had to eat/distribute like 9 of them at the bottom they were falling apart.  Not that I minded, but still I wish they were intact.  Watch were you put them. 		 
 
 
 
    suicideblonde
(Stranger)
05-22-00 08:47
No 7733
User Picture  		      Re: questions     

I think the Nazi would be best, if you have access to the
Ammonia 		 
 
 
 
    downunder
(Stranger)
05-22-00 09:16
No 7746
User Picture  		      Re: Hypophosphorous Acid     

Hi again, I just found this on the net and thought others might like to see it as well.

"HYPOPHOSPHOROUS ACID"
 
Date Prepared:  2/03/00
   Supersedes Date:  12/18/95
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  1. PRODUCT AND COMPANY DESCRIPTION 

RHODIA INC.
RHODIA PHOSPHATE PRODUCTS
CN 7500
Prospect Plains Road
Cranbury NJ 08512-7500

Emergency Phone Numbers:
FOR EMERGENCIES INVOLVING A SPILL, LEAK, FIRE, EXPOSURE OR ACCIDENT CONTACT: CHEMTREC (800-424-9300 within the United States or 703-527-3887 for international collect calls) or Rhodia CAERS (Communication and Emergency Response System) at 800-916-3232.

For Product Information:
(800) 243-5052

Chemical Name or Synonym:
PHOSPHINIC ACID

Molecular Formula:
H3PO2

and thanks again for all your help with this. 		 
 
 
 
    Zeb
(Stranger)
05-22-00 10:00
No 7762
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras in oz     

...I should add that I realise this is expensive compared to Pornstar's supplier but I've been happy with the source so I have'nt bothered to look further afield! 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 11:47
No 7786
User Picture  		      Re: 4 steps from dimethoxybenzene to 2CH ?     

Won't reduction with H2/Pd/C produce the 2° alcohol ? 		 
 
 
 
    demenace
(Stranger)
05-22-00 13:58
No 7820
User Picture  		      Re: GBL-->GHB PH is 9.0     

OJ should work prior. But my question is where in the hell did you get decent GBL. 		 
 
 
 
    bennie
(Newbee)
05-22-00 13:59
No 7821
User Picture  		      Re: mercury aquisition?     

Or, a sign supply store- it is used in neon signs
Glantz Co has it for app 20.00 a lb triple distilled 		 
 
 
 
    demenace
(Stranger)
05-22-00 14:01
No 7823
User Picture  		      Re: GBL???     

Would that dosage also work with 2-butylene glycol or furanone? 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-22-00 15:38
No 7842
User Picture  		      Re: ketone distillation     

STRANGER!
Man, you have steered this newbee wrong!

The polymerization temp for ketone is barely over 200C!
The Vacuum you are useing Sucks! (or doesn't suck depending on how you look at it) ...
You need a better vacuum.

Visit an appliance repair shop!
these guys have used pumps that were taken out of fridges .. the federal govn't says each of these things new should pull to 10-3 torr ... used they'll pull to 1 torr or ~29" Hg.

NEVER ANSWER ANYHTING IF YOU 1. ARE UNSURE OF THE ANSWER, OR 2. DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

Geez.. This is how missinformation is propagated.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-22-00 15:49
No 7845
User Picture  		      Re: BS synth ?s     

Elvis-
1. A magnetic Stirrbar is ~5$.
2. Why don't you propose a new method to heat and stirr something for under 5$.
3. Define 'heat'.   Yes, I'm sure that heating something to its melting point can cause an oxidation reaction with air ... but the magnets in these bars are usually iron.  Iron retains its magnetic properties because it has 3 unpaired electrons in the Pi orbitals.    These electrons will remain unchanged as long as the iron doesn't become a liquid.    And I don;t plan on doing any chemical reactions at 1535C.  

PS 1535C is above the metling point of the Glassware, the nylon heating mantle, the glass themometer, the teflon around the stirbar, the countertop, the hardwood floor .....

IE.  If you don't have 'real' practical knowledge don't share it.

And ... Why have chemists been using magnetic stirbars since 1890?



http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-22-00 15:57
No 7850
User Picture  		      Re: ketone vac distillation     

Post 7203 (cketone: "ketone distillation", Newbee Forum)


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Newbee)
05-22-00 16:21
No 7861
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

Hey Lilienthal! Good to see you back @ the Hive.

Psyloxy, have you got another copy of the pic somewhere, coz' i can't access it and I
can't contribute anything so far, coz' I don't know what the hell you guys are talking
about. Cheers.



-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Cheapskate
(Stranger)
05-22-00 16:40
No 7864
User Picture  		      Re: o-toluidine     

Actually a superlude is as easy to make as the regular one, it takes a flouridated toluidine that isn't available commercially though.  I have the research, but haven't pursued it.  I'm still trying to find an easy way to make normal toluidine. 		 
 
 
 
    MTM
(Stranger)
05-22-00 16:57
No 7866
User Picture  		      Re: extraction of drugs from your urine     

Ouuuchhh... This hurts. GoOsH, try to get a book with BASIC chemistry knowledge and read it! After you have done this, slap yourself and then come back again. Get it?

Never stop watching... 		 
 
 
 
    GoOsH
(Stranger)
05-22-00 17:24
No 7871
User Picture  		      Re: extraction of drugs from your urine     

ah well, fark it
no chem exp like i said... (y would i be talkin about such a silly subject otherwise :P) 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 17:33
No 7874
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

Phaidon: check your mail!
But first try to reload your browser, all of my pictures are working, at least for me.

I wasn't able to enter any of my webspace, so there is no picture yet but what do you all think of this

1) make the diazonium salt of tryptamine
I don't think this will work with the usual H2SO4/NaNO2. If so, great; but I've only seen this working for anilines.

2) swap the -N2 by an I/Br using KI/CuBr2

3) let it react with your favorite dialkylamine


and what about 1)indole   Br2  2)  indole-3-Br   Mg   ethyleneoxide
to produce the indole-3-EtOH ??

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    cketone
(Stranger)
05-22-00 17:38
No 7875
User Picture  		      Re: ketone distillation     

Thanks BS. 		 
 
 
 
    Barney_Rubble
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 17:45
No 7876
User Picture  		      Re: beginning     

Download the site first, then  view it. 		 
 
 
 
    Coitus
(Newbee)
05-22-00 17:50
No 7877
User Picture  		      Re: piperazine     

Personally, the trip is similar to amphetamine. Nothing like meth. The hangovers from Piperazines are nasty. Flu like symptoms for 2 days. I would not recommended trying to sell this as crank, you would be shot in my neighborhood!!!!!

JMO.


Coitus

Formerly know as Joe uGly 		 
 
 
 
    elvis
(Stranger)
05-22-00 17:54
No 7878
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

it came again in the night...my dreams are short because im losing sleep over this but i dont waste time distilling if there is no freezing....without the ying there is no yang...i have distilled in a few dreams i didnt use a vacum source so that i would know what was coming over but i have reached temps like 260 without anything coming over. i tryed some sleeping pills but the didnt work...im still seeking help...note...i stick the themometer in the bath as well cause it is easier to see whats going on with out the temp jumping from room to 300...

elvis aka elvario del mario conchario 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 18:19
No 7890
User Picture  		      Re: 4 steps from dimethoxybenzene to 2CH ?     

Osmium: you mean if the =O is at a benzylic position it is fully reduced to the alkane by H2/Pd/C ? Ok, I've read this only a few hours ago in my o.chem book. But wouldn't you need more than 1 atm pressure ?

Also this should yield 2CH if u used 1,4-diMeO-acetophenone I think...

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-22-00 19:00
No 7912
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

1.  Where do you put the thermometer?
2.  What does the label say on the Sassy oil?  Exactly?
3.  Boil water.   Put your thermometer in ... what temp does it read?
4.  The bath oil/whatever will read MUCH higher than the internal temperature of the oil to be distilled.   Have you attempted to put the thermometer in the distilling head?

PS- Distilling is the only way to separate saf from sassy.  


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Stranger)
05-22-00 20:07
No 7944
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

There is never a need to extract from root bark
Safrole will never be eliminated because it is the major precursor in too many products, such as piperonyl butoxide.
There are only about a jillion plants that contain safrole as the major component.
Some have it in their leaves. Search the old posts for different plant oils that contain saf.
There are alot!!
Leave me alone,

THE BUDWIZARD 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 20:13
No 7945
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

Does anyone know what exactly it degrades to ?

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    CherrieBaby
(Stranger)
05-22-00 20:14
No 7947
User Picture  		      Re: Pressure/hydrogenation vessel info??     

I'm just interested in assembling a pressure vessel capable of withstanding heat to at least 180 C and keeping an aqueous/methanol/salt solution liquid. (no need for hydrogenation). It's an hydrolysis reaction and methanol is a product.

I think that works out to about 40 atm. I wouldn't be interested in the pipe-bomb solution (unless I could buy the parts and assemble it easily). Anyone who's done this please email me.

Can an old (or new) fire-extinguisher be converted for this purpose? 		 
 
 
 
    Phreaky
(Stranger)
05-22-00 21:50
No 7973
User Picture  		      Re: GBL-->GHB PH is 9.0     

Can one reheat the GHB soultion in order to bring the PH back down. When vinger was added the taste was comprimised...what can one do to reslove this? 		 
 
 
 
    suicideblonde
(Stranger)
05-22-00 21:57
No 7976
User Picture  		      Re: DEA Chem List     

Thanks for the help



Suicideblonde 		 
 
 
 
    johny
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 22:04
No 7978
User Picture  		      Post deleted by johny     

 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Stranger)
05-22-00 22:26
No 7984
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

Damm How the hell did you her me pronounce anything
tooly, call lenmar, in baltimore they make the shit
tell them ther spelling it wrong.  Its a solvent I've
buying for years, you a yankey ant YA, yankey school teacher
maybe. The Bee that started this thread is the one that
need's the shot, Help Him he asked, not me.

OutLaw_Hive_Bee Jacked_up1
Their's A High Price For Stupidity 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Hive Bee)
05-22-00 22:41
No 7988
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

As a matter of fact, it's pronounced TOL-you-WEEN....

 My advice would be try Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Ace, Tru-Valu, Home Depot, Paint suppliers and/or you may want to hit up your local paint & body shop...they may come off with a gal. or two...you never know!!!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    buckyballz911
(Stranger)
05-22-00 23:43
No 8003
User Picture  		      Re: false names     

so what if somebody ordered butanediol or something, or even de-gbl?  or how about one of the newly available legal psychedelics, like 5-meo of T7?  would there be pig trouble? 		 
 
 
 
    Artful_Dodger
(Stranger)
05-23-00 00:06
No 8012
User Picture  		      Re: Knowledge     

Stoicheometry is definately required if you don't want to be constantly asking about weights/ratios etc.
Acid/base cemistry crops up a fair bit but you should especially do a bit of reading into how acid/base extractions work and what acid salts are. Dont worry too much about gas laws or dimensional analysis and by no means learn the entire periodic table. Having said that you should get an understanding of periodic trends across groups and down periods. You'd be better off learning about specific elements as they crop up (Li, Pd, P etc.) Most importantly you should learn as much as you can about organic chemistry. Easier said than done i know but the more you learn (esp. about aromatics, amines and carbon chains) the better.

I think the best idea would be to look at what everyone here is talking about and read up as you go along

good luck

P.s. when you come across molecular orbital theory run, RUN LIKE THE FUCKING WIND!!! my god i'm studying  physical chemistry and MOT at the moment and im going INSANE!!! crazy 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Stranger)
05-23-00 00:31
No 8017
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

If you know about the other oils that contain large ammounts of safrole then HOW can sassy be the only one you can think of?
How about cinnamomum burmannii (97-98%),  
cinn. micranthum(95%),cinn. paucifolium(68-90%), Cinn. petrophilum(97%),piper family(`90+%)
read rhodiums safrole faq....Jack
http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/safrolefaq.txt


THE BUDWIZARD 		 
 
 
 
    CRANKENSTIEN
(Stranger)
05-23-00 01:24
No 8037
User Picture  		      Re: tincture     

It was back in the med.  section by the alchol.
 hope this helps!!!!!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-23-00 01:42
No 8048
User Picture  		      Re: 4 steps from benzaldehyde to amphetamine...     

Step 1 is OK. However the C6H5CH=C(-CH3)-COOH can be converted to the Amphetamine in a less involving synthesis.
Think about it. 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Newbee)
05-23-00 02:21
No 8065
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA- via HBr     

Hey, does anyone know if safrole can be substituted for the sassafras oil in the bromanation method by pugsly that's in fester's advanced book? And if it can be, would it make a superior product.

____________________________

Society exists by chemical affinity, and not otherwise. 		 
 
 
 
    downunder
(Stranger)
05-23-00 02:23
No 8066
User Picture  		      Re: “Strong Iodine Solution” 100g/l     

Thanks for the info, its gotta be better then 2% stuff, I mean that you should get a LOT more Iodine for your money, thanks for your help !! 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 03:25
No 8085
User Picture  		      Re: People w/ big batches     

thats what SWIM has been doing but its expensive.  get this, $2.50 for a 24 count of 30 mg pills.  so pickup 4 and thats 10 dollars for 2.9 g pseudo assuming optimal extraction!  that price sucks when over the internet you can get a kilo of standardized ma huang for 40, at 100% yeild thats 80 grams ephedrine, or .50$ a gram, or a crap yield of 40 grams and thats still 1 dollar per gram.  Plus denatured alcohol and muratic acid are super cheep! 

alphabeta121 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 03:37
No 8091
User Picture  		      Re: Bright Star Synth     

well if you want I'll take them down I just put them up for bees that were having problems with it... all the questions and your great answers are provided on my page.. but its up to you, your da man. 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Stranger)
05-23-00 03:58
No 8099
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA- via HBr     

Shit,
Lissin up there greenhorns, just cause some cat posts some stuff up here doesn't mean they really did it, eventually you will learn.
The hard way.
good luck(you're gonna need it;)

THE BUDWIZARD 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-23-00 04:03
No 8103
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

Brown... thats interesting. My fridge was out for a week and its still that same antifreeze green.

Is that color (or lack of color change) a good indication that it is still ok ? 		 
 
 
 
    Barracuda1965
(Stranger)
05-23-00 04:15
No 8107
User Picture  		      Re: Soil Testing     

I hate you all!
You don't deserve to live!
Die! Die! Die!




Come on. What the hell does it take with you people?



That's Mr. Rat Bastard to you! 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-23-00 04:32
No 8112
User Picture  		      Re: The drying of solvents etc...     

Here's a quick example. Say you've been doing some extractions with DCM/water. After your extractions are finished you have mostly DCM but probably a little water. You'd like to get rid of the water by drying the stuff. In this case MgSO4 could be used. Make sure your MgSO4 is good and dry (heated in oven for a few hours) and then put it into your solution, shake a while and the MgSO4 will absorb the water. Filter your solution to get the MgSO4 out and your solution is now dry. One thing to note is, make sure your MgSO4 doesn't react with your solution or you might be in trouble. 		 
 
 
 
    Stonium
(Moderator)
05-23-00 05:00
No 8116
User Picture  		      Re: Soil Testing     

'Cuda: Is this supposed to bee a signal for me to call and talk to you or WHAT?

[confused]

Stonium 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 05:10
No 8117
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

KrZ: Tell me about your 18 step H2O route! The best method I could find 'til now is 21 steps and uses expensive starting materials...

But seriously, what's YOUR favourite way for N,N-dialkylated tryptamines ?
--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    alice_d25
(Stranger)
05-23-00 05:12
No 8118
User Picture  		      Re: tincture     

Tinture of Iodine - how do you purify the Iodine I2 from this?

This information is from MERCKS Index
To get pure, LAB Quality Iodine I2, use one of the following rxn's;

[i]   KI(?) + Cl2(g)==>2KI(?) + I2(?)

[ii]  CuSO4(?) + 2KI(?) ==>CuI(?) + KSO4(?) + 1/2 I2

My question is, how do I remove / purify the pure Iodine from solution? 

*  Can this be used with Iodine Tincture
   (KI/I2/Alc)

*  How would I remove the pure crystals? [I would prefer
   responses utilising OTC solvents etc.]

*  This should be easier with Colourless Iodine Tincture
   (KI/Alc)

*  Is there any particular method used to store I2    
   crystals to prevent moisture absorbtion from atmosphere?
 
Yours,
Alice D25

PS Who the fuck told you I was paranoid, IT WAS THEM WASN'T IT!!!

(be very careful, there's people running around behind my back telling everybody that I'm paranoid {I'm not you know}
it jus weirds me out, mainly because everybody is looking at me (i know there talking about me to each other it's not fair!!) hang on, you might be one of them, oh shit, oh fuck, I'm gettin out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!

bye bye 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Newbee)
05-23-00 06:36
No 8141
User Picture  		      Re: ok, child's play seperating lorezapam from binders     

cognodysleptic, think about what you're proposing.. That *1*mg per pill.. you know how much of that youd loose using any type of extraction? a LOT man.. You're working with a very minUTE amount of chem. And unless you have 1000 of these little beauties i suggest you just EAT EM. every extraction looses product..and in a 1mg case you're loosing it all.. if this seems like a flame please dont take it that way.. im just pissed off. peace

-------
purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 07:04
No 8148
User Picture  		      Re: Starter can distillations     

Yeah, ethanol and conc. sulphuric acid, when distilled, will give ether. Eleusis/Zwit talked about doing it. This is very dangerous. Use ice cold water in a long condenser (image a modified crystal springs jug with ice and a bilge pump, and put an ice-cold water batch on your receiving flask).

Avoid -any- sparks and have good ventillation in the room. If the temperature goes too high you get very flammable ethylene gas... store in a dark bottle in a cool place with some steel wool (to prevent peroxides from forming).

I've never done it. 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 07:17
No 8152
User Picture  		      Re: condensation problems     

No! Don't put your themometer there! It sounds like you're not using boiling stones or a stir bar.

P.S. never realize that your flask is bumping and that you forgot your boiling stones and just say to yourself "oh! ok, I'll just lift up the 3-way adapter and throw some in..."

EEK! I did that once distilling while some acetone off of something. The beauty was that I was using a water bath big enough to contain a spill-over. Otherwise I'd have burns (or worse) all over my face if it hit the exposed burner I was using. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 07:37
No 8163
User Picture  		      Re: someone answer this...     

the hcl phase is essentially the same thing as the salt, unless you are talking about in liquid solution.  but, assuming that you have 100% in and out on a/b you will never hurt your product by this change, you will just purify it further if it was impure- of course, over successive a/b you will lose some b/c that's the way things go 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-23-00 08:32
No 8186
User Picture  		      Re: extraction of drugs from your urine     

You guys are sick. Yeah, collect a few liters urine and extract it. Cool. 50mg highly contaminated MDMA from like 3 liters piss. And don't forget the yuck factor. Do you guys have an idea what piss smells like after a day, even when stored in the fridge? Ever tried to add conc. HCl to urine? Yummy, I lOVE that smell!
Maybe you should bring a big 50 gallon barrel to the next rave and make them all pee in it. Toss in some lye and DCM, mix with your hand drill, separate the organic phase and proceed with your favorite purification method. All that for a lousy gram of ugly, impure and disgusting honey. Remind me never to accept a pill from you.
Oh yeah, don't forget to save the acidic extracts too, there might be a few PPM of MDP2P in it! 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 09:47
No 8219
User Picture  		      Re: Success at last     

Hey bro, if it helps, I still fuck my gas up on a regular basis!! Of course, I could pay more attention to what the hell I'm doing...my last episode involved suck back with my gas tube which stole over half of my shit and dropped it right in the acid mix and chewed it all to hell.

Oh well, try, try again

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    foxy
(Stranger)
05-23-00 11:03
No 8245
User Picture  		      Re: Supplier needed 5 MeO DiPT Acetxoy DIPT     

Anyone get me the address of MBE or other suppliers via email. Thxs 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Newbee)
05-23-00 14:04
No 8285
User Picture  		      Re: Can a nitropropene be considered a nitrostyrene?     

Nitrostyrenes are aromatic, nitropropenes are not nesscessarily nitrostyrenes but can undergo similar reactions e.g. Fe/HCl reduction or to amine by cat.hydr. or LAH
only methylnitrostyrenes can be nitropropenes

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    gnrm23
(Stranger)
05-23-00 14:20
No 8288
User Picture  		      Re: carbon rods     

"lantern battery", 6 volts (4 x 1.5 v carbon/zinc cells), usually 2 springy things on top...

don't you folks ever sleep? 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-23-00 14:48
No 8295
User Picture  		      Re: Can a nitropropene be considered a nitrostyrene?     

Don't confuse him!

Yes, all reactions can be done with both nitrostyrenes and nitropropenes. 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 16:37
No 8323
User Picture  		      Re: Soil Testing     

Barracuda doesn't live down stream of your creek by any chance??

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 16:43
No 8327
User Picture  		      Re: Knowledge     

Ben, blaztoff, and the_phace,

Write back when you have read and understand everything in the links in the post below ;)

Post 123835 (LaBTop: "All the Chemistry links you may need. LT/", Newbee Forum)

"Every man believes he has his own good reason." 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Newbee)
05-23-00 16:46
No 8332
User Picture  		      Re: ultraviolet light     

Be careful with the UV light though, a lot of the allylbenzenes and styrene derivatives will polyermize if exposed to a large does of UV light.

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilitate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 16:52
No 8336
User Picture  		      Re: ultraviolet light     

Not to mention closure of the allyl chain into a cyclopropane and possible damage to the eye's retina

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 17:05
No 8345
User Picture  		      Re: propenylbenzene --> P2P     

>> phenyl-1,2-propanediol + H2SO4 --> P2P
>Of course it works! That's the performic!
Ok, now I understood the mechanism of the performic.
alkene  + CHOOOH --> epoxide -H2SO4-> diol -H2SO4-> ketone

funny how I stumble across things and reinvent the weel... :)

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 17:41
No 8359
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

sorry but thats the biggest load of bullshit you'll read for a while.  You might get crystals but I certaintly wouldn't smokem! 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Stranger)
05-23-00 18:27
No 8374
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

I think the take home message is that you should store it in the freezer as much as possible.  This is valuable shit yo! 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Stranger)
05-23-00 18:39
No 8382
User Picture  		      Re: bromo     

HUH?

THE BUDWIZARD 		 
 
 
 
    deltaT
(Stranger)
05-23-00 18:51
No 8387
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

Bizwax, I'm sure your ketone is good to go. I defintely think that it is a good idea to store anything valuable in the freezer or fridge. However, I think that mdp2p is much more stabile than most people think. Sunlight, I've read in TSII that impurities can cause trouble with the bisulphite trick. Perhaps that is why your 80% did not crystallize, and your 90% did. I've also read that the ketone can have a variety of smells and colors depending on what sort of reaction it comes from. I've heard everything from peppery to anisey smells. And colors from pale yellow, to now anti-freeze green, to brown. Usually mine is pale yellow with a tinge of green, a very distinctive color. In Pihkal Shulgin states that it is always yellow.

True, color change can be significant of degradation, but what may be degrading in various mdp2p mixes might not even be the ketone. It might be an small impurity that has carried over that crosslinks and polymerizes over time causing the ketone to be disguised or hidden in the murk. A _little bit_ of degradation can cause _a lot_ of darkness. But I say the ketone is probably still there in a big way. 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 18:57
No 8389
User Picture  		      Re: bromo     

Could you be a little bit more specific in your question ?

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    SammydaBull
(Stranger)
05-23-00 20:24
No 8428
User Picture  		      Re: Crystallization flames     

Well I talked to her again and got more details. She did an
Al/hg on double distilled ketone that a small portion was tested with bisulfite.The test showed the ketone was extremely pure.(white crystals in under five minutes.)The al/hg went perfect.When she did the a/b extraction she did make a mistake tho.She did not have a ph meter and over basified the solution I believe.I let her borrow mine and she tested it to see what she had taken the ph up to and it went of the scale the meter said 34 but I don't know if that is possible.Maybe this hurt the product? Anyway I dreamed that I tried to help her the other day and do the crystallization ala brightstar down to the letter.When it came time to take the ph to 5-6 ( we started with the honey-Ipa-xylene at ph 9)I added 1 drop of muriatic and the ph went to 1 I then tested the meter on dh2o and it read 7 so I'm thinking that the meter is correct.She said that she would eat the oil if it would do anything because she is not a person who does this for money just personal use and enjoyment.Thanks for any help in advance.It is Much needed as I'm sure that you bees would hate to see some honey go to waste.  Thanks.....Sammy 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 21:45
No 8445
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

sorry nye I wasn't refering to you.  I'd recommend neutralizing the ammonia evapping off the water and reacting that w/ naoh to make your NH3. 		 
 
 
 
    elvis
(Stranger)
05-23-00 22:58
No 8464
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

i wonder if i could dream about this t7 instead???

elvis aka elvario del mario conchario 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-23-00 23:38
No 8473
User Picture  		      Re: Knowledge     

Ha!  I remember the first time I looked at that thread.  It probably takes a good 10 or so minutes just to scroll through it if your read the description of each link.  It's like that fuckin' little pink bunny... 		 
 
 
 
    Synergist
(Stranger)
05-23-00 23:40
No 8474
User Picture  		      Re: Technical H2SO4     

AS a sidenote ya'll--here in the US I went to the local Home Depot and bought a 50lb sack of ammonium-sulfate fertilizer-(H8N2O4S)for roughly US$6.00-Chemfinder.com lists sulfuric acid as a psuedonym for this compuond. I noticed the structure of this compound appears to bee 2-NH3 molecules bound to 1-H2SO4 molecule--perhaps some more educated BEE's might comment on the usefulness of this compound for both NH3 production and H2SO4 production.
                                   SYNERGIST OUT 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Stranger)
05-24-00 00:32
No 8491
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

Mr.Pyrex please post the way to distill nh3 as well as how a person would go about asking for this chemical in gas or anhydros form, for legal purposes. and about how much cheaper is this stuff in 38% liquid than in gas form? any info would be very helpfull and thanks again man. 		 
 
 
 
    Synergist
(Stranger)
05-24-00 00:49
No 8497
User Picture  		      Re: MgSO4*8 H2O     

I microwave mine till bone dry. Then I put it in a pillow case and use a rolling pin on it. 		 
 
 
 
    SplattyReflux
(Stranger)
05-24-00 01:07
No 8507
User Picture  		      Re: 4 steps from dimethoxybenzene to 2CH ?     

Can't seem to find any refs for C-OH to C-NH2 that involve simple methods and reagents, but hypochlorite will  give the aldehyde without oxidizing to the carboxylic acid in good yields.

A paper, "An Optimized Procedure for the Reductive Amination of Acetophenone by the Leuckart Reaction" in Acta Chemica Scandinavica, 1993, 1045-1049, uses acetophenone (5g), formamide(5.81 g) and water(2 mL) refluxed for 6h at 205 degrees C, folowed by hydrolysis with 100 mL 6M HCl, to yield ~80% of the methylbenzylamine . Perhaps similar yields can be achieved to give 2C-H from the phenylacetaldehyde, or MDA from P2P for that matter.

...another fine mess I've got you into.
        =Splatty= 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-24-00 01:51
No 8524
User Picture  		      Re: CA 71: 30220e     

A 15% KOH solution in 50%ethanol:50%H2O solution, or a 15% KOH in ethanol.
This will allow the 1-(2,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-1,2-dichloropropane to dissolve in. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-24-00 02:39
No 8539
User Picture  		      Re: Pressure/hydrogenation vessel info??     

To calculate the final pressure as a function of temperature.
The formula is (P1/T1)=(P2/T2)
P1 is  initial pressure in atmospheres (atm)
T2 is  initial temperature in degrees Kelvin
(deg C + 273= degK)
P2 is final pressure in atm at temperature T2.
T2 is temperature increased in degrees Kelvin 
(deg C + 273= degK)

To calculate P2.
P2=(T2/T1)P1 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-24-00 04:28
No 8563
User Picture  		      Re: MgSO4*8 H2O     

if you seal it up while hot in a tupperware and then wait a few weeks will it still be anhydrous? 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-24-00 04:38
No 8569
User Picture  		      Re: People w/ big batches     

3.75 a box?  try $7.50 where I live!!!
what a fucking. 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-24-00 05:34
No 8592
User Picture  		      Re: curbing neurotoxic effects of MDMA     

Have you tried S-E-X ? 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-24-00 05:41
No 8599
User Picture  		      Re: hg-salt what is it     

Could be HgCl or HgCl2. Search the web for acq - you'll find it. 		 
 
 
 
    dilaudid
(Stranger)
05-24-00 06:16
No 8612
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

Thought I'd just try to defend Cathrasis in saying that steam distillation is a valuable technique that people are afraid to get in to. I've read some posts in the past regarding that some brave ones have tried, but received meager %'s of the juice.

I can not speak from expirience yet, but looking into the process, and investing some effort in it, will produce in the end.  Mind you it will take "alot" of raw plant material to produce suficiant oil, but I mean it takes 5 gallons of maple sap to produce a gallon of refined syrup, but dont those pankcakes taste better folks. Its not going to rain sassafrass oil one day, you have to go out there and get it.

I will try to post some hard data on this in the future like: Process, cost, gain margin loss, stock bonds etc.
instead of just giving a public service anoucement 		 
 
 
 
    Ointment
(Stranger)
05-24-00 06:44
No 8623
User Picture  		      Re: Crystalizing GHB     

You can boil off all the h2o and you'll be left with "crystalline" Na-GHB or K-GHB. 		 
 
 
 
    Simpleman
(Hive Bee)
05-24-00 06:50
No 8627
User Picture  		      Re: Freebase     

B_S you havn't been over to the "Third Playdough" have you? 
 
 The above quote was taken from AP's post on the couch!

~What baffles me is, If "life" is a learning process then why are we born "alive"?~  		 
 
 
 
    sunlight
(Stranger)
05-24-00 08:17
No 8651
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

No, no, it reacted perfectly when it was distilled and used time ago, and now nothing. It seems the more impurities, the more it degrades.
And about colour, pure ketone is pale yellow, but it seems that colour changes depending on the way you go to it. 		 
 
 
 
    SammydaBull
(Stranger)
05-24-00 09:00
No 8667
User Picture  		      Re: Pressure/hydrogenation vessel info??     

Hey guys I should have made myself more clear before.Do not EVER heat anything in the vessel I described above.I'm sure that most bees knew that but several years ago when I was a very new bee I read a post and followed it's directions.Well lets just say that after spending 1 1/2 months in the hospital for severe burns and many months of rehab and plastic surgery I learned to research stuff before attempting to do a reaction no matter WHO posts it. Thanks.....Sammy 		 
 
 
 
    pathogen
(Stranger)
05-24-00 10:19
No 8695
User Picture  		      Re: OTC source for conc. H2O2     

Assuming you don't have equip. take 3% solution, put in anything that can handle 100° heat, let it evap, use math, keep temp. below 152° till you have percentage you want.  Water boils at 100°, H²O² at 152.1°.... I think this is where I'm supposed to say "Use the fukkin' search engine"! smile 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-24-00 11:52
No 8709
User Picture  		      Re: Al/Hg and somewhat impure ketone     

Doesn't matter. The safrole will come out unchanged and can be removed by an A/B extraction and during the crystallisation. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Stranger)
05-24-00 11:58
No 8710
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA- via HBr     

budwizard,
I fully appreciate your concern. It sounds as if it is well-founded based on previous experimentation and you don't want a fellow bee to waste time when you can save them from that. However, this is a theoretical discussion board and we discuss, from a purely academic perspective, how certain chemicals would be prepared if one was so inclined. Because academics are a curious bunch, they are always on the lookout for new methods and how to optimize existing methods. Now if the addition of HBr across the double bond on safrole has caused problems in the past, it should be our goal to join heads and figure out how we can make it work well.
Now can anyone tell me about the substitution rxn in which -Br is swapped for -CH2-NH2? I know there is a "bomb" write-up on the Rhodium site but I just don't like the sound of it. I'm investigating some journal articles a fellow bee has suggested and they may shed some light on my questions. However, in the meantime, can anyone tell me:
1) rxn temp
2) rxn time
3) x-s of Me-NH2 used
when the substitution is carried out at atmospheric pressure and preferably reasonably low temp?
Thankyou all and again, Budwizard, I appreciate your concern,
Synthman

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
05-24-00 12:06
No 8712
User Picture  		      Re: Crystallization flames     

It is unlikely it is damaged by the base, perhaps it is wise that the ab extraction is re-performed . Stringent pH controls should not be important, deliquescence often occurs when distillation of the oil is skipped or if the salt is precipetated too rapidly.
But within all probability the honey can be spread on toast without further worry

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-24-00 13:30
No 8731
User Picture  		      Re: BS synth ?s     

The only 'cure' is knowledge.  But that's not necessary ...

Imagination is more important than knowledge.  -A.Einstein

I think you'll be just fine.    wink


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    firestorm
(Stranger)
05-24-00 13:30
No 8732
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras in Holland?     

Cool! Where is it sold exactly?
Ive read in the Grundstoffüberwachungsgesetz that every safrole-containing oil is scheduled. Why is it possible to get camphor oil?

Thanx

--------------------------
Sorry for my bad english! 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-24-00 13:41
No 8736
User Picture  		      Re: curbing neurotoxic effects of MDMA     

There was a paper a few months ago detailing an experiment where DXM actually  prevented the neuro toxicity.
Anybody have that refrence?


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-24-00 13:43
No 8738
User Picture  		      Re: Bright Star Synth     

The synth is free.   You may do anything you want to do with it, except sell it.
I would consider it an honor.

whats the url for your page?


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-24-00 13:47
No 8739
User Picture  		      Re: Hex > Mex     

First off ... Thanks!

Second ... this is a touchy method.    I'm not saying that it doesn't work, because many people here have gotten
it to work.   But I've never tried it.     I would keep the ratios the same for the maximum yields ... HCl is cheap, so no real problem there.  

Good Luck, and tell us how it went.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
05-24-00 14:08
No 8743
User Picture  		      Re: Effects of Volatile Anesthetics     

Xenon..an anaesthetic??
Is this a method of depriving the brain of oxygen as it is a noble gas, would not argon, neon & helium have the same effect

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    tinkerer
(Stranger)
05-24-00 15:34
No 8763
User Picture  		      Re: curbing neurotoxic effects of MDMA     

does anyone know about or has anyone tried combos of any of the following:

benzylpiperazine (BZP)
3-triflouromethylphenylpiperazine (TFMPP)
3-chlorophenylpiperazine (3-CPP)

ill have more ideas/info later...

--tinkerer--

...this is your brain... 		 
 
 
 
    Fatass
(Stranger)
05-24-00 15:44
No 8766
User Picture  		      Re: piperidine     

'Tis controlled though.  Most piperidine derivatives are.  They are used in the synthesis of
phencyclidine (PCP).

Piperididone, piperidine with a carbonyl group in the 4 position is also controlled due to the
ability to synthesize a number of synthetic narcotics (opiates) with it, i.e. Demerol, fentenyl. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-24-00 16:38
No 8782
User Picture  		      Re: 4 steps from dimethoxybenzene to 2CH ?     

2,5-DMB can be reduced to 2,5-MeO-toluene with Zn/Hg (clemmensen reduction).

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Fliptamine
(Stranger)
05-24-00 16:47
No 8788
User Picture  		      Re: curbing neurotoxic effects of MDMA     

There are two ways that I know of to cut down on the neurotoxicity of taking E.  The first is to take a couple 5-HTP about 6 hours after the end of your peak.  5-HTP is an intermediate in the biotransformation from tryptophan to serotonin so when you take 5-HTP, you are indirectly giving yourself a little serotonin boost.  By cutting down the amount of time that your brain goes without having any serotonin, you are keeping dopamine from entering into the wrong neurons (when dopamine is allowed to enter the serotonin neurons it starts oxidizing things, destroying the neurons).  You can get 5-HTP at your local GNC store.

The other preventative measure is to take one Prozac about 6 hours after the end of your peak.  By a slightly different process, Prozac also keeps dopamine out of the serotonin neurons (by blocking the channels whereas with 5-HTP simply having serotonin makes the channels unavailable to dopamine).

I have never used Prozac but I always take 5-HTP now after I roll.  I strongly believe in the importance of this.  And you will be able to tell from the comedown...you can tell that the 5-HTP helps a lot.  It definitely eliminates post-E depression (for me that is, don't go taking a shitload of 5-HTP the next day just because it doesn't seem to be working -- this isn't the most exact of sciences at this point) and I feel ZERO brain-fuck when I take it. 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Stranger)
05-24-00 16:59
No 8794
User Picture  		      Re: curbing neurotoxic effects of MDMA     

I believe in the brain damaging effects/neurotoxicity of this substance and SWIM had a 1st hand experience of MDXX causing lower intelligence.  For him, an A in orgo 1 turned into a C+ in orgo 2 due lowered brain capacity.  So SWIM only plans on taking MDXX once or twice more in his lifetime.

Anyway, prozac is supposed to work but i haven't seen any non-theoretical proof.  Doesn't it take weeks for a depressed patient on prozac to feel the effects?  Then how can we garantee that Prozac, taken after rolling, reached the reuptake proteins in the seratonin neurons in time to counter neurotoxicity?
Anyone know the answer to this. 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Stranger)
05-24-00 17:03
No 8796
User Picture  		      Re: curbing neurotoxic effects of MDMA     

Oh yeah,
whatever that BZP report might suggest, it may resemble the effects of shitty crank.  But it cannot be compared to ice because the effects of 200-250 mg injested only lasts 2-3 hours and is much weaker.
(And the tolerance increase is massive)
That's what SWIM mentioned, at least. 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Stranger)
05-24-00 17:10
No 8800
User Picture  		      Re: Effects of Volatile Anesthetics     

yo,
In case anyone was still wondering, i learned that ether differs from modern VAs in mechanism.  Although the mech of modern VAs hasn't been completely discovered or proven, the current theory suggests it effects presynaptic neuron vesicle docking.  VAs may likely affect 3 proteins which are fundamental for docking: syntaxin, SNAP25, and VAMP.  Meanwhile, ether affects Potassium channels.
Anesthesiology research kicks ass! 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-24-00 18:31
No 8833
User Picture  		      Re: Portable Lab in a Box     

Were I you I'd buy one of those steamer trunks with the padlock hasp on it ("heightened expectation of privacy", a legal obstacle to non--warranted searches) and get that foam padding that you can custom cut to hold your pieces safely and silently.

zool 		 
 
 
 
    Barracuda1965
(Newbee)
05-24-00 19:23
No 8848
User Picture  		      Re: Soil Testing     

Mr Enfield and I are separated by the largest fresh water estuary in the world. His wastes are impossible to detect from where I am. I suppose if he were to use the U.S. mail....

Ah Osmium,

I knew if I asked nicely enough someone would be able to provide a gentle shove in the right direction. Don't overlook my bunsen burner test tube technique however. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

There are obviously lead based paint particles in the yard. The house was built in 1909 and has been painted at least ten times. Oldtimers in the neighborhood have told me that the low spots in the local terrain were filled with rubble fom the 1906 earthquake. The things I have found tend to support this. Some of these things include chunks of fancy polished marble probably fom mantles or floors. A large stash of pennies all dating before 1918, an 1857 silver English florin (a coin equivalent to 2 shillings), a silver pocket knife, pieces of fancy china, silver ware and more.  Kind of dumb fun, but that's what I like anyway.

I'm just wondering about the chemical make up of some of that dirt that's all

Later, 

That's Mr. Rat Bastard to you! 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Hive Bee)
05-24-00 20:45
No 8864
User Picture  		      Re: Making nickel chloride     

I just replied to your message...

I wouldn't convert the NiCO3 into NiCl2, I think that the NiCO3 will work just fine...  Keep in mind the different molar weight.

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilitate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-24-00 21:27
No 8881
User Picture  		      Re: Crystallization flames     

The over basification shoul not hurt it.
The Starting pH is about right (9).

How much 'oil' was there?



http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    CherrieBaby
(Stranger)
05-24-00 22:03
No 8895
User Picture  		      Re: 4 steps from benzaldehyde to amphetamine...     

reduction of the C=C, then COOH --> CO-NH2 and finally hoffman rearrangement - yes there's a classic journal article from the 30's or 40's that describes exactly that.

HBr may add in a Markownikoff (as with safrole) or anti-Markownikoff manner (when a peroxide catalyst is present). But that carboxyl group will have a major impact (pulling electrons towards it) - so will the phenyl - I would think that the Br will attach to the carbon between the benzyl carbon and the carboxyl group as psyloxy says.

psyloxy Are you sure that the K-Phtalimide will react as you want it to with that big carboxyl group getting in the way (sterically) and sucking all the electrons towards it? Maybe you can get the Br on the C but will you be able to do anything with it? 		 
 
 
 
    KomboSparkles
(Stranger)
05-24-00 23:32
No 8918
User Picture  		      Mdma     

Whassup!
I've read a couple of your replies on the notes about neurotoxicity & E, i was wondering if you could drop some wisdom upon me bout the whole thing. I jes bought a bottle of 5-htp dis weekend, but i've been taken em daily (lyke ah dumbazz probbabbly) dere 50 mg pillz, so lyke whatz yer opinion on dosage/and when to take it?

(please 4give mah ignorance for this upcoming part) I thought that when u roll lyke seratonin levels are almost nil, and that it takes your brain like 2 weeks to restore it to natural levels. (idunno i red it offa dancesafe.org)

but any advice wuld b greatli-E appreciated, so as to make shure dat evrahbaudis sayfe in da end. Well lataz bro

PEACE! (LUR too)
Kombo  		 
 
 
 
    KomboSparkles
(Stranger)
05-24-00 23:40
No 8921
User Picture  		      gee u know alot     

Whassup!
I've been reading posts bout neurotoxicity & E, and noticed you got a whole lot of wisdom 2 drop, about this whole thing. I was wondering if u could please help inform us party kids as to what you think we should in order to safer n better use mdma. danx bro!

PEACE! (LUR too)
Kombo! 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-24-00 23:59
No 8924
User Picture  		      Post deleted by zooligan     

 
 
 
 
    el_oso
(Stranger)
05-25-00 00:10
No 8929
User Picture  		      Re: biochemistry of the future : been there done..     

http://www.linuxstart.com/~prion 		 
 
 
 
    Teonanacatl
(Newbee)
05-25-00 00:37
No 8936
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

Lilienthal: do you have an idea at what price the indole-EtOH is available and if it is watched or something ?


Not sure about scheduling...:
Tryptophol
500g  US $3.35/g
1000g US $2.60/g

this is bulk pricing through Biosynth

EC 2.1.1.XX
EC 1.14.XX.X

 
 
 
 
    Nutmeg238
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 01:28
No 8949
User Picture  		      Re: 4 steps from benzaldehyde to amphetamine...     

That compound (refering to my first post in this thread) is also known as phenyl 1,2-propanediol which you mentioned in another thread.  		 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Stranger)
05-25-00 01:58
No 8957
User Picture  		      Re: Oil of roses     

Sorry the fragrance name of the compound it oil of roses. This is not a restricted thing.All looks good for an oxidation unless im mistaken. 		 
 
 
 
    neville
(Newbee)
05-25-00 02:40
No 8975
User Picture  		      Re: The next step     

does the hydrogenator have to be made out of inert material would stainless steel be ok . someone sugested to me an old stainless steel fire extinguishedr may be able to be used but is stainless steel safe to use anyone know also would you need a pressure relief valve 		 
 
 
 
    tinkerer
(Stranger)
05-25-00 03:26
No 8994
User Picture  		      Re: biochemistry of the future     

thanks for the interesting links.

a bitch to accomplish?

i think anything worthwhile doing a bitch to accomplish!

as far as DNA altering to form enzymes which produce E freebase, i have just the slightest concept of how this would be possible.  have any biochemistry studies been performed to discover/isolate the enzymes responsible for safrole/isosafrole production in plants?  im sure with an infinite amount of time and a HELLA lot of amino-tinkering an enzyme could be designed and perhaps produced by further DNA tinkering to change that darned propylene to a 2-(methylamino)propane.  if such a gene could be isolated and spliced in one bacteria, could, after several generations millions of mdma producing bacteria replace the current methods of oxidation, reductive amination...  i did not ask if it was feasible, only if it was possible.  does anyone here have particular expertise in biochemistry and genetics?

--tinkerer--


...this is your brain... 		 
 
 
 
    deltaT
(Stranger)
05-25-00 03:30
No 9002
User Picture  		      Re: yield of isosafrole     

You know, I've read in TSII that only the trans form of isosafrole produces the right md-p2p. 		 
 
 
 
    scram
(Stranger)
05-25-00 03:58
No 9009
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

Take about 100-300ml of the oil, place in a 1 litre glass jar, let it sit out in the open for an hour or so (I dont really know if that part is necessary) to allow dust particles to hit the oil. place in your freezer at least 4c or colder. Allow it to sit undisturbed in the coldest part of the freezer. It will show crystals within hours. To speed it up just rub some oil around the chilled glass and put back in freezer. after 1 day it should all be ice. The worst stuff would only freeze at lowest temps of -15c (NOW brand oil). Good oil will freez at ~0 to -5c. Kick ass oil will freeze at 5c. If it does not freeze just try dropping a few ml of ice cold oil into a frozen glass jar, quickly put it back in the freezer. You must have alot of air in the jar for crystalization to start. Swimn gets his raw oil (500ml in a 1000ml jar) in the fridge portion for 3 days so it  stays at a constant 5c. He then hits it with a frozen seed as big as a raisin and crystallization starts in seconds and reach the top of the oil in 1 hours. You want to try to get the warmest possible temp that you know it will congeal at. This allows the safrole to uniformally spead from the walls of the glass inward. Meanwhile, the ice will sink and will push the yellow/orange crap upward allowing it to float above solid clear liquid. Orange gunk is then decanted off. Allow the clear stuff to melt completely and repeat the process with a warmer temp of say 4c. Usually after the second freezing is done, the remainining clear/off gold oil will congeal at exactly 10 to 11c. If your oil is like slims, then you only lose ~ -12% of the original oil. Keep the seeds for your next freezing. If that fails, put some oil in a KRV and pump it to 50 psi and place in freezer. It will freeze easily this way. Once it frozen in 20 minutes this way. 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-25-00 04:33
No 9024
User Picture  		      Re: Portable Lab in a Box     

Yes it's hell. The biggest problem is paranoia which leads to hurrying your procedures which leads to lower yeilds and lack of sleep and lots of looking out the rearview mirror of your car.

How will you clean your wares ? 		 
 
 
 
    tweety
(Stranger)
05-25-00 05:44
No 9051
User Picture  		      Re: People w/ big batches     

where i live you can buy 60/120 mg Psudo/eph no active ing. just a tricky binder but the shits expensive..its like $25 for 1 bottle ...but now the place where i get them arent going to carry then anymore....too much traffic they say...So now its to (the cure ) and hope all goes well

In my dream i went from leg breaker to dope maker<time to wake up,I cant SWIM> 		 
 
 
 
    L8er
(Stranger)
05-25-00 05:52
No 9055
User Picture  		      Re: People w/ big batches     

Tweety one thinks if you read label you will find psuedo e as active ingredient 		 
 
 
 
    Chopper_
(Newbee)
05-25-00 06:19
No 9061
User Picture  		      Re: Pressure/hydrogenation vessel info??     

Ive wondered in the past whether a small scuba tank could be modified for these purposes. 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 06:20
No 9062
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

I am not saying that GHB/GBL is not addictive as soem of you claim you were! But I would say it really says something about your personality if you let something like this compound get hold of you!
Hey some people are addicted to the internet, does this mean its dangerous..NO, just thatsome people cannot handle anything! You have a obsessive compulsive personality!

Control and willpower is the key!
Give up, grow up, and get a grip!

Huh! 		 
 
 
 
    dregnor
(Stranger)
05-25-00 09:11
No 9110
User Picture  		      Re: gbl     

just send for a test package.
its only like 20 bucks. 		 
 
 
 
    Phreaky
(Stranger)
05-25-00 09:57
No 9121
User Picture  		      Re: gbl     

I'm contimplating posting a great source. Prices are slightly higher, but it's pharmecutical grade, so it's worth the extra. I will wait to see what other Bees think. It is to my knowledge that posting sources is not proper etiquite. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-25-00 10:04
No 9123
User Picture  		      Re: 4 steps from benzaldehyde to amphetamine...     

Yes Wizard I agree that benzylic cations are the most stable. But this topic isn't quite resolved IMHO. Apply this to the famous/hated P2Pol synth and you will come to the conclusion that it's not that easy. Apparently allylbenzene and H2SO4 will produce P2Pol, and not the P1Pol.

Why? It doesn't make sense! 		 
 
 
 
    bennie
(Newbee)
05-25-00 12:10
No 9140
User Picture  		      Re: Nickel vs Pd     

thanks
another one for my notebook
buying a used chem book so I can boneup on this sort of thing and have a reference on hand...glad there is ebay! 		 
 
 
 
    xochi
(Stranger)
05-25-00 12:32
No 9142
User Picture  		      Re: eucalyptus - mescaline     

The monomerstrukture of lignin consists of guajacylpropane and syringylpropane units. Are there any other aldehydes formed than vanillin and syringaldehyde?

If there were some easy breakdown reactions for lignin, it would be the cheapest precursors ever.smile  		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 12:45
No 9144
User Picture  		      Re: People w/ big batches     

the ones SWIM buys from Wally-world are Equate and no povidone, at 3.75 a box of 96.....even at 1.00 a 24 counter it would be over 4.00 plus tax to achieve 96....hello?

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    bornagainpagan
(Newbee)
05-25-00 12:47
No 9146
User Picture  		      Re: extraction of drugs from your urine     

Hmmm ... Reflux piss i don't think so have you ever gone camping and decided to put the fire out by pissin on it? Well in case you haven't it don't smell to pertty as for that fag he gives me a much better idea for drug from piss extraction.        1.) Piss in A Jar     2.) gladly sell him a big jar of piss     3.)Next point him in the direction of the cookwares isle at wal*mart for the turkeybaster of his choice.
 Reaction complete.


Lawz without victims serve no purpose other than to increase crime. 		 
 
 
 
    xochi
(Stranger)
05-25-00 12:50
No 9148
User Picture  		      Re: trimebutine     

Is it possible to reduce it with LDA without any big losses? 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 13:12
No 9152
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C at home     

Saw another post about this subject in this forum so I thought I'd kick this one back to the top. 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 13:16
No 9153
User Picture  		      Re: The next step     

I'm curious about this myself.  I have a line on a 316 stainless Parr vessel w/internal stirrer which would be perfect for this type of reaction, it it's safe. 		 
 
 
 
    mr_pyrex
(Stranger)
05-25-00 13:24
No 9159
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

Ok first I'll go over the aquistion of the Aqua Ammonia, since it is the simplest.  It should be available at ANY retail pool store, and if they don't have it, then very likely they can get it from where the "pool guys" get their supplies...pool supply wholesalers, who by the way won't sell to Joe Public without a pool business license and contractors license.  It is called-Aqua Ammonia, Ammonia, or Ammonium Hydroxide.  On the bottle it is likely to say '28 Be'...I believe this represents the Ammonia content dissolved in water (28%).  It should run no more then $5.00 a gallon, my cost was like $3.50.  BE FOREWARNED, it is possible to clear a room of people in record time by just cracking the lid on the bottle.  I used to do that for sh**s and grins at the suppliers showroom if they happened to be slow about filling my order, but mind you these people had a sense of humor, I wouldn't recommend it unless of course your a terrorist ;-).  Anyways, here is how it would be used, in case they ask or you want to drop a few details-You have a pool that hasn't been maintained for a couple of months and now has turned into a swamp, you can't even see the bottom, and you want to clear it up like yesterday, for a pool party this weekend.  Here is how you can do it, you get 1 gallon Aqua Ammonia and 2 gallons of liquid chlorine, and the ratio to use is for a 20,000 gallon pool, running the pump during the treatment would be optional, you would add the 2 gallons chlorine to the water, then 5 minutes later, after taking a deep breath, you open the ammonia and add 1/2 a gallon to the pool and then RUN! Don't be downwind for at least an hour.  Then like magic, usually within hours the pool water will start clearing and everything living or not will drop to the bottom and by the following day you would have a perfectly clear pool, all you would need to do is vaccuum(sp?) the bottom, clean the filter and then shock it and its would be ready to use!  By the way, if someone IS reading this and IS planning on treating their own pool by way of this method let me highly recommend against it!  There are many varibles that need to be weighed before this treatment is even considered, it is a last resort and the side effects can be disastrous if you don't know what you doing, take me for example-I aquired this method from over hearing a conversation between two other pool guys, and didn't over hear the formula to follow (2 gal +1/2 gal for 20k gal H20), and me (mr knowitall) got the chems and decided to try it on a pool acct that I had just picked up for that very reason, to clear it up.  I dumped in 4gallons chlorine and 1 gallon ammonia and just like they had described the next day it was crystal clear, HOWEVER the bottom of this black bottom pool was now PERMANENTLY BLUE, this due to the fact that I overdosed so much on the chems and the treatment is so harsh on the water, that all the dissolved copper in the water from the plumbing, couldn't stay in solution and fell to the bottom and stained it, luckly the pool had been so bad for so long they didn't care or realize that it was my treatment that damaged their pool, they were just happy to have something to swim in finally.  Anyways if they recommend having someone say from their store do it for you or something like that, just tell em you've done it before and your well aware of how to use it and to just get it for you, so you can get the job done.  It won't even cross their minds that you might possibly be using it for something else, so don't be nervous.  Now after you get it, you'll need a couple of other things if you plan on distilling it...Acetone or Toluene (others can be used too), Dry Ice (solid CO2), drying agent that doesn't react with ammonia, and distilling apparatus.  It should be noted that this method for making anhydrous ammonia can be a real pain in the as* and can make even the most determined people think twice about it.  If you still want to here is how-First get a distilling vessel (it should be lab glassware, not plastic or metal).  Then fill it up about 1/3 of the way with your Aqua Ammonia.  Ideally you should have a glass connector designed to connect the flask and condensor together, but if not then stopper it with a holed stopper and from this stopper, tubing (plastic is fine, opaque, like home depot type) should connect to a condensor which has room temperature water going thru it, cooler is better, but isn't required.  Then the outlet of the condensor should be fed into a receiving vessel such as another flask with a 2 holed stopper one hole with the inlet tube leading half way to the bottom and the outlet side with tubing inserted just flush with the stopper and then leading out and into the drying agent.  This is the first receiving vessel and is for condensing the water content not the Ammonia, so it should be cooled with just ice water.  Here is what is suppose to happen, the hot vapors come in, the water condenses on the sides and falls to the bottom while the majority of the Ammonia just comes in one tube and then gets pushed out the other due to the pressure from the distilling vessel. Now the exiting ammonia will be relatively free of water but it needs to be 100% water free and this is accomplished by drying it with a drying agent, the preferred I believe was Calcium Oxide, but in my case I didn't have it and after looking thru the Merck decided to use Sodium Hydroxide (Red Devil Lye) since they didn't appear to interact negatively.  The lye should be dry, meaning not clumping together.  I had made a dryer setup by filling a flask 3/4 full with sodium hydroxide and the inlet tube (from the first receiving vessel) leading to below the surface of the lye and the outlet tube was just flush with the stopper (basically the same as the first receiving vessel, only differences being this one isn't cooled and this one contains lye).  Finally the outlet from this dryer leading into a flask that is being cooled by a mixture of dry ice and acetone or dry ice and toluene (acetone mix temp is around -95, toluene is like -85), either way , the tubing should go close to the bottom but doesn't touch it.  What will happen is the ammonia vapors come in and as soon as they get in cool to well below the b.p. of NH3 thereby condensing immediately and collecting in this flask which is considered the second receiving flask, this flask should have a exit tube also, this is to prevent pressurization, normally this exit tubing shouldn't have any fumes coming from it as long as you keep the flask cooled with the solvent/dry ice mix.  Thats whats needed, and heating of distilling vessel should be minimal, once you start distilling it and enough ammonia vaporizes to fill all the containers and makes it through to the last vessel it will condense quickly and then the amount collecting will dropoff rapidly even with a large increase in the distilling temperature, this due to the fact you have released most all of the ammonia in the Aqua Ammonia, and are now just distilling water.  Once you observe this you can carefully switch the distilling vessel with a new flask containing fresh Aqua Ammonia.  Be aware when you take the first flask off, if you have been heating it heavily and then disconnect it while it is still real hot the instant decrease in backpressure is sometimes enough to cause it to boilover out of the flask or at least give you a good whiff of the ammonia. 
  Now as for aquiring NH3 from chem suppliers, this is something that I could only tell ya that it was only say a year or two ago that Gilligan obtained it by walking into chem supplier giving them the $150.00 deposit on the tank and the +/- $100.00 for the NH3, and Gilligan sailed off into the sunset with his monster tank of NH3, I say monster cause it was necessary to use forklift to move it to Gilligan's boat, it can't be lifted, few hundred pounds.  Maybe things have changed, and it would be an attention getter now, but it didn't for Gilligan back then.  Laslty but surely not least, if your going to mess with ammonia, BE PREPARED, it only takes one good whiff of it and IT WILL STEAL YOUR BREATH AWAY!! AND YOUR NOSE WILL RUN LIKE A WATERFALL!!  This is NO joke!!  It is not a chemical to take lightly, if you make a mistake with this chemical and are unable to clear away from it's fumes quick enough you very possibly could end up dead!  It can kill you!!  Pyrex out of the NH3 mushroom cloud :-) 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Newbee)
05-25-00 13:28
No 9162
User Picture  		      NaNO3 >> NaNO2 & more     

Are there any caracteristics exhibited by NaNO2 that are not exhibited by NaNO3, that could be used to confirm that the conversion from NaNO3 >> >> NaNO2 actually took place?

I found this on a condom wrapper in the gay section of town

"when the NaNO3 reached its MP (305C) a viscous clear liquid was obtained. there remained a  fuzzy flakelike precipitate that did not melt. Initially there were small bubbles on the surface although they formed too slowly to see them form. After 2hrs at 400C these bubbles were no longer visible, and conversion was assumed to be complete. When weighed afterwards no appreciable loss of mass was apparent. After cooling it formed a shiny surfaced glob in flask which shrunk enough to permit easy removal"

So was the above a successful conversion to NaNO2? This bee has his doubts.

Also received an email from CHEM_GUY (hope you don’t mind that I post it CHEM_GUY)

"There was an actual write up by some bee on the old novel forum about urushibara nickel catalysts and the hydrogenation of a nitroalkane. The bee didn't reqally know what he was
doing though, he though it was along the same lines as the Al/Hg amalgam. The way he did it there wasn't any sucess.

He use a nitroalkene and added NiCl2 and then added Al. Then he added NaOH and Al, which produced monotomic hydrogen. I beleive it failed because the solution was caustic, so I
 think that if instead of NaOH a bee were to add dilute H2SO4 or dilute HCl the reaction would take place. Also the greater amount of NiCl2 added the quicker the hydrogenation will take place."





Antibody can only repeat what antibody has gleaned from used condom wrappers! 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-25-00 13:31
No 9163
User Picture  		      Re: eucalyptus - mescaline     

Well, I seem to remember that minor amounts of 4-OH-benzaldehydes were detected in some oxidised samples too.

The syringyl/guaiacyl ratio varies greatly in different lignines. I think hardwood lignines have more syringyl units than softwoods and grasses, but I'm not completely sure of that right now. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-25-00 13:42
No 9168
User Picture  		      Re: Anthranilic Acid     

Yes, that is the preferred method, to react phtalimide with NaOH/Br2 (=hypobromite). But to avoid using bromine (which is not OTC and also very yucky), methacosmic developed the reaction to work with aqueous hypochlorite (bleach) instead.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-25-00 13:45
No 9169
User Picture  		      Re: trimebutine     

In my world LDA is short for Lithium DiisopropylAmide, which cannot be used for reductions. Could you clarify your question?

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 13:49
No 9172
User Picture  		      Re: gbl     

hey email me sources, and I'll put them up on a page at my web site so that their not as public.  		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Stranger)
05-25-00 14:02
No 9180
User Picture  		      Re: Halosaf via DMSO not working, NMR data to proove     

Rhodium,
isn't an x-s of HBr needed to produce concentrations high enough for the addition to properly proceed?

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Lysergic25
(Stranger)
05-25-00 14:27
No 9189
User Picture  		      Re: Labtop's chemistry link's of all a bee should need     

It might be just me, but I can't get your page to load at all.  Actually, I've been trying to get on there for a couple days now and I just keep getting HTML script. 		 
 
 
 
    roger1052
(Stranger)
05-25-00 14:55
No 9202
User Picture  		      Re: about RP     

It will needs to be cleaned before you use it. I use Aqua-girl's process ( acetone, muratic acid, h2o). After you clean it with acetone and dry it screen it, it's probably a good idea to dry and screen it after each step.  I do a cleaning after each use and so far have had pretty good luck. Most E/I2/Rp/ ratio's I've seen say to use 2X-3X the amount of MB RP but if you've done a good cleaning I would use same amount of RP as E.
Good Luck.  		 
 
 
 
    Lysergic25
(Stranger)
05-25-00 14:58
No 9204
User Picture  		      Re: methcathinone     

Yeah, it's on Rhodium's site, just click on the big "Rhodium" at the bottom of the page.  It's on there somewhere. 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 15:22
No 9211
User Picture  		      Re: Labtop's chemistry link's of all a bee should need     

Well i clicked on it myself and had email from people saying that it works.  So it just must be you, out of curiousity did you turn off redirecting in you browser options or something like that.  Cause my page redirects to an angelfire site.

http://geocities.com/b1ck_d/

I wanna b like rhod. 		 
 
 
 
    chefRAQUAN
(Stranger)
05-25-00 15:30
No 9213
User Picture  		      Re: Labtop's chemistry link's of all a bee should need     

nice page very informative...and yes your counter is working 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 16:53
No 9237
User Picture  		      Re: Labtop's chemistry link's of all a bee should need     

C'mon Black_death, I thought you knew a bit about computers?
That webpage is a pretty piss poor affort!
I've seen toddlers throw shit at cardboard and look better then that!
Keep up the good work!

Huh! 		 
 
 
 
    Euphorium_727
(Stranger)
05-25-00 17:10
No 9243
User Picture  		      Re: Technical H2SO4     

Think it is necessary to have a two-compartment electrolytic
cell separated by a membrane.
In patents USPat 5230779 and USPat 5423959
They use cation exchange membrane.
Where to get such membranes.


Sincerely Euphorium_727 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 19:32
No 9281
User Picture  		      Re: Bright Star Synth     

no add banners, why is a site up without add banners.  read the interview about how they have master keys and the guy who runs it sidestepped the question about them.  Plus bees here including myself have had problems with it going down on only 1 account saying that its under maintance and then messages are no longer there.  Its a front blah.  Privacyx encryption you can see


http://geocities.com/b1ck_d/

I wanna b like rhod. 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-25-00 19:55
No 9287
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

>In this case you will get, 4-chloro-DMT. 4-Cl-DMT looks pretty damn psychoactive
>to me, and could also be converted to psilocin or even 4-methoxy-psilocin!

so what are you waiting for ??

[ok, nonsense post, but I'm happy...]

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    scram
(Stranger)
05-25-00 20:03
No 9289
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

Well, if distiallation is necessary, I guess that some 82g of white powder obtained from the last 4 reactions must have been some type of pyschoactive table salt. 		 
 
 
 
    SammydaBull
(Stranger)
05-25-00 22:18
No 9325
User Picture  		      Re: sassy nightmares     

I never said that you could not make honey without a distillation kit but trust me it takes away allot of the headaches envolved in most reactions.I don't think you will find to many people that will disagree with that.Besides I could have distilled 25liters of sassy in the time this guy has spent fucking around with his freezer....Sammy 		 
 
 
 
    furanone
(Stranger)
05-26-00 01:44
No 9370
User Picture  		      Re: DO NOT DRINK!!     

Exact same thing happend to a friend of mine the other day.
Had to add substantial amount of vinegar in order to bring down ph. Same procedure was followed as all the others why did this happen. 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Bee)
05-26-00 05:46
No 9444
User Picture  		      Re: People w/ big batches     

This guy I know invested $2000 over time to do his first batch! but never rushed into anything, and kept reading and learning and UNDERSTANDING until he was sure he was ready to try his first batch! But when he did it was successful (2.5oz)and that more then made up for his investment and then some!

Patience my fellow bees!

Huh! 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Newbee)
05-26-00 13:13
No 9573
User Picture  		      Re: Yoda's instructions wrong ?     

Another thing, DMT freebase doesn't always crystalize easily. Put in the freezer? Also I hear it dissolves into warm naptha better.

-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Stranger)
05-26-00 14:10
No 9588
User Picture  		      Re: Halosaf via DMSO not working, NMR data to proove     

Chopper,
that DMSO synth is on Rhodium's site under "chloro/bromo/iodo safrole" or something to that effect- look under the MDMA synths.
Can you further clarify this statement:
"So, if one was to use an aqueous solution hydrobromic acid below 50% conc. in a similar synth involving H2SO4, the addition of water would proceed in preference to the addition of HBr, and youd get sweet fuck all of brominated product."
When you follow the HBr(aq) route, you don't add sulfuric so there isn't that problem. Now if you mean the buscuit2 synthesis, the concentration of Br- is fucking high and there would be little water anyway if the solvent didn't happen to be totally anhydrous.
Synthman

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    tweakin
(Stranger)
05-26-00 14:54
No 9613
User Picture  		      Re: I have a dream!!     

You call yourself a bee when your still a stranger mabey you should read, fucker read 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-26-00 14:57
No 9615
User Picture  		      Re: Dreams in Calisto     

Antibody should try to use the search engine and read PIHKAL.
Al/Hg produces very shitty yields with NH3, and TMMA is a waste of time. 		 
 
 
 
    aintgivinup
(Stranger)
05-26-00 15:02
No 9619
User Picture  		      Re: I have a dream!!     

maybe both of you should read...
http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum6/HTML/ 		 
 
 
 
    Cheapskate
(Stranger)
05-26-00 16:55
No 9662
User Picture  		      Re: Anthranilic Acid     

I found that actual write up and it didn't say a bunch of stuff.  For example:  The reaction has to be watched closely and carefully controlled or the gasses evolved will cause foaming and toxic corrosive hypobromite will spill over the flask and eat everything in sight.  It can also overreact and polymerize the reactants.  Don't ever spill bromine on yourself, it will eat skin faster than my neighbors dogs! leaving nasty scars.  It will also kill you.  This is why we've been trying to get it to work with bleach, much safer and can only ruin clothes.  Cheaper and unwatched.

But THANKS FOR THE HELP KRYPTO!! keep looking you may find a tidbit of information that will break this roadblock that I've not run across yet. 		 
 
 
 
    in_outsider
(Stranger)
05-26-00 21:35
No 9776
User Picture  		      Re: Tryptophol from Tryptophan via yeast     

Here's a hacked together English translation from the online converters.  Any German bees out there care to refine this?

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Ehrlich, F., Ber. chem. Ges,. 45, 883 (1912).

Equation set up by the fermenting products of the living yeast, their emergence amino acids itself due to that in former times < 1 >

R.CH(NH2).CO2H + H2O == R.CH2OH + CO2 + NH3

to presuppose, earns the alcohols from amino acids of the aromatic and hetero-cyclic series special attention, there it here usually around unknown, left very strange chemically connections concerns oneself.  In this regard that some time ago beschriebenon Tyrosol from Tyrosin the b-Indolyl-ethyl alcohol found now lines up equally on, to which I would like to give the name " Tryptophol " because of its similar relations with the Tryptophan, and according to whose education the following formula pictures is easily understandable:

Tryptophol develops similarly as Tyrosol, if one yeast on solutions of Tryptophan with the usual addition of sugar and inorganic feeding salts lets grow, or one Tryptophan directly with much sugar and press yeast ferments.  For praeparative preparing of the new alcohol the latter procedure is to be preferred, since it supplies within a short time under favorable conditions yields up to 80% of the theory at pure Tryptophol:

5g of tryptophan (from casein) were mixed together with 600g sugar Raffinade?? in 6 liters of water and added to a large bottle containing a solution of 400g of fresh pressed yeast (race XXI) at room temperature, provided with Gaervershluss??, fermented.

After 3 days, no more sugar was left in the fluid.  The clear solution was drawn through a Tonfilter?? and evaporated in a vacuum at 40-50 degrees.  The resulting brown syrup was stirred with multiple volumes of alcohol. The alcoholic filtrate left behind, which shift, with 200ccm water taken up and with 10g fixed caustic soda, to syrup eyes with evaporation some minutes on the water bath was warmed up.  The liquid clouded itself into an emulsion, and separated out a dark-colored oil, that with the cooling soon to Krystallschuppen?? solidified and easily turned (dissolved?) into ethers????.  After exhaustive extraction the ether washes were collected.  Evaporation of the solvent resulted in a brownish, peculiar smelling oil.   In the case of rubbing?? the within a short time transformed into a ice-flower-similar Krystallmasse (3,3 g) < 2 >.

For cleaning, the product was dissolved in approx. 3/4 liter of boiling water, released after addition of something Kieselgur < 3 > in the Siedeheitze from unresolved oily pollution by filtration and restricted the yellowish filtrate on a small volume.  The emulsion arising with the cooling of the solution changes spontaneously or by inoculating and rubbing after some time into a raw ore of shining Krystallflitter.  The complete cleaning of small quantities of persistent adhering oil succeeds, if one solve the in such a way pre-treated Substannz in few ether, which vibrates solution with animal charcoal, filtered from that filtrate first with few petroleum ether brownishly colored pollution strikes down and then the abdekantierte, colorless liquid surfeited with petroleum ether.

From the strongly clouded solution the Tryptophol crystallizes gradually in the form of white, bundle-like arranged, shining needles, which, dried in the vacuum over sulfuric acid , melt sharply at 59 degrees to a colorless liquid.

0.1300 g Sbst.: 0.3542g CO2, 0.0820 g H2O - 0.1231 g Sbst.: 9.7ccm N (22 degrees, 752mm).

C10 H11 O N

Ber. C 74.53, H 6.83, N 8.70
Gef. C 74.31, H 7.06, N 9.02

<1> F. Ehrlich, B. 40, 1047 (1907),  44, 139 (1911)

<2> Since Tyrosol is not to be extracted out solution with ether, then the described procedure offers also an easy way to prove and of it isolate over Tryptophol beside Tyrosol in fermenting products

<3> Better cleaning can be achieved by filtering the aqueous solution with animal charcoal by Aufkochem, but a substantial loss of the substance occurs due to absorption by the charcoal. 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-27-00 00:29
No 9832
User Picture  		      Re: Meth Cook     

if you use the SEARCH 9 times out of 10 it will help answer your question's

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    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-27-00 03:41
No 9882
User Picture  		      Re: solubility of MeNH2 in DMSO     

It is a SN2 reaction because the bromosafrole is a secondary alkyl bromide molecule and nucleophilic substitution reaction proceeds.

MDPh = methylenedioxy benzene ring

MDPh-CH2-CH(-Br)-CH3 + NH3 ======>>

MDPh-CH2-CH(-NH2)-CH3 + HBr

Solvents protic: ethanol + NH3

Solvents polar aprotic: dimethylformamide, dimethyl sulphoxide + NaN3. 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Newbee)
05-27-00 09:46
No 9931
User Picture  		      Re: Dreams in Calisto     

Randolph C., could you comment on how one can tell that the oil was successfully wacked and desired product was obtained (by color and other properties)?  I think it's time someone tried the benzo-wacko on dis shiznit. 		 
 
 
 
    pyrotek
(Stranger)
05-27-00 10:34
No 9943
User Picture  		      Re: ok then i will do that     

Ok one we have no hobbie store
2 were do i get some of thsi air brake drier shit mon?
fcuking 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Hive Bee)
05-27-00 10:43
No 9946
User Picture  		      Re: OH HONEY!!!     

BigShirly this is tha LARGEMAN, could you be my future soulmate darlin'. I don't know what swim means but I'll damn sure find out fer ya if I can!
LARGEMAN
cool 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-27-00 13:38
No 9964
User Picture  		      Re: THC Acetate attempt     

I think you should wash the etheral solution of the THC acetate with a concentrated soda or bicarbonate solution, then dry and evaporate. If that doesn't help, just store the resin in open air for a few days. 

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    bennie
(Newbee)
05-27-00 13:47
No 9970
User Picture  		      Re: Technical H2SO4     

Save yourself the hassle and just go to a growers supply place -not 'weed but legit. They have concentrated tech sulphuric and phosphoric by the gallon -no questions asked and cheap...

unless I am missing some subtilety to this post by taking it literally 		 
 
 
 
    gaston
(Stranger)
05-27-00 14:32
No 9986
User Picture  		      Re: check out this beautys :)     

this, these, those, oh fuck... 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
05-27-00 14:55
No 9990
User Picture  		      Re: anethole     

Hypothetically..
with use of the per-acid procedure a propenylbenzene should be used, anethole aka 4-methoxy-propenylbenzene is a propenylbenzene thus if suitably pure could be used as is, to yield the corresponding 4-methoxy-phenylacetone and it is conceivable that this makes PMA

every thing [green]is [purple]relative[/green][/purple] 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-27-00 15:42
No 10002
User Picture  		      Re: <<GBL crystalization>>     

Yes how would you go about powdering up gbl, I don't think it can be done.  But who knows.


http://geocities.com/b1ck_d/

I wanna b like rhod. 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-27-00 17:10
No 10028
User Picture  		      Re: honey trapped in hcl/dw     

add 20% NaOH solution to raise the pH to 13.


Won't this make a whole shitload of salt?  Why not just evaporate off the ether and h2o, acetone wash the solids, and start a new A/B?

 
 
 
 
    Goldy5150
(Stranger)
05-27-00 19:02
No 10063
User Picture  		      Re: Help With Making Crack     

ive got the coke 1 oz. can anyone help 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-27-00 19:27
No 10072
User Picture  		      Re: Help With Making Crack     

no prob

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    catharsis
(Hive Bee)
05-27-00 20:27
No 10088
User Picture  		      Re: Help With Making Crack     

ghetto dope:
thank you dope fiens for yo support

1 look for the nigga wit the whitest snow, dont buy it from a nigga that ya dont know, make ya way ta the kitchen where the stove be, you get the baking soda i gots tha D, get the tipple beam n measure up yo dope make 1 gram a soda every 7 grams a coke, and shake it up until it bubble up n get harder insert the tube in some ready made cold water. twist the bitch like a knot while it;s still hot and what tha shit rock and rise ta the fuckin top, now ya cocaine powder is crack, now hold strap cause ya might get jacked..

-------
purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
05-27-00 23:25
No 10144
User Picture  		      Re: chromates     

somebody had posted recently the one of the dept. in sears carries it by the pound-or just order it, try to keep it around the 500g range if you're worried, and if you do multiple orders try to make it look like you keep your list *basically the same 		 
 
 
 
    Goldy5150
(Stranger)
05-27-00 23:56
No 10157
User Picture  		      Re: Help With Making Crack     

what is SWIK ? 		 
 
 
 
    furanone
(Stranger)
05-28-00 00:36
No 10172
User Picture  		      Re: <<GBL crystalization>>     

reagents:
60grams NaOH
120ml of gbl
1000ml pure ethanol
these quantities are not fixed- use more or less as needed, but keep the proportions the same. The NaOH can be dissolved in less ethanol, but these proportions make the pocess easier and faster. The ethanol must be pure(no water)- dont use vodka. GHB will not crystalize if there is water in the solution. Denatured ethanol can be used, but be sure to let it completely evaporate before ingesting solution. Methanol can also be used, but this is toxic, and excess must be removed before ingestion. If methanol is used, only 500ml is required, but be sure all the methanol evaporated before ingesting it(make sure there is no methanol odor left).
equipment needed:
1.screw cap bottle larger than 1000ml if you choose plastic use HDPE
2. glass container at least 1200ml in vol
3. coffee filter papers (2)
steps
1. Dissolve the NaOH in the ethanol-place ethanol in the screw cap bottle and add the NaOH. Shake and allow to stand until cool. Continue until all the NaOH has dissolved. Be sure to release the cap frequently to release pressure.
2. When all the NaOH has dissolved (this can take an hour of shaking and waiting) pour it into the glass pot and add the gamma-butyrolactone. A precipitate will for. Allow to stand for an hour.
3. After allowing it to stand, filter the product through the 2 coffee filters(place inside each other), collecting the precipitate. Dry the precipitate by placing it in an oven on the lowest setting for 24 hours. electric oven only.
4. You can keep it in the powdered form (keep it in an airtight bag since it is hygroscopic and will absorb water from the atmosphere). Or you can dissolve it in 750ml of water this will give you 1 gm of GHB per teaspoon.

you can go into just about any pharmacy and ask for empty gel caps and they will provide them for you. You even have many sizes to choose from. I know this due to the fact that i ingest my reforvit b rather than inject it.

~Admit nothing Deny Everything~ 		 
 
 
 
    demenace
(Stranger)
05-28-00 01:50
No 10193
User Picture  		      Re: gbl     

Very true Bright Star. For true newbees like me, it's hard enough to find a source. I've tried three so far — two sucked, one is weak. I'm trying two more this week. Damn, it sucks to throw money down the drain, but when I find a good source — they will have a lifelong silent partner :} 		 
 
 
 
    oilman
(Stranger)
05-28-00 02:32
No 10211
User Picture  		      Re: 80% return on HI / RP     

Great write up Worlock,Just in time with the recrystallization technique-thanks!! I am going to dream that one. Just one question,How about steam distillation after the addition of lye, this was done by Chemman and all the good oil is steam distilled over to be extracted and then converted to it's hydrochloride salt.It also helps to purify the good oil and there shouldn't be anything left in that lye water.What do ya reckon?? 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
05-28-00 08:51
No 10283
User Picture  		      Re: DMSO & SAFROLE     

I understand that straight forward distillation would work in isolating DMSO (it does not form an azeotrope mit H2O, see Vogel) this could then be dried to perfection over calcium hydride for example

every thing [green]is [purple]relative[/green][/purple] 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-28-00 11:08
No 10301
User Picture  		      Re: Help With Making Crack     

not that i live in NYC, because i dont

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    johny
(Hive Bee)
05-28-00 11:24
No 10304
User Picture  		      Post deleted by johny     

 
 
 
 
    Jetson
(Newbee)
05-28-00 17:36
No 10373
User Picture  		      Re: Meth Cook     

Amen, Oilman

born cross-eyed.....tongue 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Stranger)
05-28-00 19:23
No 10400
User Picture  		      Re: Stabilization of Ethyl Ether     

A small bit of sodium metal works, any water formed is changed to NaOH 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Newbee)
05-28-00 21:46
No 10456
User Picture  		      Re: gbl     

dreamer, the GBL--> GHB synth is actually in most organic chemistry text books under lactones.

If you are curious just look it up there.  The reaction is so simple it's cool. 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Newbee)
05-28-00 22:38
No 10469
User Picture  		      Re: Worlock: to bump or not to bump?     

Depends on reagent quality.
(SPANKY) mixes E & R together in morder
& ped. puts in florance, on the addition of I, mix as best as poss. the Quality of (SPANKY)'S reagents are on maybe a TECK grade at best.
it's sloW going most of the time for the meltdown
If heat is used at first its after meltdown, and
is on 30 or 40 sec. off again, back & forth sometimes its hard to see but hold a flashlight
up and it looks like a misting rain, when (SPK)sees that he goes to heat ?? on temp but below
2en stage fireoff temps.

 Tighten Up





Jacked is dangers, and could be harmfull to users he does not know, "BEWEAR" 		 
 
 
 
    Lilienthal
(Moderator)
05-28-00 22:59
No 10471
User Picture  		      Re: Large sig files     

Oh shit, Rhod, your markup-link will be also disabled... I will fix that during the next week. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-28-00 23:16
No 10479
User Picture  		      Re: Ancient Route: Atropine --> Cocaine?     

Extraction of atropine from plant matter: J. Prakt. Chem. 116, 276 (1927)

Then you hydrolyze with acid or base to get tropine, and oxidize the alcohol with any common oxidizer to get tropinone.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    suicideblonde
(Stranger)
05-29-00 02:47
No 10547
User Picture  		      Re: methcathinone     

Maybe you are adding too much HCI? How much are you adding?
Why aren't you using the IDA?

Suicideblonde 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 03:34
No 10556
User Picture  		      Re: 91% isopropyl?     

You can get isopropyl and methyl alcohol that's nearly 100% in the auto parts store. Their both used as gas line deicers among other things.

____________________________

Society exists by chemical affinity, and not otherwise. 		 
 
 
 
    whitefluf
(Jr. Pimp)
05-29-00 03:50
No 10561
User Picture  		      Re: 91% isopropyl?     

Any pharamacy in the US is gonna carry 91% IPA. 		 
 
 
 
    furanone
(Stranger)
05-29-00 04:00
No 10566
User Picture  		      Re: Need help on making XTC!!!!     

Jesus Christ WTF?!!! I thought this was a forum where people with some kind of intelligence lurked. Have you even made an attempt to find the information yourself? Next youll want someone to hold your dick while you piss. I havent made any relevant questions myself thats because I have enough sense to research on my own. http://www.geocities.com/b1ck_d/

~Admit Nothing Deny Everything~ 		 
 
 
 
    saxon
(Stranger)
05-29-00 05:31
No 10592
User Picture  		      Re: GBL and pancreatic fatigue     

I take 20-30 mls of GBL per day, and definatly have withdrawel effects if i try to stop cold turkey.What should my biggest concerns health wise while taking it? - It is also easy and legal to buy where i live,and cheapish (20cents/dose @ 2.5mls/dose.
later 		 
 
 
 
    Ben_Sherman
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 05:44
No 10596
User Picture  		      Re: Dimethylformamide (DMF)?     

     BrightStar says Formamide can be used in place of.  Would the product suffer?  I dont know ask more educated than I.


  --BS


Just becaues you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 09:39
No 10647
User Picture  		      Re: Look for LSD info.     

Try other form, we'z all meth heads sompem or nothur roun here. 		 
 
 
 
    Anglo_Chic
(Stranger)
05-29-00 09:45
No 10650
User Picture  		      Re: Dimethylformamide (DMF)?     

Thanks Bizwax.
 I'll try this method instead, once I get all my stuff together.  		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-29-00 10:12
No 10658
User Picture  		      Re: DMSO & SAFROLE     

Mixing DMSO and hydrides is dangerous, as far as I remember. 		 
 
 
 
    chilly_willy
(Stranger)
05-29-00 10:50
No 10665
User Picture  		      Re: Al/Hg/Nitro - Anyone using this ?     

It works beautifully.  Not that I would know....
Im glad someone brought it up again.
Its one of those posts the should be archived on this, or rhodiums site.  Anyone have a copy of that little gem by chance??  Methylamine stinks to hell....in every sense of the word.  Nitromethane = Cheap and easily obtained: "I custom blend my own model airplane fuel...can I buy a gallon?  Huh?  Sure I guess... $15
Thanks.."

- 		 
 
 
 
    Malaci
(Stranger)
05-29-00 12:12
No 10685
User Picture  		      Re: Aqua Pure Iodine Tablets?     

So did the potable aqua tabs work ok? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-29-00 12:38
No 10688
User Picture  		      Re: Large sig files     

Hey? As I understood it, the IMG tag is only removed from use in the SIG, not in general use at the board - right?

If not, we must reinstate it again (sorry for being so indeterminate).

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-29-00 12:45
No 10691
User Picture  		      Re: Look for LSD info.     

It's at my page (see link below), click "chemistry" and go down to the LSD section.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Newbee)
05-29-00 13:35
No 10706
User Picture  		      Re: Yes, i believe in MDP2Pol     

I beleive too, there was someone who posted a sucess (microscale) just before the old boards disappeared. I think the name of the thread was "Can we close the book on MDP2Pol"   It might have been Semtex Enigma but I am not sure.

It would be nice to get the discussion going again. 

The hang ups seem to be keeping the temp down during the H2SO4 addition, and the neccsesity of lightning fast low temp oxidation bto MDP2P.

It has been proposed that Jones reagent will oxidize at room temp, which may be preferable to the NH3NO3/CuAC oxidation which requires abit of heat.

Antibody can only repeat what antibody has gleaned from used condom wrappers! 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Newbee)
05-29-00 15:31
No 10728
User Picture  		      Re: 3 types of meth whats with the colour     

If it ant white IT ANY RIGHT.
I guess if you would pay more for de pink
someone could add food color. But most likley its poison, Ever wonder why your kidneys, Joints,
body, aches after a run. It ant because your doing 99+ mph. ITS FUCKING POISON.
 Oh I bet it's "GOT THAT SMELL" too, that good
shit smell.
    
 These fucked up Cooks out for the $$$ know there
product is shit. But why should they spend the
extra time & energy cleaning the shit up when it
sell so fucking good anyway.
 
 Newbees dont even clean this shit, do not buy
a gacked up product. Spread the News. Its the
only way to forse these cooks & dealers into selling a cleaner product.
   ______ OR DIE A HORRABLE DEATH________


See how that blue shit makes me act

    


Jacked is dangers, and could be harmfull to users he does not know, "BEWEAR" 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Newbee)
05-29-00 15:57
No 10749
User Picture  		      Re: Look for LSD info.     

First you must find diseased rye infested with ergot.  THen find an equally diseased chicken which you can force feed 15 grams of the ergot fungus to.  The chicken's metabolism will convert the ergot to LSA which it will shit out in about a day.  You know its LSA cause its purple in colour.  Next, take the pure LSA, draw a large pentagram on the floor and dance around the pentagram while holding the LSA in your left hand chanting "Tahehehe - Tahohoho".  DO this for about 5 minutes and then put the LSA in a small beaker in the middle of the pentagram, and mix with 3 drops of blood.  Add an eye of newt toe of frog, then reflux for 2 hours.  Let this sit for a week and DO NOT change your underwear at all this whole time.  The result is crude LSD.  TO purify, go to the local Walmart get those frige magnet letters, and extract the letter L , S , and D with 5% NaOH.  Combine this with the crude product, re-feed it to the chicken, collect the resulting shit, to yeild 90-99% pure d-LSD. 		 
 
 
 
    CuriousDoe
(Stranger)
05-29-00 16:15
No 10758
User Picture  		      Re: gad damn visionware     

All pyrex are not the same some will explode or break, the kind I like had on the box: ok to use on the stove top, oven, microwave and freezer.  Test with water on the stove top, let it boil for 5 minutes then put it in a sink filled with cool water, if it doesn't break it should be ok.

Curious 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 16:31
No 10762
User Picture  		      Re: gad damn visionware     

Whatever you do, don't get the cheap-o white pyrex..It will break upon constant heating...



-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    CherrieBaby
(Stranger)
05-29-00 16:37
No 10765
User Picture  		      Safrole from catechol(2).     

The following question occurs on page 701 of John McMurray's 'Organic Chemistry' (4th ed):

Safrole, a substance isolated from oil of sassafras, is used as a perfumery agent. Propose a synthesis of safrole from catechol.

The answer given (in the study guide) is:

1) Catachol + 2 NaH -> disodium catechoxide
2) disodium catechoxide + CH2Br2 -> benzodioxole
3) benzodioxole + ally chloride + AlCl3 (catalyst) -> safrole

Steps 1 and 2 can be replaced by using KOH or NaOH as the base but what are the conditions under which allyl chloride adds to benzodioxole?  If any of you have Mr McMurry as your tutor (Cornell Univ.) could you please pick his brain for us?

 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 17:40
No 10786
User Picture  		      Re: red phosphorus     

Zip lock baggies can be found easily in a huge variety of sizes! Think about where all the businesses get theirs!

Go to yellow pages and look for packaging supplies!

My tag was too good, and upset some people 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 17:46
No 10790
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy; ounces to gram conversion     

I beleive sassafras albidum oil is on average 1.065g/ml at 20'C...it's the more dense of common essential oils

every thing [green]is [purple]relative[/green][/purple] 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Newbee)
05-29-00 18:25
No 10806
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy; ounces to gram conversion     

Wow! that proves exceedingly useful...
You guys rock...thanks. 		 
 
 
 
    Skink
(Newbee)
05-29-00 18:41
No 10811
User Picture  		      Re: GBL and pancreatic fatigue     

There is no benefit of any kind for our government to promote longevity.  After all, they are probably desperately racking their brains trying to find a was to thin out our out of control populations without stirring up the moral majority with such immoral things as birth control.  Instead our society is just creating an ever-widening rift between the rich and the poor.  Lingevity and health do not fit into the equation, because then even more bodies will be cluttering up our fair country (US) even longer. 
I think that GHB was outlawed because of a public health concern.  We can all rant up and down about how it is as safe as water, etc.,  but making such a thing available to morons has caused many problems.  It's not the problem with GHB itself, but the fuckin' assholes that use it as a mickey finn (the original ingredients of which were chloral hydrate and alcohol - stangely enough still available...) or as a way to prove Darwin was correct when he hypothesized natural selection, have ruined it for everyone.
This is not to say that I agree with this, but I think that the pharmaceutical companies are not behind this the way many thought they were when they pulled tryptophan off the market, eerily coincidental with the unveiling of the first SSRIs.  The fact that 5-oh tryptophan has remained on the shelves is testament to this.  Rather I think that we are heading for a 'new world order', and to do this our fine, upstanding, fearless political leaders must assume control and end what they see as a failed experiment (democracy).  The American people are known for their stubbonness, patriotism, belief in the tenets of the constitution, and wholehearted love of the country, so if freedoms were arbitrarily removed, people would riot.  Veil this slow bleed of freedom as the wod, and like a bunch of lemmings, the American people will gladly give up their rights so that the FDA can protect them from mind alterations.  So we allow search and seizure, manditory minimums, exaggerated sentences, loss of privacy, and now even our freedom of speech and the privacy of the U.S. mail.  Get ready for the gulag, my friends.  I bet you that there is probably a death camp somewhere with all of the US hive members names on it.
They'll all pay when the revolution comes, though, if we can last that long..

<end of rant> 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 19:01
No 10818
User Picture  		      Re: EDA ?     

so if i go into the photo shop and just say " do you cary EDA" they will know what im talking about, and 1 last thing... does this EDA shit really work? or should i stick too NH3

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    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 19:32
No 10822
User Picture  		      Re: funnel question     

ya, if you leave the stopper out.  if you leave the stopper out air will get in, so it matters what reagents are in your funnel. 		 
 
 
 
    mindfull
(Stranger)
05-29-00 21:17
No 10889
User Picture  		      Re: 3 types of meth whats with the colour     

pink is quite often associated with an over titration of acid...meaning that too much acid was put in and the ph went way low (ph2,3)and then brought back up to ph7.

sticky brown crystals is usually a sign of dirty product, that was not water washed enough before titration.  an acetone wash of this product done in this state will clean it right up. 		 
 
 
 
    Thoth
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 22:03
No 10914
User Picture  		      Re: GBL and pancreatic fatigue     

After L-tryp was banned, it took a few years for the nat supplement marketeers to figure out how to import 5HTP as a food supplement. It's a reg drug ineurope, thankfully someone found griffonia and other 5HTP sources thereby getting past the FDA DHEAS rules! Belive me, the pharms have the bucks, and sense to keep their profits high , too bad they do't want us to be high. I'd pay em for that :)

DT

Opinions may be illegal based due to Meth anti proli act so much for the degrees, ClubFedexme? 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 23:06
No 10954
User Picture  		      Re: GHB color     

Oh and remember next time to lessen the amount of base you put in so the PH will be right and not need adjusting, if necessary use more GBL or Hcl acid, but very little, don't do shit unless you have PH tester or paper!
Most methods I have seen end up way too basic!
SWIM uses 1L GBL:400-420gms NaOH

My tag was too good, and upset some people 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
05-29-00 23:39
No 10963
User Picture  		      Re: Mexamine is     

Rhodium: 5-MeO-T a.k.a. Mexamine is an anti radiation drug.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Hive Bee)
05-30-00 00:27
No 10981
User Picture  		      Re: 91% isopropyl?     

all i know is that it seperates.. and it evaporates pretty damn fast telling me its pretty pure.. you have to let it settle a while to let ALL the salt go to the water layer..and no the bottum layer never tastes like alcohol. only salt.

-------
purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    Krash_X
(Stranger)
05-30-00 00:48
No 10991
User Picture  		      Re: 91% isopropyl?     

Cant you just buy isoHEET at the auto store? Its only about 80 cents. 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-30-00 01:34
No 11023
User Picture  		      Re: Lithium     

they have to be new, and why fuck around w/ cell phone batteries when you can go to a walgreens and pick up fat easy to snag lithium chunks for 3.50$ .  When the battery is used the lithium is oxidized (read: now useless)

alphabeta121 		 
 
 
 
    Artful_Dodger
(Newbee)
05-30-00 05:59
No 11124
User Picture  		      Re: paper for trips     

Sorry for the double post, i forgot the smilie and i obviously clicked "back" too late 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
05-30-00 06:05
No 11128
User Picture  		      Re: RP From Flares     

1 soak in acetone
2 wash with distilled h20
3 wash with muriatic acid
4 wash with dh20 and let dry
most lazzy people will stop after no2

bisssssss  busssssss 		 
 
 
 
    tao
(Stranger)
05-30-00 07:06
No 11139
User Picture  		      Re: Video Synthesis     

uncle had a video i believe of red p or something. a video of a whole synth would be fucking huge. i haven't created anything yet so i don't know how long the bare min. would be but i would guess at leat 15-20 min. and even that would be upwards of 80mb as a decent video file.
vhs in my opinion would be the way to go but i highly doubt anyone here would be willing to put evidence on tape let alone sell it to people. 		 
 
 
 
    pyrotek
(Stranger)
05-30-00 08:01
No 11156
User Picture  		      Re: morning glory extract...     

hey cool i ahve been lookin into shit liek thsi  hey fuckign can somebodey give
me INFO on thsi man or sites or anyshit fuckign al lhelp is cool
yeah fuckin hell that cool

arr where would the world be with out my 12gauge :) 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Bee)
05-30-00 12:12
No 11245
User Picture  		      Re: ox blood     

It is some fuckin dirty meth the color of blood that apparently went around at some time in Australia!
Ignorant people seem to think it is the bomb!
But I can only imagine it is the dirtiest feral meth the face of the earth has ever seen!

My tag was too good, and upset some people 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Hive Bee)
05-30-00 13:24
No 11264
User Picture  		      Re: No Scale     

B&B you can purchase a satisfactory set of hanging scales for under 5 bucks I think the post office still sells a really good hanging scale that is perfect for your needs, if not any head or headlike shop including most adult book stores carry them.
LARGEMAN
cool



"UH"
LARGEMAN 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
05-30-00 14:38
No 11292
User Picture  		      Re: glassware     

You should be alright purchasing stuff... It's not illegal..

If you're that worried goto ebay or labx....


-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Scandium
(Newbee)
05-30-00 15:58
No 11329
User Picture  		      Re: I don't believe it!!!     

VERY well put Einsteinium!!!!!!!!!!

The MX6 pretty much says it all. 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Hive Bee)
05-30-00 16:11
No 11336
User Picture  		      Post deleted by XplosiveKemistry     

 
 
 
 
    JedZed
(Stranger)
05-30-00 17:51
No 11366
User Picture  		      Addendum     

I forgot to mention:
   While the ethyl acetate extraction did not give an emulsion, it did leech a bunch of MeCN out of aqua.  While <200mL total EtOAc were used, the pooled extracts' volume was close to 500mL.
    What else was there?  I remember very clearly that I have forgotten something else.  Hmm. 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Newbee)
05-30-00 21:35
No 11429
User Picture  		      Re: Frig. pump --> Vacuum pump     

Ya know, I've heard that refrigerator compressor pumps work quite well at pulling a vacuum. 		 
 
 
 
    Helmut_Posse
(Stranger)
05-30-00 21:44
No 11431
User Picture  		      Re: Codiene     

same differance, but i still want a better way of EXTRACTING the codiene

<b>poop<b> 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-30-00 21:49
No 11433
User Picture  		      Re: on reductions with Pd/C...     

Will that be the case for any **P2NP compound like, oh, say 2,4,5-Trimethoxyphenyl-2-nitropropene??


zool 		 
 
 
 
    Felix
(Newbee)
05-30-00 22:30
No 11444
User Picture  		      Re: Need help on making XTC!!!!     

Hey Dlake, I feel for you. I have a friend who would LOVE to have somebody hold his hand and walk him through it... but lemme tell you, you really have to read and learn, and kinda get a feel for the basics. My friend is still trying to have a successful dream, and he's been trying for a while. Believe me, this shit is not like baking a cake... 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-30-00 23:18
No 11464
User Picture  		      Re: Ideal conditins for NaBH3CN,etc.     

Thanks for your input Dope_Amine, you have always been helpful along with numerous other BEES. cool

She thought that the Ammonium Acetate had to be kept cool, because when the school received a package it was on dry ice?????

Thanks again for your input!!

Regards,

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 01:18
No 11503
User Picture  		      Re: electro     

SWIM,HAS BEEN STUDING FESTERS ELECTRO

What have you been 'studing' his 'electro' with? Sounds kinky to me.tongue

Oh, and what more information do you need if you've been studYing it?

~~Atomic Pickle.

 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Newbee)
05-31-00 02:33
No 11529
User Picture  		      Re: acetaldehyde     

Thanks Wiz ill be checking that out:) 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 02:40
No 11533
User Picture  		      Re: on reductions with Pd/C...     

Thanks Chief!  Catalytic hydrogenation is very interesting!

P.S.  check your privacyx e-mail

zool 		 
 
 
 
    noblesolid
(Stranger)
05-31-00 03:13
No 11548
User Picture  		      Re: GBL Dryout     

What are the safest neuroleptics that act specificly on the dopamine system could be used in conjunction with the benzos?  Are they anti-schizophrenics?  After two and a half months of near continuous usage the I decided to quit GBL and am experiencing only mild, but persistent muscle twitches, low grade anxiety, but severe insomnia.  Any specific recomendations? 		 
 
 
 
    super_bee
(Newbee)
05-31-00 03:23
No 11556
User Picture  		      Re: tincture     

yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! after all this time I am a newbee yet again!

MOPAR OR NO CAR!!! 		 
 
 
 
    wired
(Newbee)
05-31-00 03:37
No 11561
User Picture  		      Re: cutting     

ahh come on!  this post is not about if you should cut the dope or not..  hell  i doubt anyone who is reading this will say " i dont want to cut it cause it hurts peoples feelings.."   they have done made their mind up and thats thats,  but of course people might can save someones life by giving tested cut recipes so someone dont decide to cut the crap with some hcl just to show they can.


its about safety i hope.. no one wants a fellow dopehead to die.   "unless they own them money?"   thats why people should give tips that wont tear a hole in someones ass when they "test" it out on a friend who is fiending for a rush.

YES I AM 		 
 
 
 
    mr_pyrex
(Newbee)
05-31-00 05:46
No 11600
User Picture  		      Re: bulk Iodine (I2)     

Don't know what the exact details where since its been some time since that route was dreamt, but it would likely work that way.  But it was observed to work also with only KI, HCl, and H202 35%, but like I said it has been too long to remember all details, but I beleive Rhodium was the poster or at least commented on it.  It was named something to the effect of 'how to get all the I2 out, not just 1/2'.  But it should be noted it is a BIG mess to do it that way, any other way might be easier.  Pyrex out 		 
 
 
 
    Skink
(Newbee)
05-31-00 05:55
No 11602
User Picture  		      Re: GBL Dryout     

go see a dr and get some klonopin. Just tell them what you're trying to do and i'm sure they'll oblige.  It sounds like it worked for some other bees struggling with the same monkey.  I guess it appears more and more that it is the continuous use that causes the withdrawals..
good luck  		 
 
 
 
    johny
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 07:11
No 11623
User Picture  		      Post deleted by johny     

 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 07:36
No 11634
User Picture  		      Re: Indole-3-acetaldehyde     

Excuse my ignorance, but what is trp refer to here? Tryptamine freebase? Or tryptophan? SO in other words, it's one step to DMT from trytophol, if you buy the tryptophol?

-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    less
(Stranger)
05-31-00 08:44
No 11649
User Picture  		      Re: low stink evap idea     

Actually, the blower would be the hair dryer, (before the fumes), I had not yet considered the filtering material getting hot, thanks for that.  What do you think of filling the tea server with activated charcoal and water, then setting it in an ice bucket?  Swim not only wants to keep it safe, She aslo wants to keep from attracting attention. 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Addict)
05-31-00 10:02
No 11662
User Picture  		      Re: methanol in Aust     

Use the search engine!
I have already made an indepth reply on where to get these things in Australia!

My tag was too good, and upset some people 		 
 
 
 
    Lilienthal
(Moderator)
05-31-00 11:46
No 11695
User Picture  		      Re: lsa to lsd     

Since this is a pure academic forum nobody even thinks about making illegal substances. Please remember that. I will delete this thread in some days. 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 12:08
No 11703
User Picture  		      Re: Povidone     

O.K. say my friend went and extracted using a solvent extraction and then p/p,I/RP what would it produce. Dirty meth nothing what?Thanks!!

Just tryn to help!!!

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Xaja
(Stranger)
05-31-00 12:23
No 11707
User Picture  		      Re: cutting     

Cutting it isn't that bigger deal. Some people may want to share a line with friends before a night out, they want to give them a line of something they 'bought' (which is always cut where I live). If someone started shouting all their "friends" with pure shit, they might start getting much too much attention. Doesn't mean they can't keep the goods for themselves (and maybe real close friends). Also someone may want to sell just a little, to keep things rolling along smoothly. If you live somewhere where everything you buy is raw speed, then don't cut it. 		 
 
 
 
    DevDex
(Stranger)
05-31-00 12:37
No 11713
User Picture  		      Re: piperic acid     

can anyone help me answer my question?

D E V 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 12:37
No 11714
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy and the DEA     

Several domestic suppliers are under the impression that there is some law requiring them to keep records and divulge names, but when pressured they can't seem to point to any specific legislation.  They, for some reason, don't seem to care that they're being strong-armed. 

I think the best solution is to buy from a foriegn source which the DEA cannot bully (or at least bully less easily).  		 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Newbee)
05-31-00 12:48
No 11719
User Picture  		      Re: Formaldehyde + Ammonium Chloride -> methylamine?     

Once the last thing falls out.that is the amine.Put a little on the bench, and come back a little later, and it should be a little pool of water.N.Butyl Alcohol is the best solvent to clean up your amine in one recrystallisation.
When you got the goodies.buy a vacuum dessicator and store em in dat wit some dessicant. 		 
 
 
 
    oilman
(Newbee)
05-31-00 13:17
No 11730
User Picture  		      Re: Povidone     

Spank me ,Chemman's tryin to tell you somethin there,Go to crystal meth forum and read the thread on 80% return. Chemman speaks the truth and is tryin to spread the word.Give it a go, it ain't hard
Oilman 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 16:47
No 11814
User Picture  		      of topic dumbass question.     

What does USSA stand for? I've seen that form beeing used somewhere else too. What's with the double s?

-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 17:27
No 11832
User Picture  		      Re: electro     

If he did, he's the only one who's managed to pull it off with silver. Use palladium. And if you're using pseudo, its hard to form an ester. Try adding another drop or two of HS2O4.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 17:54
No 11841
User Picture  		      Re: Formaldehyde + Ammonium Chloride -> methylamine?     

The NH4Cl you recover is good enough to be used again. The distillate has apparently has some interesting stuff in it. I've never done anything with it. (Eistenium: I've never read that the schiff base formation, the Hg-Al should reduce both imines... I do believe yields suck with this method)

If you like this method, then stick with it... but I'd try the hexamine route. It's fully OTC.

Who uses nBuOH? Have you ever used it before?

Btw, NH4Cl doesn't sublime, it decomposes... no need for a vacuum dessicator, just get the crystals 100% dry and store them in an air-tight container. (a glass mason jar works well) 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 18:05
No 11843
User Picture  		      Re: Formaldehyde + Ammonium Chloride -> methylamine?     

Incorrect NH4Cl does sublime, try heating a pure sample you will see that it remains white, solid and sublimes (this may be due to reforming HCl and NH3 and immediately recombine on cooling to form the salt, I have no data as to the extent of the %dissociation with temperature, if at all relevant)...check out
http://web.centre.edu/~pauls/17manual/EXP2sep.htm
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/a5724.htm
[url]http://www.ac-nancy-metz.fr/enseign/physique/Bidon/DechetTP/FDS/chlorure d'ammonium.htm [/url]

Methylamine-hydrochloride however does decompose on melting to some extent but does not sublime which is a change in state from solid to gas. 		 
 
 
 
    KrZ
(Stranger)
05-31-00 18:33
No 11859
User Picture  		      Post deleted by KrZ     

 
 
 
 
    possum
(Stranger)
05-31-00 21:42
No 11923
User Picture  		      Re: electro     

o.k wait a minute. i mean O fucking K. 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
05-31-00 22:44
No 11958
User Picture  		      Re: IAA --> AET     

Hi guys!

Thought I'd bring this one up again. I can't quite follow the rxn proposed.
PAA turned into P2P by action of Ac2O and Sodium acetate (what's the Na Acetate's
function anyways?).

I.e. replacing the OH on PAA with a CH3 yielding a three carbon chain which can be
reductively aminated to give amphetamine, right?

Now, IAA with a two carbon chain like PAA reacts with <i>propionic</i> andhydride
to give I-3-propanone* which can be reductively aminated to give AMT.

* I assume this is not the correct nomenclature, could someone correct please?
Given that the 2 in P2P refers to the position of the keto group on the side chain,
1-indolyl-propan-2-one seems appropriate. Or not?

Oh yeah, now I get it. Stupid me, adding one more carbon to the chain to give AET.
Phaidon, you should really check your brain's hardwiring at times. wink

Hm, so my one question still applies: What is the sodium acetate doing in all this?
I am really interested in the mechanism involved.

Further, could one reductively alkaminate to yield dialkyl-alpha-methyl-tryptamine?
I am asking this because I saw some info on 5-MeO-alpha-Me-DiPT on erowid.

Could one use 5-Meo-T (Mexamine) as starting material just as well? I mean the methoxy group
is not going to attract too much attention is it?

Thanks for any info. Good work psyloxy, really. This is worth pursueing in my opinion,
coz' unless it's tested it's not proven to not work. wink

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    hey_man
(Pimp Master)
05-31-00 23:20
No 11969
User Picture  		      Re: SciAlli records seized!!     

This is the first I have heard of this rumor, all I can say is there could be a high potential of truth behind it just based on watching general discussions and bits and pieces of random conversations with others.

Has anyone else actually tried to contact them regarding any orders they may have pending or future orders they may be interested in?

Still, this is the first I've heard of this, if something like this were to of happened then I suppose if I had concern that it might directly affect me I'd start doing some immediate appropriate planning to be in full preporation of such a possibility. 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Newbee)
06-01-00 00:13
No 11998
User Picture  		      Re: SciAlli records seized!!     

I concur with Krz.  Fuck people who start rumors like that and fuck people who openly talk about sources.  		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-01-00 00:18
No 12000
User Picture  		      Re: New tryptamine literature     

I think it sucks.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    The_Stranger
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 00:39
No 12016
User Picture  		      Re: Niels Bohr: Man, Myth, or Anecdote.     

Myth, of course.  Skyscrapers were few and far between in Bohr's youth, and most of them were incredibly short by todays standards. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-01-00 01:15
No 12036
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA - - - >MDA     

nope, it won't work.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Newbee)
06-01-00 02:41
No 12072
User Picture  		      Re: Root bark extraction of sassy oil.     

Exactlyshocked
Use a sep. funnel or make one.
Smoke crack with

THE BUDWIZARD 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 03:47
No 12107
User Picture  		      Re: electro     

I just checked the prices. Palladium is currently trading at $585.00 an ounce, which means it will cost between $600 and $700 depending on where you by it.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    possum
(Newbee)
06-01-00 04:32
No 12119
User Picture  		      Re: electro     

maybe it may take awhile...gives swim more time to read,listen,study,and LEARN.but swim wants to learn this...there is not to much info on this,there for curiosity has got swim by the balls 		 
 
 
 
    DrX
(Stranger)
06-01-00 05:19
No 12138
User Picture  		      Re: Fun with MDA and foil!!     

Thanks for the help ( Yipes those yields sounded bad!! ). NaBH4 is just too damned expensive for a mederate sized dream!! I'll just keep dreaming of that little cyano buddy!! - X

The Mysterious Dr. X reports back to hidden lab to clone more monkeys!! 		 
 
 
 
    sunlight
(Stranger)
06-01-00 08:16
No 12208
User Picture  		      Re: on reductions with Pd/C...     

Well, I must clarify that amphetamine is soluble in acetic acid, so you need to add NaOH solution before extract with chloroform, if not you will get what you are not interested in.
And about am. formate Pd/C it could work, but I remember a experience in the Hive with am. formate and GAA at 100 C that didn't yield the amine, it seems the oxime is the main product. But I believe it has not been tested seriously.
In the text, reduction of nitrostyrene with formic acid and Pd/C gave phenylacetaldehyde oxime. 		 
 
 
 
    StarDog
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 08:20
No 12213
User Picture  		      Re: Need a new extraction method because mine sucks     

well my friend you went to the right method, ozbee isa very very wise bee. Read it again you'll do just fine.
Slow down pay attention to detail and safety issues, if not
then you WILL become a victim of "dekitchenization" it's
just a matter of time. So bee meticulous in your labwork
and bee safe.
For small amounts of methanol use"heet" brand gas-line anti-
freeze available from many OTC sources.For gallon amounts
try walley world paint department. High performance cars
like the "funny cars and rails" use it check a source there.
Good Luck

"UH"
StarDog 		 
 
 
 
    StarDog
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 09:37
No 12243
User Picture  		      Re: Cat o.k. guys     

The cold enviornment you are speaking of concerning the
KMn04 cold synthesis is best maintained via a frig at
slightly above 0 degrees Cent.It's important to prepare
the KMn04 solution at an ambient temp. of around 70F.
Alow the crystyals of the potassium perm. to become
completely dissolved before measuring out your molar
eqivl. for the reac. Chill each mixture separately in
frig. Only after their temps are approx. = slightly above
freezing, then combine the two for the final reac to take
place. AS LITTLE AS 5 hours and in many cases a full 12
hours is required. Forget the damn IPA the reac should not require something else to chew on. Just measure your precursors accur. and bee PATIENT. it will work with a
rightous quality and quanity.
Take Care Dream Safe
"UH"
StarDog

"UH"
StarDog 		 
 
 
 
    alice_d25
(Newbee)
06-01-00 10:17
No 12260
User Picture  		      Re: Red P     

hey Dev Dex,
it's easy man, you just get white P, and paint it!!!
wonukinfuries.

Hey Placebo, see what you mean about the tag, well done

Yours
Alice D25

"Trust in God, but tie your Camel" [Arab Proverb] 		 
 
 
 
    Charles
(Stranger)
06-01-00 11:23
No 12292
User Picture  		      Re: More proof of cops     

Hahahahahahaha... they cant put you in jail for looking.. the cant put you in jail for knowing they can put you in jail for doing.. if the lay showed up on my doorstep today they woludnt find anything do you know why... becuse there is nothing to find.. and anyone that is stupid enough to post somthing incremanating online in an open forum where anyone can view it needs to be locked up before they blow themselves up trying to make somthing.. most of the ppl here that post these questions dont know enoughg to make soup, and all you have to do is spent one hour here looking for your info and by then you will have enough to make whatever you want, its all already here.. so the ppl that stick around to post are here to fuck off.. the others are just dicks that cant see whats right infront of them.. its all here already.. no need to ask any questions.. well you belive what you want to belive.. and the reason post like this are lock it its an anoynce, like somone comming into you house and calling your momma a whore.. you wolud throw em out woludnt you.. well thats all i have to say to you.. 
ok where is the lock on this thread.. and when do i get to be a newbee or somthing else.. i hate this stranger thing.


Yes it was big ugly and smelly but that didn't matter it was mine and no one could take it from me. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Stranger)
06-01-00 11:24
No 12293
User Picture  		      Re: Need a new extraction method because mine sucks     

An off-topic question: when one gasses the toluene containing freebase meth, how long does one do it for? I realise if the gas is really cranking out, less time will be needed but, on average, how long is needed?

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 11:39
No 12305
User Picture  		      Re: SciAlli records seized!!     

If the feds did seize their records, it's because there is some sorta investigation going on. This would most likely be a criminal investigation, right? Now, if emails (warning letters) were sent out by the supplier to custies in question, then SA just interfered with a criminal investigation.


Only if they're investigating customers.  If they're investigating SA themselves for some wrongdoing (could be a tax audit or something like that), then perhaps SA is within their rights to tell their customers what happened.

Plus, I think that companies that sell list II chems are required to hand over records at certain intervals.  Perhaps this is SA's way of letting their customer base what is happenning and when???

Purely speculating,

zooligan

 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 12:02
No 12324
User Picture  		      Re: methylamine     

It could be blue if it were coloured with food dye.
Pure is white whatever gives it colour is impurity

Yes it is rumoured that it can turn a bit orange if overcooked but does not mean it is ruined 		 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Newbee)
06-01-00 12:36
No 12337
User Picture  		      Re: ox blood     

Which brings back my point.is it an easy way out for pill derived shit that wont crystallise.Ive seen lame attempts at difficult pills that was never going to be a solid. 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Newbee)
06-01-00 13:49
No 12364
User Picture  		      Asarone info     

I found this in an old Muki Bear post. Thought it was relevant:
Beta-asarone (cis-2,4,5-Trimethoxy-1-propenylbenzene)
C12H16O3, mw:208.26 d1.073
(liquid at room temp and in freezer, boiling point ~155°C/25 mmHg)

Gamma-asarone (euasarone, selishone)
(2,4,5-Trimethoxy-allylbenzene)
C12H16O3, mw:208.26 bp685 283°C d(20°C)1.078

Antibody can only repeat what antibody has gleaned from used condom wrappers! 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-01-00 14:29
No 12376
User Picture  		      Re: Making Ammonium Formate and Formamide     

> is ammonium formate really just formamide with water in it?

Not exactly, but kind of. If you heat ammonium formate, you will get formamide and water.

HCOONH4 =heat=> HCONH2 + H2O

So it really doesn't matter which one you put in your flask at the start, as the leuckart reaction involves a lot of heat anyway.

> Antibody also wonders whether equal ammounmt in TSII Leukart write up refers to equimolar formic to ammonia.
> Could Ammonium Formate be made by acidifing an ammonia solution with formic acid?

Yes and yes.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 15:53
No 12405
User Picture  		      Rev Drone     

Yes, rev drone always had some good insights and more importantly had some good references.  I wonder where that son of a bitch is.   Doesn't he have a web page?  Does anybody know what it is?

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilitate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 15:58
No 12409
User Picture  		      Re: beez pills     

Just do methanol extraction...Filter...Filter...Filter...Until you've got a clear solution of methanol... Then evaporate the methanol to yield nice chicken feed .HCl crystals..


Note: A buchner funnel, vac. filtration flask, and vac. pump will aid in this process tremendously...If you have access to such devices for your filtrations start with a high porosity filter paper and work your way down..(to get purest filtrate)


If it's the FREEBASE you want:

Take your nice crystals from the MeOH extraction add to minimal amount of dH2O needed to dissolve the XTLS then add super saturated basic solution and watch your freebase fall out of solution.

Then filter,filter,filter...Wash with dH20 mutliple times to rid your freebase of any residual NaOH...And your left with nice fluffy FREEBASE chicken feed..

Note: This will not work if you have too much water in your solution...



"UH"
-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 16:50
No 12427
User Picture  		      Here's a jerky website     

http://www.slimjim.com/index2.html 		 
 
 
 
    blue_diamond
(Stranger)
06-01-00 18:49
No 12468
User Picture  		      Re: Try, Try again     

Yeah ageless,

What¡¯s up. Glad to see your back.  Always thought you had a cool name and from your previous posts I knew that you had a handle on things.
A Guy methyl man Doesn¡¯t Know (mr. Agidk) had similar problems early on.  I don¡¯t have the post, but psychokitty recommended to agidk to distill his product slowly.  Very very slowly.  After all, if you know you have product in your DCM, you just need to get to it.  Agidk¡¯s problem was from water contamination, so his oil was going to like ph 1 or 0.  agidk ended up putting the oil into the freezer and starting another batch, only to see his oil explode into crystals in a very short time.  Hopefully this is what you have done in the meantime and are reaping the rewards of your success.

Best wishes ageless,
Peace, bd

Ps you fly fish at all? 		 
 
 
 
    Dutchy
(Stranger)
06-01-00 19:40
No 12486
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras in Holland?     

It is not possible to by sassafras oil over the counter in Holland anymore since last June 1999.  I went to all the reform shops then and got the last 10-30 ml bottles. When I couldn't find anymore I asked the store to order some, I went back a few days later and they said it wasn't available anymore because it is used to make drugs.  I also went to "De Tuinen"  in Den Haag, Holland and before the end of last year they did have this stuff called ROOK-WEG  which contained three natural oils, mainly Sassafras oil, Sinaasappel oil and Bergamot oil.  I bought the last two they had and they couldn't order anymore either.

It looks like there will be no more Sassy oil available here in Holland.  That's fucking bullshit!!!!

Also, most of the camphor oil sold today OTC doesn't contain any safrole or maybe extremely little safrole, it is only white camphor oil.  Yellow camphor oil contains 20% safrole and  brown camphor oil contains 50-60% safrole. 

The Smart shops were also selling bags of Sassafras Root Bark in Holland but last time I went there they said they didn't receive any more from their suppliers.

Sorry bud------Dutchy 		 
 
 
 
    randolph_carter
(Newbee)
06-01-00 19:55
No 12496
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras in Holland?     

doodz...

we have literally TONS (english units)of "rossed" sassafrass root bark tell yer shops to get in touch with us......

ifn they can't find it anywhere else....
we got it!!!!

and NO we won't sell "oil" only raw herbal products......

sheeeit!!!!!!



"remember little ones, love is real,not fade away, so pass some on today......" 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 20:06
No 12502
User Picture  		      Re: methoxylation with nothing to start...     

Why pip analogs? Well, lemme see, just for fun? Legal status different, non-scheduled.
Lovely substances (BZP, TFMPP). Hundreds of subs available legally... .

Thanks for the info you two!

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Newbee)
06-01-00 22:09
No 12549
User Picture  		      Re: Better hash oil extraction     


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Dope Amine
Hive Bee
Posts: 232
Registered: Feb 99
  posted 04-09-2000 08:29 PM           
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Hey fellas, I did my shopping at Home Depot. They had everything one would need including butane refillers in the same section where they keep propane for torches. I know that there are very few of us here that have experience with this method, but I must say that it has taken hardly any trouble to get all of the neccesary chems and if it works right, then it'll surely beat evaporating solvents and such. Anywayz, I just wanted to make sure I have everything down exactly correct b4 I go out to an open field and do this: I have 2 ft of steel pipe 1 inch in diameter. I have filled it with leaf and crappy bud from my last harvest. It is capped with pvc caps after using some teflon tape for a good seal. The entrance cap has one hole 7/64 inch in diameter. The exit cap has 3 holes of the same size. Does 2 ft of 1 in diameter sound like a good shape for this? It's more skinny than I'd like considering how much plant matter I have, but I figured it would be better for directing the flow of oil. Secondly, will the fact that there is a greater area for exit of fluid/gas compared to enterance cause problems with keeping the butane in liquid form? ThanX
 
Methyl Man
Hive Bee
Posts: 510
Registered: Sep 98
  posted 04-10-2000 02:40 AM           
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Okay here's the scoop. A catholic priest who lives on my street, Father Boyfondler, has done this method many times. He says your pipe is a bit long and skinny, yes, but it shouldn't matter. The main thing is that the butane moves down through it and out the bottom. Don't pack the herb in there, just keep tapping it and let it settle. Give yourself a couple inches of headroom at the top so the gas can enter. Make sure your butane is NOT of the odorized variety (the can should say "odorant added" if it is). If it is, the product will have a stinky sulfur taste and odor. I know, because I watched the good father make this mistake his first time and use butane from the camping supply store. He still worries about what he may have been smoking along with the THC there before he figured out his mistake. The only source for NON-odorized butane I know of is those cans used for cigarette lighter refill. They are usually yellow and blue and say "Clipper" on them for the brand name.
Regarding your question about the hole size etc.: no, it's no problem because the butane liquifies in there and moves down the pipe as a liquid. It exits as a liquid too, but quickly starts boiling at ambient temp since it is so volatile. Father Boyfondler likes to place the receiving beaker in a saucepan of hot water to speed up this evaporation.

Good luck my son...


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CHEMMAN
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  posted 04-10-2000 05:55 AM           
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I have witnessed the butane method.I am curious how one would go putting green stock in a vessel,and pumping steam thru to steam distill the oil.May bee trying this soon.
 
Dope Amine
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  posted 04-10-2000 05:56 PM           
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Thanx Methyl Man. One question though, what do you think would be the ideal diameter and length? The reason I used 1 inch diameter and 2 ft. length instead of say, 2 inch diameter and 1 ft. length is because I figured that with a smaller diameter more fluid will run through a given area of the pipe.
 
LaBTop
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  posted 04-10-2000 07:35 PM           
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Think iso-butane. LT/
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Dope Amine
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  posted 04-10-2000 08:27 PM           
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Wait r u trying to say I am supposed to use iso-butane, not regular butane?

Well, I just got back from the field were I had attempted to do the extraction. It didn't work. The first foot of metal pipe frosted over, but not the second foot. This is where I feel my problem is. I pumped in 120 g of BUTANE, but the bottom half never got cold enough to keep the butane liquid. Damn, it is going to take a long fucking time to procesess all my herb if I have to do it in batches that fit in a 1 in. diameter by 1 ft. pipe. Methyl man, you said that maybe I should use a wider pipe. Do you think my problem is what I think it is, because if it were so, then I would think widening the pipe would cause the same problem as having it be too long?
 
Methyl Man
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  posted 04-10-2000 11:15 PM           
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Mr. Amine:
About isobutane, perhaps LT knows that it works even better. I don't know. But butane works fine, believe me. Plus (assuming you're in the US), I don't think you can get OTC isobutane with no additives very easily at all.

Now, relax... your results there sound like you just didn't have enough butane. Did you notice it back-spewing as a gas out of the entrance hole at all? Possibly, you packed the weed too tight in there and the problem is that the butane was not able to move freely enough through the pipe and you lost it out the top hole. Whatever the problem was, it was something simple and I can assure you the method works well and is very easy. Look at the simple physics involved and figure out what the hangup is.

I think the pipe that the padre uses (PVC, yuck) is about 1.5 ft long with 3-inch diameter. If that's not exactly it, it's damn close. And that works great for him, but he has to use two 300mL cans of butane to really extract well the large load of leaf in there. What size (in mL) was the can of butane you used?

 
Methyl Man
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  posted 04-10-2000 11:21 PM           
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By the way, it's really not the cold temp that's keeping the butane liquid---it's the confinement. Think about a cigarette lighter... it doesn't have to be cold to work. It's the fact that the butane can't get out quickly that keeps it liquid. Similarly, when you have it confined in the pipe, it's seeking the bottom holes but has to get by the weed first (forgot to tell you it's a good idea to plug the top hole with your finger after injecting the butane and while waiting for it to exit out the bottom), thereby effecting the extraction.
Try again, you'll nail it.

 
Dope Amine
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  posted 04-11-2000 02:20 PM           
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Thanks Man. Yea I figured I should plug the top hole when I was doing it. My butane cans are closer to 50 ml although I'm not sure cuz it's all desribed in weight and I'm not about to go look that shit up. The name on the can is Bernz-O-matic. Where the fuck do ya find 300 ml cans of butane? My physics problem is that since there are 3 holes for the exit and thus 3 times the area of the entering hole, this would make it a problem with maintaining the needed pressure. Maybe packing the weed very tight, but barely not too tight is the optimal setup. And what about pluging the exit holes while filling? Oh well, I'm going to go try 1 ft with two of those cans right now.
 
Methyl Man
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  posted 04-11-2000 04:35 PM           
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Oh man, 50 mL isn't anywhere near enough. You need the shit to come dribbling out hard out of there when it finally gets to the bottom. You need to basically *soak* the material inside for the extraction, that's the idea.
And BTW, actual pressure isn't part of this. You're not trying to contain pressure. The confinement of the pipe is enough to keep it from gassing out. Here's something important I should have added: you need to put in enough butane so that you have barely finished injecting it, or maybe are still injecting it, when it starts coming out of the bottom. That's why you need a big can or two of butane. Father Boyfondler gets his from liquor stores and cigarette shops.

If you can only get ~50 mL cans, have 10 of them ready and do 'em all in rapid succession! The butane coming out the bottom into your receiving container (glass beaker!) should be a pale, piss-yellow like color.

 
Dope Amine
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  posted 04-11-2000 08:56 PM           
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I am missing something cuz the butane has never dripped out. It sure as hell gasses out though. I went out to the field and I couldn't separate the two 1 ft. lengths of pipe cuz they were screwed together too tight. So, I tried two cans with 2 ft. and it didn't work. I got the pipes separated and I'm gonna steal 5 of those cans tomorrow and do it on a 1 ft. piece. Thanks for all the interest. I'm not giving up.
 
Sumerian
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  posted 04-12-2000 10:05 AM           
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A straight non-polar solvent extraction will give you a better yield of oil and much cheaper I might add. Have tried both,butane is novel in approach and its selectivity is apparent,but requires multiple extractions to get all the oil. Refluxing material in non-polar solvent,filter,evap. will give you much higher yields. Starting material that is steeped in a large excess of hot water first (de-carboxylation) ~30min, then dried and used will help yields also.
 
LaBTop
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  posted 04-12-2000 12:29 PM           
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NO ! Did you ever try? LT/
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Dope Amine
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  posted 04-14-2000 05:34 PM           
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Methyl Man, you are my homie! Thanx so much for the encouragement. I just came back from doing a tightly packed (with leaf) 1 ft by 1 in (diameter) tube using three of the bottles described before. It was great! I tried to keep the bottom plugged with my finger figuring that this would keep the pressure higher and thus more liquid butane. All of the sudden my finger couldn't hold anymore and the bottom exploded with beutiful gold oil into my pyrex dish! By halfway through the third can the butane started to come out clear and I knew that the job was done  . This method is the shit because you get the purest in a matter of minutes. Everyone should extract THC and maybe even salvorin A this way. Fuck evaporating off solvents!
 
Dope Amine
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  posted 04-14-2000 05:43 PM           
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Oh one last thing, butane does naturally smell doesn't it? I didn't see a warning on the can, but I could smell somethin'. But it wasn't a super strong odor.
 
Methyl Man
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  posted 04-14-2000 11:06 PM           
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Yeah I think butane has a natural odor that is pretty weak, and hard to describe. The main thing is that once it's evap'd off you shouldn't smell any kind of stinky sulfur-like odor, or taste/smell it in the smoked product.
So that's great, you got the hang of it now. I suggest getting a much wider pipe, like 3", to make loading and emptying the thing a lot easier.

One thing that's important that hasn't really been said about all this is that people really should stop smoking pot plant matter, as it's so harmful to the lungs. Once you start smoking the oil only for a while, you'll see how much damage you were doing with the burning plant just to get the oil coating the outside (aka resin).

HASH OIL FOREVER!!

 
Dope Amine
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  posted 04-15-2000 03:18 AM           
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Agreed Methyl Man. That is the only thing that ever really bothers me about my THC ingestion. I sometimes get really stoned, and then I feel guilty about my lungs.
-DA

 
LaBTop
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  posted 04-18-2000 04:24 PM           
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Here, another one:
freejon
unregistered posted 11-06-1998 08:15 AM
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This is my original post and idea.
Please pass it on.
there will be no interference from frozen material, you cannot pack the pipe hard enough. I did this as a first with grass(pot) for the oil then for dmt it works like a charm.
Nothing will impead you if you do as posted..
It is the BEAST extraction method in the world. You can use carbon dioxide gas as well.
Please do not assume that anything will go wrong with the way posted, those who have not tried it will winder all day what can go wrong the rest of us will be too high to care..................freejon(=Gyrogearloose) LT/
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Dope Amine
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  posted 04-18-2000 09:25 PM           
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I agree, this method is the shit! I am going to do it with salvia divinorium leaves and then maybe some phalaris grass after I finish converting all my fluffy bud and leaf into a GOLDEN OIL. I want to isomerize all of my oil and then turn atleast part of it into its acetate. If anyone has any experience or know how with the acetate part (using acetic anhydride) their comments would be appreciated. My one problem with the method is that I feel a bit guilty having stolen about 20 butane refillers (60 mL) and I still have not found a good source for a larger size. Today, I called all of the camping supply places around and they only had isobutane or a butane/propane mix. I think I'd prefer n-butane over isobutane as n-butane's bp is -.45 deg. C, while iso is -11.7 deg. C (less gas wasted).
 
Dope Amine
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  posted 04-19-2000 02:36 AM           
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LT, would you care to disagree about isobutane?
 
LaBTop
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  posted 04-20-2000 12:22 AM           
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Good, a little example:
put 1 cm3 dry-ice and 1cm3 water-ice beside eachother in the sun.
Guess which one is gone the first, and which one stays a fluid the longest.
Capice? Now get your dammn iso-butane. LT/
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Starlite
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  posted 04-20-2000 03:50 AM           
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Hate to rain on the pvc parade, but blow butane through your pipe before you load it. I discovered that it welds the threads shut... either it leaches some plasticizer that gets through onto the threads or it melts them a bit...either way, they froze up tight... use stainless
 
LaBTop
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  posted 04-22-2000 12:17 AM           
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Use enough teflon-tape on the threads, and then high-vacuum grease on that. LT/
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Dope Amine
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  posted 04-22-2000 04:44 AM           
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I have found that it is impossible to open the pipe right after doing an extraction just b/c it's so damn cold. I use pvc caps and an iron tube. Once it warms up, it is much easier.
LT, call me dense, but I didn't understand how your dry ice example had anything to do with iso-butane. If I do it with iso-butane, I will have to make a new and improved setup. I am not complaining about this because the iso tanks are much larger and thus my tube will get to be much larger, holding more plant matter. But, I will have to fit my cap with a screw on fitting for the threaded part on the iso tank.

God I love having a GOLDEN THC oil. So pure and good. I am going to isomerize it very soon. It is hard to hold off on using it although I know I should wait until after isomerization. Anybody got instructions/tips on making the acetate?

 
Dope Amine
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  posted 04-22-2000 04:50 AM           
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One thing I will add is that I think it is very important to plug up the bottom holes with your finger when first loading with butane. This increases the pressure and thus increases the ammount of liquid butane in the tube. I have not plugged the tube and gone through 2 whole canisters with nothing but gas coming out. Then I have plugged the tube initially and about 2/3 through the first canister, my finger pops off as oil explodes from the bottom.   
 
Krash_X
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  posted 04-22-2000 03:26 PM           
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Does this method work on salvia?
 
Dope Amine
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  posted 04-23-2000 06:10 AM           
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Don't know for sure YET.
 
Powderking
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  posted 04-26-2000 05:55 AM           
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get 1ft pvc pipe put end caps on both ends drill a fee holes in one end 1 single in the other mull up gear pack in pipe atatch butane to singe hole and hold down untill empty collect thc and butane out of bottom butane will evaperate easy leeving THC YEAAAAAAAA WILL WORK HAVE DONE IT PROPANE WILL WORK TO  		 
 
 
 
    SpaceMonkey
(Stranger)
06-01-00 22:26
No 12558
User Picture  		      Re: vacuum pumps     

So what you are saying is that more "Hg means more vacuum?  And that 20"Hg ain't what we want to distill oils?

SM 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
06-01-00 22:35
No 12564
User Picture  		      Re: ox blood     

HAY devdex  dont waist space posting shit
fucking comments like that you better say sorry
to placebo i mean get on the floor and beg little boy
placbo does no some shit

bisssssss  busssssss 		 
 
 
 
    Felix
(Newbee)
06-01-00 23:02
No 12572
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker Problems     

Hey DeJay... SWIF had the same problem... what worked for him was this: after the first NaOH wash (which left him with a nasty black mess), he put the sep funnel (hopefully you have one) in a ringstand and SLOWLY opened the stopcock... he ran the stream over the back of a big spoon. This widens the stream so you can examine it closely. Do this with plenty of light nearby and you'll see shiny rainbow ripples as the oil layer drains away. You can guesstimate about how big your oil layer is, and when you know you're getting close, watch for the shiny ripples to stop. The rest will be the aqueous layer.
PS: You may need to filter this mess before you do it... The hydroquinone crystals can clog the stopcock....
  		 
 
 
 
    pyrotek
(Newbee)
06-02-00 01:12
No 12622
User Picture  		      Re: arr fuck i need help     

thank's dude i will rember that one ;)

arr where would the world be with out my 12gauge :) 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 01:31
No 12631
User Picture  		      Re: Food coloring in the honey     

Not for security but I had a buddy that would make up Red&GREEN for Xmas.
LARGEMAN
cool

"UH"
LARGEMAN 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 01:47
No 12640
User Picture  		      Re: phos from road flare question     

while on the phos subject SWIB came across some white phos but i have no use for it, beside throwing the containers and watching the shit burn when container breaks and the shit touches the air, but can White P be used in any reaction?

00011000
00111100
01111110
00111100
00011000 		 
 
 
 
    DeJay
(Stranger)
06-02-00 02:44
No 12655
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker Problems     

Thanks bizwax and Felix. Knowing that the portion you want is on the bottom I figured it was just a calculation in finding the organic part, but it seems that I'm doing something else wrong to me. 1.Could it be that my very low yields are a result of bringing over too much wash? 2.Is the black tar at the end of distillation normal? One of the posts I read said to add a little oil(?) but I did not want to vary the procedure. BS makes it sound so simple and truely it is the easiest synth. I have found and can put my little mind around. I've been reading and practicing for over a year now and feel like I'm really not any closer. The vacuum thing really threw me off at first because I didn't know that my vac was not good enough. BS said to do the scale as in the writeup but all that stuff will not fit in my 500ml.flask ?????? maybe his flask has a 100ml. neck on it? The first time I read the procedure I knew that it was not going to fit in my flask,(3.) should I buy a different one? One thing stands out in my mind---- he said to do it exactly as written---and because I know I'm not as qualified as he is I question my own reasonings. I have however had a lot of practice now and am starting to become a little more confident. I cut the rxn in half to make it fit in a 500ml. and to allow for less waste if I messed up. This was probably a mistake too. Something I don't understand though. If you have this layer on the bottom and its in this layer of black crystals and you pour off (decant) the top portion, You still have this black crystals in the mix.4. He says nothing about removing them or filtering them out so I'm assuming they possibly have product in them.? (I did it this way the first time) Then washed the watery layer with 2x100dcm everything looked good until I hit the whole thing with the red devil stuff. All the crystall were gone, desolved obviously and the whole thing was a black mess with no way to see any layer at all. My point is,(5.) is he now saying to remove or filter the crystals before proceding because I don't want to change anything in his synth. without knowing for sure there is no product in them. I really appreciate all your help in the past Mr. Star. Please read my post if you have time and answer a few questions for me. The student is ready to learn. If I weren't so old I'd take a few chem classes.(child of the 60's) Old hippies don't die they just find better drugs.

better music
younger women
faster horses
yah da yah da
Thanks
The DeJay 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 06:33
No 12716
User Picture  		      Re: paper for trips     

I used to run with the lab of Jesus Christ, Felix, Orange/Red Suns, etc. fame when we were with Dead/Rainbow.  100mcg was the idea, but with sloppy technique on the road, my guess is 70-80mcg was the end product.  The loss has definately been confirmed by eating the wax paper sitting under the drying sheets...... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........

I always wondered about laying sheets on new dollar bills.....   never seen it done, but have offered the idea up to people who shoulda/coulda/woulda been able to do it.  Maybe it wouldnt work.  Maybe it would..... 

Good luck to the feds finding birthday $$ from Grandma in the mail....

Those wrapped peppermint candies work nicely.  Toss em in a dish on your coffee table.  Make sure elderly relatives don't start munching on them.... 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 07:54
No 12731
User Picture  		      Re: Food coloring in the honey     

Cooooool. So, does the food coloring present any problems ? 		 
 
 
 
    Anglo_Chic
(Stranger)
06-02-00 08:04
No 12734
User Picture  		      Re: sassy distillation     

Try 300ml and see how long it takes.  Vacuum makes life much easier. 		 
 
 
 
    gaston
(Stranger)
06-02-00 08:05
No 12735
User Picture  		      Re: paper for trips     

it's a psychological thing. i want to take 1 "trip" and be far out. i dont like the "hit" system. you can still half or quarter a trip. but a trip has to be a trip. 		 
 
 
 
    pornstar
(Newbee)
06-02-00 08:37
No 12740
User Picture  		      Re: Zoloft: Sertraline hydrochloride     

Thanks Einsteinium,

btw, would have chemical stucture pic for Ephedrine?
if ya do could ya just post in this thread.
Cheers.

  		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-02-00 09:13
No 12744
User Picture  		      Re: Zoloft: Sertraline hydrochloride     

http://www.chemfinder.com/ 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 09:54
No 12753
User Picture  		      Re: OTC NaOH?     

I must say the NaOH solution in wood bleaching kits has been of much higher quality than red devil, and far less prone to problem causing....... when bleaching tables of course 		 
 
 
 
    jinjero
(Stranger)
06-02-00 11:57
No 12769
User Picture  		      Re: formamide and dimethylformamide     

just another stupid question where should i have it mailed ...a P.O. box ??
any other input is welcomed

thanx :) 		 
 
 
 
    MethGn0me
(Newbee)
06-02-00 12:07
No 12772
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    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 12:09
No 12773
User Picture  		      Re: rolecall: all bees feelin a bit panicky right now     

What do yall think about seized records of an order of benzoquinone?


I think every bee who has ordered compounds that are used in drug chemistry should start figuring out what they are used for legitimately.  Start learning your cover stories real well and maybe buy some mainstream materials that fit with your chosen legitimate use.

Mail drops and fake ID's folks!

 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-02-00 12:37
No 12782
User Picture  		      Re: 3,4,5-TRIMETHOXYPHENETHYLAMINE     

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Phenethylamines/Mescaline/

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 13:15
No 12794
User Picture  		      Re: Vacuum Pump     

Before you cut all the lines there was a closed system in which the oil could re-circulate - to be used as you intend that system must be opened. Use an elastic band to fasten a piuece of foam over the  tube spewing oil (makes a smaller mess) and don’t forget to add new oil (motor oil will do) regularily or your pump will fry. Just feed it into the vaccumm inlet. The compressors antibody has seen  have the amount of oil required printed on the casing. Last one he saw called for 27 cubic inches of oil (must be from the states with an ass measurement like that.)

Your pump might still overheat with continuous use. To remedy this pick-up a used muffin fan and point it running at the compressor while it is being used.

Antibody has noticed that the amount of vacuum created by these systems will fluctuate a fair bit. You can get dizzy looking at the thermometer.

Antibody can only repeat what antibody has gleaned from used condom wrappers! 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 16:18
No 12848
User Picture  		      Re: DMF or Formamide in Leuckart Rxn.???     

Leuckart for review:



So you're using ammonium formate in the Leuckart with DMF (in place of the more traditional choice of formamide) as the solvent to aminate MDP2P? It sounds like it should work. DMF and formamide can usually be substituted as solvents.

I wonder if methylammonium formate (or whatever it'd be called) could be used in place of ammonium formate to give MDMA? Just curious.

However, I've got no experience with this. More experienced bees should reply to make sure what I've said is correct. 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 16:23
No 12850
User Picture  		      Re: How To Obtain     

hell no over the counter. no way.

It's all script.

erowid.org probably has some info. go there 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 18:01
No 12887
User Picture  		      Re: Tramadol     

Yeah, I agree, not really recreational but nonetheless a good analgesic and sedative.
I gave my lab rat 190 mg once, phew.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    sassy_sucker
(Stranger)
06-02-00 18:56
No 12909
User Picture  		      Re: Better hash oil extraction     

Does anyone have any experience dreaming about extracting sassy oil from root bark with this method or is the sassy oil not soluable in butane? 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Newbee)
06-02-00 19:39
No 12921
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker Problems     

1/2 sized water cooler bottle (~2.5gal)
stopper
stopcock or pinch vave
clear tubing with clear glass tube to see layer thru
Some assembly required..
Or just buy one, they do MAKE them after allsmile
There ya go

THE BUDWIZARD 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Addict)
06-02-00 20:09
No 12935
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras in oz     

Why has nobody emailed placebo on this matter?

Fucked if I help any cunt anymore!

placebox@privacyx.com

The First Hive Addict
and all I had to do was act natural 		 
 
 
 
    hey_man
(Pimp Master)
06-02-00 21:11
No 12978
User Picture  		      Re: Inactive users     

I monitor that entire area rather heavily and do a lot of manual up keep on it as it is. Obviously registered names in which the person didn't properly register will never work for them and are purged daily, usualy as many as 15 a day.

I would have already clipped a shit load of the 0 post names in there and the ones that have never logged in but spitballs name would have been affected. I think I'm going to remove it for his own best interest anyhow since its becoming to tempting for him to want to use it.

The cleaner we keep the data bases the less our chances become in running into corruption 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Newbee)
06-02-00 21:23
No 12979
User Picture  		      Re: Better hash oil extraction     

Hey peoples.  Ok, the process has been perfected.  The 50 ml cans that I got can work fine.  Use an iron pipe 1 in. in diameter with the caps with holes as described in the post of mine above.  You have to use 3 x 50 ml cans to do between 1 and 2 foot lengths of pipe depending on how much oil is in your material.  IMPORTANT: It is critical that you cover the bottom 3 holes with your thumb so that pressure builds up inside the pipe.  Otherwise, it won't remain a liqid.  I usually emty out one can and get halfway through the next before my thumb can nolonger hold the pressure.  The bottom then explodes with golden oil and I go through another can before the butane starts running clear.  I wouldn't recommend using a pipe that was wider than 1 " just because then the butane might not pick up the oil on the sides of the top part.  Also, you can pack the pipe as tight as you like.  It's probably better to pack it tight, because that will help in pressurizing the inside.

This method is the SHIT!  What comes out is very pure and beutiful.  I have isomerized the oil which turned it a much deeper red color and am now evaporating off the acetic anhydride after acetylating it. 

This method ought to work great with any other non-polar goodie including DMT and salvorin A.  I'll check this post later if anybody has any questions. 		 
 
 
 
    Compton
(Stranger)
06-02-00 21:27
No 12982
User Picture  		      Re: Ecstasy related deaths     

Very simply, there is still much unknown about the effects of MDMA on the body and especialy the brain. What is known is that when taken in large quatities, it can cause the brain to swell when there is consumed large amounts of water. As a side note, any deaths assosiated with E are certianly not as a result of the LD50 (The Lethal Dose for 50% of animals usualy measured in MG per KG). The LD50 is 97mg/kg in mice, 49mg/kg in rats, and 98mg/kg in guinea pigs. It is unknown how these numbers would directly correspond to humans if at all, but testing with primates with doses up to 40mg/kg have been given in a 24 hour period with zero side effects noted. The lethal dose per human has been estimated to be about 106mg/kg or about 8500mg for a 180 lbs person. When put into perspective that most people, even the most insensitve people are compleatly off thier ass at 2-3mg/kg, it is reasonable to assume that there is a large margin of safty per effective dose (ED50) to leathal dose. And simply the most reasonable conclution that leads me to think that LD50 is not an issue in ANY ecstacy related death is that the cost to actully perchase enough for a LD50 in a 180 lbs person would be about 2,900.00 USD. No fool in their right mind would think them selfs needing to perchase that much in order to get the desiered effect, and even if pure MDMA is mistaken for well "cut" MDMA the volume of 8.5 grams that it would take would be emence, even if cut.

<bink><B>C</B>ompton. 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 21:27
No 12983
User Picture  		      Re: Tyrosine to XTC     

Are there any other amino acids out there that more closely resemble XTC derivatives? 

Like tryosine, but with othe hydroxyl positions on the ring, or ether substituted on the ring?  Any info would be greatly appreciated...

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilitate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    foxy
(Stranger)
06-03-00 03:00
No 13059
User Picture  		      Re: How To Obtain Codeine     

canada 		 
 
 
 
    Zipp
(Newbee)
06-03-00 03:46
No 13075
User Picture  		      Re: redp     

Red phosphorous

Ephedrine + red phosphorous + iodine = meth 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
06-03-00 03:47
No 13077
User Picture  		      Re: Pro-Test     

So what do you think? 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
06-03-00 03:50
No 13081
User Picture  		      Re: were do i find lye????     

You can't. It's mined on the lunar surface.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    ejlmp
(Stranger)
06-03-00 04:55
No 13106
User Picture  		      Re: New tryptamine literature     

A 1998 paper in Heterocycles, 49, 451-457 (1998)
describes a 5 step synthesis of psilocin from indole-3-carbaldehyde
(indole-3-carboxaldehyde, available from Aldrich
 at 25g for $53.20, S/N 12,944-5).
The authors (Yamada, Tamura and Somei, M*) carry out a one pot rxn
using indole-3-carbaldehyde and Tl(OCOCF3)3 in TFA at rt. for 24 h. Next step
they add iodine, CuI in DMF at rt. for 1h. The third step of this one pot involves
adding KH and benzyl alc. to give after silica gel column (1:1
EtOAc-hex.) 72% yield of 4-benzyloxyindole-3-carbaldehyde. The
first step involves regioselective thallation at the
4 position. The C-Tl bond is converted to the C-I at 4 and this
4-iodoindole compound is protected in the last step. This was
converted to 4-benzyloxyindole-3-acetonitrile in 89% yield
using NaBH4 in presence of NaCN in MeOH and formamide. LAH
reduction in ether follows to give 96% yield of
4-benzyloxyTryptamine. If they used THF, the yield fell to 25-46%. Next dimethylation with HCHO and NaCNBH4 in HOAc gave 97%
yield.
Removal of protection at position 4 with 10% Pd/C and
hydrogenation gave psilocin in
84% yield (note that all yields are of purified product). Overall yield is 50%. The thallium step is the big hurdle
in this recipe.
Eric J
Pet your dog instead:
http://home.earthlink.net/~ejlmp/Maggie.html

If you want to see the full article with structures, go to
http://argon.ch.ic.ac.uk/ectoc/echet98/pub/039/index.htm 		 
 
 
 
    Krash_X
(Newbee)
06-03-00 05:47
No 13129
User Picture  		      Re: arr fuck i need help     

Too bad some people don't have the background to understand such equations... 		 
 
 
 
    netzero_b
(Stranger)
06-03-00 05:53
No 13132
User Picture  		      Re: Question on 2ct-7     

yeah, if anybody knows the neurotoxicity of 2ct7, please post a reply. 		 
 
 
 
    furanone
(Newbee)
06-03-00 09:29
No 13186
User Picture  		      Re: GBL source lying?     

there are a couple of sources on the net that are legit and wont rip you off. As far as the guy who wont mail to u unless you have is addy goes, he is legit a friend of mine has ordered from him several times with no problems. Other than the two week turnaround it takes to get your product. Send me a message and let me know which source will stop mailing in july. There is a lab north of us that mails to the us they even have express delivery which allows you to track your package.

~Admit Nothing Deny Everything~ 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-03-00 09:50
No 13195
User Picture  		      Re: question 'bout black powder     

Real black powder is made from S, KNO3 and carbon made at low temperatures, that means the carbon still contains lots of H, O and other elemets. There is a synergism between all the ingredients which means that the ignition temp is lowered by all those chemicals present.
When you mix KClO4 with a reducing agent you have to heat the mixture to the decomposition temperature locally, which is about 400°C for the KCLO4(!). This is not easy to accomplish. Sulfur melts much earlier, meaning that much of the ignition energy is used up by this melting. When you use a strong ignition source it should be possible to ignite KClO4/S or KCO4/C mixtures too. Don't use these KClO4 mixtures in your old muzzle loader, the pressure rise from such explosives is too much for your old gun.

BTW, this is a drug board, not alt.homemade.exposives wink 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
06-03-00 09:56
No 13198
User Picture  		      Re: curbing neurotoxic effects of MDMA     

TFMPP and 3CPP are considered pretty toxic. TFMPP gave some people the most fucked up headache in their live.

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-03-00 10:35
No 13212
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras in Holland?     

You can't get it anymore. It's illegal to sell oils containing more than trace amounts of safrole. 		 
 
 
 
    Thoth
(Hive Bee)
06-03-00 12:16
No 13231
User Picture  		      Re: curbing neurotoxic effects of MDMA     

Alpha Lipoic acid is over rated, more better for insulin in sensitivity! The Omega fatty acids like 4,5,7,9 are very powerfull in protecting repairing CNS membranes, cell matter, phytochemicals, Yes;ie;picnogenols,grapes,blueberries,rasberries but the most well studied are the DHA DMAE, and other pre post choline compopunds. Since you guys are really pissing me off with the PROCRAP animal study myths, I will pull the ref for a product that can easily be purchase out side th eUSSA called VINPOCETINE this vasodilator actually increases blood flow in damaged areas of the brain with non steal effect!, As if human gets any damage in moderate > 300mg doses

RAT DOG MONKEY STUDIES DO NOT ALWAYS REP HUMANS are we more evolved than MONKEYS?

Maybe we are not evolved a marine animals, like th eshark or dolphin, but we sure have better adaptive mechanisms than rats and monkeys!!!

The above compound also improves the activating power of LC neurons and tuely enhances cognitive action!

VAsopressin (Desmopressin, also enhances orgasmic contractions!!) this scompound even can improve memory at least short term!

Germany has also been using Nerve growth factor that is promising in promtoing CNS repair!

Get off the NIDA FDA bandwagon people. Mdma is safer tHAN DAILY USE OF ssri'S AND mao'S.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

thoth knows all
oTH wants to be like THOTH :)

Opinions may be illegal based due to Meth anti proli act so much for the degrees, ClubFedexme? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-03-00 15:47
No 13278
User Picture  		      Re: LabTop modified performic findings     

Ask in the aquisition forum, or check out its synthesis on my page.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    hazwaste
(Stranger)
06-03-00 15:55
No 13282
User Picture  		      Re: sodium cyanoborohydride     

"If they are ordering the shit they know exactly how to store it. jesus"  Then why am i reading about you guys refridgerating it?!?  No refridge is required...but DRY, INERT conditions are vital!!!  In the proper moist conditions this material will self ignite. 		 
 
 
 
    StraightEdge
(Stranger)
06-03-00 17:53
No 13312
User Picture  		      Re: GBL source lying?     

the source I speak of doesn't sound like those you describe......but I'll let you know what happens 		 
 
 
 
    MTM
(Stranger)
06-03-00 19:22
No 13336
User Picture  		      Re: epsom salt / acetone ratio     

I could have also said 100 g to 1000 mL! Most likely your acetone doesn´t contain much water anyway! However, put in the salt and you will be fine. (g!!)

-----MTM behaves like a nun----- 		 
 
 
 
    kashtwomizer
(Stranger)
06-03-00 19:34
No 13339
User Picture  		      Re: epsom salt / acetone ratio     

Thanks again.  I got what you meant. Just wanted to make sure that I knew the best way to fix damage done by SWIM.  I know to keep my lids on and believe in waste not want not!       Cleaning up the mistakes of others is not my goal in Life! 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
06-03-00 21:21
No 13373
User Picture  		      Re: Asarone info     

anybody? 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
06-03-00 22:04
No 13385
User Picture  		      Re: 80% return on HI / RP     

I was caught tottaly unaware by a large dose of povidone,
The reacion was sluggish and had to be pushed all the way.

To remove  the globs of povidone I am sure I did it the worst way possible, multiple filtrations.
Each time the filter was plugged up severly.
From what Should have been a minimum return of *8oz ended up with 2oz
Barely broke even after 4 days of fucking with it.

So  I was determined to never let it happen again and began testing for it initially,
And eventually developed a better method of removing it and doing it in the E stage before the reaction, it seems to give a poor return of E 70% which is low enough and a big enough hassle that I avoid povidone all together

Worlock UH
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    CherrieBaby
(Stranger)
06-03-00 23:34
No 13410
User Picture  		      Benzaldehyde to Phenylpropanolamine.     

Sorry. That previous post of mine was wrong.

Glycine and Benzaldehyde can react (via an Aldol condensation) to give beta-hydroxy-(phenylalanine)

1. Conversion of glycine to a shiff base:
   CH2(NH2).COOH  +  PhCHO  -->  CH2(NH=CH.Ph).COOH

2. Condensation of the schiff base with (another) mole of benzaldehyde:
   Ph.CHO  +  CH2(NH=CH.Ph).COOH  -->  Ph.CH(OH).CH(NH=CH.Ph).COOH

3. Hydrolysis of the Schiff base:
   Ph.CH(OH).CH(NH=CH.Ph).COOH  -->  Ph.CH(OH).CH(NH2).COOH

If alanine was used instead of glycine you could expect to get:

   Ph.CH(OH).CH(NH2)(COOH).CH3  :-  alpha-methyl,beta-hydroxy-(phenylalanine)

that could be decarboxylated to phenylpropanolamine.

The bit above in my previous post, about N-methyl-alanine, was wrong.

References:
1. JCS 1926(3), pg 1949.
2. JACS 76 (1954) pg 1322.
3. USP 4501919 (1985) 		 
 
 
 
    Skink
(Newbee)
06-04-00 02:19
No 13432
User Picture  		      Re: echinocereus containing DET     

Schultz and Hoffmann have a reference for Echinocereus triglochildatus containing some kind of tryptamine.  I think that the DET reference might have come from Michael Valentine Smith's guide to narcotic cactii, which I think is still on-line somewhere.  Also, there is one volume of Trout's notes on cactii that I do not have.  Perhaps therein lies the reference.  Trout's notes are really interesting, but a bitch to find anything in unless you highlight it (ie- no index). 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 02:28
No 13435
User Picture  		      Re: 3 Flammable ??/1 post     

I would suggest throwing it out after each use...It's cheap, you can always buy more.. Why bother with possibly cross contaminating things???



"UH"
-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    alice_d25
(Newbee)
06-04-00 02:57
No 13441
User Picture  		      Re: 100 mg MS CONTIN     

hi,
100mg Contin's are one of my drugs of choice, consequently i have some tried & true methods for use, as follows;

1. wipe with Alcohol swab (isopropyl alc - from sharps kits)
[this removes the grey colour - would this work with red pseudo pills?)

2. wrap in paper, press with warm clothes iron - 1 minute max - this melts the wax into the paper & removes most of it- not too hot or you,ll burn the morphine!!!

3. cook with water(1-1.5mL), add more water(1mL), use 1/2 cigarette filter (cut across), and pull up into a 2.3 to 3.0 mL syringe + 19 gauge pin (otherwise will clog as wax cools), do not allow to cool too much.

4. I know people who use 26G with this and works, though must be used hot, be very careful with these as they can cause major problems if abuse continues for too long.(for long time usage use 30mg Annamorphs - no wax - mix in the barrell of 2.5mL syringe and use 26G - much easier / cleaner etc.(is however dearer)

please remeber that all of these are strong opiates and are very addictive (duh), however if that doesn't put you off - please enjoy them - but don't get caught (or a habit!!).

Yours
Alice D25

"Trust in God, but tie your Camel" [Arab Proverb] 		 
 
 
 
    alice_d25
(Newbee)
06-04-00 03:02
No 13443
User Picture  		      Re: snortin opiates..     

hi,

have you tried crushing them and smoking the powder, probably a lot easier if you remove any other products from the tablets (paracetamol etc.) this is done by dissolving in water and filtering the crud, and drying the filtrate!!

a lot of work - may however be cost effective - depends on what you do with it!!!

Yours
Alice D25

"Trust in God, but tie your Camel" [Arab Proverb] 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 03:22
No 13450
User Picture  		      Re: snortin opiates..     

heh no i havnt tried that... nor have i snorted anything. im just askin what dangers are about when someone does this because people i know are doin it and i didnt think snorting (like aqua-girl said) a gram of acetominophen was too healthy.. if they did extract thier goodies is it dangerous? aqua girl are you saying DMSO would make the absobtion of H or whatever you're blowin better? H in water? new to me.. DMSO and water?

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purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    DeJay
(Stranger)
06-04-00 04:01
No 13460
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker Problems     

anyone? 		 
 
 
 
    hey_man
(Pimp Master)
06-04-00 04:19
No 13465
User Picture  		      Re: Old board semi-working again...     

Alright, I think its as safe as its going to be, you should still manipulate that user data base though just to be safe. I made a quick pass through it for some obvious security checks but it was quick.

As soon as 45 days roll by from the last post its going to look empty, I'd suggest you tell people its available there, tell them they can't post to it, advise them if they try to post to it and some how the software lets them their IP will be publicly displayed (that should discourage most from trying in the first place). And most importantly tell them WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING IT! This should save us from 10,000 stupid questions and requests regarding it, its there, if they want to figure out how to sift through it they can have at it but we are not doing any maintenance on it or support of it. With CGI scripts being one of the top 10 exploitable resources out there I wish we didn't even have that headache to deal with at all my self.

I turned you back on, its all yours. I'd add a link to it on the home page and make it clear its a Non Supported Read only Archive, then let them discover its working again on their own, they kind of like feeling like they've discovered some great secret, it'll probably make someones day laugh 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 05:19
No 13479
User Picture  		      Re: 3 Flammable ??/1 post     

the epsoms? throw it out yeh..  but you dont need to toss toulene if you're distilling you can always reuse non polar solvents by  distilling them away from youre mixture. asuming you have a distilation setup..ok edit..NOT ONLY non polar solvents but anything really.. water, toulene, mdp2p, etc etc

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purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    ST1R
(Stranger)
06-04-00 05:34
No 13484
User Picture  		      Re: Best route to 5meo-Dipt is?     

what about just buying it?



-nothing to do, and a whole life to do it- 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 09:28
No 13525
User Picture  		      Re: small or large dreams?     

If you're new to the game.. My suggestion would be to go with a larger batch..(20grams+) From the reports kids around here get, there are less variables that can come into effect. Smaller RXNS tend to be a little more tricky than larger ones.

Not only that but if this is going to be one of your first dreams more than likely your yields wont be the greates either. Thus doing a larger batch will insure that your odds of getting some end product will be more likely.



"UH"
-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Prozac
(Stranger)
06-04-00 09:32
No 13527
User Picture  		      Re: Old board back online     

Holy Shit! Hooray!!! 		 
 
 
 
    hey_man
(Pimp Master)
06-04-00 09:48
No 13529
User Picture  		      Re: Old board online again     

Ha ha ha, couldn't let them secertly discover it on thier own huh? 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Newbee)
06-04-00 09:58
No 13533
User Picture  		      Re: gaseous methylamine     

Rhodium,
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think that was a very enlightening answer. I am well capable of calculating molar mass and using solubility, calculate how many moles of MeNH2 are dissolved in a given volume of solution. That isn't really what I'm asking. For instance, with HCl gassing, it is suggested that only enough conc. HCl is used so as to dampen the NaCl rather than flooding the whole thing. Is the situation likewise with MeNH2? Does one mix an equimolar amount of methylamine hydrochloride and NaOH and dampen with water? Or does one use a large x-s of NaOH and/or use more water than is enough merely to dampen the mixture?
Thankyou,
Synthman

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 11:31
No 13554
User Picture  		      Re: ICe iCe baby?     

Is that not methamphetamine carbonate...

every thing [green]is [purple]relative[/green][/purple] 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 12:34
No 13565
User Picture  		      Re: Old board back online     

Yeeehaw!

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    chemicalE
(Stranger)
06-04-00 13:31
No 13573
User Picture  		      Re: Making Pills     

Yeah, but don't you think that gelcaps would be harder to shift? It seems pepople are more keen to buy well pressed tablets with a known brand logo. 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 14:24
No 13581
User Picture  		      Re: methoxylation with nothing to start...     

why not start with 2,5-dimethoxyphenylbromid ?
let this react with piperazine mono HCl and you'll get the 25DMA piperazine analoge which
could possibly be brominated to give the DOB analoge (that has a potency like 2CB, but is longer lasting).

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-04-00 16:14
No 13606
User Picture  		      Re: In the mail....     

I agree with him. We have private messages now, all the bees can exchange that sort of information this way. 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 16:21
No 13611
User Picture  		      Re: CALCIUM CARBIDE?     

can someone back this one up?  I'd think the solid that forms a stable heptahydrate would be more hygroscopic than the solid that is dissociated with the release of heat.

alphabeta121 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-04-00 16:21
No 13612
User Picture  		      Re: methoxylation with nothing to start...     

Doesn't work. Bromobenzenes do not react with piperazine. Benzyl bromides will, but then you will produce a benzylpiperazine, not a phenylpiperazine. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-04-00 17:00
No 13624
User Picture  		      Re: hair analysis     

The hair is bundled, cut into small pieces (optional, for a drug history analysis), and extracted. The extract is usually altered chemically (derivatization) and tested with GC/MS. 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 17:45
No 13627
User Picture  		      Re: butane extraction of sass?     

Butane sounds a bit risky

every thing [green]is [purple]relative[/green][/purple] 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 19:21
No 13646
User Picture  		      Re: mdma side effect or just coincidence?     

me and my g/f suffer from the same pain, but you just got to wonder if it is really the mdma or what else they put in the fucking pills for filler.


http://geocities.com/b1ck_d/

I wanna b like rhod. 		 
 
 
 
    StarDog
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 20:58
No 13669
User Picture  		      Re: various lab stuff- where to get?     

punch up mail order chemistry glassware for any major search engine and take your pick of 100"s of addy's to
check out.

StarDog 		 
 
 
 
    Methaco_s_mic
(Stranger)
06-04-00 22:09
No 13689
User Picture  		      Re: Old board back online     

You guys are the greatest!!

-Methaco(s)mic 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 22:56
No 13706
User Picture  		      Re: A/B extraction     

i wont flame..i'll just refer you to the cure..or placebos re-writeup of ozbees "The Cure", and ASK YOU TO READ IT

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purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    johny
(Hive Bee)
06-04-00 23:56
No 13720
User Picture  		      Post deleted by johny     

 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 00:34
No 13729
User Picture  		      Re: mdma side effect or just coincidence?     

well you know what they say, your brain can only take so much.  Obviously drugs arent the best things for our brains.  Give them time to recover, I try to keep it too more than every 3-4 weeks per drug.  Plus that way you can enjoy them better.  GHB gives me headaches like a bitch 2-3 days after.


http://geocities.com/b1ck_d/

I wanna b like rhod. 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 00:36
No 13730
User Picture  		      Re: Old board back online     

Well everyone lets get the signatures going use the fucking search engines.  In honor of the spitty.



Use The Fucking Search Engines! 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Newbee)
06-05-00 02:00
No 13757
User Picture  		      Re: gassingquestion     

this is a cat synth but has the method for gassing at the bottom:
[url]http:// http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/cat.synthesis.txt [/url]

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 02:09
No 13759
User Picture  		      Re: Old board back online     

Can anyone recomend a program to download all the old stuff? seems valuable..if people wanted it back it must have somthing. thanks.

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purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 02:15
No 13765
User Picture  		      Re: Food coloring in the honey     

i have never tried coloring, but would the color stay presant after recrystalization? or can i just add dH2O and food coloring to my glass like crystals and dry?

00011000
00111100
01111110
00111100
00011000 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Newbee)
06-05-00 03:43
No 13787
User Picture  		      Re: Better hash oil extraction     

Yea, I isomerize with H2SO4 in an alcohol (methanol) for 3 hrs.  It changes the oil from gold to a darker hue.  Then on to acetylation!  Fun fun. 

Yea, ya like the graphic?  I actually have that on a bright orange t-shirt.  It's fun watching peoples reactions.  		 
 
 
 
    Semtex
(Newbee)
06-05-00 03:45
No 13788
User Picture  		      Re: peracetic prep     

I just checked and I don't have a copy of it laying around, but it should be noted here that there is some crystal formation at some point, and these crystals are suspected to be acetone peroxide which is a primary explosive.  I think that this can be worked around with an appropriate substitute for acetone...  Sorry I couldn't help you out some more...

crazycrazy 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Newbee)
06-05-00 05:03
No 13802
User Picture  		      Re: best GHB synthesis recipe?     

I cannot see why people use ethanol in that synthesis. From the mechanism, it looks as though it would actually inhibit it. Below is an old GHB post in which placebo gives his method:

Author  Topic:   Post GHB synth questions. 
takkimitsu
Hive Bee   posted 02-07-2000 11:04 PM           
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All right bees, here's the situation. A friend and I did a little chemistry experment in the 8th floor kitchen of my dorm building (yes the common kitchen ). After fumbling around with paper funnels and coffee filters, and tones of NaOH burns (I have a tiny hole in the crease of my thumb ), I have a cookie sheet full of white paste and chunks.
We started dissolving 60g NaOH in 3/4 a bottle of everclear(tm). Once the NaOH was sufficiantly dissolved (the solution was a bit clowdy, but nothing sitting on the bottom) we added 120mL gammabutyrolactone. POOF!!! VOALA!! crystals everywhere; big fluffy needles. There were so many crystals the solution turned to a muddy paste. I then told my friend to add the rest of the everclear, because I suspected some NaOH would recrystalize in the G, and I wanted to dissolve as much NaOH as I could before we filtered. So we added the rest of the EtOH and stirred the solution to break up the clumps of beautiful fluffy crystal. Then we gravity filtered (to anyone thinking of doing this- its very tedious- find another way. After all the filtering we had maybe 500ml of supernatent (tops), and some very soggy white stuff (eww).

So like the geniuses we are, we put the paste (coffee filters and all) in the oven to dry (at 200F). We started stinking up the public kitchen (and hallways) with the smell of everclear (RAs would definatly pounce on such an aroma, thinking they were catching some drinkers). Also the oven was pretty dirty, those fumes didnt help either. When we opened the oven, some of the big chunks had golden brown edges, wierd crystals had formed on the sheet itself (NaOH?), and there was some everclear on the tray also. Then we decided to abandon the kitchen, take the tray to our rooms, and resort to aternate drying methods. So its sitting under a halogen lamp on a heating pad as we speak.

So my questions are as follows:
1. There are some very tiny needles, but I see a lot of tiny flat surfaces (ionicly bonded crystals?). Is my G severly contaminated with NaOH?
2. If it does have a lot of NaOH, whet it combines with stomach acid (HCl), wouldnt it just form dissolved table salt and water? (yes, no prob) But if one dose contains too much NaOH, it could have a drastic effect on my stomachs pH (make me sick). To the best of my knowledge, stomach acid is only like 1.5 M. Wouldnt changing the pH in my stomach to like 8 or 9 be extremely terrible? Is such an occuance possible (with one gram of the stuff)?

I cant think of anymore questions right now, but I'd appreciate any advice as soon as possible, cuz we plan on testing it out tonight. Thanks you ohh so dear bees

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Takkimitsu:)


 
placebo
Hive Bee   posted 02-08-2000 03:56 AM           
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Takkiwhatsu! Firstly I would like to say that after reading a lot of your posts in the past, I had assumed you were a little more intelligent than some, because I like your inquisitive nature and you like learning!
BUT! What the fuck is this little story of monumental stupidity that you share with us?
What kind of response did you expect?
Please take this as constructive criticism and learn from this experience. I am not flaming, but my tone is required due to the nature of your post!

Ok, so my tip is, I always do another method that does not require the use of EtOH,(why you wanna waste some good shit anyway) and only uses DH2O and NaOH and GBL, then use as is or evap. the water slowly for powder!
But not necessary as I and others usually water down 5-1 to make dosage easier and less prone to OD!
I can't remember where I got the synth but it is in these halls somewhere.

Yes wrong PH will make you ill, and from my experience slightly changes the effect!

Checking and adjusting PH is absolutely necessary, 7-8,

OK from memory:
200mLs GBL
103gms NaOH
160mLs DH2O

Heat GBL with 5mLs water to 100.C
In another beaker Dissolve NaOH in 160mLs DH2O
Take off heat, rxn will be enough heat
Very slowly add NaOH water to GBL (careful it will boil over)
Add 90% of water then check PH, adjust as necessary!
Thats it, carefully boil down and then finish in low oven, or water down 5-1 for safety, and dont leave it in the fridge for someone to accidently drink as water!

Its really god damn fuckin easy!
Kindergarten kids do these synths for homework!
Now dont let me hear any stories like that again!

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I'm an asshole, woh hoh!
I'm an asshole, woh hoh!




 
takkimitsu
Hive Bee   posted 02-08-2000 11:38 AM           
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Thanks Placebo, but I have a question with regards to your method. After I add water and adjust pH, you say i have the option of evaporating to get crystals. Wont these crystals have NaOH crystals in them also (from exess reagent)? If I used HCl to corret pH, wouldnt my product have massive amounts of table salt filler?
Very good constructive critisism, no offense taken  Three of us weighed 1.8g of the shit, put it in capsules and tested it out. In preperation for the large percentage of NaOH, we all drank a glass of water followed by some orange juice. After 45 with no noticable effect, we each took another .8g. I felt a slight relaxation effect, but this might have been because I had been up for 22hrs or so. The others noticed a bit of relaxation also, so we took another .8g. Over all, there was no drastic effect. So Im thinking a lage percentage of the stuff is just lye. Im going to test the melting point right now. NaOH melts a 318C, if anything melts before that, it should be G; this might provide a bit more knowledge.

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Takkimitsu:)


 
Osmium
PimpBee   posted 02-08-2000 12:04 PM           
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Shit no! Test the pH of your product! If it is very basic, add more lactone, if it is around 8 or 9 it is ok, if it is neutral add a little bit more NaOH. Do all this in aq. solution, with good stirring, dilute the resulting solution to your favorite concentration (e.g. 0.5g/ml) and consume it that way. Much easier. Use the search engine, me and others have posted this several times.
 
takkimitsu
Hive Bee   posted 02-08-2000 03:59 PM           
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Okay, I get it now.
One more thing: is the lactone + NaOH --> GHB a very slow reaction? I know you said with good stirring Os, if its really slow how long should it stir? I suppose I could just take my time.

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Takkimitsu:)


 
Dick Fitzbetter
Hive Bee   posted 02-08-2000 05:27 PM           
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No, not slow at all. As soon as you start adding the dissolved NaOH, it pretty much reacts immediately, escpecially if you heat up your lactone before you make the addition. Add NaOH slowly, or it'll splatter all over the place! Check pH. Too basic, add more lactone like Os said. Then boil the whole mess for awhile, after the initial reaction, just to make sure it went all the way.
Check out the Chem-R-Us method listed on Rhode's page. It's basically the same as what placebo says above. Always works, easier than making brownies. No need for EtOH.

 
Osmium
PimpBee   posted 02-09-2000 05:32 AM           
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I my experiments I prepared a pretty concentrated NaOH (no, usually it is KOH) solution in a glass beaker. To the still warm (~80°C) base solution lactone is slowly added in small increments. The reaction will heat up more, keep it below 100°C. The lactone will form a seperate layer, it is not completely soluble in the water layer because of the salting out effect of the NaOH. Stirring is done with the thermometer. When the temp climbs too high stop stirring, and the reaction will calm down. No need for cooling, take your time. When all the lactone is added and dissolved and the reaction is finished check pH and adjust. Let it cool down, fill in a bottle and check taste and pH again the next day. Adjust accordingly and dilute the bottle contents with water to the required concentration. Serve cool, with some saccharin (coffee sweetener tabs predissolved in some water), and chase with coke. Yummy.
Oh yeah: KOH is usually 85%, you have to take this into consideration when using it.

 
Xaja
Hive Bee   posted 02-09-2000 06:58 PM           
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OK, this is what not to do:
Add all of lactone to NaOH solution that has cooled to ~50 degrees celcius. Forms seperate layer on top. Heat until rxn occurs. Half of your product is now all thru kitchen and on ceiling.

Second mistake: rushing process, so adjusted pH with HCl. Product now tastes absolutely disgusting.

But live and learn. Next time will be much better, and unlike first meth synth at least there is a product at all.


 
takkimitsu
Hive Bee   posted 02-09-2000 10:13 PM           
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Okay.. heres the second go around (using 60g NaOH (1.5mols) and 120ml lactone (a bit > 1.5 moles).. we dissolved NaOH in water (slowly). I dont know the temp of the solution when we added the lactone, but it was cool (it had been disolving for a while). Now there is two layers: lactone on top.. and it wont disolve very well.
Im thinking right now.. we should heat it.. the lactone will disolve better and the reaction will proceed.

Question: assuming the reaction goes, I can evaporate water, collect crystals, cap'em and take'em right?

Please respond as soon as possible, I will really apreciate it.. thanks bees

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Takkimitsu:)


 
takkimitsu
Hive Bee   posted 02-10-2000 12:43 AM           
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Okay.. second attempt is compleated and has failed. Im reluctant to post the details of tonights experment, knowing I will be flamed ruthlessly. I have probably discraced the hive with such antics. The jist of it: the pyrex dish in which we were consentraiting the solution exploded! (kinda).
The lactone appeared to be dissolved in the water; rxn complete right. So we put the pyrex dish on an electric burner to consentraite (we wanted crystals). After the volume of solution was signifigantly decreased, I took it off the burner to cool; I wanted to see if anything crystalized. Well, the solution was bubbling like mad on the cool burner, and all of a sudden, while I was standing about a yard away, the dish shattered (VIOLENTLY!!!!!). I was okay (divine intervention?). I went downstairs to go get my partner. Upon our return we found needles all over the broken shards of glass. I took a sample to do an mp test tomorrow, but these crystals are totally different than the crap we made on our previous attempt. Hydroscopic, dark off white, big fucking needles.

Although this was a massive failure, we did complete the rxn. The methods you guys posted above were much cleaner and much easier than the EtOH method. Stainless steel next time maybe?

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Takkimitsu:)


 
placebo
Hive Bee   posted 02-10-2000 01:26 AM           
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Giddy up Takki!
You got it man, you also learned never put pyrex direct on heating elements (read warranty) otherwise beautiful!
yes, I always make it in stainless pot. others might disagree but I've never had problem!

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Can't come up with funny signature right now! OK!

 
Chromic
Hive Bee   posted 02-10-2000 02:03 AM           
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Use enamel. I've no idea why everyone loves Pyrex. It breaks quite easily. Stainless steel can stain. I've stained my sink a number of times with conc. HCl.
 
Amanita
Hive Bee   posted 02-10-2000 04:27 AM           
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Takki- Follow chems'r'us synthesis on rhodiums page.....uses water, and absolutely foolproof for crystals or liquid.....or so i've heard
 
Osmium
PimpBee   posted 02-10-2000 06:05 AM           
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Why do you want crystals? Make some liquid first. At least you will be supplied with enough material to help you over the next few days.
 
Jordan Caldwell
Hive Bee   posted 02-10-2000 10:53 AM           
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From my experience, liquid is definetly the way to go. In a powdered form in gelcaps, it takes too long for the G to hit you so you don't get as good of an effect.
 
takkimitsu
Hive Bee   posted 02-10-2000 12:32 PM           
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We wanted crystals because thier easier to handle; theyre just more convinient. I havnt done the mp test yet, but i feel like the third time's the charm
thanks again bees

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Takkimitsu:)


 
Arthur Bach
Hive Bee   posted 02-10-2000 12:53 PM           
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This is so simple, I have done it so many times I could do it with my eyes closed.
1000ml GBL
700ml Distilled water
450g NaOH

Disolve NaOH into water, pour GBL into solution, heat until wax forms on surface, let cool and you will have your crystals.

Peace...AB

OBTW, your PH should be a perfect 7.8 with these amounts.

 
takkimitsu
Hive Bee   posted 02-11-2000 02:54 AM           
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Okay.. third attempt is compleate, and is SUCSESSFUL!!
The method was basically the same as the second attempt: GBL + NaOH in water. We were going to wait until tomorrow when we could test the pH with some litmus stolen from the org chem labs, then we would test it out. We tested pH with some the pH paper we had (3.5-5.5), and it showed the same color as spit, so we decided to go for it tonight. We figured about 150g per 500mls, which means 1.5-2g per teaspoon. Ive taken 1.66 evian capfuls so far, over 1.5 hours; and if it isnt apperent by my writing, im pretty faced right now.

thanks for the help bees

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Takkimitsu:)


 
placebo
Hive Bee   posted 02-11-2000 04:38 AM           
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AB, like your way man, you have turned an already foolproof (so I thought) method into an even easier one, as if it were possible!
the other one from chms r us is always too basic, even though it purports to be calculated molarly!
Good work AB!thanks!
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Can't come up with funny signature right now! OK!

 
Dick Fitzbetter
Hive Bee   posted 02-11-2000 01:42 PM           
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Funny, that C-r-Us method always comes out a little too basic for me too... So what I do now is increase the recommended GBL amount by ~2g, and decrease NaOH by ~2g. This gives a post-rxn pH of 7-8 every time.


Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    hey_man
(Pimp Master)
06-05-00 05:57
No 13812
User Picture  		      Re: In the mail....     

Well, this is going to be an ugly mess to have to deal with.

Do we have any kind of thoughts or input as to how we plan on going about this. Now's going to be as good of a time as any since we put the old forum back up and the whiney bastards are already busy looking for something new to whine about.

Are we going to just close it, completely kill it and all signs of it or just close it and go through it all and edit the piss out of it?

Also what about slappy, do we have another forum to transfer him over to, does he even want to transfer over to another forum? 		 
 
 
 
    Penis_Seinfeld
(Stranger)
06-05-00 09:23
No 13859
User Picture  		      Re: Yes, i believe in MDP2Pol     

This always gets left out of P2Pol conversations.  Bright Star synthed some MDP2Pol.  He did NMR (I think) and confirmed that it was indeed formed.  He kept a vial full of it in his pocket for (most of) one day (mild heat).  ~24 hrs later it was all MDP1Pol.

This is not 100% accurate.  My point is that BS said that MDP2Pol was made, but that it degraded to the P1Pol extemely quickly.  W/in 24 hours.  It's in the serious forum of the old board, if you want to check.

What is needed is a *gentle*, room temp or less oxidation.  Heating is absolutely out of the question.  Room temp chromic acid comes to mind.  I remember doing this in OChem 1.  Slow and tedious, but it worked @ 95% and its damned simple.  I would love to try a few cold oxidations out, but I value my freedom too much.

PS
--
Head Lycaeum Monkey Pic Poster and Assistant Lycaeum Monkey Rapist 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-05-00 09:45
No 13870
User Picture  		      Re: NaGHB -> GHB?     

That doesn't make any sense. Acidifying NaGHB produces gamma-hydroxybutyric acid which quickly transforms itself into GBL (there is an equilibrium between the two substances in solution). You cannot isolate pure gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, only the Na (or K) salt or lactone.
Forget about all that NaGHB, use the lactone instead. It tastes better than NaGHB when dissolved in some beer or coke or OJ, and the effects are just the same for me. An added bonus is that you don't have to worry about the Na intake. 		 
 
 
 
    Satan
(Stranger)
06-05-00 10:46
No 13888
User Picture  		      Re: H2SO4 addition of H2O to alkenes     

ive been really interested in this reaction because, if it works, it is a really quick and OTC way of turning an alkene into an alcohol which can be oxidised to a ketone. No solvent is used, concentrated sulfuric acid is dripped into the alkene as cold as possible to prevent polymerisation.  The product formed is very clean and the ketone can usually be obtained clean enough to go straight into the next reaction.  I am asking about this because some bees have posted saying how good it is and that the final amine is active but a lot of bees have not been able to get an active product out of it.  Apparently Bright Star paid a professional lab to analyse the reaction and they reported that the 2ol forms but rearranges to the 1ol.  I think this reaction will work but some factors fuck it up. The acid and alkene should be as cold as possible, the concentration of the acid will have to be determined by experiment but most bees used 80-90%  The acid should probably be diluted with ice cold water added dropwise or maybe ice cubes would be a better idea. The alcohol should be separated and oxidised as cold as possible immediately. These steps should ensure the alcohol doesnt migrate to the 1ol. 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 12:47
No 13911
User Picture  		      Re: mdma....will it last?     

Hypothetically...
Freebase is the most unstable form...I'm told
If there is a limited storage time for a hydrochloride then it is of the order of years not months at room temperature

every thing [green]is [purple]relative[/green][/purple] 		 
 
 
 
    ZingoBingo
(Stranger)
06-05-00 13:10
No 13916
User Picture  		      Re: small or large dreams?     

6 months and a day... got sidetracked with the dwarferoneshotpvcephedrabutaneextractiondevice... 		 
 
 
 
    burntkrizpy
(Stranger)
06-05-00 14:18
No 13933
User Picture  		      Re: sodium cyanoborohydride     

why would you waste your time in here just to talk shit haswaste 		 
 
 
 
    Stonium
(Moderator)
06-05-00 15:26
No 13945
User Picture  		      Re: Bright Star's Vacation     

So how come BS gets a vacation already when he hasn't even worked here a year yet, hmm hey_man?

I'll bet it's a sexist thing. Pffft! Men!

Oh yes...and good morning to all ya'll too...smile 		 
 
 
 
    L8er
(Newbee)
06-05-00 16:18
No 13965
User Picture  		      Re: Can I put in too much RP     

Listen to LARGEMAN he is 100% correct. And at best you would burn up much product.

L8er "UH" 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 17:45
No 13994
User Picture  		      Re: It is forbidden to post sources in this forum!     

Finally!

Chief bee has slammed his fist on the table, bees. So everyone get his fucking act together.
A lot of bees have already declared that supplier info is not made public ANYmore, so show
you're devoted to the HIVE!

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Newbee)
06-05-00 18:17
No 13999
User Picture  		      Re: Red Rocks...opium???     

Fuck red rock opium!  It's bullshit.  I've smoked shitloads of the stuff and never got a buzz.  The people that do feel it are feeling a placebo.  Yea, I think it might be incense too.  It'll coat your teeth with red powder.  Nasty... 		 
 
 
 
    Anglo_Chic
(Stranger)
06-05-00 19:15
No 14019
User Picture  		      Re: MM writeups of MeOH benzo wacker and MeNO2-Al-Hg     

MM, Thank you for the write-ups.
 They will help a lot of people out including myself 		 
 
 
 
    CRANKENSTIEN
(Newbee)
06-05-00 20:20
No 14055
User Picture  		      Re: Nazi method     

Speedy, go blow your self away,  dumbass 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 20:26
No 14057
User Picture  		      Re: Why gassing?     

You get the same result with both processes. However, with the dilute HCl solution you're going to have your .HCl salt in a water solution that is going to have to be evapped afterwards.

If you can handle gassing you won't have to evap any water. All you'll have to do is filter and prehaps wash... Thus not requiring as much time to get your desired salt.



"UH"
-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Euphorium_727
(Stranger)
06-05-00 20:32
No 14061
User Picture  		      Re: The Castner Sodium Process     

It was so here in Sweden also until mid eighties.
Now it is very difficult for a private person(individual)
to get permission to buy sodium.
But it is legal to be in possession of.


Sincerely Euphorium_727 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 20:32
No 14062
User Picture  		      Re: Its REALLY HOT here     

Make some friends.....

"UH"
-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    hey_man
(Pimp Master)
06-05-00 20:33
No 14064
User Picture  		      Re: Article on speed labs in Australia     

Make sure your cookies are set to prompt at that site and you deny them, their using an equivelant to doubleclick.com to track you around... http://www.imrworldwide.com/rs/index.html 		 
 
 
 
    Stonium
(Moderator)
06-05-00 20:33
No 14065
User Picture  		      Re: It is forbidden to post sources in this forum!     

Chief bee has slammed his fist on the table, bees. So everyone get his fucking act together. A lot of bees have already declared that supplier info is not made public ANYmore, so show you're devoted to the HIVE!

Yeah, really. If not, it'll just next-step over to the only other option available: "Throw-Away"

Don't want that, don't think. So it is bee good or bee gone, I guess.

Good call, phaidon.

Kiss/Kiss/Everybeedy,
Stonium

 
 
 
 
    MethGn0me
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 21:05
No 14077
User Picture  		      Post deleted by MethGn0me     

 
 
 
 
    phototrope
(Stranger)
06-05-00 21:16
No 14081
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA and SSRIs (paroxetine)     

I suffer very wierd emotional swings when quitting paxil cold turkey. I'm worse than a manic-depressive woman during her period.

This too has been my problem. I have only done MDMA about 6 times, and 3 of the experiences were simply not the full thing. I could feel the inklings of the emotional clarity that comes, but it wasn't quite at full throttle.

This is actially one of the big reasons why I dream about synthesis in the first place. To titrate myself with a neurologically safe (relatively speaking), yet satisfying dose. I don't want ot eat 5 pills and wreak synaptic damage all over my brain, but I want a full-blown MDMA experience.
You can never tell with the fucking black market. God, if people believed in selling an honest product... 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Hive Bee)
06-05-00 21:30
No 14084
User Picture  		      Re: newbie shortcuts     

Well Granny it all depends on tha binders in tha pill. Some are soluable in alcohol and not water, some are soluable in water and not alcohol. My suggestion would be to check worlocks site and follow Methheads directions if you don't want to A/B.
LARGEMAN
cool

"UH"
LARGEMAN 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
06-05-00 21:32
No 14085
User Picture  		      Re: In the mail....     

Just so ya'll know...
I'm in complete agreement with Osmium.  A stearn warning .... and sensure if need be.

2ndly ... I need some help in the Newbie forum.   Its too much for me at the moment.
I still drop by everyday, but I only have time to respond to 5 or so posts ... not including
my private email ... Anyway, a Co-moderator would be nice.   And unfortunately, I have
no suggestions.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-05-00 21:53
No 14091
User Picture  		      Re: Expert advice sites become latest fad...     

I demand stock options for payment from now on. Look at all the dot.coms, every assistant to the assistant is a millionaire in that business. Fuck cooking drugs, I want to be able to buy only the finest drugs and never touch a test tube again in my life. 		 
 
 
 
    sassy_sucker
(Stranger)
06-05-00 22:01
No 14093
User Picture  		      Re: MM writeups of MeOH benzo wacker and MeNO2-Al-Hg     

What is MeNO2?  I found some web sites that stated it was used as an octace increaser.  Is this correct?  Any major OTC brands? (NOT SOURCES!!! and not small brands PLEASE!!!) 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Stranger)
06-06-00 00:22
No 14138
User Picture  		      Post deleted by akafryguy     

 
 
 
 
    Krypto
(Newbee)
06-06-00 00:43
No 14146
User Picture  		      Re: would this lsd synth work?     

Sounds alright.
I didn't really mean any I meant mainly the commonly used inert gasses like Ar, He, etc...

Kr 		 
 
 
 
    sassy_sucker
(Stranger)
06-06-00 01:40
No 14168
User Picture  		      Re: Its REALLY HOT here     

Try the bar... 		 
 
 
 
    super_bee
(Newbee)
06-06-00 02:01
No 14183
User Picture  		      Re: Freon R-22     

all I know is that r-12 is used in auto A/C and that r-22 is used in home ac and in refridgerators and freezors depending on where you live you can go to  mexico to geet cheap r-12 then transfer it to a big r-22 or even better a 134 a container and bring it home

MOPAR OR NO CAR!!! 		 
 
 
 
    SonDevil2000
(Stranger)
06-06-00 02:58
No 14213
User Picture  		      Re: bone ash     

I'm Serious about this cow bone thing!!
I'm sorry if your a vedgitarian or  something,(i'll only use bones that are going to bee thrown out,No animal will be killed intintionaly for these bones)So?????Someone must have the old cow bone/Redp trick down from the old days or something!! 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Newbee)
06-06-00 03:19
No 14227
User Picture  		      Re: smokin' diazapam?     

One question: why?

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 07:01
No 14306
User Picture  		      Re: smokin' diazapam?     

If I were to try, I would consider some kind of extraction first. I wouldn't want to smoke a pill with all that shit they put in them. Can't answer your question, though. Try a solvent extraction then smoke it off foil.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 08:29
No 14331
User Picture  		      Re: Can I put in too much RP     

I think you could choke out the RXN with too
much RP, moving from stage 1 to 2 will be a guess. if you got shitty RP that means theres crap mixed with this, making 3 times the dirt in the flask along with the little bit ready to react
Flask Fires from dirt mixed with RP I've never seen, Its usualy wet I2 from tink. that starts shit going wrong, another poorly treated reagent typical with these kind of questians. If you take your time to clean & purafie your RP, React it  w/I2 & h202, before hand, this will give an insite on whats going to happen in the flask. Its called precharging, A must whin rerunning RP. Generaly MBRP reacts better on the second RXN anyhow. ____you got this far____ take the extra time to ensure the best you can, with what you got. Its important when useing these type of reagents to refine them as best you can, sence
it's like having a hand tyed behind you back to start with.
 30g E 35g I2 (dry,Tink) 25g MBRP (Cleaned prop)
Master MB's and dont bitch about the work, your shit will be as good as anyones.


The end result is directly conected to the effort applyed. "UH" Cave man Jacked "UH" 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 10:15
No 14361
User Picture  		      Re: where to get chorloform     

Its not illegal, but it's not something suppliers sell to the general public. If you have to ask what it used for, than how do you know you'll need some?

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 12:21
No 14377
User Picture  		      Re: Cocaine HCl     

I believe it is in the order of 1 tonne of coca leaves per kilogram of coke. I doubt your figures on heroin. One poppy, when the sack is cut, yields quite a few drops of raw opium which is predominantly morphine. This is reacted with acetic anhydride to get smack.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 12:26
No 14379
User Picture  		      Re: potassium     

Maybe you could drop a chunk down a public loo just as you're about to flush it. Probably act as a cherry bomb.
If Li and Na can be used for birch reductions, why cannot K? Fucked if I know. If everything was anhydrous, I can't see why it couldn't. Then again, better ask CHEM_GUY.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
06-06-00 14:00
No 14395
User Picture  		      Re: Expert advice sites become latest fad...     

Stock Options!
Time Share's on Hive Island!
Company Cars!
4 weeks vacation!
Paid Vacations!

OBTW, when DO we get paid?


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    bugsbunny
(Stranger)
06-06-00 15:10
No 14413
User Picture  		      Re: amphetamine synthesis     

I'll jump on the bandwagon...hence, to any and all drug enforcement, DEA, or the like...FUCK YOU (and your little dog too)  How can you sleep at night knowing the only reason you are a cop is because you were tormented in school, people picked on you, and now that you have a badge and a gun...people have to listen to you and respect you, right??? I am sure you are going to put your life on the line for about $1200/month and hope some cracked out individual doesn't shoot you for target practice...  Glad rabbits don't have to adhere to the same laws because I say     FUCK THE 5-0 		 
 
 
 
    apis
(Stranger)
06-06-00 16:46
No 14426
User Picture  		      Re: what is the problem with this tryptophan?     

Man and horse will now try cyclohexanol and not DMSO, like they were planning to try next.  Thank you & Howdy 		 
 
 
 
    MaDMAx
(Newbee)
06-06-00 19:15
No 14477
User Picture  		      Re: crystallization by gas trouble, please help!     

I had the exact same problem 2 days ago. I was trying to crystallize from toluene and got nothing. I know the reaction worked because I could smell the methylamine produced (from Methyl Man's version of the Al/Hg with nitromethane). The toluene started out kinda yellow and gradually turned reddish. If anyone out there has any idea what our problem is please respond. 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 19:28
No 14480
User Picture  		      myristicin solubility     

Antibody wonders whether myristicin or parsnip oil is soluble in water. Does the distilate need to be extracted with solvent? Antibody also wonders what concentration of oil might be expected when steam distilling parsnip root.

All tales of steam distillation of vegetable roots etc that antibody has read call for driied vegetable material. Why, if it is just going to be tossed back in boiling water, would it be neccesary to dry? Antibody feels he is missing something here.

Antibody can only repeat what antibody has gleaned from used condom wrappers! 		 
 
 
 
    hest
(Stranger)
06-06-00 19:31
No 14482
User Picture  		      Re: crystallization by gas trouble, please help!     

The solvent has to bee dry
many hydroclorides are sol. in dichlormethan, use ether instead.
Try to disolve HCl gas in ether and then dry the ether.
Ad the dry HCl/ether to a solution off the amin disolved in ether until pH 5 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 20:03
No 14487
User Picture  		      Re: Best route to 5meo-Dipt is?     

psyloxy,

I presume (correct me if necessary) that 5-MeO-tryptophol is not readily available, is it?

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Mr_Smith
(Stranger)
06-06-00 21:22
No 14508
User Picture  		      Re: where to get chorloform     

I read the following on a bathroom wall once.  It seems to relate to chloroform:

"Chloroform CHCl3 is an industrial solvent. It can be rather easily manufactured by the haloform reaction. Acetone, water, and Ca(ClO)2 is a good way to go.  Be warned that this reaction is exothermic. One should distill and wash the product with dH2O. Chloroform is carcinogenic and hepatotoxic, and inhalation might result in a flickering of consciousness, similar to nitrous oxide in effect, leading to complete "white-out" or loss of consciousness. Upon regaining consciousness, extreme hangover, nausia, and dizziness should be expected. Chloroform is also and excellent defatting agent, and will "burn", crack and blister the skin if it comes in contact with it, (for example, your nose, should you dare to inhale it.)  All in all, one should respect this compound, and use as little of it as possible."

Wow, I guess one day he's huffin' chloroform, and the next he's writing stuff like that on men's room walls.  Pretty scary, huh? 		 
 
 
 
    SammydaBull
(Stranger)
06-06-00 21:26
No 14511
User Picture  		      Re: Formamide synth.     

I did a search and couldn't find an answer so I guess I'll ask.Can anybee tell old Sammy where to find this otc source for ammonium formate?If you don't want to post it could you please send a message to me? Thanks....Sammy 		 
 
 
 
    Charles
(Newbee)
06-06-00 22:06
No 14530
User Picture  		      Re: -What is 'Special K' ???     

Isnt that some kind of cereal?? kellogs made with oats and rice?? 		 
 
 
 
    Barracuda1965
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 22:27
No 14537
User Picture  		      Re: Library     

Pick me up one of those sticky buns and a large coffee with cream while you're out.


Your friendly Rat Bastard 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-06-00 22:37
No 14540
User Picture  		      Re: Salvias     

the four salvias that swim knows about are splendens, leucantha, coccinea, and divinorum in order of increasing strength- so if you're in good times with the splendens....
have fun and...
good lunch 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 00:02
No 14579
User Picture  		      Re: NH3/LI ratios     

check CHEM_GUY's posts in the old forum. He gives the correct molar ratios.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    bennie
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 02:06
No 14633
User Picture  		      Re: Pull 29" Hg For $25 or less..     

also,if you have air lines...for those of us who know of people who have shops.. a simple venturi unit will work wonders...12 bucks from harbor freit..it may even work with the frige pump as I would rather use the output in a venturi fashion  as using the input line can/will burn em out...just a note since this is an old-time used concept...been around longer than me and that's along time! 		 
 
 
 
    tao
(Newbee)
06-07-00 02:57
No 14658
User Picture  		      Re: Posting Sources     

scarmani i agree with you. i haven't purchased it yet myself but i do believe 'sources' should be a good place to start. it's a book you can get from any major distributor. i have found that a lot of bees on here are quite helpful if you speak to them privately. 		 
 
 
 
    deltaT
(Newbee)
06-07-00 05:00
No 14695
User Picture  		      Re: Another Al/Hg question     

Hey!

Can any bees help? I still really need to know, will the honey degrade if I distill the alcoholic solvent at thier atmospheric boiling point (without vacuum) after the amalgam reduction????

Pleasee,please,please,
DeltaT 		 
 
 
 
    Anglo_Chic
(Newbee)
06-07-00 05:09
No 14699
User Picture  		      Re: Pull 29" Hg For $25 or less..     

What is a "venturi unit"?
How do you use it for vacuum? 		 
 
 
 
    sassy_sucker
(Stranger)
06-07-00 05:28
No 14704
User Picture  		      Re: any problems with this approach?     

As long as the items are not listed than there should not be any problem.  Non-listed chemicals are completely legal to posesses and trade.

Anyways, the heat would probably wind up falling on the buyer if there were heat to fall.  He wouldn't have the chemicals anymore.  Got it? 		 
 
 
 
    hysteria
(Stranger)
06-07-00 05:53
No 14711
User Picture  		      Re: instead of drugs in pill form     

it's funny.. but hollowing out the inside of a pack of gum actually works quite well for 4 tabs, or teener... heh

/-/ysteria ------------ 		 
 
 
 
    Skink
(Newbee)
06-07-00 06:22
No 14730
User Picture  		      Re: Salvias     

A few years back on E-dot, people were trying every salvia in the book to see if it had some kind of active in it.  Most were uneventful, except for certain people.  Some others besides splendens, divinorum, coccinea, and leucantha, are prenia, argentia (?), and superba.  I also think that there is something many are overlooking with diterpenoids, which are the purported actives in these plants.  These molecules closely resemble the structures to many of our favorites (ie LSD and THC) with minor differences in carbon #s (diterpenes are normally 20 carbons).  Because of the multiple ring systems, these molecules are usually lipophilic and can therefore cause psychoactive effects at a much lower dosage range, providing a potential substrate to design some new recreationals.  I remember reading of someone freebasing some forskolin, which is a diterpene from a Coleus plant (close relative of Salvia), which was claimed to be active, reminicent of S. splendens.  It's a shame that the synthesis, or even structural interpretations, of these compounds is so difficult.  Way beyond the abilities of someone without a lab and lots of time and money...  One can always speculate, though. 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 06:28
No 14732
User Picture  		      Re: Another Al/Hg question     

Your might try a little of it, crystalize and see what happens - if it fails, your not out anything but a little yield and a little time.

Also, you might try posting on the NewBee forum. The pimps may peruse that area more often.

Good luck. 		 
 
 
 
    doobee
(Stranger)
06-07-00 06:39
No 14735
User Picture  		      Re: Electro Question     

Anyone?
I would assume the base(why have HCl floating around in the reaction?) but I assume it would form the acetate when the acetic acid was added, so more acid might be needed.
HELP! 		 
 
 
 
    tao
(Newbee)
06-07-00 07:51
No 14767
User Picture  		      Re: Pull 29" Hg For $25 or less..     

it connects to the output of the refridgerator pump. it is not electronic but mechanical (i.e. it does not require power for itself) as far as i know. but honestly don't ask me ask someone else who has used one. i tried searching on ebay for one because i had seen one on their before but this is the only thing i could find http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=346422024. that's the way to go though, you figure a refigerator pump and a venturi device for ~ $50 then you're set. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-07-00 11:04
No 14836
User Picture  		      Re: Adrenochrome     

On my page there is a synth which oxidizes adrenaline with silver oxide (which can be made from silver nitrate and sodium hydroxide).

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    foxy
(Stranger)
06-07-00 11:34
No 14847
User Picture  		      Re: Posting Sources     

yea don't post sources, but thanks to those who helped me out :)

i AGREE SECRECY IS THE BEST WEAPON, OR WAS THAT A BIG ASS GUN, WELL I FORGET

ALSO IM COUNTIN ON ALL YOU BEE'S TO GET OUT AND VOTE, SUPPORT FREEDOM AT EVERY TURN, CAUSE IT WILL BE GONE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 12:01
No 14853
User Picture  		      Re: HELP!!!     

Synthman I have a quick ? for you say someone was doing a A/B and after you add the lye to it in the sep there is two layers right, the top which is the naptha and bottom lye what is the stuff floating around that settles right under the fuel. Do you remove it?

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-07-00 14:15
No 14906
User Picture  		      Re: myristicin solubility     

Of course they are not soluble in water.
The reason that the herbs are dried is storability, you can't expect to distill usable oil from decomposing plant matter.
Another point is that oil content is usually determined on dried material. Since most plants are up to 90% or more water (the green parts, not the wood of course), you won't get lots of oil from fresh material.
Are you sure it is correct to distill the roots for the oils you want? Not the leaves, or seeds?

Osmi-"UH"-m 		 
 
 
 
    x_morph
(Stranger)
06-07-00 14:22
No 14909
User Picture  		      Re: Is this hopeless for a non-chemist?     

Synthman - scram wasn't flaming at all.  You misunderstood. 		 
 
 
 
    SooBee
(Stranger)
06-07-00 15:39
No 14930
User Picture  		      Re: Is this hopeless for a non-chemist?     

liberal arts grad / no chem experience here too! (aka "I fell for the same bullshit!"  they fooled me too)  Been reading for a few months tho.  Have a lot more to do.  Being unemployed (why didn't I go to tech school??) has helped free up a lot of time for reading, fo sho

Going to make one suggestion:  start taking notes, print, whatever works for you, and ORGANIZE ORGANIZE ORGANIZE yer info.    (no offense to hive structure of course -- just so much here on so many different topics.  )

Now NWIM has tasted home made honey, so can't comment, but hey there is some fun reading here -- its just so much less overwhelming when you use a way that makes sense to YOU to filter out everything that doesn't have to do with the topic(s) that you are really interested in.  Am i still in the knitting room?

Recall your final college research project -- (If you are anywhere as old as me, recall the thousands of fucking index cards you organized yer information on).  Assuming you completed your paper, recall the one moment that the info you gathered finally all fell together and made sense -- there was the intro, body, conclusion, etc.  And a couple of notecards in the trash, too. 

blah blah blah just my thoughts

SooBee 		 
 
 
 
    PoohBear
(Stranger)
06-07-00 15:58
No 14935
User Picture  		      Re: Where does one begin?     

Guess I began this thread with too many questions.

To maybe simplify this:

1) How/Why are people blown up in their meth dreams?

2) What's the best way to build fume hood?

3) Alternative method than gassing with Birch Method?

I think I'll have to dream a little bit myself to answer many of my questions. Would just like to start out on the right foot.

"Bears love honey - and I'm a POOH BEAR!" 		 
 
 
 
    less
(Newbee)
06-07-00 16:15
No 14937
User Picture  		      Re: arr fuck i need help     

U+nob+tain+i&um=smartass 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
06-07-00 16:21
No 14938
User Picture  		      Re: MeOH     

If you seal it in a mason jar ... they'll be good for a while ... say 6 months or so. 
But to regenerate those, you just repeat the procedure ... 


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Gbo
(Stranger)
06-07-00 16:27
No 14940
User Picture  		      Re: EDA/LITH. questions     

Just to make things a bit clearer about the batts.  Most rechargeable lithium batteries are Li-ion, which means they probably have a carbon anode, not lithium. 

Except the old Cr2025 batteries you find on motherboards of old PCs for CMOS, so if you have a large supply of those you are sussed,(at around 200-300mg per battery, I mean large).

Otherwise, stick with the AA Energisers. 		 
 
 
 
    sassy_sucker
(Newbee)
06-07-00 17:24
No 14949
User Picture  		      Re: Pull 29" Hg For $25 or less..     

Refer to a thread called Vacuum Pump in Acquisition.  You're correct that its oil.  Some friendly bee answered my concerns about it.  Chekitout. 		 
 
 
 
    sassy_sucker
(Newbee)
06-07-00 17:26
No 14951
User Picture  		      Re: MDP2P ? Whats is stand for?     

Also known as ketone, right? 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 19:01
No 14975
User Picture  		      Re: myristicin solubility     

The reason antibody asks about solubility is he remembered reading about a cartoon character (Daffy he thinks) that triied to steam distill with both internal an external steam and initially had a very cloudy distilate with no two layers. But as there was a buttload of water and it was only 0.5kg of totally macerated fresh material Daffy thought that even if myrysticin was only ever so slightly soluble in water there was eneough water to consume the meager yield.

When Daffy read kubrics survival manual there were references to either salting out the product or extracting with solvent.
Although everything was cleaned up by that point, it being more of an experiment than anything else.

Antibody has no idea if Daffy was sure about distilling the roots, but the link above fer sure refers to parnsnip roots.
If it requires the stems or seed that a whole different ball o wax .

If Antibody understandes O correctly it doesn’t matter that fresh material be used. Just don’t expect yields based on dry starting material?

Antibody can only repeat what antibody has gleaned from used condom wrappers! 		 
 
 
 
    phototrope
(Newbee)
06-07-00 19:11
No 14979
User Picture  		      Re: MDP2P ? Whats is stand for?     

Yes, it is one of many ketones. 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 20:46
No 15011
User Picture  		      Re: Great source - read b4 flaming!     

They may not inventory the stuff, but east indians are one of the fiercest tribes of wheeler dealers a bee is ever likely to come across! If they think they can make abuck getting something for you, you can be VERY sure they will go to bat.

There is a indian grocery near where antibody plays, just last week  antibody asked if they could get betel nuts, (which by the way are are illegal where antibody plays) "Yes Sir, how much vould you like, Sir", "Betel Nut Essential Oil Sir? Let me see Sir. Thank you very much Sir!"

If they can get Betel Nut Essential Oil antibody imagines they can lay their hands on lots of other god knows what! And say "Thank very much, Sir"

Right on da money Mon Chum

Antibody can only repeat what antibody has gleaned from used condom wrappers! 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 21:42
No 15035
User Picture  		      Re:tests     

Generally tests only look for THC, opiates, Barbs, ludes, coke, speeds (to see if one is an addict), PCP, and maybe a couple of other minor chemicals.  Even the most complex test don't test for hallucinogens.  In addition, meth lasts in a person's system for only a couple of days.  I assume MDMA last for a similar time period.

I say tests won't detect the 2C's.  But give it a couple days to be sure.

I'm sure DIPT wont be detected cause it's in such low doses. 		 
 
 
 
    doobee
(Stranger)
06-07-00 22:22
No 15050
User Picture  		      Re: Harmala THC nicotine ???     

I believe nicotine is a beta MAOI in itself so could be dangerous.... 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 23:05
No 15066
User Picture  		      Re: amphetamine synthesis     

nice copy- and what site did you find that on?  kid, go dig the cat shit out of your sand box.  some people take offense to others slinging their works around on the net like they have a clue.  		 
 
 
 
    doobee
(Stranger)
06-07-00 23:43
No 15082
User Picture  		      Re: Where does one begin?     

And if you make the salt using dilute HCl, it requires no gassing ( or gases produced other than H2 ) 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-07-00 23:46
No 15085
User Picture  		      Re: Safrole from catechol(2).     

assuming the rxn went through w/o the methylenedioxy cleavage, would the isomers of the product be easily separated?  frac.dist.? and is there a lewis acid weaker than alcl3 suitable for a friedel crafts alkylation w/o worrying about cleavage of the ether? 		 
 
 
 
    PoohBear
(Stranger)
06-07-00 23:53
No 15092
User Picture  		      Re: Where does one begin?     

Thanx for the advice, but for some reason the "Festerlytic Reduction" seems a little more complicated than the others. I suppose it'd be a good place to start if it's safe, though.

Where, if you don't mind me asking, did everyone else begin?

I personaly like the idea of the p/p. Ya just put x amount of this with x amount of that, make sure it don't react to fast, then 'bout an hour later, presto... you got honey!

As far as dangers, the main concern here would be fumes from the reaction and from extracting, etc.? Will any dream master here please give specific precautions during the process?




"Bears love honey - and I'm a POOH BEAR!" 		 
 
 
 
    frost
(Newbee)
06-08-00 00:05
No 15098
User Picture  		      Re: NH3/LI ratios     

when nh3 has almost evaporated add nonpolar solvent except toulene because li will reduce it as well try ether or colemans pull solvent off after no more action filter solvent and gas to get product 		 
 
 
 
    phototrope
(Newbee)
06-08-00 00:13
No 15101
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy from Canada?     

Exactly my question. I was about to post this JUST now. And found the same place. how eery.

Is there a n external labelling of a package for Custom Declation? I'm sure there is. Do they put "X ounces of Sassy oil" right on the front???? 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 01:07
No 15120
User Picture  		      Re: T shirts     

thats one way to get sprung but what the fuck
it will look wicked i think i will get mine

bisssssss  busssssss 		 
 
 
 
    Fofitty
(Stranger)
06-08-00 01:12
No 15122
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy from Canada?     

Well... last time I sent something to Montreal for a friend they wanted me to write the contents of the package under description. But I believe that goes by shipping company... I used UPS next day... 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 01:32
No 15130
User Picture  		      Re: Filtering Question     

Yes

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    deltaT
(Newbee)
06-08-00 03:01
No 15170
User Picture  		      Re: problem gassing with DCM (allah strike)     

I just posted this same problem in the chemistry forum. DCM is simply not what Strike made it out to be in the TSII. A note on this is that it seems most of Strikes recipes ended with MDA, perhaps that molecule has a little more affinity for this procedure than MDMA.

Blue Diamond, another way to get your honey into a new solvent, just to the acid/base thing again. Add an aqueous acid solution and mix well, amine goes into aqueous phase (make sure to check pH), basify with NaOH solution (it shouldn't hurt if it's 15% or so, good to get it cold first), and extract with your next solvent of choice. Another chemist is right at this point too. Thinking about going back to the Shulgin IPA/ether xtal procedure, but lets keep in touch so we can help each other out when they find a solvent that works well. DeltaT 		 
 
 
 
    scarmani
(Stranger)
06-08-00 03:48
No 15183
User Picture  		      Re: Listed Precursors!     

Thanks for the correction/clarification, Unobtainium...

Yet, it doesn't seem that we are talking about tankers full of safrole!

List I Chemicals Level 12:

Less than 1.44 G of Isosafrole;
Less than 16 G of Methylamine;
Less than 1.44 G of Safrole
Less than 66 G of Acetic Anhydride;

I don't know, but 1.44 G of Safrole doesn't sound like a tanker full... yipes!  And the "less than"?  That doesn't sound good, either.

So, is this a list of penalties for just _owning_ these compounds?  How is it possible for essential oil emporiums to be selling any appreciable amount of safrole to individuals?  Or is this illegal, and that's why they get busted?  Still confused and concerned. 		 
 
 
 
    Misfit
(Stranger)
06-08-00 04:27
No 15193
User Picture  		      Re: Which HOH is better?     

I just want to add that it's still pretty hard to swallow -  tap water, that is. smile


Misfit 		 
 
 
 
    ilias47
(Stranger)
06-08-00 04:46
No 15199
User Picture  		      Re: Sassafras Oil easy to obtain?     

  Just tell them that you want to cook some dope up and if they don't want to give it you whip out the AK-47 and take the shit and all there money 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Addict)
06-08-00 05:07
No 15203
User Picture  		      Re: 80% return on HI / RP     

Same red oil sludge found when tried to filter
Obviously not complete, due to excess water
Yeilds suffered due to excess moisture, and therefore, rxn did not run to completion and should have gone to a full reflux for prolly 12 hours, but inexperience hurt me and hindsight is a wonderful thing!
Secondly filtering RP is messy and wasteful, next time will just leave it and flood reaction basify and move straight to steaming! After steaming is finished vessel left with water and RP remaining and RP will have been cleaned up from the steam and then would allow for easy removal and recycleing or RP!
after basifying moved to steam distallation and all went beautiful (other then low yeild due to incompletion), Clean clear oil sitting on top of whitish water, and one wonders what could have come over with the oil and water, so proceeded to acidify and evap solution to find water cleared, as evap occured, color went from light yellow to orange to red and ultimately black!
So it was determined that this was some polymer that came over and proceeded to get burnt at evap temps, so after much washing and recrystalisation it was all cleaned up to pure white, so my advice would be that as stated above you are always going to get some polymer left that will go thru and come across, so the best bet would be to throw in a NP and sep then gas, and leave any shit that came over in the water! or NP evap and then acidify and move into fresh clean DH2O and evap!
Clean, simple, few steps, and fast!
Solvent extraction, Dry reflux, steam distill, crystalisation!
Maximum yeilds!
Learnt more on this run then ever before and can see 80% next time no prob
Unbelievable Hoochiemoma! 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 09:08
No 15304
User Picture  		      Re: yes i have extracted the psudo     

i now have the pure ephedrine. will someone give me a simple way to make it more exciting.


You could try turning it into meth maybe.

~~Atomic Pickle.

 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Addict)
06-08-00 09:46
No 15332
User Picture  		      Re: about all this "UH" stuff     

All of the above!

Unbelievable Hoochiemoma! 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-08-00 11:55
No 15405
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker of asarone     

The asarone is best isolated by distillation. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-08-00 12:14
No 15410
User Picture  		      Re: How would one build an aspirator?     

Just buy one. That is much cheaper, easier and you know it will work. 		 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 13:07
No 15429
User Picture  		      Re: Nitropropene Reduction     

Thats the answer I wanted.The method.Please???I know LAH and its perils.Please bear in mind"LARGE SCALE"I have a heep of this .Most seem to be two step reductions.Results ive seen are not too good.
I really prefered this than the p2p way, but I could not find a proven practical method.So I decided p2p at 70 perc yield.....I can afford to waste a bit learning :) 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Addict)
06-08-00 13:19
No 15431
User Picture  		      Re: Removal of fillers and binders in Ritilin     

Methanol pull
Acetone wash

Unbelievable Hoochiemoma! 		 
 
 
 
    Player
(Stranger)
06-08-00 13:45
No 15438
User Picture  		      Re: gaseous methylamine     

I' ve noticed a poor yield when dripping saturated NaOh over MeAM.hcl w heat, running thru drying tube to ice cold MeOh.
18g .hcl => 2.4 g MeNh2 absorbed. Thought I read a post from cesium describing similar results- about a 10% conversion rate.

Does anyone know a better way to convert the hcl to a gas or better yet, can MeAm.hcl be used instead of the gas in an NaBh4 amination? If so details please. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
06-08-00 13:59
No 15442
User Picture  		      Re: Nitropropene Reduction     

It's a toss-up between electrochemical reduction or catalytic hydrogenation at High Pressure for good to excellent yields. 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 15:55
No 15466
User Picture  		      Re: HELP!!!     

Search and find, if you can't take it you can't make it.
cool

"UH"
LARGEMAN 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
06-08-00 17:07
No 15481
User Picture  		      Re: method to my madness     

What were you 'dreaming about'?
What method were you 'dreaming'?

Perhaps you'd get a better responce if you PUT MORE INFORMATION IN THE THREAD.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    cueva
(Stranger)
06-08-00 17:16
No 15483
User Picture  		      Re: the theory behind isomerization     

zephler, you dont need to show me your organic chem vocabulary, i know it already. i am no rookie. go show off your complicated words to someone who really doesn't understand them. maybe youll feel better. besides, you didnt answer my question.
the isomerization reaction im talking about, is just a shift of the position of the double bond, say, safrole to isosafrole, with CaO and base. how does it work? (show me the mechanism). i would look it up in a book, but none is available to me right now.
zephler, if you become my master, i will become your pupil. it gave me the chills to hear you reduce all organic reactions to E and Sn mechanisms. You are indeed a chemical prodigy. if organic chem was that simple, i would no doubts let you teach it to me. please?
thanks to all who are serious enough to respond with serious answers. knowledge ceases to have its value when it is transmitted with arrogance. 		 
 
 
 
    Extracter
(Stranger)
06-08-00 18:13
No 15496
User Picture  		      Re: HELP!!!     

Suicideblonde

Leran the fundamentals of  basic chemistry before doing anything like principles of solubility, polarity etc 		 
 
 
 
    SammydaBull
(Stranger)
06-08-00 20:19
No 15523
User Picture  		      Re: Formamide synth.     

Sammy has made sure that there are no virgins in his area. So I'll have to go and find a black cat.But do you think that I would get higher yields if the cat was a virgin? I hate to let a nice warm pussy go to waste.  ;)   Sammy 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 21:21
No 15545
User Picture  		      Re: Where does one begin?     

No one is going to tell you were to get rp. There's only about two sources left for it on the entire planet and no one is going to give them up. Matchbook rp sucks, but if it's all you can get then thats what you'll have to use.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 21:45
No 15551
User Picture  		      Re: HELP!!!     

And I believe it is MEN that have the large EGOS.

You're the one who took my simple statement and turned it into an assult on your fragile ego.

Whether you like to admit it or not, my statement is entirely true. If you can't master an A/B extraction, then you are not ready to make meth. You will fail your first several attempts because you are impatient. This post proves it, as everyone of your answers could have been answered in a couple of hours of searching. If you searched and didn't find anything, then you didn't search long enough or don't know how to search effectively. You expect everyone to just hand you an answer rather than learn for yourself. What are you going to do in the middle of a reaction when things start to go bad, run to the Hive and hope someone responds and tells you exactly how to handle it before your house burns down? When something goes wrong in a reaction, you can have about 5 seconds to react before the entire neighborhood is on fire and your ass is thrown in jail. Maybe that's what it will take before you realize you're in over your head.

An A/B extraction should be a prerequisite for every other procedure. If you can't do one, especially if you don't like them because you don't understand how they are done (which I suspect, and no, you don't need to respond assuring me that you do know how to do them, because it will not change my mind), then you are looking for a disaster. And besides for that, I doubt a simple methanol pull is going to get your E pure enough to do anything with. Its not usually that easy, but it's certainly the option most newbees choose because they are looking to take short-cuts.

I simple needed help, asked for it and got SHIT answers from some.

You got answers, you just couldn't understand them.

I've read from someone on the HIVE that the only dumb question is the one not asked.

There are no stupid questions, but a question that has been answered repeatedly reflects poorly on the person asking it.



~~Atomic Pickle.

 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 21:55
No 15556
User Picture  		      Re: solvent or acid based extraction?     

Bright Star tends to throw the big words around. For generic sudos, an A/B usually works fine and is all you need. If you do a solvent extraction, you'll be pulling out more than just the E, and then you'll have to figure out a way to separate the extra junk from the solution. Some people do a solvent pull, and then A/B the results from it. Most people seem to like a solvent extraction because it looks easier. But you really end up having to do at least as much work as an A/B.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Hive Bee)
06-08-00 23:19
No 15602
User Picture  		      Re: P/P     

^What the f**k U sayn it was a P2P.

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-08-00 23:38
No 15613
User Picture  		      Re: Like you care... on bee half of the actual bee's..     

Who cares? Let them do their bullshit, nobody will miss them. Time to weed out the user database anyway.

What's the URL for their site? Insanitunes? 		 
 
 
 
    super_bee
(Newbee)
06-09-00 03:23
No 15630
User Picture  		      Re: iodine from supermarket iodized salt?     

do the words polar pure ring a bell!!
why waste the fucking time

MOPAR OR NO CAR!!! 		 
 
 
 
    assuck
(Stranger)
06-09-00 04:12
No 15646
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy from Canada?     

The point I'm trying to make is even this shouldn't be discussed, specific locales of acquistion that is.  The competent bee shouldn't have to ask such questions.  Do your dirty work in silence, I don't see a need to talk about how easy or differcult it is to obtain an oil (or anything) in a specific location.  This talk does draw heat and could be easily by passed by doing a little investagation.  ie phone call in a carried out in a professional manner.

Can we please leave it at that?

Bee well, raise hell 		 
 
 
 
    less
(Newbee)
06-09-00 04:58
No 15672
User Picture  		      Re: iodine from supermarket iodized salt?     

Because Polar Pure is not sold everywhere.  Some of us live in places where it is illegal to sell it at all. 		 
 
 
 
    Apex
(Newbee)
06-09-00 05:37
No 15691
User Picture  		      Re: P/P     

First of all Grandmah I seriously beleive you are sick in the head, I've tasted some sweet sweet honey, originating from a push pull..You ought to be ashamed of yourself for even fathoming to post that..second of all SpankE i beleive your reaction probably went into completion...Sounds like everything went RIGHT.  Usually from such a small reaction you don't get a pull, sometimes you don't even get a push.  I sure hope you didn't throw everything away, and furthermore 6 gram reactions are rather hard if your new at this... but good luck

believe in me 		 
 
 
 
    ST1R
(Stranger)
06-09-00 07:56
No 15733
User Picture  		      Re: meth synth     

watta painina ass
>notin' to do all life to do it< 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Hive Bee)
06-09-00 08:36
No 15746
User Picture  		      Re: P/P     

yeah, if you had lumps, homogenation is at least part of the problem- or you get hotspots and nuke the yummies.

and double yeah- small reactions suck.  very difficult.  on the otherhand, once you've mastered them, you're VERY experienced 		 
 
 
 
    scram
(Stranger)
06-09-00 11:42
No 15803
User Picture  		      Re: MDA via Al/Hg     

that's supposed to be claims 70% yields.... 		 
 
 
 
    hest
(Stranger)
06-09-00 12:59
No 15816
User Picture  		      Re: chloromethylation/formylationof 2,5-diMeO-somethin     

Answer to Birdman
Add Li to the 2,5-Dimeto.-toluene at -60°, let it go to room temp.
Cool again to -60° add one mol N,N-DMF let it go to room temp. Then, still at room temp, ad NH4Cl/wather. Ex. with ether, dry, and evaporate Product pure aldehyde in 80-90%
(Same procedure for the MeI addition) Ask for details
It is also posible to make 2,5-DMBA by this route in high yeald (70-80%) 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-09-00 15:53
No 15852
User Picture  		      Re: heap of broad     

Lili! If you read this, could you clarify one more time, how suitable this is for
alkylation with Pr or iPr? I have loads of iPrBr and PrBr in my dream cabinet, and
I don't wanna feed it to the rats. Thank you.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Lino
(Stranger)
06-09-00 17:37
No 15879
User Picture  		      Re: Isomerisation of propiophenone     

Doooohhhhhh!!!!!!

So.... ephidrine from propiophenone? KrZ has a good ephedrine synth :-)  Come on WizX how should it be done? 		 
 
 
 
    KrZ
(Newbee)
06-09-00 18:08
No 15887
User Picture  		      Post deleted by KrZ     

 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Hive Bee)
06-09-00 18:36
No 15896
User Picture  		      Re: Solubility data chart....     

That would be very nice, but almost all of the data I have run into is only qualititive, not quantitive, excepting some older references. 

I think Beilstein has some really good data on that crap.  Also on the Rhodium site there is a section reguarding the"Journal of Clandestine ... " which at the end has a teaser of sorts.  An ordering form for several books of which you desrcibe but it is said to only to be shipped to forensic lab upon confermation.  Maybe you could order it and privately notify me if it worked so that I could do the same.  Really what is the worst case senerio, they won't sell to you...

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilitate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-09-00 20:55
No 15946
User Picture  		      Re: ETHIDIUM BROMIDE ,AKA HYPOPHOSPHORUS ACID     

Ethidium bromide is NOT the same thing as hypophosphorous acid. Either way, aquisition questions should be asked in the aquisition forum.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    gaston
(Stranger)
06-09-00 21:17
No 15952
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker of asarone     

attn: european oil only has trace amounts of asarone in it :(
they say b-asarone is a mutagen and therefore should not be used: http://www.lifeline.de/recherche/lexika/pschy/K/1439.html 		 
 
 
 
    Mr_Smith
(Stranger)
06-09-00 23:17
No 15991
User Picture  		      Re: Strontium     

A neurolyzer? Oh, it's a little amnestic.... nothing to be concerned about. 		 
 
 
 
    sassy_sucker
(Newbee)
06-10-00 00:19
No 16011
User Picture  		      Re: Red devil lye     

No trouble here. 		 
 
 
 
    gaston
(Stranger)
06-10-00 01:30
No 16050
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker of asarone     

and they are very succesful. but your trusted oil supplier can get the right stuff. 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
06-10-00 01:35
No 16051
User Picture  		      Re: 80% return on HI / RP     

Recieved a letter from Russia, they Claim that the product is there is called meth/acid.
What they do is after the reaction filter the RP, the liquid is then sold as the final product.
THis is what, is the injectible, some will neutralize it a little first .

Damn those must be some Badass MF , was my first thought
Then I realized they are probably just barely still alive.

He went on to say they have a lot of soreness in the muscles and joints and a severe hungover feeling for days afterwards.

I assume a reaction to the iodine

He also said they mix the big three ingredients dry and let it sit for 24 hours, I don't recall if any water was added or not
when they return it is done??

Meth/acid !! wow !!!
needless to say they had many questions one of which,  interested in the theory of adding salt.
AdVISED them to read a  Chem text under Extracting / Salting-out that it is not theoretical but common procedure.

As you might imagine, they recieved the full lecture on cleaning up the product.

 

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    Android
(Hive Bee)
06-10-00 01:36
No 16053
User Picture  		      Re: It is forbidden to post sources in this forum!     

PRIVATE MESSAGING. . . . . . . . .heh heh heh. . . . . . and I'm an asshole, too!

Android
Site Administrator,
InsaniTunes 		 
 
 
 
    hammaman
(Stranger)
06-10-00 01:57
No 16059
User Picture  		      Re: Pseudoephedrine In Oz     

Have you tried the Bali Ephedrine ? 		 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Hive Bee)
06-10-00 04:10
No 16114
User Picture  		      Re: "E" dissolving     

dearest barney rubble, the shit that is visible is scum and other shit you pulled during your extraction, if the dh20 is warm enough it will dissolve your liquid when stirred will look greyish, and upon settling will have bubbly waxy scum at the top, and whatever other dustbunnies you scraped up during your first evap!dont worry it should all come out when u cold filter!

Peace! 		 
 
 
 
    ALMOST_HUMAN
(Stranger)
06-10-00 05:35
No 16134
User Picture  		      Re: cleaning RP     

well i have cleaned a lot off the striker pad with acetone but have never found any with this much glue (rubber).and now i am afraid to wash it because i hate to see how much i have left after all this work! but i guess you are right it is just glue thanks for the help. 		 
 
 
 
    threecro
(Stranger)
06-10-00 05:49
No 16136
User Picture  		      Re: Important warning     

     Thanks for everyone's advise. My e-mail was just what it seemed. It was written by someone who has seen people (chemists, hobbyists, pyrotechnists etc., making a fortune selling their surplus RP for incredible profits. I have e-mailed some of them with some questions. They all say that they include a disclaimer but of course they can not control what is done with their product after they sell it. If  that makes it legal then I saw there was money to be made. My unprofessional approach to this company was for two reasons. One, I am not professional. Two, I was hoping to, by my naivety to invoke a response that would procure me a frank and candid rapport, perhaps from a individual that would explain what the law was and why and how
it is/was being circumvented. I did not include the entire e-mail to try to protect everyone's anonymity, but what I inferred from the totality of the correspondence was this. Anybody who sells RP on a open auction whether they know it or not can be in great peril. It scared me and I wanted to warn others. But that sanctimonious Bright star really pushed my button. Many people on this sight that are just trying to be helpful are criticized by the almighty old-timers as buffoons. While they themselves stand upon there lofty pillars of experience and superior knowledge slowly rotating no doubt.
     The comments on my post did make me realize that many of you do have a deeper understanding on the politics of ecstasy as it relates to dreaming about it. Especially Exsikkator who was very intelligently focused in the moderation of his response. It was very helpful. Even Unobtainium had some valid points. I am confused as to why be concedes the unimportance of syntax and grammar in this medium but still insists that the correspondence was unprofessional. He states that a letter this crappy should not try to be passed off as legitimate. You don't understand! It is legitimate. I planed on doing exactly what I said. (It is interesting to note that the chemical seller I contacted was auctioning off  iodine crystals at a much higher price then his own catalog quotes.) You see! he knows what professionalism is, it's for the money. And I do take offense on your comment that you have seen contracts written on cocktail napkins that were more professional. I hope in the legalese of these contracts no non such language as yours was used. I am referring to your remark "you never infer to the supplier". You don't infer anything to anybody, you imply or elude to it. And then you draw a inference as to what you thought he meant in his response. Any  such
contract written with this language would be nil and void. Otherwise good points!
      Anyway I will not beleaguer this issue any further. I appreciate the advise. I hope mine maybe helpful to some other unprofessional buffoon. 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Addict)
06-10-00 06:07
No 16141
User Picture  		      Re: Fire Retardents     

You should probably have a fire blanket around for yourself, and several wet towels to cover and fire in the reaction. Spraying a chemical fire with a hose will just spread the chemicals around and cause a bigger fire.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    Misfit
(Stranger)
06-10-00 08:08
No 16160
User Picture  		      Re: Important warning     

threecro,

I'm sure it's not my place to mention this nor is it relevant to this thread, but hey that's my style. When you said:

I know being moderator is your only claim to fame, but there are other things to take into consideration.

(although it may have been mistyped), I figured you maybe didn't know about this:
http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt.

He is kinda arrogant 'though, huh? smile

 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Hive Bee)
06-10-00 08:21
No 16165
User Picture  		      Re: Aqua Power-heads for distilling/vaccum     

ok aquarium goodies im good at, let me say first that depending on amount of fluid to vacumed, even the smallest power head might not be good enough! reason is their prime, you have to not only fill/submerse the head till it was filled, wait let me stop there are certain power heads that will work dependant on set up, if you could post your plan I would be happy to help out on it!

Peace! 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-10-00 09:13
No 16168
User Picture  		      Re: iodine from supermarket iodized salt?     

The problem is excess Cl2 will fuck up that reaction and produce shit like ICl and ICl3. H2O2 of a known concentration is easier to measure. 		 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Hive Bee)
06-10-00 10:55
No 16198
User Picture  		      Re: "" Open Up Shop "" ?/?     

yeah if your good you can use a photo flash, ya know "point, shoot, click" fair warning it is my understanding that this is highly dangerous! and should not be attempted by amateurs

Peace! 		 
 
 
 
    iceman
(Stranger)
06-10-00 11:04
No 16200
User Picture  		      Re: cleaning RP     

depends on how good you scraped your mb strips, but sometimes over 1/3, like i said it has a few variables! but I have lost as much as 1/3 sofar, but throughout all the work I know that it will be well worth it, now if only iodine were that ez to get!!

I wont leave my wingman! 		 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Hive Bee)
06-10-00 11:16
No 16205
User Picture  		      Re: cleaning RP     

I dont know if thats totally acurate SWIM just finished cleaning mbrp and the loss was a little greater then that! almost half, either the mb I used suck or I really cleaned those puppies, ok SWIM started with approx 10gms mbrp, and after cleaning only have 6.5gms, but its nice, and as long as the shit is cleaned well, I would say dont worry about the loss, cause its better to have cleaner stuff to begin, then worry about how much overtime you put in on those fuckin mb's and have a crappy product. (my opinion only)

Peace! 		 
 
 
 
    Methaco_s_mic
(Newbee)
06-10-00 14:56
No 16247
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry terms     

>99.5% Pure NaOH on "metal basis" means that of the metals present in the reagent more than 99.5% is Na. But you can still have 1% NaCl or NaSO4 in there.

-Methaco(s)mic 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-10-00 15:07
No 16249
User Picture  		      Re: Some aspirator questions....     

The amount of vacuum they pull depends mostly on your water pressure and temperature, as the designs are pretty much the same for each brand.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    JackCasperFrost
(Stranger)
06-10-00 15:50
No 16256
User Picture  		      Re: PP Tanks     

If you are new to the Honey game,
And you are just starting up,
I would say hold off on the push/pull,
And start small 250ml Flat bottom flask,
With a 12 foot or longer hose going to Outside/sewer,
Start with a 7gram honey reaction for your first run,

Goodluck,  JackCasperFrost, 		 
 
 
 
    Apex
(Newbee)
06-10-00 17:10
No 16269
User Picture  		      Re: The same ol I2 question~     

    This stuff is Garbage with a capital G.  Don't use it...Iodine is pretty easy to find in the US.  Your certainly not looking hard enough.  Go to a local feed and tack store and ask for strong iodine tincture 7%.  they will have it...Never use Iodine with povidone in it...Get the good shit...If it's tincture, it's easy to convert to crystals....Good luck

believe in me 		 
 
 
 
    Lino
(Stranger)
06-10-00 19:08
No 16289
User Picture  		      Re: bone ash     

As a strict vegan I could not possibly condone the use of animal bones in this procedure... What is the penalty for grave robbing nowadays???

Lino 		 
 
 
 
    JackCasperFrost
(Stranger)
06-10-00 22:49
No 16331
User Picture  		      Re: Bad Acid Trip (& LSD Q's)     

If you can't handle acid,
Take a step down and exp with some good shroom's,
When you feel good take a hit or 2 of some cid,
You will feel real good, 		 
 
 
 
    JackCasperFrost
(Stranger)
06-10-00 23:38
No 16340
User Picture  		      Re: Bad Acid Trip (& LSD Q's)     

Well the chemistry of cid is 1 thing,
But you need to have a strong mind,
If you have a weak mind and are afraid of you own shadow,
Chances are good you will have a unpleasant trip, 		 
 
 
 
    JackCasperFrost
(Stranger)
06-10-00 23:44
No 16341
User Picture  		      Re: amphetamine synthesis     

Yes i would like to add to you synthesis,
Inplace of your iron add 28.8 gms of compact,
Silver Nitrate and you should use a open flame stove,
Have fun and tell me how it turn's out,

JackCasperFrost, 		 
 
 
 
    scram
(Stranger)
06-11-00 00:49
No 16348
User Picture  		      Re: Methylamine     

Hey Rhodium, is Ammonium Chloride soluable in MeOH, what about Ammonium Acetate, which is more soluable in MeOH? 		 
 
 
 
    leroybrown
(Stranger)
06-11-00 02:33
No 16358
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras in oz     

PORNSTAR,or ANYONE WITH A GOOD SUPPLY!
G`DAY BOYS/GIRLS HOW YOU GOING, GREAT BUY AT THOSE PRICES FOR THE SASS! PLEASE, PLEASE EMAIL ME AT auto36210@hushmail.com
I`ll thankyou ahead of time !!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    chilly_willy
(Stranger)
06-11-00 03:13
No 16363
User Picture  		      Re: diethylamine     

I have seen diethylamine, and dimethylamine used interchangably. Each has a seperate BP..  which is it??  I know in the end you can really use anything you want..but substituting dimethylamine for diethylamine would result in a substantially weaker amide right?  Does anyone have any notes... or references about diEthylamine synthesis??  Can the AmCl/Formalin reaction be modified effectively to yield diethylamine??

- 		 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Hive Bee)
06-11-00 03:57
No 16368
User Picture  		      Re: Methylamine     

Vogel cleans his methylamine Hcl of ammonium chloride  by recrystallisation from n butanol. This does it in one go.If you use the shorter chain propanol, it takes 3 recrystallisations to do it.
Hope this helps 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-11-00 05:47
No 16399
User Picture  		      Re: formic acid     

Density is 1.21 g/mL
Therefore volume is 1500/1.21=1240mL

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-11-00 05:58
No 16406
User Picture  		      Re: Alkylamines...     

I'll look it up within a few days. Say, doesn't Vogel have such syntheses right after the methylamine HCl synths?
What do you want it for anyway?

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Zoroaster
(Stranger)
06-11-00 10:25
No 16447
User Picture  		      Re: Bad Acid Trip (& LSD Q's)     

Phototrope,
Looking back I think I was a little harsh in criticizing your skepticism of acid. I've recently been reading some of Thoth's posts and am beginning to think there may be a downside to excessive use.wink

man muß noch Chaos in sich haben, um einen tanzenden Stern gebären zu können. 		 
 
 
 
    Zoroaster
(Stranger)
06-11-00 11:22
No 16451
User Picture  		      Re: Herbal Danger     

Well sorry Psyloxy, I really didn't mean to touch a nerve there. I do have an axe to grind with practitioners of homeopathy but I agree that if you have found something that works for you then that is good. I know first hand how bad your former condition can be and I am glad you have overcome it regardless how. Just as a correction you were probably taking beta agonists for your asthma. Beta blockers will kill a severe asthmatic.

Man muß noch Chaos in sich haben, um einen tanzenden Stern gebären zu können. 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Newbee)
06-11-00 13:14
No 16472
User Picture  		      Re: Ketone from auto solvent?     

There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, if not millions of different ketones, no way it would be the blue/green kind 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Newbee)
06-11-00 13:29
No 16474
User Picture  		      Re: Proposed MD-P2P sythesis     

It would help if your nomenclature was correct what is 3,6-chloro-1,3-benzodioxole?  Friedel Crafts acylation requires a AlCl3 catalyst btw, and heavily substituted aromatics don't like to be more substituted. 		 
 
 
 
    CHEMHACKER
(Stranger)
06-12-00 01:22
No 16543
User Picture  		      Re: disposing of evidence     

Hey Speedy (unique name)
                Trash is a place where the man searches for evidence. If you are only doing
personal stash it is not as serious a problem. If you were larger than that though you
would not be asking this question....I hope. Things like  mail order or excessive pur-
chases of no nos can bring attention to you . If your nervous about a possible paper
trail to your ID or address take the left overs to a dumpster etc. However if your inconspiocuous don't be overly concerned. Hell best to take it away from your location
anyway with people digging in the trash.    CAREFUL 		 
 
 
 
    Sleepy_MT
(Stranger)
06-12-00 01:36
No 16548
User Picture  		      Re: why bother synthesizing NaGHB for liquid?     

Ok for all you Non chem hacks out there GBL and GHB are what is called a Cyclic Ester there fore they are exactly the same chemical in differing forms upon prevailing conditions, IE h20 + GBL = GHB Acid
now this conversion is happening constantly in a back and forth cycle ie the name CYCLIC ESTER now when GBL hits your Stoach acid it absorbs water free floating Ions and HCL these all help form a more stable bond on the GHB side creating the g you so know and love.. therfore they are both one and the same, yes there are time diffrences depending on the body's available resources for its own in vitro rxn.. 		 
 
 
 
    mutphung
(Stranger)
06-12-00 02:33
No 16562
User Picture  		      Re: Iodine crystal smell     

yup
iodine stains which is why microbiology labs use them to stain bacteria etc
the smell...yeah iodine has a certain smell....

at least from what i hear... 		 
 
 
 
    KrZ
(Newbee)
06-12-00 03:21
No 16573
User Picture  		      Post deleted by KrZ     

 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Hive Bee)
06-12-00 08:25
No 16597
User Picture  		      Re: Secret #4 Finding the iod..     

Most of us arent as lucky to live near a friggen dairy, however if your search for the elusive Iodine has got you in a rutt, then try this....
Step 1: walk in to ANY walmart, walgreens, rite-aid or any other drugstore and ask for tincture iodine.

Step 2: put out your hand and receive your tincture iodine!

Step 3: Pay or steal (I suggest you pay,...cash!) for your iodine.

Step 4: Repeat steps 1-3 until you have what you need!

certain precautions should be taken, if dont have to show your mugg at each place you score from, good!

Its that fuckin ez, trust me! a couple of weeks ago I was ranting and raving about how hard it was, and about my name going on a piece of paper, etc. etc. but finally I said fuck it, let's see how hard this really is!

conclusion: Its easier than you think! Just be polite, (best not to be tweakin) ask for your product, assertively, smile, and say, "thank you" most of the pharm-clerks dont even know what you want it for or what some people use it for, if done right you can go back just after shift change and ask for another bottle or two!

So fuck the dairies, fuck the feed and tack stores (although its just as ez at feed store) just go for what you know, and if your still uncomfortable with this, then find someone to do it for you! thanks for your time!

Peace! 		 
 
 
 
    cactus
(Stranger)
06-12-00 18:37
No 16635
User Picture  		      Re: 80% return on HI / RP     

Worlock I guess I will take the crystals that are on top and wash them with acetone.  I had to strech this out for a while as I didn't have much privacy to work.  I will gass this toluene and see what I have there.  It was in the darke for a long time but now the conatner has been exposed to light for 2 days.  I'll  let you know how it comes out. 

Live with Freedom 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
06-12-00 18:59
No 16637
User Picture  		      Re: Nitropropene Reduction     

What's the "safe" procedure for recovering hydrogenated Pd/C after a reaxtion of this nature?


Also,

Wash 2x with DCM 75ml.
Slowly basify to pH 12 with 25% NaOH.
Extract 3x with 125ml Ethyl Ether.

What other solvents could be used here besides Ether??

TIA

zool

 
 
 
 
    MDBA420
(Stranger)
06-12-00 19:15
No 16640
User Picture  		      Re: Scopolamine     

if you want to get pure scopolamine go to the doctor and explain how your wife making you take this week-long bitchass cruz hosted by amway resellers, and explain that you have severe sea sicness. he will most likely prescribe you the patch version of scopolamine.

--------------MDBA Behaves Like MTM--------------- 		 
 
 
 
    roger1052
(Stranger)
06-12-00 19:20
No 16642
User Picture  		      Re: Secret #2 Test batches..     

I disagree, SWIM has run successful batches as small as 3g. This was done using I2 from tincture and MB rp. Final result was excellent!! 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-12-00 19:31
No 16645
User Picture  		      Re: Test Kits     

Talk to WizardX, it was he who alerted me to the company in the first place.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Stranger)
06-12-00 21:41
No 16700
User Picture  		      Re: New Tryptamine????     

Oops i forgot a step.  I would first reduce the ketone with Raney Ni and a chromium promoter to the alcohol. Then MeI to Methylate the amine and alcohol.  I know the finer points are missing.  But this should now work as long as my methylation stays under control.  I have a ref for the raney nickle reduction.  Its actually a great book on catalysts.  I would heartily suggest any interested bees look at this one.    "Heterogenous Catalysis for the synthetic chemist" Robert L. Augustine 1996 Marcel Decker 		 
 
 
 
    Jacked
(Hive Bee)
06-12-00 21:56
No 16702
User Picture  		      Re: Using Aluminum in HI/RP     

This would explane some old time methods I dreamed about seeing that still sounds to far fetched to even discuss, But the 2en addition of al to my dreams means; smaller more efficient DH20 washes of the non-polor, = cleaner & maybe better yealds,
-------Pretty Work,---------
 


The end result is directly conected to the effort applyed. Cave man Jacked 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-12-00 22:16
No 16708
User Picture  		      Re: Important info on bans!     

I don't know what he's bitching about. He made himself an administrator of their new board. In fact, just about everyone over there is an administrator. They have 33 members, and I think 25 of them are administrators.

There must be an option there when you register:


If you would like to become and administrator, check this box.

And everybody checks it.

Funny, everyone of them who was bitching about the moderators having too much power over people decided to make themselves moderators. This wasn't about the Hive moderators having the power to edit posts, it was about Black Death and a few others wanting the same amount of power for themselves.

Well now they have it, and lets see how long it lasts before they start abusing it and doing everything unfair they accused you of doing. They say they wont delete or edit posts but I bet I could make a post over there that would be edited or deleted

~~Atomic Pickle.

 
 
 
 
    FlamingMaggot
(Stranger)
06-12-00 22:49
No 16713
User Picture  		      Re: synth using glacial acetic acid     

Unobtainium completely fell for it too, heheh... 		 
 
 
 
    Helmut_Posse
(Stranger)
06-12-00 23:49
No 16732
User Picture  		      Re: 2 (simple?) Questions     

no, I'm not trying to extract the DXM from a syrup.  But, I was going to try getting it out of Neo Citran DM.

<b>poop<b> 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-13-00 02:24
No 16789
User Picture  		      Re: "Turning to Ephederine"     

Try the spelling "ephedrine".

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 03:44
No 16811
User Picture  		      Re: Using Aluminum in HI/RP     

H2 could be dangerous as well!!! What happens if there is some oxygen in your rxn vessel, the H2 produced and you get a phosphorus fire? My guess is that you might be pulling glass shards out of your face with tweezers.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    method
(Stranger)
06-13-00 04:44
No 16819
User Picture  		      Re: HCL Bubbler in MM Al/Ag     

Will a 48% sulfuric acid solution work? Or is necessary to have a much purer H2SO4? 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Newbee)
06-13-00 04:54
No 16822
User Picture  		      Re: steam distillation     

Your first instinct is correct, "root bark" is the bark off the roots.  Someone is trying to rip you off by selling you roots and bark = root bark

"I love stout" 		 
 
 
 
    ilias47
(Stranger)
06-13-00 05:08
No 16826
User Picture  		      Re: Glass Ware Question     

  sorry bout the paranoia but I am working on about day 5 now of a killer bender. 		 
 
 
 
    Prozac
(Stranger)
06-13-00 06:09
No 16835
User Picture  		      Re: does this make hcl gas     

So, this needs to be done outside? Or in a well-constructed fume-hood?

After the gas passes through the: TOLUENE-pseudo or meth mixture, is it still dangerous? 		 
 
 
 
    hey_man
(Pimp Master)
06-13-00 11:05
No 16880
User Picture  		      Re: Red Phos     

zooligan is ok, I just heard from him today, not one of the dumb, give us some credit. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 12:29
No 16905
User Picture  		      Re: 2 (simple?) Questions     

I guess this is sort of on forum topic because it deals with extraction:
[url]http:// third-plateau.lycaeum.org/tips/extract.html [/url]

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-13-00 12:38
No 16909
User Picture  		      Re: PTC's     

Your plan for making t-butyl chloride is all right, but there is no way you will get past alkylating ammonia more than twice with it. di-tert-butylamine is so sterically hindered it won't have place for another t-butyl group...

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 12:39
No 16910
User Picture  		      Re: 2 (simple?) Questions     

Looky here, too:
[url]http:// www.frognet.net/dxm/dxm_chemistry.html#toc.11.1.4 [/url]
from which comes:
If you want to use the precipitation method, all you have to do is add sodium hydroxide to the cough formula as described above, until the DXM precipitates out. Let it stand (or centrifuge it), and filter. The (very fine) powder that hopefully was caught by the filter paper is the DXM free base.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Lilienthal
(Moderator)
06-13-00 12:39
No 16912
User Picture  		      Re: Decarboxylation     

Tetrahydronaphtalene (=tetraline, bp 204 - 207°C) / oktahydronaphtalene are common solvents for painting (turpentine substitute). The ketone acts as an "equimolar catalyst" and I would use a higher boiling ketone (e.g. cyclehexanone or acetophenone) even if people had success with acetone. Purification via acidic extraction / rebasification. For literature references have a look onto my (http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/storey/116/index.html) or Rhodium's site. 		 
 
 
 
    Methrix
(Stranger)
06-13-00 12:45
No 16914
User Picture  		      Re: Mimosa extraction the same !     

Well, thanks for taking your time to reply.

But i didn't get your point.
The heating part sounds like an opportunity that i was scared about, cause i thought i'd burn up the alkaloids.

It's in a crystallisation glass jar of some sort, standing on a shelf with a reversed plastic bowl 20cm above it, to prevent unwanted particles in the mud.

Would a little heat hurt ?

-Methrix 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 12:55
No 16921
User Picture  		      Re: does this make hcl gas     

Prozac,
HCl gas isn't something you want to get too much of so at least do it in a well-ventilated area. I guess you could do it in an apartment with swimming goggles on and a wet towel wrapped around your face.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-13-00 13:13
No 16931
User Picture  		      Re: ketamine analogue     

There is a chapter about that in this review: http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/pcp/

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 14:35
No 16966
User Picture  		      Re: detergent in hypo     

Are you talking about bought hypophosphorous acid from a chem supply store? I seriously doubt any additives. They have to give an assay on the side of the bottle, don't they? And it would be useless for other legit purposes.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    C_Nemo
(Stranger)
06-13-00 15:29
No 16988
User Picture  		      Re: chloromethylation/formylationof 2,5-diMeO-somethin     

no single method of 1,4-dmb formylation on both boards, sir =(

With hope, CN 		 
 
 
 
    Apex
(Newbee)
06-13-00 15:30
No 16990
User Picture  		      Re: Dead Red?     

If you had many successful reactions in the past with the same exact method, then look at what you have changed and correct this problem.  If the only thing different is the RP then the RP is your problem, but if your using a different source of sodium hydroxide or lets say you don't cook the rxn as long as you used to or whatever the case, then you may be experiencing some other problems...Good luck...

believe in me 		 
 
 
 
    Apex
(Newbee)
06-13-00 15:38
No 16995
User Picture  		      Re: Red Flags     

Oh and in answer to the original question:  Red Phosphorous, Iodine, Large amounts of pseudo ephedrine pills or ephedrine derivatives...these are the ones that will get you noticed

believe in me 		 
 
 
 
    C_Nemo
(Stranger)
06-13-00 15:45
No 17001
User Picture  		      Re: Alternative (to LAH) 2C-H redn methods     

hrrm, dissolving in alkali soln a Ni/Al alloy (Raeney metal) gives skeletal(?) nickel (Raeney nickel, Raeney catalyst). kinda helps in redn stuff & reductive amination =) btw, the very process of dissolving may be used to redn, like in Hg/Al process, but a way much potent. reduces p2p to amph, e.g.

what are Urushibara catalysts btw?

as for alternative methods i haven't seen yet the best than dreamer's one http://hyperlab.org/syn/phen01.txt

if only i could find an answer to my Pd/C question... =(

Yours, CN 		 
 
 
 
    MDBA420
(Stranger)
06-13-00 17:10
No 17025
User Picture  		      Re: ketamine analogue     

tiletamine is one.
eticyclidine and 1-[1-2-thienyl-cyclohexyl]piperidine (tcp) are analogues of pcp

--------------MDBA Behaves Like MTM--------------- 		 
 
 
 
    MaDMAx
(Newbee)
06-13-00 18:02
No 17040
User Picture  		      Re: crystallization by gas trouble, please help!     

I can't speak for deltaT, but I managed to solve my problem. I put my solution into an rb flask and started to distill off the toluene. After about 100 ml or so came off, the crystals spontaneously formed. It was the most beautiful sight I've ever seen! I'm guessing that there was some water in my toluene despite all of the precautions I took. 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 18:07
No 17042
User Picture  		      Re: Anhydrous Ammonia from Merck ...     

Blow really hard into a glass cup.  Voila pressure = condensation equals liquid.
Simple i think this works.(For very rough estimate)
If compound boils at 32F(for those truly incompetent)  and you want liquid at 70F.  PV=nRT  V=constant because we are maintaining a liquid state here 
P/1atm=(70+460)/(32+460)
Don't even ask where the 460's came from, im not gettin paid here.  That means you must up the pressure to 1.08atm for it to remain liquid or to 822mmHG or 323638in H2O absolute pressure.
In other words this shit is like butane.


"Sometimes i say things i wouldn't do, thats the beauty of Amerika" 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-13-00 18:30
No 17049
User Picture  		      Re: various lab stuff- where to get?     

Simple measuring devices like beakers and cylinders aren't a problem. But reaction vessels and boiling flasks might be. Size does matter. Up to a liter you're probably safe. Anything over that depends on the state laws and how efficient your supplier is at keeping paperwork.

~~Badass . 		 
 
 
 
    Misfit
(Newbee)
06-13-00 18:50
No 17058
User Picture  		      Re: psyloxy is leaving the Hive!     

Go ahead. Run, play, frolic. There's all kinds of neat stuff and people outside.

I hear there's even girls out there. blush


Misfit

Enjoy. 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
06-13-00 19:33
No 17070
User Picture  		      Re: Using Aluminum in HI/RP     

H2 , I always hve a fan blowing anytime anything is heated to disperse any fumes.

The addition of aluminum is moving from the crude to the sublimed.

The amount of RP needed is greatly reduced
The amount of Lye needed at the end is reduced by a factor of 5x.
The product is coming out strong not metalic,  has no fishy odor.

And get this, the yields are way up I don't want to say how great, but pushin in excess of 80%.???
Have not doone nearly enough testing , but at 4 poptops /oz of E
Placed in the reaction flask with the RP I2 and E, have consistently had good results.

























Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 19:44
No 17076
User Picture  		      Re: what type of glassware to get?     

Actually i wish i was cooking up some G.  That stuff gives me sweet dreams.  But it appears to be gone for good.

"Sometimes i say things i wouldn't do, thats the beauty of Amerika" 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
06-13-00 19:48
No 17078
User Picture  		      Re: Optimus Prime Busted     

They can take he weight of anything the meth is mixed with and use that entire weight as the weight of the meth for prosecution charges,

But idf the meth is in the freebase formn it is not considered usable and therefore not sellable of distributable and people have esxcaped do the the fact that they never put the HCl to it.


Another example of the ridiculous laws being forced upon us so these drug people can have a job.
The oppresion of the population can only last so long, the govt is fortunate it is riding on the shirttails of computer technology at the  present to maintain the economy, otherwise revolution would be closer

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    randolph_carter
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 20:38
No 17092
User Picture  		      Re: Optimus Prime Busted     

a supreme court case about lsd covered this same territory last year.....
previously lsd was prosecuted based on weight of the lsd and carrier (i.e. paper, cubes etc....)in the supreme court case it was SUCCESSFULLY argued against this by the following thought chain.....

subject a is on a boat in lake michigan with one dosage unit of lsd on blotter paper containing 100 mcg of lsd....the coast guard intercepts the boat ....in senario one the subject is apprehended with the lsd on blotter paper weighing approx .1 gram....in senario two the subject is apprehended after having dropped the lsd in to the boats toilet resulting in the seizure of 1 liter of water and the paper weighing approx 1 kilo....in scenario three the coast guard apprehends the subject after flushing the toilet and the coast guard seizes the blotter from the water surrounding the boat resulting in a seizure of several trillion kilos of weight....

the supremes held in that case that the crime lab HAD TO DETERMINE ACTUAL WEIGHTS OF CONTRABAND......anything else was invalid....
but the meth law specifically has at least 2 different categories of offenses depending on whether it is "pure d isomer" or "cut or racemic".....these 2 different categories have different weights/penalties associated with them.....

like i said i don't know if this applies her or not jus a ravin.....

"remember little ones, love is real,not fade away, so pass some on today......" 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 20:58
No 17097
User Picture  		      Re: 2C-B yield...     

Yes suh boahs! Comin riaht up deah, boahs! :)


Synthesis of ethylenediammonium diacetate:

A 150 ml beaker, containing 100 ml dry ether and 12.0 g (0.2 mol) of ethylenediamine, is placed in an ice-bath and a solution of 24.0 g (0.4 mol) glacial acetic acid in 20 ml ether is added with stirring at such a rate as to prevent boiling of the ether. The solution is left to crystallize overnight, then filtered with suction, the crystals washed with ether and recrystallized from approximately 50 ml MeOH. Yield after drying in a vacuum desiccator is around 27.5g (75%) of colorless needles, mp 114°C.

2,5-dimethoxynitrostyrene

2,5-Dimethoxybenzaldehyde (59.8g, 0.3 mol) was mixed with nitromethane (20g, 0.32 mol), and ethylenediammonium diacetate (5.4g, 30 mmol) in 250 ml IPA (100% isopropanol), and the mixture was heated lightly until all solids had dissolved. The mixture was kept at room temp for 24 hours with stirring, after which time the mixture was cooled in the freezer and the orange crystalline precipitate was filtered off with suction, and washed with 50 ml ice-cold IPA and air dried. The yield was 59g (94%).

The synthesis of this nitrostyrene is the first step of all, of course. After this comes the reduction, either with LAH, or any other method found in the following texts:

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/2cb-synths.txt
http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/znhg.alhg.reductions.txt
http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/catalytic.txt
http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/red-al.txt

I cannot reccommend any specific reduction of these as I've never tried any of them myself.

 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 21:09
No 17101
User Picture  		      Re: Methyliodide ?...     

slappy!

AFAIK as of 2001 MeI will be reconsidered as to its carcinogenic potential. It's quite
easy to get if you look. I got 50 mls, once, in a brillant dream, and it was stabilised
with silver and sealed in black ptfe (or similar) and secured in styropor container thingie.

Beeware when dealing with it, it can give you nasty poisoning. I experienced it.
But as to carcinogen, that's disputable.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 21:41
No 17114
User Picture  		      Re: Project 7 (2-C-T-7) Is anyone joining?     

Lets make a quick concensus. Good or bad???
Im inclined to trust the boy and i would like to see these posts deleted soon after a quick vote.
Ill say good but again i do NOT know him personally

"Sometimes i say things i wouldn't do, thats the beauty of Amerika" 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 22:45
No 17120
User Picture  		      Re: Lab Explosions     

smoking around ether smile 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Hive Bee)
06-13-00 23:04
No 17124
User Picture  		      Re: Project 7 (2-C-T-7) Is anyone joining?     

This is a good place for it, inconspicous back here.
Id like input from knowledgeable bees on this so we can close this thread, this is not stuff that should stay up!
Fuchem please delete your post sometime soon. 
Out of courtesy to the bees who were named

"Sometimes i say things i wouldn't do, thats the beauty of Amerika" 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 03:24
No 17180
User Picture  		      Re: Methyl Mans MDMA synth     

Yeah...it's because the molar amount of mercury needed to coat the Al is extremeley small, something like .001g (I am quoting Bright Star, possibly incorrectly) I do not know exactly what advantages are gained by using more or less Hg, but these numbers are the result of trial and error on the part of Mr. A, and so I would trust them. 		 
 
 
 
    CHEMHACKER
(Stranger)
06-14-00 03:34
No 17184
User Picture  		      Re: Lab Explosions     

the best things Ican tell you are dont use a flame .  Go with a mantle . Use heat tape .
the most even and safe heat source is an oil bath. Use an electric utensil.Believe it or
not a restaurant deep fryer is a mighty fine tool. I dreamed of using Mobile 1 synthetic.
When you first raise the temp it smokes a little but it can attain much higher temps
in comparison  with cooking oils and the like. Water works but only 100 c.
IF ...you use ether solder any electric connections you may have in your works.
Other petroleum distilates and solvents can also start fires.  STAY AWAY FROM FLAME
AS IT CAN BE DANGEROUS. ALSO dont work when your DINGY. Peace
                                                                                        Chemhacker 		 
 
 
 
    super_bee
(Newbee)
06-14-00 03:48
No 17187
User Picture  		      Re: 2450's     

what are you too cheap to buy a couple of the fuckers and weigh them yourselves i will but it will cost ya a quarter oz.

MOPAR OR NO CAR!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 04:11
No 17194
User Picture  		      Re: Storage of chile     

Freeze that shit!


Drugs are bad, M'kay? 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Addict)
06-14-00 04:27
No 17199
User Picture  		      Re: I2     

Yeah! But we are too lazy to give it to you!

One Pissed Bee! 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Addict)
06-14-00 04:53
No 17209
User Picture  		      Re: Lab Explosions     

Always have a fan blowing to disperse vapours!

One Pissed Bee! 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 08:32
No 17269
User Picture  		      Re: BZP stuck in solution!!     

Yes. From what I hear, BZP freebase foarms the carbonatesalt with air. If you leave it out, it turns solid. But it may take a while for large amounts at a time. Also somebody else pointed out that, doing this would also evap some nasty solvents from the base.

I recall also reading somewhere, that the HCl salt is preferable to the carbonate. Why?

-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-14-00 12:58
No 17328
User Picture  		      Re: Cathode using Festerlytic Reduction     

Disclaimer: I am not a scientist.

Hydrogenation (electro or otherwise) to reduce eph usually requires a palladium catalyst, which is why I said above that even if silver worked as an electrode to produce enough hydrogen (which it would), you may not be able to get around using some form of palladium catalyst. There may be ways to reduce ephedrine without a palladium catalyst on a scale this small, but it is not as simple as swapping silver for palladium. For the amount of money you will spend experimenting, you could afford a piece of palladium foil or even an ingot or coin. So unless you are planning on months of failure, you might as well forget about silver or any other metal and just save up for some palladium. If you buy some, you'll always have it because it will last forever.

Absolute (the ausi bee) said he did it with silver. Maybe he knows something no one else does. He got something from his reaction, but I don't know what it was.

~~Badass . 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-14-00 14:59
No 17368
User Picture  		      Re: Cathode using Festerlytic Reduction     

Correct me If I am wrong, but you will need a palladium anode in order to plate something.

~~Badass . 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 15:04
No 17371
User Picture  		      Re: what happened to windowpane (gel)?     

ditto. but i think it goes in phases/cycles.  they'll come back eventually (i think) 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 15:08
No 17372
User Picture  		      Re: Simple synth for beginners???     

to practice simple chemistry get BZP freebase and convert it to BZP HCl.  Easy and educational! 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 15:15
No 17377
User Picture  		      Re: various lab stuff- where to get?     

So I'm hearing two separate ways to acquire lab materials:

BUT, how is one supposed to PAY CASH and order lab stuff online at the same time?  Suggestions? 		 
 
 
 
    Ares
(Stranger)
06-14-00 16:00
No 17391
User Picture  		      Re: what happened to windowpane (gel)?     

Geltabs have been gone from my area for almost 8 months. The last color that was around was red. And before that green/blue. I can't even find papers. MY AREA IS DRY!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 19:30
No 17430
User Picture  		      Re: safrole roll call     

anyone?

-------
purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 20:03
No 17447
User Picture  		      Re: Ergot     

It don't look as hard as Zephler says.  You have to find a culture of ergot in a rye field(shown in detail, somewhere on the net) cultivate and extract the goods.  This actually seems like the hardest part.
Acquireing some of the chems may be difficult.
Also having that much LSD could really have an affect on your mind. Play safe.
All in all hes right, if you find a good sheet just buy it and you should stay happy for a little while.


"If you can't make cookies without burning them you shouldn't be here" 		 
 
 
 
    rollin
(Stranger)
06-14-00 20:10
No 17451
User Picture  		      Re: Simple synth for beginners???     

In my opinion, stay away from Pihkal. Too complex for a newbie. Try TS II, and get Zubricks 4th edition and read till you understand the basics of how distillations work and why. Do you have a copy of B/S synth? That is the one I use.

rollin,rollin,rollin 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-14-00 21:26
No 17468
User Picture  		      Re: methanol (67-56-1)     

methanol is great if it's anhydrous.  I don't know if your's is but you can always dry it with baked epsom salts. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-14-00 23:27
No 17498
User Picture  		      Re: Penicillin & MDA     

There is no interaction between MDA and penicillin, but I would advise you not to take any drugs while you are sick anyway.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    drunkenmaster
(Stranger)
06-14-00 23:46
No 17503
User Picture  		      Re: Bromosafrole explained, please?     

wow chem_guy, maybe i should say bunk_guy, or chem_bunk.  48% aqueous SUCKS! IT DOES NOT WORK!(worth a shit).  nutmeg is crap too, so, mix 48% aq. HBr and nutmeg oil, and flush twice.

the competition between water and HBr is too great. 70% HBr/CH3COOH is the way to go, 90%+ yield for bromosafrole.  i will compile a writeup for this, look for it here real soon. today.:) 		 
 
 
 
    drunkenmaster
(Stranger)
06-15-00 00:04
No 17508
User Picture  		      Re: How would one build an aspirator?     

ONE WAY CHECK VALVE.  aka pcv (positive crankcase valve).  attatch this to the side of a tube which will fit desired water source.  the inlet of check valve attatches (by vacuum hose which can be found in the same place as the pcv) to desired laboratory implement.  it's just that easy:)  this unit should pull 27"Hg @ 16psi.
oh, by the way you can also purchase a vacuum test guage at the same place where the pcv and hose came from:)
pcv  $5.99
vacuum hose 6'  $12.98
vacuum test guage, up to 30"Hg  $32.95
total cost= $51.92
vacuum aspirator with paper trail and no vac. hose or guage- $15-$75 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-15-00 02:27
No 17543
User Picture  		      Re: ephedra vs. ( pseudo)ephedrine     

ephedrine and pseudoephedrine aren't mirror images of each other. They are diastereoisomers rather than enantiomers.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    WildCaT187
(Stranger)
06-15-00 02:46
No 17551
User Picture  		      Re: ghetto annie     

You state that it wasn't as strong as you had hoped, witch leads me to believe alot of over/unreduce e left in there. Is anyone familiar with any solvents that would seperate the wanted product from the over/unreduced e?As far as to your judgement of quality frost, is it on par with good street gogo or not?

|--
|-or informational purposes only. The author 
| assumes no liability whatsoever. 		 
 
 
 
    sinsemillia
(Stranger)
06-15-00 03:39
No 17567
User Picture  		      Re: ghetto annie     

where would i find the complete ghetto annie method 		 
 
 
 
    Bwiti
(Newbee)
06-15-00 04:13
No 17589
User Picture  		      Re: methylphenidate     

Thanks. Yeah, you're right....I don't consider it to be a recreational drug anymore either, but at least it keeps me awake through my shift at work. In my dreams, I hate to waste precious meth for that purpose. cool 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Hive Bee)
06-15-00 04:32
No 17594
User Picture  		      Re: Methyl Mans MDMA synth     

I guess less surface area and less Hg makes sense.

I say that it was based on on using thicker aluminum because in TSII the aluminum mentioned was thicker than heavy duty Reynolds.

To be sure, based on lab observation, if you add too much Hg salt to the heav. duty Reynolds, one will end up with an impotent sludge of Al that the Ket. is dripping in.

Os: What do you mean by higher product loading ? Would you still use the same mass of Al when using thicker Al ? Do you mean the total reaction time will take longer ? 		 
 
 
 
    methmonster
(Stranger)
06-15-00 04:58
No 17604
User Picture  		      Re: Tincture Conversion     

SWIM would use the muriatic!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Hive Bee)
06-15-00 05:03
No 17608
User Picture  		      Re: Asarone and Performic     

How essential do ya think distilling before wacking is?  Any tips on distillation?  Os, I didn't know you had experience with this.  I've been talking to Randolph and he can be quite cryptic.  Help a bro out.

I don't think anybody has done the benzo wack on asarone.  I think we'll have closure on the success of that method soon...... 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Hive Bee)
06-15-00 05:50
No 17618
User Picture  		      Re: I2     

Much thanks Osmonium
I knew there was lots of knowledge out there.
Glad someone finally came through


"If you can't make cookies without burning them you shouldn't be here" 		 
 
 
 
    mad_meth_man
(Stranger)
06-15-00 06:21
No 17628
User Picture  		      Re: Anhydrous Ammonia from Merck ...     

very tempermental people

I guess I will not help then

I know very much what the contents of a liquid annie tank would be, I was trying to help some of the others benifit on a little knoweledge on how to better condence the gas to a liquid whem making it themselves.

And no I have never had a sucessfull rxn and I never will. I have no interest in making drugs just the chemistry and knoweledge part of it.But I have a unit down in the basement that I can liquify nitrogen with.

Nothing is imposible.
Some things just have yet to be done. 		 
 
 
 
    sassy_sucker
(Hive Bee)
06-15-00 06:22
No 17629
User Picture  		      Re: Essential oils -constitutions     

Definatly go with the American. 		 
 
 
 
    Mr_Smith
(Stranger)
06-15-00 06:32
No 17634
User Picture  		      Re: why bother synthesizing NaGHB for liquid?     

GHB sounds like a very simple organic compound.  Just out of curiosity, what's the most archaic, "alchemical" method for it's synthesis. Could one start with, say, a stick of butter? It might come in handy one of these days, considering all the silly rules and regulations. They could never outlaw a stick of butter,.... could they?!?

When butter is outlawed, only outlaws will have butter. The rest of you will have margarine. 		 
 
 
 
    entheopimp
(Stranger)
06-15-00 06:47
No 17637
User Picture  		      Re: methanol (67-56-1)     

New to this, please explain the purpose of "baked" epson salt. and is this what it implies, baking the epson salt first? Also, not to go on, but I had a dream of using this for extraxtion from mimosa. Hypotheticaly, if one were to use this for dmt extraction from mimosa, how well would it work and how would you best do it. If not then what is the best extraction technique> I have read of a few different methods. But would rather know the best way from the begining.
Of course, this is all hypothetical, for curiosoty fulfillment only. I would never do anything illegal. Nor urge anyone else to either.

E.P.

The Bible.... "mans greatest fictional achievmetn ever..." 		 
 
 
 
    nahum
(Stranger)
06-15-00 07:04
No 17640
User Picture  		      Re: rolls in texas     

try www.pillreports.com (best by far)
or
www.dancesafe.org
or
www.ecstasy.org
lots of info on pills in certain areas 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Stranger)
06-15-00 07:29
No 17643
User Picture  		      Post deleted by akafryguy     

 
 
 
 
    Lilienthal
(Moderator)
06-15-00 10:21
No 17663
User Picture  		      Re: Shrooms + alcohol reaction?     

Air - nor reaction smile. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-15-00 12:35
No 17690
User Picture  		      Re: colloidal Pd soln. for wacker     

Hold on buddy!

The Pd(2+) is reduced to elemental Pd(0) during the wacker oxidation, and the CuCl2/O2 mixture acts as the reoxidiser for the Pd(0), making this reaction catalytic. The Pd(2+) is definitely needed here, Pd(0) will not oxidise an alkene to a ketone.
The colour changes have nothing to do with the inorganic ingredients, and PdO2 doesn't exist to my knowledge. You are doing a reaction with a natural product, don't expect it to remain clear and not change its colour. A few PPM of impurity can easily change the colour of a reaction completely. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-15-00 14:20
No 17709
User Picture  		      Re: Looking for Peop's with info on these chems!     

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/pharmacology/bzp.txt
http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/pharmacology/phenylpiperazines.txt

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Hive Bee)
06-15-00 14:30
No 17710
User Picture  		      Re: Is Chinese or American Sassy OK? (vs. Brazil)     

So is there any list of approximate safrole content for the different nationalities? I checked the safrole faq but didn't see anything like that.

So I guess we should just get the cheapest then? 		 
 
 
 
    dirtybastard
(Stranger)
06-15-00 15:05
No 17718
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA, whats the best way?     

Can anyone comment on using the BrightStar/MethylMan/Dr. Gonzo methods? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-15-00 15:24
No 17721
User Picture  		      Re: why bother synthesizing NaGHB for liquid?     

GBL + NaOH => GHB, sodium salt (that's in the picture above)

GHB, sodium salt + HCl => NaCl + H2O + GBL (and NOT GHB free acid, as one could imagine)

GBL + H2O <=> GHB free acid (this reaction is an equilibrium, catalyzed by acid. At least 90% of it is in the form of GBL, and you cannot shift the equilibrium).

Smith: Rancid butter contains butyric acid, but it lacks that needed 4-hydroxy group).

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    dollarbillzone
(Stranger)
06-15-00 16:10
No 17739
User Picture  		      Re: Snow into Hail..What the Hell?     

Well I hear what you are all saying. But I do remember reading here that if proper care is taken in the cook, then no purification is needed. Besides unobtanium, I DO NOT USE! Never have, I have only dreamed in very large amounts. As long as most users do not care what residue is left behind or even what color the product is, then I assume Most cooks will not have to go the x-tra yard. Product is not like weed, there is no price range to deal with. A sixteenth is a C-note period. So tweakers stand up and say no to "un perfect, untweaked on dope"... Yeah, never will it happen. I do guess doing what you would call "recrystallization" or in other words "TWEAKING" is a sure fire clue to the large amounts of produt you do use.  
                             DONT GET HIGHT ON YOUR OWN SUPPLY. 		 
 
 
 
    Brasco
(Stranger)
06-15-00 16:43
No 17745
User Picture  		      Re: Safrole in Cinnamon oil?     

I read that, but there is are two ambiguities that stop me from drawing any conclusions.
Although he does point out Ceylon Cinnamon, the corresponding latin name is Cinnamomum Verum.
However, all evidence of Ceylon Cinnamon points it to being Cinnamomum Zeylanicum.
If it is indeed the same, then I am still stumped since there is no % safrol given for that listing. It could be as high as 99% to as low as 0.000001%.

With the ingenuity of the people here, I'm surprised someon hasn't already found out through actual distillation.

Brasco 		 
 
 
 
    Brasco
(Stranger)
06-15-00 16:59
No 17748
User Picture  		      Re: Bromosafrole explained, please?     

Please someone, do a write-up! 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Hive Bee)
06-15-00 18:16
No 17761
User Picture  		      Re: Asarone and Performic     

So what do ya think would be better, wacking the whole mixture and then cooling and filtering or distilling to begin with?  I am just a little worried about distilling considering I don't have a good idea of what/when to start saving.  Well, besides what you just said about the b.p. range.  Thanks Osmium. 

-the mind is a labyrinth ladies and gentlemen........ 		 
 
 
 
    super_bee
(Newbee)
06-15-00 19:36
No 17779
User Picture  		      Re: Snow into Hail..What the Hell?     

hey dude or should I say dickhead where I live and with the people I deal with their is a great difference in the price depending on the quality of what is sold the price range varies greatly the nasty collored shit can be had for about 40 to 50 a sixteenth and the high quality clear glass like crystals about 75 to 90 having consumed both the impure dirty shit that leaves the black streaks anytime I smoke it out of my pipe and the clear crystals burn slower and cleaner and taste much better than the uncleaned shit, Its assholes like you who are out for the almighty doller who dont care what kinda contamininates are in the trash that you sell for outragous ammounts of money, killing your customers with contaminants isn't good for repeate business
you really underestamate the intellegence of the average cuatomer, I dont know what part of the country you sell in but dont try and pull that bs in my part of the country ,
or you are likely to end up in the triniy river inside of a empty 55gal drum. people will pay more for quality shit than for trash that some fucking idiot trys to call meth ,
your probably one of those fuckers who cut their shit 50 to 60% also arent you
FUCKING LOOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if your just out for a buck why dont you sell crack

MOPAR OR NO CAR!!! 		 
 
 
 
    cactus
(Stranger)
06-15-00 21:47
No 17813
User Picture  		      Re: what type of glassware to get?     

Budwizard,  After you have been kidnapped by the DEA, escorted by local police to have your chemicals stolen as well as you hard drive downloaded by them and still keep the same name "cactus" you don't want to elaborate on particulars of when, how much, and where you made your dope.  I can tell you, I made far better than a birthday cake.  Thanks to the help from "The Hive" 

Uncle Fester is great far as I am concerned.  I don't know him personally, I just read 3 of his books.  He gives the names and dates of journals that backs up what he is writing.       

Live with Freedom 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-15-00 21:55
No 17816
User Picture  		      Re: Urgent ? about MDMA and 2C-B     

It depends on if you want a visual MDMA roll, or an extra empathic 2C-B trip. Start with the compound you want to dominate the experience, and drop the second pill when the first compound peaks. My personal favorite is to take 125mg MDMA and then 25mg 2C-B 2-2.5h later. No need to adjust the dosages up or down when using the combo, just stay with your usual level.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    firestorm
(Stranger)
06-15-00 22:27
No 17824
User Picture  		      Re: diethylamine     

O.K.
thank you all!
looks like i have to try both. :)
psyloxy: im sorry that you are leaving, looks like youre realy o.k. :)

CU,
firestorm

--------------------------
Sorry for my bad english! 		 
 
 
 
    Dick_Fitzbetter
(Newbee)
06-15-00 23:28
No 17839
User Picture  		      Re: what type of glassware to get?     

Dood, you have exceeded your Hive allotment of GHB-related questions! If you can tie your shoes, you can make GHB!

Just do the Placebo or Chem-R-Us method. They're basically the same. Stop sweating the details. Forget about "steam distillation", water baths, glassware, hotplates, or even a thermometer (pH paper is a good idea though). Use a teflon or silverstone-coated cooking pot on your stove. Trust me, it'll work just fine.

You heat X amount of lactone, add X amount of dissolved NaOH, stir until it reacts, boil for 5 minutes, check pH, adjust if necessary, then dilute with water to 1g/5ml.

Better yet, just drink the damned lactone! If you need a detailed procedure for measuring and pouring several ml's of lactone into a glass of orange juice, just let me know. wink



 ф¿ф 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-15-00 23:44
No 17841
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA, whats the best way?     

For a balance of ease and the use of readily available materials, use BS to get MDP2P then use MM nitro reduction.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    dirtybastard
(Stranger)
06-15-00 23:49
No 17844
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA, whats the best way?     

Thats what I was thinking,
thanks 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-16-00 00:07
No 17849
User Picture  		      Re: Cathode using Festerlytic Reduction     

what kinds of surgical equip. use the palladium?  just plating or solid?  (hella expensive equipment if pure!) 		 
 
 
 
    Krash_X
(Newbee)
06-16-00 00:25
No 17854
User Picture  		      Re: Nitric Acid UN2031     

I already have a big bottle of pure lab grade ammonium nitrate, it makes nice ice baths. 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Addict)
06-16-00 00:28
No 17856
User Picture  		      Re: Glass and Vacuum sizes!     

They don't have 24/40!
and I did those conversions for that compressor!
You did not answer one question, but thanks anyway!
I am trying to compile all this info for everyone to have a onestop answer for any glass or vac questions!
And I beleive if you read the stats of the pump it has a inline moisture trap!

One Pissed Bee! 		 
 
 
 
    StraightEdge
(Hive Bee)
06-16-00 01:52
No 17868
User Picture  		      Re: what type of glassware to get?     

Won't the lactone react with the orange juice? Should I pour it in with a beaker, a graduated cylinder, or a flask? How fast should I pour it in? How long should I stir it for? Should I heat the orange juice before I pour?

Just kidding. Well, I already ordered a balance and hotplate, I just like to play around with that stuff, maybe it will come in handy in the future. I like to be precise with shit, not to mention this is my first manufacturing (well it's more like pretend manufacturing from what I've read so far). 		 
 
 
 
    Skink
(Newbee)
06-16-00 02:45
No 17873
User Picture  		      Re: Looking for Peop's with info on these chems!     

This one comes up somewhere every month or so, it seems.  I gotta agree that these are toxic and should be left alone.  Some have reported positive results, but most have had the same horrible headache and other nasty sensations from them.
There are better things to spend time and money on, imho. 		 
 
 
 
    lessismore
(Stranger)
06-16-00 02:57
No 17874
User Picture  		      Re: best GHB synthesis recipe?     

folks after wassting ten gallons of gbl i now use 50 ml of gbl 22.225 grs of naoh could use more 1/2 cup o d h20 heat stir react bol to ensure compltet reaction after cooling ph is always 6.6 that is why im toying with more base it is good cean addictive and dangerous have ended up with three crased cars severer gashes from falling through shower glass and gashes in foheade amomg burns from cooking with barefeet no eye protctition ect. a high ph to me above 7 is bad to much unreacted naoh a low ph below 7 5-7 to me seems to levwve some gbl it is not bad dont sell it keep it to yourself these are dreams but so is life leaveas me with aboy a pint 		 
 
 
 
    lessismore
(Stranger)
06-16-00 03:00
No 17877
User Picture  		      Re: best GHB synthesis recipe?     

and my i add in my state it was legal until clinton passes his bill i still do not believe that gbl is a list one to many uses cost would be prohibitive my mother is  my supreme court 		 
 
 
 
    lessismore
(Stranger)
06-16-00 03:06
No 17879
User Picture  		      Re: best GHB synthesis recipe?     

and one last thing the dea is made up of people act like a good person no be a good person youll be allright 		 
 
 
 
    drunkenmaster
(Stranger)
06-16-00 05:28
No 17917
User Picture  		      Re: lsd alternatives     

oh well, i was afraid of that being bunk, it's just easier to get DCM.  but the TCA TFA swap souds like it's worth looking into.  it just might work, let us puff one, and contemplate this:) mp perhaps? maybe too hot? i left the merck in the outhouse, it makes good readin' out there. 		 
 
 
 
    Hematite
(Stranger)
06-16-00 08:07
No 17988
User Picture  		      Re: Snow into Hail..What the Hell?     

Had you even followed this recent discussion on the subject and actually read some of the stuff posted, you may have noticed that it was with surprise and unexpected quality improvements that some bees spent considerable time checking it out.
While you hang here, may as well learn something...it's free.
Ps. I will firmly defend even a negative thought about O.P. No matter who it's from.!
Not that this statement will mean shit to you.

regards, Hematite. 		 
 
 
 
    burntkrizpy
(Stranger)
06-16-00 11:04
No 18048
User Picture  		      Re: Witches Root     

really the only thing ive  heard of witches root was that it was valerian root,but i may be wrong i just think i read it somewhere before... 		 
 
 
 
    burntkrizpy
(Stranger)
06-16-00 11:10
No 18049
User Picture  		      Re: T shirts     

all this fucking talk how the hell can we get with you about a shirt,I tried to mail you and , NADA.....did you not ask who was intrested in one?you need to find a way we can back with you on that...I want one...later 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-16-00 11:20
No 18051
User Picture  		      Re: R/P in stump eater ???     

S/he only got one response, and it wasn't the wee hours of the god damn morning. Wait your fucking turn and one of our representatives will be with you shortly.

(grumbles something about impatient newbees and search engines)

Thank you for choosing the Hive.

Sincerely,
Hive Customer Service 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-16-00 18:35
No 18160
User Picture  		      Re: What the hell is THAT for?     

yeah soap and ketone fragrances synths are kewl,
but, making chemical explosives (acetone peroxide, nitro glyc., etc) is where it's all at.  At least that is what SWIM tells people when they get suspicious. 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-16-00 18:42
No 18164
User Picture  		      Re: methanol (67-56-1)     

Use the search engine for details, drying with baked ep. salts is common as hell. 		 
 
 
 
    Jetson
(Hive Bee)
06-16-00 18:51
No 18168
User Picture  		      Re: methanol (67-56-1)     

I have a question somebee hopefully will help me with.  After drying w/epsom does every solvent/chem. tend to suck air back into itself or would it take a while if they were put in a realatively air tight container?  Like for example acetone?  How long would it stay anhydrous?

the devil is so lonely....mad 		 
 
 
 
    ZingoBingo
(Stranger)
06-16-00 19:04
No 18173
User Picture  		      Re: Tincture Conversion     

"Never fear, even this will make sense before long.
It is good to be a little confused, it makes you think.
I will never intentionally confuse you.  It is a language game you must learn the language of chemistry and science. The information is here,
You are never far from the answer, but sometimes you must read every word carefully over and over, until it clicks.
So when there is a point of confusion, focus upon it,  just dig in a little deeper and uncover the mystery." Grand Master Worlock

Now, O Impatient One, here is your Hook: Xtion = Question, Line: FTITK = For Those In The Know, and Sinker: Formula One = Well, like I told you, search and read...expand your horizon and look beyond the Hive, it's for your own good.  You are one URL away from catching your own fish and feeding yorself.  You want I should bait your hook for you?

ZB
Relax and go with the flow... 		 
 
 
 
    speedy69
(Newbee)
06-16-00 19:13
No 18180
User Picture  		      Re: help! Acetone wash     

drying means it is in the freezer and sealed correct?
thanks 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-16-00 19:47
No 18192
User Picture  		      Re: help! Acetone wash     

Flattery will get you nowhere.

Yes, it will still be liquid. Store bought acetone is a mixture of acetone (a liquid) and water (also a liquid). If you take out the water, you're still left with acetone (which is again, a liquid.)


¤¤Hive Community Action Response Team 		 
 
 
 
    notfman
(Stranger)
06-17-00 16:53
No 18235
User Picture  		      Re: Simple synth for beginners???     

Now that aspirin has been identified as a precurser of HI acid it is carefully monitored;-)
 Maybe Rhodium should add that synth to his page.

I am not Fman 		 
 
 
 
    Jetson
(Hive Bee)
06-17-00 17:06
No 18237
User Picture  		      Re: methanol (67-56-1)     

sounds retarded, gee thanks, but you knew wtf I meant(the water from the air).  I was typing in a hurry and wasn't thinking.  Anyway thanks for the info.

the devil is so lonely....mad 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-17-00 17:45
No 18251
User Picture  		      Re: 4-methylaminorex (u4ea, ice)     

You mean you can't move a topic from here? Haha.

¤¤Hive
¤¤Community Action Response Team 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Hive Bee)
06-17-00 18:26
No 18258
User Picture  		      Re: Secret #2 Test batches..     

Yes the small batches can be done but in my dream I say it is not at all worth it if you loose any(you most likely will) you end up with shit....

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-17-00 19:10
No 18265
User Picture  		      Re: HELP ON YABA     

Yaba is a street name for methamphetamine. Thus Yaba is on topic only in the Crystal meth forum. Go there.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-17-00 19:19
No 18272
User Picture  		      Re: Aldehyde and Nitroethane Catalysis ???     

Anhydrous ammonium acetate, or ethylenediammonium diacetate

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/henryrxn.txt

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-17-00 19:32
No 18283
User Picture  		      Re: 4-methylaminorex (u4ea, ice)     

4-methylaminorex uses the immensely toxic compound cyanogen bromide in its synthesis. I bet that it really isn't that much better than meth, and much harder to synthesize.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Krash_X
(Newbee)
06-17-00 19:33
No 18284
User Picture  		      Re: Anhydrous Ammonia from Merck ...     

I should have known that... I mean the name said it all. Lets see hydrous anhydrous, which one has water in it. 		 
 
 
 
    SicBOY420
(Stranger)
06-17-00 20:53
No 18308
User Picture  		      Re: Growing ephedra shrubs     

don't flame me jackass! if you used the search engine before flaming, you (person with an iq of 2) would see that this topic has not been discussed before. thats why i asked the fucking question retard!! 		 
 
 
 
    PEYOTE
(Stranger)
06-17-00 21:02
No 18309
User Picture  		      Re: ABOUT METHYLENATION OF ortho-diphenol-derivates     

ok, you're right, in fact i have asked this way (with CH2O) to a friend that studies pharmacy, and he said the same things... but i have tried to ask this,
however... thanks rhodium....!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-17-00 21:11
No 18314
User Picture  		      Re: help! Acetone wash     

Flattery of moderators is the key to success here at the Hive. Large anonymous donations to my bank account in Switzerland will get you even further.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Jetson
(Hive Bee)
06-17-00 22:31
No 18334
User Picture  		      Re: 4-methylaminorex (u4ea, ice)     

thank you.  sorry for my ignorance I forgot about your site.wink

one pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small 		 
 
 
 
    PEYOTE
(Stranger)
06-17-00 22:35
No 18336
User Picture  		      Re: Amphetamine from Phenylalanine     

and the one that mother gives you don't do anything at all... 		 
 
 
 
    Ritter
(Stranger)
06-17-00 22:51
No 18342
User Picture  		      Re: dichloro-allylbenzes     

Yes this is the old Ritter from back in the day!  Been lurking for a while and figured it was finally time to show my face again.  Will get the ref tonight. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-17-00 23:10
No 18349
User Picture  		      Re: Amphetamine from Phenylalanine     

can the phenylalanine be decarboxylated in a high boiling ketone?  swim thinks that this has been previously covered, but is asking anyway 		 
 
 
 
    scarmani
(Stranger)
06-17-00 23:16
No 18352
User Picture  		      Re: POPPER FROM ACETONE     

ahaha this sounds like you have spent too many years doing post-graduate studies in Rube Goldberg synthesis.

__________________________________________
buy more than one fish and put a lid on your tank. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-17-00 23:22
No 18355
User Picture  		      Re: Amphetamine from Phenylalanine     

Obituary: Yes, but you will end up with phenethylamine, which is of no use.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Newbee)
06-17-00 23:58
No 18365
User Picture  		      Re: rolls in texas     

"Also dont buy anything in capsuls."

I'm sorry, but I would have to object to this, because couple good friends of my girlfriend said that the infinities, which are capsules, are very good except that they are low in their dosage.

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    Nutmeg238
(Hive Bee)
06-18-00 01:12
No 18382
User Picture  		      Re: totarol     

Totalciclina, totapen, totazina and totomycin, but not totarol, are in the the Merck Index ninth edition (in the cross index of names in the back of the book) which I keep behind me when web surfing.  Are any of these related to it? 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
06-18-00 01:51
No 18396
User Picture  		      Re: Amphetamine from Phenylalanine     

You also MUST protect the amino group aswell. 		 
 
 
 
    FILO
(Newbee)
06-18-00 04:18
No 18437
User Picture  		      Re: Ancient Route: Atropine --> Cocaine?     

O.K. after jimson weed is pulverized in Blender what solvant is needed to get the Atropine? after the atropine is removed from plant material does it or can it be Crystalized? Somebody talk me through this 		 
 
 
 
    Fatass
(Stranger)
06-18-00 05:42
No 18456
User Picture  		      Re: Optimus Prime Busted     

Re: decomposing controlled substances

Unfortunately decomposing a controlled substance is rarely 100%,
like most chemical reactions.  I recall that this paper examined a soln
of bleach and a controlled substance (cocaine).  There was no cocaine,
but there was a MIXTURE of compounds.  Any compound alone could
be explained, but if they can find twelve compounds all which lead back
to a controlled substance you're screwed.  Remember, they can identify
compounds down to the picogram.  I think the point to remember is,
if the gov't wants to take you down, you're going down, unless you can
afford a legal budget equal to the DA's office, it's no match. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-18-00 05:58
No 18458
User Picture  		      Re: POPPER FROM ACETONE     

insert small probe into anus and work for a while, follow with successively larger probes until not anally retentive.
don't post with all caps, and take the criticism a little more light-hearted- they *usually don't mean to insult you 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
06-18-00 06:11
No 18461
User Picture  		      Re: Amphetamine from Phenylalanine     

To protect from the formation of aziridines. The hydrogens on the nitrogen -NH2 are acidic. 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-18-00 07:22
No 18469
User Picture  		      Re: BIRCH/PPA ?     

The chemist who did the write-up on Rhodium's page reckons the birch works with PPA. There is no reason to believe it wouldn't. It produces amphetamine rather than meth, though. PPA is phenylpropanolamine, the same as pseudo without the methyl group stuck to the nitrogen. So it's a primary amine rather than a secondary amine.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
06-18-00 07:34
No 18471
User Picture  		      Re: thing that goes on the bottom of the sep funnel?     

You can use a #4 rubber stopper (drilled with a larger hole) or a proper 24/40 addition funnel. It is possible to drip stuff right down the condenser as well.  (it's not pretty, but it works) 		 
 
 
 
    Mr_Smith
(Stranger)
06-18-00 08:04
No 18476
User Picture  		      Re: Ancient Route: Atropine --> Cocaine?     

Upon further consideration:

Not to sound preachy, but this is really important; a concentrated datura extract is something to be respected.  Medieval witches used to make crude ointment out of this and similar plants and just rub it on their wrists, ankles, and genitals to hallucinate.  A *single drop* of extract falling on your skin could mess you up.  A larger spill could keep you tripping for days, or kill you.  If, hypothetically, one were to attempt synthesizing something else out of these alkaloids, any product could contain them as impurities. With all respect, please be careful, and run any uhmm.... magical outcomes, by Rhodium or somebody, to make sure nobody dies. 		 
 
 
 
    PEYOTE
(Stranger)
06-18-00 08:33
No 18481
User Picture  		      Re: YABA: WHATTA IS?     

I'm very sorry for the CAPS, but usually I use TELNET to connect to HIVE, and so I understand better than using small caps... I apologize again.... 		 
 
 
 
    SQUIDIPPY
(Newbee)
06-18-00 09:15
No 18491
User Picture  		      Re: Ratios,Ratios,Ratios,???     

3-E, 3-I, 1-P, will yield good results every time.    or so  I've heard............

Hear No Evil,
See No Evil,
Speak No Evil !!! 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-18-00 11:35
No 18521
User Picture  		      Re: Nitric Acid UN2031     

Nutmeg: No, with that you would produce amyl nitrate. Amyl nitrite you get from amyl alcohol/H2SO4/NaNO2.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-18-00 12:30
No 18535
User Picture  		      Re: Foster Beer Ergot     

Can you tell me how to get bananadine out of bananas? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-18-00 12:44
No 18537
User Picture  		      Re: getting Vitride, a novel reducing agent     

It is in the Aldrich and Acros catalogs under the name "Red-Al". 50g $20 from www.acros.be

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-18-00 13:37
No 18541
User Picture  		      Re: Need alternative reduction way!     

Which reduction are you talking about? For MDMA, the amalgamated aluminium should be cheaper. Also hydrogen on a Pd/C is effective in many circumstances. I guess that would require an initial outlay of cash but not much in the long run.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    whitefluf
(Hive Bee)
06-18-00 16:30
No 18554
User Picture  		      Re: Removal of fillers and binders in Ritilin     

The best rits are the SR name brand pills.  They have CIBA 16 printed on'em I think.  Peel the white coating of and everything in the pill dissolves.  I dont mind binder and colors and all thatother shit as long as it dirsapears quickly in water and there isn't so much of them that I have to use a ladel(sp). 		 
 
 
 
    Lysergic25
(Newbee)
06-18-00 17:20
No 18558
User Picture  		      Re: what happened to windowpane (gel)?     

That's pretty wierd, it seems that jellies grow on trees there, or so it seems...  Plentiful and colorful panes.  I dunno, I think it's a question of how hard one strives to find them.  Most of the paper here has that jello body load effect of someone just extracting woodroses and putting them on blotter.  Plus the gels are getting quite pricey, since it seems like no one can get them anywhere else...  Anyone near Philly know what I'm talkin about?

control for smilers can't be bought 		 
 
 
 
    Methaco_s_mic
(Newbee)
06-18-00 19:33
No 18598
User Picture  		      Re: PP Tanks     

Placebo - Damn you might be right. I'm not even sure I know what a PP Tank is.

-Methaco(s)mic 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Newbee)
06-18-00 19:43
No 18603
User Picture  		      Re: rolls in texas     

"Your over looking the obvious, the dosage could end up even lower rather easily. It doesn't take much thinking for some jackass to figure out he can open up the capsule and replace some of the contents with cereal fillers, animal by-products, or other assorted nasties that he just happens to have laying around."

Your absolutely right, that is why it is important one obtains them from a trusted source.  Lately though, the only way one can stretch the capsules is by literally breaking them open and replacing them with the stretched product.  Around here, the capsules were very common back in the day, until one day couple assholes decided to buy whole bunch of them and stretch them, but now they are back after all the hype and currently no one is complaining, at least not in the club scene.

Take it easy Hey_Man!!

Regards,

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    Epikur
(Stranger)
06-18-00 20:39
No 18623
User Picture  		      hey_man     

I just wish we could get ride of this delinquent hey_man. How could a person like he ever become a Pimp @ the Hive??? hey_man, are you on scopolamine or what's your problem??? I've never seen or heard anything proper from you.

AND NO, YOU'RE NOT THE BEST, YOU'RE THE WORST. 		 
 
 
 
    PEYOTE
(Newbee)
06-18-00 20:48
No 18626
User Picture  		      Re: Help on Phenyl-idrazine     

thanks Rhodium! 		 
 
 
 
    Nutmeg238
(Hive Bee)
06-18-00 21:08
No 18634
User Picture  		      Re: thing that goes on the bottom of the sep funnel?     

You can wrap rubber stoppers with teflon tape, too.  Teflon is more inert.  Also, you can use cork borers to make holes in rubber stoppers.  Use lubricant if needed.  You should have a cork borer sharpener, too, since they get dull easily. 		 
 
 
 
    Malcontent
(Stranger)
06-19-00 01:56
No 18682
User Picture  		      Re: ghetto annie     

Just wondering if we were going to continue this conversation.  I am very anxious to hear from someone about my question regarding getto annie. 		 
 
 
 
    simonsays7
(Stranger)
06-19-00 01:57
No 18684
User Picture  		      Re: The Povidone Myth     

I agree with you about the push pull, it can work great but sometimes it just sucks back.
When removing the Providone on the last step of the A/B, you mean the cold pills right?  I think right after that sentence you said you can let the ph go below 7 just acetone wash.  These are not flames or critiques just around here one could by suda 300 30 mg red hots for $5.19 but they have Providone in them, so we stay away.

Thanks Anym 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-19-00 02:25
No 18697
User Picture  		      Re: P2Pol from acetaldehyde     

Yes - give us that page.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Woodrow
(Stranger)
06-19-00 11:49
No 18851
User Picture  		      Re: What happened     

thanks.
the first dream i added salt and got about .75g
next time no salt 0g

this time i will try toluene or xylene 		 
 
 
 
    sinsemillia
(Stranger)
06-19-00 12:13
No 18858
User Picture  		      Re: any way ?     

no no no guys once again unobtainium do you seek pleaseure in being an ass hole now to the point i have already had the reaction and i think maybe i might still have ephedrine instead of meth ok now that beeing siad since i have never tasted ephedrine or meth how do dtermine if my product ccontains ephedrine or not 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 12:38
No 18867
User Picture  		      Re: THC acetate     

Well SWIMed to isomerize with conc hcl, the oil was dissolved in MeOH, turned slightly darker upon addition of conc. H2SO4,(isomerized? hopefully). 
Tried to make AA from GAA, ran small metal tube through tube furnace designed for sterilization of innoculation instruments, passed acetone vapor through this into GAA, a thick white fog forms over GAA. Boiled approx 40ml acetone for 20ml GAA.  Didn't bother purifing the resulting AA.

Added large excess of AA mixture to my hash oil disolved in MeOH.  Heated for approx 15 mins boiling the MeOH.

Added 20 ml H2O, mixture immeadeatly turns cloudy white.

Added 50 ml dichloromethane(DCM), heated to boiling, this seemed to be a neat way to get good mixing for the extraction.(SWIM has a very good fume hood, don't try this at home)

Separated in sep funnel, result yellow brown oil.
Performed 1 more extraction, no noticeable color to this one.

The mixture is evaporating right now.   Swim is going to bring some over for a taste test.



"trip not equal to tryptamine, tryptamine equals trip" 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
06-19-00 12:55
No 18873
User Picture  		      Re: Fisher @60°??     

Fluka had it last time I checked. 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Newbee)
06-19-00 13:24
No 18884
User Picture  		      Re: ghetto annie rec.     

Frost I have a question that may seem somewhat ignorant But I have read all the post on Bloods method and i havent got this clear yet do you use the gas that builds up in the bug sprayer ? Or does a person use the Lye amonia in the bug sprayer in liquid form. just out of common sence i thought a person would condence the gas into a flask in a Dry ice acetone bath? but if im wrong please correct me. thank you in advance Frost. 		 
 
 
 
    element109
(Newbee)
06-19-00 13:30
No 18888
User Picture  		      Re: PTC's     

These can be ordered through your pharmacy/druggist in many European countries:

tetraethylammoniumbromide
cetyltrioctylammoniumbromide

Don't be suprised if you can order them only per kilo.


E109- 		 
 
 
 
    sinsemillia
(Stranger)
06-19-00 13:42
No 18891
User Picture  		      Re: Where did this gack come from?     

im sorry i forgot how sensitive every one at the hive is i meant my answer 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-19-00 14:36
No 18909
User Picture  		      Re: PHENOLPHTALEIN     

Yes it is a laxative, as well as a pH indicator. It is colorless below pH ~9 and pink above that pH.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
06-19-00 16:33
No 18941
User Picture  		      Re: Bright Star's Vacation     

I'm back ... Thanks for being patient.

I'll submit my expence account in a few days.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 16:43
No 18948
User Picture  		      Re: The Perfect Combo     

Can this be at all healthy??!??! 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 16:48
No 18950
User Picture  		      Re: Measuring techniques     

If you are too poor or cheap to buy a nice three place balance, weigh a sample of your target weight. Then volumetrically quantify it. Be sure you standardize this by compressing the powder or your "measurements" can get all shitty. Go to your local hobby shop and pick up some small brass tubing (or SS if they have it). Use a small piece of this as a "powder dipper". You will not acheive the same level of accuracy as us bees with five place analytical balances, but then you don't really care about that, now do you?smile

Drugs are bad, M'kay? 		 
 
 
 
    jesus
(Stranger)
06-19-00 17:09
No 18952
User Picture  		      Re: a revolution in amphetamine synthesis ??     

I'm pretty sure it will.

/jesus 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 17:10
No 18953
User Picture  		      Re: Measuring techniques     

get a diamond scale. They cost under 20 bucks and can weigh 1/20 gram incremements....
Plus, if you hate the metric system you can weigh your shit in carats... 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 17:22
No 18957
User Picture  		      Re: The Perfect Combo     

no, but neither are alot of things we do...

for those that try this, keep an eye on body temp.  yohimbe throws a wrench into the bodies feedback system and there could be potential of malignant hyperthermia. 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 17:44
No 18964
User Picture  		      Re: Tramadol     

oh- and...

we can factor out any placebo effect with my experiences.  I was given it for foot problems (5" heels do unspeakable things to feet), and was told it was a new NSAID-like analgesic.  I was figuring it was a COX-2 inhibitor or something along those lines, and I was staying with a relative while apartment hunting and didnt have any ref material to read up on it.  It never did anything for pain, and one night I popped a handful looking for any degree of relief and copped a pleasant buzz. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 17:50
No 18966
User Picture  		      Re: a revolution in amphetamine synthesis ??     

lithium and mg compounds essentially react the same way in this context 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-19-00 18:05
No 18972
User Picture  		      Re: Security Update: Fixed     

nothing at wiretrip.net is working. he sent me a link to them yesterday and i still haven't seen it yet. 		 
 
 
 
    Zipp
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 18:05
No 18973
User Picture  		      Re: go to bluelight     

http://www.dancesafe.org

If it's not listed here, why don't you be helpful to the "cause" and send one in. 		 
 
 
 
    Krash_X
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 18:26
No 18980
User Picture  		      Re: birch     

Is nh3 legal to have without a liscence? Could I go rent a tank of it without getting to much shit? where do you fill nh3 tanks anyway? 		 
 
 
 
    PEYOTE
(Newbee)
06-19-00 19:42
No 18997
User Picture  		      Re: MD-BzMgCl + MeCN?     

I'm not sure, but theoretically about 80% yield.... 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 20:11
No 19003
User Picture  		      Re: DET: would this still work ?     

Again, bee-ple: EtBr is an explosive in mixture with air. Bee careful.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Felix
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 21:01
No 19016
User Picture  		      Re: Look in the Chemistry Discourse     

I can vouch for Strike's books... do like Rhodium said. Buy "Sources", it's got all the oils, all the goodies in 'em, and where to get 'em. Chems and glassware, too. I'm tellin you, it's the yellow pages of clandestine chemistry...


"Life is just a bag of tricks!".....FtC 		 
 
 
 
    Soldier
(Newbee)
06-19-00 21:09
No 19018
User Picture  		      Re: Sodium or Lithium     

mds=Marquis De Sade? Just wondering? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-19-00 21:40
No 19033
User Picture  		      Re: LabTop modified performic method?     

I believe it is this one.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/performic.txt

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Mr_Smith
(Newbee)
06-19-00 21:48
No 19037
User Picture  		      Re: Foster Beer Ergot     

I really, really doubt Charles Manson made LSD.

If you have acess to a lot of ergot, the safest and most effective thing you can do would be to make "Kykeon" (sp?) out of it.  This is an ancient and psychoactive brew supposedly used by the ancient Greeks in obscure religious ceremonies.

1.) Fill a plastic gallon jug with as much purple-black, fishy smelling ergot as possible.
2.) Pour your beer over the ergot.
3.) Let it sit for 2-3 days.
4.) After the beer has gone flat, cap the jug and shake it up.  Let it sit around awhile longer.
5.) Put the jug in a freezer and check it often until ice crystals begin to form. After most of the liquid has frozen, pour off the remaining liquid into a jar.

This is your "Kykeon."

Be careful when experimenting with it, because it will cause:

A.) Hallucinations
B.) Vasoconstriction. (Blood flow to your arms and legs will get cut off.)
C.) Uterine Contractions (It will force you into labor if you're pregnant.)

Good luck.


Author not responsible for gangrene, miscarrages, or jumping out of windows. 		 
 
 
 
    scarmani
(Newbee)
06-19-00 21:57
No 19042
User Picture  		      Re: The Perfect Combo     

What does this whole combo do? 

I can't help but think of dietary supplements as overpriced snake oil  (I am probably wrong about this, it's just a preconception that I have.)  I know some of the ingredients in the cocktail are active,,, but...

I took 20 capsules of Saint John's Wort per day, for three consecutive days, (900mg extract, 2.7mg hypericin per capsule guaranteed).  This is supposedly an antidepressant and it had no effect on my mild depression at the time, which stayed steady through the experience.  I didn't even feel queasy, it had no percievable effect whatsoever.  If it doesn't work at 10x the recomended dose then it probably doesn't work.  I mean, if anecdotal evidence can prove a dietary supplement's efficacy, then it can also disprove it. 		 
 
 
 
    Felix
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 22:25
No 19057
User Picture  		      Re: Brown, Yellow, Red Camphor... Watched?     

No, it's a source SWIF knows nothing about. He just called 'em. The guy on the phone sounded like he really had no idea about the restrictions... but SWIF would really rather not order sass if BC is cool...


"Life is just a bag of tricks!".....FtC 		 
 
 
 
    scarmani
(Newbee)
06-19-00 22:25
No 19058
User Picture  		      Re: Phenylpropanolamine HCl (PPA) OTC     

Anyone purchased PPA for use in home chimistri?  Anyone at all?  Help?!

Damn! I think I made a mistake with the name of this thread ;)  This prolly won't go over too well with the people in charge, but my impatience compells me to do it!  See my new thread about this topic, under the title "New Chemical draws Hot Chicks to Ugly Fat Guys!" 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-19-00 22:48
No 19068
User Picture  		      Re: Xylol = Xylene??     

Yes, Xylol is the same thing as xylene.

No brand of paint stripper are exclusively DCM, you have to distil the gunk to get what you want.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Hive Bee)
06-19-00 23:16
No 19087
User Picture  		      Re: New and legal?     

Huh?

I do not get this post at all!?!

Rhodium, what are those things?

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 01:33
No 19146
User Picture  		      Re: Measuring techniques     

And remember, the more carats you ingest, the better your vision gets.
EAT YOUR VEGETABLES! Mmmm, that retard was delicious wink.

Drugs are bad, M'kay? 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
06-20-00 02:29
No 19160
User Picture  		      Re: MD-BzMgCl + MeCN?     

Yes it can. And the yield is approx 60% 		 
 
 
 
    Penis_Seinfeld
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 03:01
No 19164
User Picture  		      Re: PPA! Help!     

The phen in fen-phen is not phenylpropanolamine (PPA), it is phentermine.

PS
--
Chairman of the IAADCMSWMC and President of the MH Society 		 
 
 
 
    Grim_Reaper
(Stranger)
06-20-00 03:17
No 19170
User Picture  		      Re: Xylol = Xylene??     

Yes. Just bought some today at local hardware store. The brand name I got was Klean-Strip and it came in blue metal can. Description on side of can says 100% pure xylene.
Grim_Reaper 		 
 
 
 
    Sanger
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 04:01
No 19179
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA pill     

pillreports.com is decent if bluelight doesn't have it 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 04:04
No 19181
User Picture  		      Re: diterpenoids     

swim agrees that Rhodium's site is extremely broad in range of relevant chemistry and ideas- which is great, but new drugs are always welcomed around here (swim's area) plus, it's mostly just the interest in new plants materials and different psychoactives/highs- swim guesses that high isn't an applicable word, but has been slow to think lately 		 
 
 
 
    DevDex
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 04:08
No 19183
User Picture  		      Re: fellow aussies     

is there a substitute for CHROME TRIOXIDE?

If not how can you make it? [hehhehehehe]

D E V

Six Dead Horses Take Dev Down 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 04:38
No 19193
User Picture  		      Re: RP/I reduction: Push-pull vs. Reflux?     

wrong forum- check the meth forum, swim believes this question has already been answered elsewhere 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 04:42
No 19196
User Picture  		      Re: Which method for MDMA synth?     

bromine is nasty...

amen to that-bad memories involving chem burns b/c of partner's stupidity 		 
 
 
 
    notfman
(Newbee)
06-20-00 04:44
No 19197
User Picture  		      Re: Filters     

I just scraped 73 coffee filters and I haven't gotten shit.

Am I using the wrong brand? Mine is SLO-GO (the ones with the
snail  on the label).

I am not Fman 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 06:36
No 19215
User Picture  		      Re: Good source for pure Hg     

ok got the mercury now how do you make this into a salt

bisssssss  busssssss 		 
 
 
 
    StRaNgEdAyS
(Newbee)
06-20-00 12:39
No 19275
User Picture  		      Re: The Povidone Myth     

The new sudafed pills avaliable here cannot be A/B'ed they contain a sulphate which totally f*^ks with the extraction.  There is an extraction method which is theoretically easy (see old board) but I am still getting yeilds in excesss of the theoretical when I dream of it (which aint quite right since return should be about 80% of the theoretical) so I have a few bugs to work out.
Fortunately the chemists have taken up the torch and are producing their own brands using the old formulation nice and A/Bable.

Life is short
Live it fast
Live it hard 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 13:01
No 19280
User Picture  		      Re: Daffys Dry Run     

Formic is used as a descaler, and is also used to tan hides. Antibody is not sure but thinks it is also used in adhesives.

Look for it in industrial settings that cater to the above industries. Or maybe go direct to a taxidermist or pretend to be one.

Can no one-one comment on Daffy's Dry run?



Antibody can only repeat what antibody has gleaned from used condom wrappers! 		 
 
 
 
    oilman
(Newbee)
06-20-00 14:00
No 19291
User Picture  		      Re: Vacuum pump     

I don't wish to be a smart ass here chemman, but there is actually 25.4mm to the inch.Fuck youre only out by a mill.
oilman 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-20-00 15:23
No 19309
User Picture  		      Re: P2Pol from acetaldehyde     

What is the reference for that imine reaction?

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-20-00 15:33
No 19311
User Picture  		      Re: Dry Run     

NH3 + HCOOH => HCOO-NH4+ =heat=> HCONH2 + water

ammonia + formic acid => ammonium formate => formamide + water

The white gas is probably an impurity.

> (Is this ammonium formate generating more H2O thus dropping BP?)

Yes, this is probable. Where did your thermometer go? In the liquid or in the vapor?

You should distill your formamide. It has a boiling point of 210 C at normal pressure (but decomposes slightly to CO and NH3 above 180°C.) At aspirator vacuum it distills at 120°C.
I believe you have been successful, but I think you should remove residual water/ammonium formate by vacuum distillation.



http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
06-20-00 15:42
No 19313
User Picture  		      Re: 2C-B yield...     

NH4OAc is the ammonia salt od acetic acid (ammonium acetate) yes. It is used in many of Shulgin's synths of nitrostyrenes, just not in the one for 2C-B. It could work anyhow.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    LukeSky
(Stranger)
06-20-00 18:06
No 19342
User Picture  		      Post deleted by LukeSky     

 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 19:42
No 19368
User Picture  		      Re: Melatonin     

it is pretty expensive if you wanna go for a big lot.. but i got a bottle for 5 bucks that has 120 3mg pills.. granted its less then half a gram of the tryptamine but its not as bad as you made it sound.. hardly 80$ +x tax at all.. like he said look around.. he may've slipped a c in that mg on accident..

-------
purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 19:58
No 19373
User Picture  		      Re: Aqua Power-heads for distilling/vaccum     

SWIM has a five gallon bucket setup just like this. Using a mag-coupled coolant pump running on 120VAC and a manifold using compression fittings (all Swagelok). The manifold has a three-way valve that allows SWIM to run cool water out to a condenser, to an aspirator, or to both at once. There is also a large needle valve past the three-way on the condenser leg to throttle flow allowing either regulation of pressure in the line or increasing flow to the aspirator while still allowing flow to the condenser.

In SWIM's experience, SWIM have only had to add ice when cooling a condenser for periods exceeding ~1.5 hours. Temp of the reflux reagents for this was at or below 125c.

Additional notes on construction:
The pump was mounted on a 1/2 inch thick piece of plexiglas (scrounged from a dumpster behind TAP plastics). This in turn was mounted on the top of the bucket cover using 3/4"h x 1"dia phenolic spacers. All tubing passes through the plexi plate and through the bucket lid (drill the bucket lid holes undersize for the tubing, the tubing will seal the holes air/liquid tight).
Use an intake filter. SWIM used a pneumatic muffler. These are sintered metal cones with a male NPT stub. SWIM used a sintered stainless steel muffler that he bought at a hydraulic repair shop for $3. This was attached to the suction line by means of a compression X female NPT adapter.
Try to use a magnetically coupled (mag-drive) pump. These heads have a ring magnet mounted on the end of the motor shaft and another on the pumps impeller. The main advantage of a mag-drive pump is the fact that it has no shaft seal to wear out of replace. With proper filtration and using only dH20, these pumps will last a lifetime. Also, should you inadvertently block one of the lines of the pump, the motor will spin free of the impeller thus not burning up from the increased load.
Here are some links with prices (for pumps):
http://www.harvestsprings.com/retail.html#waterpumps
http://www.petsmart.com/products/product_799.shtml (not sure if mag)
http://www.petsmart.com/products/product_770.shtml (mag's starting @ $16)
http://www.genhydro.com/pump-magdrive.html
Check local pond supply, hydroponics, farm, and feed stores.

If you can find Tygon tubing, USE IT! It is simply the best tubing available. Stay away from the clear vinyl (PVC) tubing at the hardware store. It's walls will become a milky
white color after prolonged contact with water (no shit!). Tygon is very flexible and not that expensive when you only need 15 to 20 feet.

When using a five gallon bucket. If it has a segmented locking lid (plastic fingers all around that you cut between to open) cut off all fingers except three, 120 degrees apart  (you should have three fingers equidistant from each other). If it has a rubber ring gasket, you will want to glue it in place using silicone adhesive (let it dry before putting on bucket).

Water. If you want to keep your apparatus looking nice and clean, use only distilled water. When using ice, use only demineralized ice (or make your own from dH20). Several calls to major ice manufacturers in the DFW metro area confirmed that the bagged ice you buy in stores is not demineralized. Some firms may have it, but I found none.

SWIM also uses the unit in full aspirator mode as a fume scrubber. The aspirator will suck down any water soluble gas and create a bucket full of soln for you to neutralize and flush. This is handy for keeping your little secret in a dense urban zone.

Fuchem




Drugs are bad, M'kay? 		 
 
 
 
    KrZ
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 21:13
No 19390
User Picture  		      Post deleted by KrZ     

 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 21:17
No 19391
User Picture  		      Re: Caps, caps and more caps...     

And how will the HST dissolve in your tummy?? I wouldn't want something like that getting stuck in my colon, thank you!

Drugs are bad, M'kay? 		 
 
 
 
    SicBOY420
(Stranger)
06-20-00 22:06
No 19409
User Picture  		      Re: ChEmHacKer BiRcH     

This method works like a charm as long as the instructions are followed corectly. Although don't know about using pills with povidone in them, never had to deal with that sort of thing.

            ^^^^^KNOWLEDGE IS POWER^^^^^

~~~~~~~~~~~THE VOICE OF GOD IS GOVERNMENT~~~~~~~ 		 
 
 
 
    Jubrail
(Stranger)
06-20-00 22:15
No 19413
User Picture  		      Re: The Best Drug     

I definitely agree with your choices Rhodium
I didn't know that there were others out there who have used 5-meo DiPT which should be ranked up there with X

Visual Art: DMT (not the 5meo type)

Sex: MDMA, 5meoDiPT

Neurosis: Amanita Muscaria

Good Time: MDMA, Cannabis and good ol' Alcohol

'Fucked': Ketamine is the #1 drug for this

Visuals: Mescaline and Psylocibin

Thoughts: LSD

Body Sensations: MDMA

Audio Distortions: DIPT

Spritual Experience, w/r to Nature: Psilocybe Mushrooms

Spiritual Experience, w/r to Relationships: MDMA

Spiritual Experience, Internal: LSD

Chilling Out: Cannabis, Barbiturates, Diazepams, Tradnizones, Nicotine

Party Drug: any except for the big K

Best Legal Drug: Amanitas

Best Drug: MDMA


Rainbows & Butterflies Forever 		 
 
 
 
    doobee
(Newbee)
06-20-00 22:20
No 19416
User Picture  		      Re: mold on my shrooms     

Naah.
Psilocybin and psilocin are spread throughout the whole fungi, even the mycelium. Filter after you do the non-polar wash and you'll catch all of the material anyway 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Moderator)
06-20-00 22:47
No 19421
User Picture  		      Re: ChEmHacKer BiRcH     

Easier is subjective. You probably thought Rp/I was easy until you messed it up. 		 
 
 
 
    bornagainpagan
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 23:01
No 19427
User Picture  		      Re: 5 pointed fractles     

hehehheh no really Im curious about this the patterns evolved in the latest are odd not like any of the previous im thinking that either Ive got some really contaminated shit or my starting materials were just to messed up to get the correct reaction.

Lawz without victims serve no purpose other than to increase crime. 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Hive Bee)
06-20-00 23:07
No 19429
User Picture  		      Re: All listed and watched chemicals in the US     

"Sources is very out dated."  Don't get me wrong, it is a nice idea, but my friends' girlfriend in California has had no luck whatsoever with that book.

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    ZingoBingo
(Stranger)
06-20-00 23:44
No 19440
User Picture  		      Re: ChEmHacKer BiRcH     

Nice write up...hows the bio assay compared to rp/i?

"It doesn't get any cleaner than this, and this best part is everything can be bought at wally world" 

Fertilizer too?

ZB 		 
 
 
 
    BEELZEBUB
(Stranger)
06-21-00 00:21
No 19447
User Picture  		      Re: ethanol     

mnm, Don't you mean azeotropes? Yes they are a bitch! 		 
 
 
 
    alice_d25
(Hive Bee)
06-21-00 00:35
No 19450
User Picture  		      Re: 5 pointed fractles     

What are fractles?
Just asking cos I go some weird shaped crystals myself[also 5 pointed] and want to know how this happened?

Yours
Alice D25

"Trust in God, but tie your Camel" [Arab Proverb] 		 
 
 
 
    Grim_Reaper
(Stranger)
06-21-00 05:10
No 19509
User Picture  		      Re: PALLADIUM     

As far as Pd is concerned, check local coin/fine jewelry dealers. If they don't have it, they can probably order it. The Pb part is real easy and pretty cheap. Go to auto parts store buy several battery terminal connectors (the kind that clamp on the power wires and slip over round battery posts). Remove all of steel screws/bolts/clamps. Buy a stainless steel soup spoon with long handle and scoop that can hold several ounces. Buy yerself a propane blow torch. Gettin any ideas yet? Buy yerself a piece of 1/2 inch thin-wall steel pipe 5 inches long and a steel cap to fit on the end of the pipe (not the threaded kind). Now put the cap one one end of the pipe. Stand the pipe up vertcal with capped end down and stablize it (with something that can stand a lot of heat - like bricks). Finally, put yer battery terminal connectors in the spoon, fire up torch, heat spoon until all lead is liquid, fill the pipe up to the top with molten lead and let it cool. Finally, remove the lead by cutting open the pipe with a hack saw or dremel. Holy shit, ya got a 1/2 inch (approx.) diameter, 5 inch long lead terminal.
Grim_Reaper 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-21-00 05:19
No 19514
User Picture  		      Re: PHENOLPHTALEIN     

swim remembers hearing about the recall- what was the reason? toxicity?  		 
 
 
 
    Synthman
(Hive Bee)
06-21-00 05:21
No 19516
User Picture  		      Re: 4-ma     

I hear PMA is a very very dangerous drug. Check Erowid. It can elevate body temp to the point of brain damage, coma and organ failure.

Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-21-00 05:28
No 19525
User Picture  		      Re: RP/I reduction: Push-pull vs. Reflux?     

send swim a private message- ee'll get jou da t'ings jou need'n 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Hive Bee)
06-21-00 05:50
No 19534
User Picture  		      Re: Amphetamine from Phenylalanine     

it is sold in health food stores, in weight loss pills, OTC pharmaceuticals, and in sugar substitutes (don't know the % content on the last one though) 		 
 
 
 
    sinsemillia
(Newbee)
06-21-00 05:57
No 19536
User Picture  		      Re: hypetheticly speaking     

i think it means a mix of isomers right ?
but what i ment was a mix eph and meth ok
and thanks for the dosage info im pretty tolerant to other stimulants but i prob. for sure would have o.deed



and as for me actualy doing anything illegal i would never. i only slip into epileptic seizure like states and dream of said topics

every american citizin has the right unto the persuite of happieness 		 
 
 
 
    Grim_Reaper
(Newbee)
06-21-00 07:05
No 19557
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

Thanx wombat, SlyDog, & others! Now I have specific brand names that I can look for [and special order if I need to]. This honey dream I have is takin a long damn time. Really have to scratch and claw my way to get to it. Then again, I am an IMPATIENT little bastard. Heh heh.mad
Grim_Reaper 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Newbee)
06-21-00 08:38
No 19585
User Picture  		      Re: Electric Oxidation     

could someone post where to get festers new book?
and dont tell me to use the search, already did. Who ever post it thanks in advance. 		 
 
 
 
    PoohBear2
(Stranger)
06-21-00 11:45
No 19617
User Picture  		      Re: A Cheap Scale     

Synthman,

Yes, unfortunately I was temporarily kicked out of the Hive.  The only reason I can think of why this happened could of been a letter I wrote to BrightStar asking 'bout advice on posting a post deleted by ozbee. I think by deleting my cookies the other day, I was allowed to register a new name.

jsorex,

Thanks for the ideas. Very helpful.  As far as my need for a scale goes, I think the piece of crap I made should be adequate.  I'm not sure, but many seem to think differently about rP/I2/E ratios, so I figured what the hell. As long as I have relatively close measurements, maybe it'll go ok. My dreams gonna be in multiples of 5gm, so this scale might just work out for me.


"Bears Love HONEY, and I'm a PoohBear!" 		 
 
 
 
    foxy2
(Hive Bee)
06-21-00 13:42
No 19660
User Picture  		      Re: THC acetate     

What would suggest for an acytlation(or whatever you call it) solvent? DCM, hexane, acetone, MEK, acetonitrile?  Those are what i got in the old cabinet.
I figure ill use DCM cause the final evaporation will be fast. 
Also if i am makeing acetic anhydride by the ketene method do you think i need to purify it from the GAA? i just mixed a large excess of the resulting product mixture with my oil(the mix probably had some undecomposed acetone also)

"trip not equal to tryptamine, tryptamine equals trip" 		 
 
 
 
    oilman
(Newbee)
06-21-00 15:09
No 19685
User Picture  		      Re: P2Pol from acetaldehyde     

SWIM is able to access plenty of benzyl chloride and this method was in the back of SWIMS mind.Paraldehyde is a schedule 5 so I am led to believe so I think it would be easier to use acetaldehyde,Then again it can easily be converted to paraldehyde by the use of h2so4 .I am very,very keen on any info concerning this technique as I wish to explore this method .

Oilman 		 
 
 
 
    naka
(Stranger)
06-21-00 15:42
No 19701
User Picture  		      Re: Amphetamine from Phenylalanine     

if you reduce the cooh to alcohol (via sodium borohydride, etc.) can you then reduce the alcohol using any of the other ephedrine methods? like, which ones work and which don't? 		 
 
 
 
    dirtybastard
(Newbee)
06-21-00 16:08
No 19712
User Picture  		      Re: sassafras oil     

A sample can be obtained, a source supplies a pound for ~$35. was told that it was pure, but just wanted to know if it really was sassafras before using. Olive, peanut, etc. have distinct smells, doenst sassafras?
Where are the chemical properties of sassy found? BP, reaction with H2SO4, etc
all help appreciated 		 
 
 
 
    dirtybastard
(Newbee)
06-21-00 16:13
No 19715
User Picture  		      Re: Caps, caps and more caps...     

Ol' dirty happened to find a pharma manufaturing store and called them to buy caps. They said they dont sell them but they had some of a size that they dont use any more and Ol'Dirty could stop by and pick them up.
Just a thought.... 		 
 
 
 
    naka
(Stranger)
06-21-00 16:26
No 19721
User Picture  		      Re: ChEmHacKer BiRcH     

these birch stories all end up saying let the NH3 gas out all over the place somewhere in the middle of the desert.  What if someone bubbled the escaping NH3 gas through a bottle of vinegar and sent the rest down the drain with an aspirator?  would that work, or is there just too much to deal with? 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(irritable and cranky)
02-16-01 21:08
No 173780
User Picture  		      Re: Placebo on DRUGS?     

I don't know how the fuck this post got here!
I don't understand!

I could explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand! 		 
 
 
 
    PVnRT_NC8
(Hive Addict)
03-05-01 01:47
No 176538
User Picture  		      Re: um ok?     

well perjaps amphetamine freebase is in fact soluable into alchols i suppose it just depends and alos into stuff like um acetone this would of course depend if they were salts also???

If ya ask me i would concentrate a whole lot of effort on solubality tempature and presure saturation points concentration and azetrophic mixtures as well as distilation freezing etc otherwise your lost?

um if your ppa or whatever werre soluable into alchol is the alchol very very dry and if so then you are saying the amine will in fact not percipate well thankyou so much however it is in fact much more complex than this, the real problem a complex one is suggar i just dont use shit that has suggar in it and neither do diabetics the next thing i do is taste the stuff and i like celluloses, certainly anerobic yeasts could not be harmfull or could they, if acetylating accetyleene??? to ???
belive me um acetyleen into water forms what compounds easilly?

ishit you not sometimes they edit the net site as i view????aldehydes and ketones are often referred to as carbonyl compounds. In condensed structural formulas, the carbonyl group in aldehydes can be represented as -CHO, and formulas such as CH3CHO, for acetaldehyde, and HCHO, for formaldehyde, are often used.

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    halfapint
(Hive Bee)
05-22-01 22:20
No 196233
User Picture  		      Re: Bromoseltzer     

Well, yeah, but that's not the fun way. Electrochem is so darn gradual and safe and sane. Bee a sport, and subscribe to the acid oxidation process, or at the very least, displacement with chlorine. You can get heaps of bromine all at once, and enjoy the thrills of ducking and hiding, shucking and jiving, to try to stay away from it. You haven't lived, until you've smelled free bromine.

The chemists' credo sez not to believe in electrons, cuz they got no molecules in them. Just play along. In general, any halogen can bee liberated from its salts by an oxidizer in a mineral acid. Sulfuric acid and manganese dioxide is mentioned in my old text, so potassium permanganate would work heaps better, you bet! Or potassium dichromate. Peroxide, good stuff. Or here's one, hypoclorite, custom made for real adventures in chemistry.

Hypochlorite is a good choice, for in acid it oxidizes its own self, and liberates its chlorine. Chlorine displaces iodine or bromine from iodides or bromides. Excess is fine, for you're going to let the chlorine go (down the drain from your aspirator), but condense the bromine. Condense it cold, so you won't have to smell too much.

There I'm happy, cuz I gave you the straight dope, but still left you nervous. That's just fine, with tricky stuff like this it pays to stay a little nervous.

Edit: Agent_Smith, you didn't title your thread, when I replied I titled mine, so mine got left hanging!

Turning science fact into <<science fiction>> 		 
 
 
 
    Nino
(Stranger)
08-11-01 18:28
No 203509
User Picture  		      Re:     

hey all, many here speak of using ZoneAlarm or other names. But that's cable and DSL, correct?  What advice is there for the stoneagers that still use the good ole phone line. Or is there no way to be invisible online without cable or DSL?

Nino 		 
 
 
 
    Country_Fuck
(Clumsy_Clucker, still President, Stonium Fan Club)
10-11-01 21:20
No 223317
User Picture  		      Re:     

This subject is covered very well in the archives. If you use muriatic and foil then you're most certainly going to need to employ a scrubber because it generates significant quantities of H2O.
Son of a bitch, will ya look at that! 		 
 
 
 
    Bozakium
(Hive Bee)
11-26-01 10:45
No 240711
User Picture  		      Re: LAtimesGHBimbo     

    In reference to:

 Unlike drugs or alcohol, which can be detoxified from the body within a few days,

 YEAH, RIGHT! 		 
 
 
 
    amalgum
(Newbee)
12-04-01 05:09
No 243945
User Picture  		      Re:     

Damn I forgot all about this post.  Thanks for the insight on hydrazine though!

Any thoughts about the ester route?

Have routes using PCR's been proven to work? 		 
 
 
 
    amalgum
(Newbee)
12-04-01 05:12
No 243950
User Picture  		      Re:     

Damn, I forgot all about this post.
Thanks for the insight though!

Any thoughts on the ester route?

Have PCR's been proven to work to couple the acid and the amine? 		 
 
 
 
    amalgum
(Newbee)
12-04-01 20:01
No 244138
User Picture  		      Re:     

Damn I forgot all about this post.  Thanks for the added insight though.  Even though if SWIM were to ever dream LSD, it probably wouldn't be the hydrazine method.

Anybody ever figure out if the ester route worked? 		 
 
 
 
    dude_universe
(Hive Bee)
01-29-02 01:02
No 262019
User Picture  		      Re:     

Any snooker players here?
DU 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Stoni's sexual toy)
02-14-02 10:48
No 269586
User Picture  		      Re:     

Post a writeup before you overdose and poison yourself!
I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate. 		 
 
 
 
    Flinger
(Hive Bee)
03-20-02 10:26
No 285297
User Picture  		      SCREW OFF     

I just sampled your product and it was fucking hell.  Aside from the fact the stuff that was soluable thru the scotch brite pad and the steemer gizmo was also going right into my blood streem and passed right across the PARACHMA OF MY CRACK PIPE I AM PISSED AS HELL!!!!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    ChemoSabe
(Hive Bee)
03-28-02 22:07
No 289168
User Picture  		      Ker Plunking for quality and quantity     

That's the title the Ker Plunking thread if you need it. Can sometimes be hard to reference if you don't separate the words "Ker Plunk"

No 59240 		 
 
 
 
    pandemonium
(Hive Addict)
04-22-02 02:09
No 299985
User Picture  		      Draw your own conclusions...     

is what I said, and I damned sure do NOT need coaching in subversion, not from anyone here, I have been actively IN this conflict, longer than most of you have been alive.

Like I said, look at the new copy protection bill, and do anything you can to stop it, don't preach your childish bullshit reactionary crap to me, go read a fucking newspaper. I have referred to that bill 3 times in recent posts, within the last two weeks. If we lose the ability to communicate across borders with some degree of privacy, what happens then? Then realize we have little but a surface appearance of such privact right NOW!

I notice that bill attracted no attention whatever in this forum, and still has not...sort of odd, I think.

Are you starting to worry now that your fucking AOL mail is threatened? Bwahahahah, fucking dumbasses, Puhleeez!

Exception in your case Orgy.
The difference between theory and practice is practice... 		 
 
 
 
    pandemonium
(Hive Addict)
04-22-02 02:11
No 299987
User Picture  		      I said, think for YOURSELF!     

is what I said, and I damned sure do NOT need coaching in subversion, not from anyone here, I have been actively IN this conflict, longer than most of you have been alive.

Like I said, look at the new copy protection bill, and do anything you can to stop it, don't preach your childish bullshit reactionary crap to me, go read a fucking newspaper. I have referred to that bill 3 times in recent posts, within the last two weeks. If we lose the ability to communicate across borders with some degree of privacy, what happens then? Then realize we have little but a surface appearance of such privact right NOW!

I notice that bill attracted no attention whatever in this forum, and still has not...sort of odd, I think.

Are you starting to worry now that your fucking AOL mail is threatened? Bwahahahah, fucking dumbasses, Puhleeez!

Exception in your case Orgy.
The difference between theory and practice is practice... 		 
 
 
 
    Elementary
(Hive Addict)
04-26-02 13:14
No 301626
User Picture  		      God I feel sick     

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Nobodys home 		 
 
 
 
    JoeCool25
(Stranger)
05-06-02 19:10
No 305491
User Picture  		      Cold CAT     

Ok everything works fine for swim. The solution was clear with brown parts being in solution and settle not all down. Perhaps to less dH20 (500ml)? After 4 hours at 25c roomtemp. very easy filtering to clean transparent liquid like water. Brown trash left in filter (2 coffeefilter).
Then swim does evap. 4 hours to get oily liquid light yellow.
Add some ethanol so evap. water faster. Xstals come at 75c heat and stirring. (light yellow to light brown, but no melting), wash with acetone and xstals recovered.

So 1,5g ephedrin (250ml dH2O) + 0,574g KMnO4 (250ml dH2O)+ 3 drops HCL = how much endproduct (xstals) swim must get?

Swim have now 5g xstals but not pure white. What can swim else do to get more white (pure) xstals?

And is the big amount all KCl ?

Is there any else test for endproduct ex. burning probe?
Perhaps sombody knows a TLC test or has done it and can explan how to do on this product and what needed for ?

Anybody here knows the melting range from such impure product?

Happy for helping a green newbee. 		 
 
 
 
    Trenchcoat
(Hive Bee)
05-08-02 04:44
No 306071
User Picture  		      Thich Quang Duc     

Do you think thich quang duc was just very disciplined or actually felt no pain?
Better loving through chemistry. 		 
 
 
 
    hey_man
(LEGBA)
05-16-02 07:12
No 309237
User Picture  		      Мы поддерживаем Российский текст теперь!     

Все на этом форуме, идущем, чтобы быть по-русски?
http://www.aclu.org/issues/drugpolicy/hmdrugpolicy.html
 		 
 
 
 
    pandemonium
(Hive Addict)
05-20-02 05:48
No 311164
User Picture  		      I do see that     

and I saw it in the exchanges before, that stood out from what you do know...
if you know the enemy and know yourself, the victory is not at risk.  Sun Tzu 		 
 
 
 
    pandemonium
(Hive Addict)
05-20-02 05:50
No 311165
User Picture  		      I see little for manners     

whoever the fuck you may be, that is plain...You did not help much that is plain too.
if you know the enemy and know yourself, the victory is not at risk.  Sun Tzu 		 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
05-23-02 03:14
No 312803
User Picture  		      Interesting     

You might not expect it, but I understand what you are saying, lol.

So it is more complex than merely the stimulation of one or two neurotransmitters in the brain yielding the feeling. I understand the necessity and role of ejaculation and what leads up to it being important to the orgasmic release, but the scenario I am talking about does not involve major ejaculatory dysfunctionality.

It involves a strongly curbed "surge" (the beginning of the orgasm, the ascent to the peak) and then an extremely shortlived peak, followed by an immediate drop to absolute zero again, with not the slightest bit of afterglow that usually follows orgasm for a few minutes (in males, Ive heard it can last for hours in females).

Basically, I think my body may either be depleted of the neurotransmitters directly responsible for "having a good time" or perhaps the synapse receptors themselves have become tolerant (jesus I hope not) of these chemicals.

There is no physical dysfunction other than larger quantities of prejaculate compared to usual, and ejaculation strangely begins before the surge I spoke of earlier. This is a recent anomaly discovered only the day before yesterday, but I may have been leading up to it slowly for a few weeks now. I did not notice until recently, so it is hard to go back and recall.

The desire/urge is still present, so whatever chemicals cause that are in no short supply. laugh There is no difficulty procuring erection either, as is common with most physical dysfunction of this sort. This makes me wonder if it is neural and not genital.

                                                    PrimoPyro
Vivent Longtemps La Ruche! How's my posting? Call 1-800-EAT-SHIT 		 
 

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