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    Lilienthal
(Moderator)
10-06-98 10:00
No 313293
User Picture  		      Ghost Posts     

In this thread you can read all the 1262 posts which became ghosts (or zombies?) because their parent posts were deleted during the posting process. This is also the longest thread ever at the Hive! laugh

Even if they were not posted to the same thread originally, you may find a lot of hidden meaning here, especially under the influence of certain drugs wink.

(The door to the other reality of postings has been closed permanently...) 		 
 
 
 
    Jaq
(Stranger)
05-07-00 01:06
No 185
User Picture  		      Re: Test     

I will go there now. 		 
 
 
 
    Jaq
(Stranger)
05-07-00 01:07
No 188
User Picture  		      Re: test     

I'm there, dude. 		 
 
 
 
    Semtex
(Stranger)
05-07-00 01:36
No 204
User Picture  		      Re: GBL and pancreatic fatigue     

You term regular users as people who take it how often?  And would taking it as a suppliment rather than an inebriant make a difference? 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Stranger)
05-07-00 05:46
No 338
User Picture  		      Re: MDA synth     

yes =) 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-07-00 07:18
No 356
User Picture  		      Re: purity of ephedrine     

Any of the popular non polar solvents work, Toluene , Xylene, Naptha, Ether , hexane, and an acetone follow up to wash away any remaining non-polar

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-07-00 07:38
No 367
User Picture  		      Re: Whats all the fuss?     

Action place, why that would horrendous' bedroom, from what I been hearing.

Heet and Dri-gas are loosing it lately on purity.
So here is my last secret, this week.
Real truck stops "Bendix Brakes brand", Alcohol evaporator fluid , by the gallon or a 4 gallon case, contains some kinda flammable liquid called Methyl alcohol. Stuff has no smell that I can detect. I don't know, it might work like a charm everytime I use it , just not sure if that was it or not.

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    horrendous
(Stranger)
05-07-00 08:36
No 396
User Picture  		      Re: purity of ephedrine     

Yaba ! (an amazing impression of Worlock)
Shellite was good when I used it, seemed quite volatile but worked well.
Ps. (It worked as well as the chem skills that used it at the time.....so it wasn't put through too tough a testing ground.)

Horrendous......GGGGRRrrrooowwwwwll 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Stranger)
05-07-00 09:58
No 420
User Picture  		      Re: purity of ephedrine     

only when i was at a night club in the UK 		 
 
 
 
    dormouse
(Stranger)
05-07-00 10:28
No 430
User Picture  		      Re: aquisition method     

What makes you think that the package will be dropped off in front of the mail boxes in the lobby? Quite possibly, the package will be dropped off at the rental office if the chemical has any hazmat labels on it. 		 
 
 
 
    nonameyet
(Stranger)
05-07-00 10:53
No 440
User Picture  		      Re: ??? on yields     

Finished product was 40% weight of pseudo. 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Stranger)
05-07-00 11:28
No 456
User Picture  		      Re: Whats all the fuss?     

so whats this action place we all know?? come on you told us about heet last year so tell us about this action place 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Stranger)
05-07-00 15:16
No 537
User Picture  		      Re: aquiring through a school     

pro number one: if your asshole is loose, you won't get raped as much in prison.
con number one: see pro's

(basically if the heat comes down, she'll roll over, and you will catch the short end of the stick)
alphabeta121 		 
 
 
 
    bee1055
(Stranger)
05-07-00 17:35
No 605
User Picture  		      Re: O2 wacker progression...     

rumor around these parts is the sloshing produced by suspending the rxn jug halfway from the ceiling and tying a rope through a hole in a fan blade of a fan on the floor is sufficient.  well disclose more once UPS finally fucking shows up.. overnight my ass! 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Stranger)
05-07-00 17:49
No 611
User Picture  		      Re: Butylamine     

This may not be alot of help, but alot of time www.chemfinder.com has online ordering information for precursors.

-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    simple2
(Stranger)
05-07-00 19:18
No 668
User Picture  		      Re: Whats all the fuss?     

Also, Like Worlock said, Heet is not as pure as once believed.  That is why if you can, a bee should try to just get the Methyl from a paint supply or truck shop like Worlock stated. 		 
 
 
 
    Godsends
(Stranger)
05-07-00 19:56
No 710
User Picture  		      Re: the making     

What I am doing is the lab way of meth,where on the web can I find these products, I like to do mine the lab way.

just doing the thing 		 
 
 
 
    JedZed
(Stranger)
05-07-00 21:08
No 782
User Picture  		      Re: tweetios...     

    It might not be any good, Psyloxy.  In these mighty united states, bufotenine is schedule I.  Bufotenine, now, with the effects of serotonin poisoning.  I don't know anybody who'd "abuse" a drug to make his skin turn purple and God knows what else.
     Of course, the scheduling might be more sane or at least consistent where you are. 		 
 
 
 
    The_Stranger
(Stranger)
05-07-00 21:17
No 790
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

I thought that GBL was still legal and that GHB was what was sceduled.  Even before this shit went down many places dropped it because of the heat.

The Stranger 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Stranger)
05-07-00 21:21
No 796
User Picture  		      Re: O2 wacker progression...     

No, never used either one of those.  I was thinking, though.  Remember those old "fat melter" machines from way back, where you stand in it and wrap a belt around your waist that vibrates and jiggles your fat away?  That'd be awesome for a big big wacker, eh?  You could prolly find one at a thrift store somewhere.  The paint shaker's a good idea.  The old back massager is real cheap, though.  If you have a 1/4 sheet finishing sander, that'd work too.  Has anyone ever heard of anyone using an ultrasound jewlery cleaner? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-07-00 22:06
No 823
User Picture  		      Re: EtNH2 --> EtNO2 with dimethyldioxirane     

Interesting reference, but isn't dimethyldioxirane violently explosive? Mixtures of H2SO4/H2O2/acetone makes the primary explosive acetone peroxide (a cyclic peroxide)... Yes, H2SO5 is made from H2SO4/H2O2.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-07-00 22:38
No 857
User Picture  		      Re: is this vacuum pump worthwhile?     

If the gauge reads 26 torr or mmHg, the pump is good for evaporating solvents and distilling stuff boiling below 200°C, but for freebase distillations etc, I would reccommend something pulling at least 5-10 mmHg.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    nonameyet
(Stranger)
05-07-00 23:16
No 880
User Picture  		      Re: Red Phos     

Just a thought>>> 3rd post from the top is what makes a good thing gain notoriety and lose it's value to ppl like 'us'.  		 
 
 
 
    Exsikkator
(Newbee)
05-07-00 23:26
No 884
User Picture  		      Re: Over Seas Shipping     

To my knowledge you can declare the mail as a "sample of merchandise with a low value" (less than $10). But I don´t know how Her Majesties´ customs will handle it.

I suggest to ask your friend in England to contact the customs office and ask for the correct declaration.
The chambers of commerce and industry can help with that, too.

Cheers, Ex................
What´s a signature? 		 
 
 
 
    MaDMAx
(Stranger)
05-07-00 23:56
No 894
User Picture  		      Re: Has anyone noticed a disturbing trend...     

holy shit I didn't know sassy was schedule 1 now! I thought they were just being strong-armed into collecting the info on buyers. Just last friday I walked into a wholesale distributor place and walked away with 8 lbs for $90. I had to do a whole bunch of lying and making up info like business name and tax i.d. number, but they didn't really give me that much trouble. Unfortunately I don't think I can ever show my face at that place again because as soon as the DEA gets a hold of the paperwork they made me fill out, they are gonna be lookin for me (to no avail) 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-08-00 01:11
No 937
User Picture  		      Re: Marquis Reagent     

Marquis Reagent

Add 9 mls of concentrated sulphuric acid and 1 ml of 40 % formaldehyde solution.
OR
Add 10 mls of concentrated sulphuric acid and 10 drops of 40 % formaldehyde solution.
The colour takes about 15-30 minutes at room temperature to develop. If very gently warmed colour will develop faster.

=> means turning too.

Compound          Colour

MDA deep purple => olive green
MDMA blue-black
Amphetamine orange => brown
Methamphetamine orange => brown
Ephedrine yellow-yellow brown
Phenmetrazine green
DMT green-yellow
DET green-yellow
Mescaline orange
PCP purple
LSD grey
Lysergamide blue
Psilocybine orange
Psilocine purple-blue
PMMA no colour, white
Cocaine purple
Procaine purple-blue
2C-B green
DOM (STP) yellow-green
DOB olive green
2C-T-2 orange-brown
Heroin purple 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Stranger)
05-08-00 01:29
No 946
User Picture  		      Re: Red Phos     

Always think before you post names of suppliers, good deal's, and other helpful items because cops can be bees to just a word of advice. They have the private messages great idea...tongue

Rhodium for president 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Stranger)
05-08-00 03:13
No 1027
User Picture  		      Re: Has anyone noticed a disturbing trend...     

I guess I missed that one.  Would you happen to have a link to the wording of the legislation making this so?  I have a feeling the DEA is overstepping their power requiring social security numbers to be given in order to approve sass purchases (that's what the supplier said was required, in addition to DL info and proof of address).  While a private entity can ask for, and refuse service if you dont give, you soc.sec.#, I was under the impression that a federal agency other than the soc.sec administration and irs cannot require soc.sec.# as a form of id.  Emphasis on require.

I was aware that information was being submitted to DEA after the sale, but had never heard of the info being submitted prior to approving the sale.

zool 		 
 
 
 
    nonameyet
(Stranger)
05-08-00 06:28
No 1156
User Picture  		      Re: Pure ephedrine.     

Check the spelling... bet it's spelled ephedrEne instead of with an i....  tricky advertising gimmick, sells shitloads and they didn't misrepresent their product. 		 
 
 
 
    modesty
(Stranger)
05-08-00 08:53
No 1216
User Picture  		      Re: Methylamine cleanup info     

It recrystallizes allright. Also I read some other bee's posting that with the 95% EtOH saturated with MeAm.HCl the NH4Cl becomes far less soluble.

But the main point here is that I have asked about using methanol as a recrystallization solvent before, with no conclusive answers. And now, unless there is an error in this textbook, it seems that 95% EtOH is an even better alternative than anhydrous. I'd say this is a very good thing, as anhydrous alcohol is near impossible to get hold of for most bees. 		 
 
 
 
    Bwiti
(Stranger)
05-08-00 09:59
No 1230
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

In my dreams, I used HEET to make methyl mandelate for a pemoline synth. I tried this twice, getting very low yields. I'm kind of hoping HEET's full of impurities, because that would mean that I'm not a shitty cook after all ! Have you tried dripping a little on glass, and seeing if it leaves a residue after evaporation ?? 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-08-00 13:18
No 1260
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

well i think you need a new source of methyl alcohol, try going to a paint supply store or a hobby shop and ask for model fuel, if your going for the hobby shop, and if you try the paint shop just ask for methyl alcohol 		 
 
 
 
    Barney_Rubble
(Newbee)
05-08-00 15:51
No 1312
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

SlyDog. Do you have a prefered battery 		 
 
 
 
    element109
(Stranger)
05-08-00 16:10
No 1324
User Picture  		      Re: Who made post on DMMDA via halo/hex??!!!     

NaI/KI + H2SO4 ? I'm pretty sure you would get I2 from that.
I thought you already have to bee carefull with NaBr/H2SO4, as to produce little or no Br2. Free halogens add to the double bond to form, well, useless compounds.

DMMDA ? How active is it? 200mg ? Maybee dillapiol is more worthwhile (i believe MDA-like effects ?)


E109- 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Stranger)
05-08-00 16:50
No 1339
User Picture  		      Re: HBr     

NO really.... No one knows what they are doing with them?????????????? 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Newbee)
05-08-00 17:05
No 1347
User Picture  		      Re: EtNH2 --> EtNO2 with dimethyldioxirane     

I don't think they would call it 'particularly useful' if it was highly explosive.
But what do I know ? You're the Chief Bee. 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Stranger)
05-08-00 18:01
No 1372
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

The R stands for the ephedrine molecule without the OH attached. 
(Where * is an available bond)
R = C6H5-CH*-CH(NHCH3)-CH3

There for RX = C6H5-CHX-CH(NHCH3)-CH3
where X can be any single bond group or element, e.i. I, Cl, H, or OH.

And the equation that you posted is right, that eq. is for the recylcing of the I2 back into HI;  PI3 degrades into HI and phosphoric acid (i think it's phosphoric acid, but it does dregrade into some acid of phosphorus)

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    Exsikkator
(Hive Bee)
05-08-00 18:12
No 1377
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer w/ hotplate     

I think it was Osmium telling on the old Hive that ebay would be absolutely OTC.

Cheers, Ex................
What´s a signature? 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-08-00 20:46
No 1453
User Picture  		      Re: Hg vapor from Al-Hg reaction?     

No need to worry. As long as there is solvent in your flask only very little amounts of Hg vapour should be released, if at all. I really doubt that detectable amounts are released during the reaction. I'd rather worry about the workup.
The gas produced is H2, not CO2. 		 
 
 
 
    StarDog
(Stranger)
05-08-00 20:53
No 1457
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

element109: Yea what Dope_Amine posted about Rhodium's
method is correct and said process yields what it claims.
Take Care
StarDog 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Stranger)
05-08-00 21:00
No 1466
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

Rhodium, I spoke loosely.  I was referring to the aromatic ring of the the meth and ephedrine, pi bonds.  The I2 can react with the ring to form strange by-products.

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-08-00 21:05
No 1468
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer w/ hotplate     

I never said that! I never used ebay or any other online auction before.
At least you don't have to worry about a paper trail for this kind of equipment in Germany. 		 
 
 
 
    nonameyet
(Stranger)
05-08-00 21:07
No 1471
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

Yikes!  Drop the 1st 2.... try acetone, rubbing it off underwater (so to speak)... don't even need a razorblade, comes right off, then dries quickly.  Maybe some DH²O afterwards and dried to be used for whatever legal purposes you had planned? 		 
 
 
 
    beastyb0yy
(Stranger)
05-08-00 22:08
No 1501
User Picture  		      Re: adderall 10mg     

Dont fuck up a good adderrall. That stuff works miracles at college. I was on it for ADD and stockpiled it untill I had an exam. It makes you concentrate on your work. I could do some unbelievable cramming with aderall. Trust me, find some college student and hook him up. He/ she will love you forever.

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    catharsis
(Stranger)
05-08-00 22:14
No 1503
User Picture  		      Re: Pure ephedrine.     

you were correct on the spelling :/ i suppose i can still get somthing from this though. unless im roylaly high on percocet. someone wanna tell me a nice way to get what i want from these things? and nah i aint making meth or cat. im sick of gak when i taken eph.. thanks.

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purge the info.

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purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    mnkyboy
(Stranger)
05-08-00 22:54
No 1529
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

Well, no residue on the glass... I must of just had a bad day, (Dont try working and studing for finals at the same time...Must of done something right though... Aced the classes, and found a gallon of Methyl that my instructor was going to chuck!) 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-09-00 00:29
No 1565
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

so if you just dip in acetone and let it dry you can use it in a reaction? 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Stranger)
05-09-00 00:46
No 1573
User Picture  		      Re: Reflux help please...     

Phuckphase, SWIm tryin the same thing. SWIM have been fucking aroung with ratios ammount of H20 ect. So as yet SWIM don't have a good proceedure. reflux time has been shortend to arround the ten hour mark for 5-10 gram batches.
Need good advice so SWIM stops fucking arround an gets godd product and yeild every time 		 
 
 
 
    Trotsky
(Stranger)
05-09-00 01:51
No 1591
User Picture  		      Re: Methamphetamines to MDMA     

-methamphetamine
-3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine
Looks like meth's a convenient starting point, huh? Unfortunately, it don't work that way. Meth is completely useless for MDMA synth. 		 
 
 
 
    Trotsky
(Stranger)
05-09-00 02:05
No 1596
User Picture  		      Re: adderall 10mg     

I wouldn't bother. Eaten, it gets my logic machine functioning like a well-greased... logic machine. Snorted, it's pleasant tweaking. Intravenous, well, only once. I tied off with a blue condom... I ended up having a flashback later on that night, probably induced by stress. I find (for me, of course) that it's a superior prescription stimulant when snorted. 		 
 
 
 
    Phuckphace
(Stranger)
05-09-00 04:40
No 1668
User Picture  		      Re: Reflux help please...     

Hematite sir,

Would you bee so kind as to opher the approximate amount oph dH2O that was present in your " recent " failed rxn involving 40gm E?

SWIPP can no longer aphord incomplete/phailed rxns, even iph the yield is lower than the traditional 65%. SWIPPs one success was 4.5gm out oph 15gm, but who cares, it worked, happiness was abundant and energy was had by all...

SWIPP has good RP and I2, but in SWIPPs neck oph the woods, the most convenient sources oph E have been explored and exhausted. SWIPP can only make so many trips in a given amount oph time to the local pharmacy phor de-congestant without raising eyebrows... Iph SWIPP wants E w/Povidone, it can bee had at 60 12.5mg phor an ungodly $6.00, phuckers...

I phind using ph in place oph an "eph" to bee amusing... 		 
 
 
 
    professor
(Stranger)
05-09-00 06:20
No 1702
User Picture  		      Re: A route to P2P     

So what were you looking to do???
And what was the question! 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-09-00 07:09
No 1718
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

PI3 + 3 C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ===>>
3 C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H3PO3

HI + C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ===>>
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H2O
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HI ==>>
C6H5-CH2-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + I2

HI Synthesis
I2 + H3PO2 + H2O = H3PO3 + 2HI     H3PO2 mol wt = 66

H2S + I2 = 2HI + S

PH3 + 3I2 => 3HI + PI3
Side reaction PH3 + HI ==>> PH4I

2P + 3I2 ==>> 2PI3
2PI3 + 6H2O ==>> 6HI + 2H3PO3 		 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Stranger)
05-09-00 07:18
No 1722
User Picture  		      Re: formaldehyde     

what up suave, I hate to misinform you but from my old knowledge on "wetdaddies" its 50/50 of da shit you got and ether! I used to smoke that shit for years back in my compton days, and you ever smoked it, and know the smell of ether then your on trail. its a follow your nose on that shit, wich I totally would reconsider doing! its caused so-o much physical brain damage to too many people i know! peace 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-09-00 07:37
No 1728
User Picture  		      Re: Solubility of Hg in DCM     

Elemental Hg is not soluble in DCM, or you wouldn't see this small bead sitting in there. Remove it by careful decantation or with a pipette.
The post Al/Hg reaction doesn't contain any soluble Hg salts anymore. 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-09-00 09:46
No 1755
User Picture  		      Re: Worlock...extraction mystery     

You should be getting at least 12 grams of E

Try this
Use 2 cups of water to dissolve the ground up tablets.

Soak for about 4 hours  water is quicker than alcohol with ephedrine,
Filter till clear.
Toss the water/E  in the freezer for an hour, then put the frozen thing in a  filter within a funnel.
Come back in 1/2 hour collect the clear fluid. The reason you have to cold filter is because you are doing a ?/B extraction instead of the full A/B extraction. The wax that is used is water soluble at room temperature. In addition the wax is oil soluble and should end up in the Toluene so that must be what your getting after evaporation.

Do not add a toluene at this time

Mix up a 30% solution of Sodium Hydroxide (30 grams  NaOH fill to 100 ml with water)
Pour  some of the hydroxide solution into the sudo water and "gently swirl" the mixture it should turn white then clear,
Add more hydroxide and swirl each time the whitness should remain longer and longer until it stays for at least 30 seconds.
 
After the milky white is seems to stay for 30 seconds or more add more Hydroxide until this stuff that looks  like an  emulsion floats to the top. The water layer will clear a little,  but  it still look somewhat cloudy if you let it sit undisturbed it will form a smooth whitish glob on the surface.
Remove the lower cloudy water layer.

Add D-water to upper smooth white glob and shake several times.
Let it sit
Then remove the lower layer

Twice more-
Add D-water to upper smooth white glob and shake several times.
Let it sit
Then remove the lower layer

Dry the White glob and there is the E freebase

Take a pH reading on the water/lye solution if you want don't be surprised if it is over 14.





Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    mnkyboy
(Stranger)
05-09-00 10:25
No 1763
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

Denatured Alcohol was just recently tested... Conclusion: It works a hell-of-alot better than HEET. 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-09-00 12:35
No 1793
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

colemans fuel is Pet Ether, and a mole of E is 183g a mole of Li is 14g 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Newbee)
05-09-00 13:35
No 1813
User Picture  		      Re: aquisition method     

The problem is, if it is being followed to apprehend the adressee, then you are fucked as they are staking that package out, for you to come by and pick it up! Silly really!

My little brother came up with a better one the other day!

You know how when you live in "rentals", you are always getting mail from the past tenants?

So you just order your stuff to your own address, but to one of the names that you always get mail for!!
When the package arrives you take it inside and write return to sender on it and then let it sit inside your house for a month!
When all seems clear use and abuse!

In case of arrest/investigation, you deny all knowledge!


Yes, I do know everything! 		 
 
 
 
    modesty
(Stranger)
05-09-00 13:45
No 1817
User Picture  		      Re: Methylamine cleanup info     

Rhodiums Methylamine FAQ has a link to Chemhacks description of using denatured EtOH for separating ones Methylamine HCl from Ammonium Chloride.

This is taken from that description detailing how cold denatured alcohol is used as a substitute for Chloroform. Don't have any details on efficiency though.

"If you don't have any chloroform then pour out about 100mls of alcohol and put it in the freezer until it is very cold. Add the cold alcohol to your methylamine and impurities and stir it around real good. Not very much of the solid will dissolve but the alcohol will take up a bunch of the yellow crap leaving the crystals much lighter. Decant off the cold yellow alcohol and repeat with fresh cold alcohol until you reach the point of diminishing returns. This is the somewhat subjective point where you are starting to
get more of your good stuff than yellow stuff." 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Newbee)
05-09-00 14:24
No 1826
User Picture  		      Re: Formula for Naphta ...     

Here ya go chief:

Naphtha  [8030-30-6]

Synonyms: Petroleum Benzine; Naphtha, coal tar; rubber solvent; VM&P naphtha; Benzine Petroleum Naphthalene;

CAS#: 91-20-3
Formula:    C10H8 
MW:       128.1732 
ACX Number:  X1001294-7

That's what your looking for right?

-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    sunlight
(Stranger)
05-09-00 16:05
No 1855
User Picture  		      Re: MDA synth     

I remember a little test with amonium acetate in Al/Hg reduction, but no NaOH was added, just plain am. ac. and yield was ridiculous, are you sure that the combo am. acetate+NaOh would work, Rhodium ? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-09-00 18:27
No 1935
User Picture  		      Re: MDA synth     

Not from personal experience, but I believe it should work. Just use a large excess of ammonium acetate.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Stranger)
05-09-00 20:35
No 1978
User Picture  		      Re: NaS-(CH2)nH     

correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that a williamson thioether synthesis failed when trying to attack aromatic halogens.  Something about the inability to perform an SN2 attack on the halogen.

alphab 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-09-00 21:23
No 1994
User Picture  		      Re: NaS-(CH2)nH     

alpha: You are right. The williamson ether synthesis does not work on aromatic halogens, only the reverse works (alkyl halide on aromatic phenol/thiophenol).

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    buckyballz911
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:19
No 2057
User Picture  		      Re: drenaline     

adrenochrome from adrenaline (epinephrine) is a simply a matter of oxidizing it.  there was an old thread on how to do it ghetto style, but i cant remember it, as it gave a truly shitty yield and wasnt worth it. 

nurses in the 2nd WW had to administer adrenaline to numbers oif troops, and they noticed if the troops were given adrenaline that had been stored a while and turned a pinkish hue, it seem to promote hallucinations as weel as the other effects of adrenaline.  so you could try just leaving the shit on the shelf for a few months in a closed container, but again, i wouldnt even bother with trying to produce adrenochrome yourself, to much trial and error for an ending shitty yield, not to mention a high no one would probably like. 
dont get confused by how cool the scene was in Fear and Loathing, he said himself it was terrible, and think about how experienced and open minded he is about drugs... 		 
 
 
 
    Dick_Nastyy
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:33
No 2068
User Picture  		      Re: Marquis Reagent     

thanx WizardX for posting this again
if anyone wants pictures go
see

http://www.dancesafe.org/ekits.html 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:46
No 2075
User Picture  		      Re: mk-801?     

Well go ahead and try it...! Just gonna fuck your brains up!

OK, just taking the piss. I saw some info on MK-801 somewhere, but don't ask for a URL.
What you could try though, is locate some anaesthetics specialist books in your local
science book megastore, that should have info on it. At least they do here in UK.

Hope it helps,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:47
No 2077
User Picture  		      Re: mk-801?     

By the way....:

mk-801 IS NOT INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION!!!

wink


-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Deathwish
(Stranger)
05-09-00 23:48
No 2078
User Picture  		      Re: aquiring through a school     

Being a decade removed from school, I know for a fact that my little rural type chem storage room had some truly funky shit in there, real old school chems and experiment guides. Back in the day (way back) as I understand it schools could order whatever they liked all in the hopes of enlightening young minds. Now a days I am sure they jump through hoops like everyone else, but you never know what gems may lie unnoticed for eons in some musty old storage room.

An ancient Deathwish. 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Stranger)
05-10-00 00:17
No 2087
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

That looks like a great source!

I was the one talking about the custom synth.
We have about 25 people confirmed who are definitely purchasing at least 1 gram, and another 25 who have expressed interest. The problem with the old place we were going to use was that they wouldn't go under 200/gram, and while this is still a great price compared to the resellers we've seen on the net, it's really not to good for a custom synth. We were hoping for $100 to $150/gram. This is going to happen though.
I don't really understand the rest of the post. what is the question. 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Stranger)
05-10-00 00:24
No 2091
User Picture  		      NASA pics     

I'm still new with this WWWThreads stuff, so I hope this works. [/b]essentials[/b], check out the cool "Nasa" pics at

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/nasapics/ 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Stranger)
05-10-00 00:39
No 2104
User Picture  		      Re: Methylamine cleanup info     

BigAndBad: we're talking about methylamine, not methamphetamine (aka "chili").

CHEMMAN: Sidenote: I think KCN said one can use an excess of NH4Cl to help supress the formation of dimethylamine (this is in the hexamine/HCl decomposition route, but since HCHO/NH4Cl is basically the same, it should apply there as well).

Also, for whatever it means, my hunch is that DCM has very similiar solvent properties to TCM. 		 
 
 
 
    Cheapskate
(Stranger)
05-10-00 01:22
No 2119
User Picture  		      Re: o-toluidine     

I hate being a stranger! 		 
 
 
 
    axe
(Stranger)
05-10-00 03:05
No 2172
User Picture  		      Re: Black Beauties, Pink Hearts and Yellow Jackets...     

"Black Beauties" would be dextroamphetamine, "yellow jackets" would be phentermine, and "pink hearts" would be either dextroamphetamine or benzphetamine. I remember the fakes were known as "kiddie dope". 		 
 
 
 
    FILO
(Stranger)
05-10-00 03:41
No 2185
User Picture  		      Re: o-toluidine     

Hey Cheapskate its me Sky. I Got My Nick messed up in the change over. Ive been doing some reading I know this sounds crazy but Salicylic Acid is phenol benzoic acid with a OH in the place of NH2 on anthranilic acid . HBR should replace the OH with BR . then the BR should easily be replace with NH2 To form anthranilic acid what do you think? 		 
 
 
 
    FILO
(Stranger)
05-10-00 04:48
No 2201
User Picture  		      Re: o-toluidine     

Damn Cheapskate I see what you mean there has to be a way to break that bond! that would be all the toluidine you would need. 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Newbee)
05-10-00 06:09
No 2241
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

If you have to ask if it can be made, I am sorry to say, but I doubt you have the necessary skills to make one yourself!

Sorry!


Yes, I do know everything! 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Stranger)
05-10-00 06:17
No 2248
User Picture  		      Re: Interesting Al/Hg combo     

Conc. ammonia was used.  Can't tell you the yield yet but I will later.  Check out the MDA Synth thread by Trotsky.  It leads that ammonium acetate can be used in Bright Star's synth to make MDA, but I need to check tha shit out cuz I haven't read it in a while.. 		 
 
 
 
    Serpent
(Stranger)
05-10-00 07:45
No 2278
User Picture  		      Re: mk-801?     

Yeah, did the DXM thing, not suitable.  mk-801 is kind of a mystery, a strange passion for me to eat up and get up.  It seems likes a very fun little drug, not sure if its scheduled, if not, great, I want to give a uber-pcp receptor whatever suprise.  Experimenting with DXM at the moment, sorry if this doesnt make sense. 		 
 
 
 
    GED
(Stranger)
05-10-00 07:52
No 2280
User Picture  		      Re: Old KrZ post     

Greetings Zooligan,
  The post You looking for is,
 "All Praise Be To Rylander! Amen!
  posted 02-23-2000 02:19 PM      By KrZ

 It is a method of turning L-phenylalanine to
Amphetamine by Hydrogenation with Pt/C 5%
  I remember being quiet excited about it, when it was
first posted. It seemed too good to be true.
  You know what they say about things that are too good
to be true ?
  You might want to ask Wixard-X about it, before
spending a lot of money on it.
  Good luck in getting an answer ! I've posted a
question in the Meth Forum, regarding KrZ's MasterPlan
but have received no comment from Wixard-X or Rhodium.
  Just before the "Old Hive" went off the air, there
was a thread about this subject ( L-phenylalinine ).
 It was not too encouraging :(

 But I could be wrong,
 I've been wrong before :)

 Good Luck !
 Ged


  		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Newbee)
05-10-00 08:03
No 2284
User Picture  		      Re: i'm confused...... so am I!     

shit ive been reading the posts here at the hive now for a month and im on my 4 synth and i havent even gotten right yet someone who has reqading for 8 hrs is getting frustrated thats fuckin funny 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-10-00 08:39
No 2301
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

That tincture is way too diluted. You could eiter concentrate it by evaporating the EtOH (hopefully without losing the I2). The other ingredient ratios are off as far as I can tell. Too much H2O2 (or NaOCl for those who use that) will convert some of the iodine into periodate, which is useless. 250ml HCl sounds like way too much too.

This is what you want to do:

2 NaI (or KI) + 2 HCl + H2O2 ----> 2 NaCl + I2 + 2 H2O

Learn about moles etc, calculate the theoretically needed amounts of the reagents, use a slight excess of HCl and you should get pretty good yields. Don't use too diluted tinctures though, yields should be better with more conc. solutions.
Don't forget to report back, including a DETAILED report of what you did and how much you used. 		 
 
 
 
    element109
(Stranger)
05-10-00 09:18
No 2311
User Picture  		      Re: Gabriel synthesis     

Thanks !

Quote:
Reactions were carried out by heating at 115 C under vigorous stirring
a hetrogenous mixture of substrate (1 mol), 47% HBr (5-10 mol) and
hexadecyltributylphosphonium bromide (.1 mol)"

"Indeed in phase-transfer conditions even aqueous HCl quantitatively
converts alcohols into the corresponding chlorides."

"Attempts to use concentrated HCl or HCl and NaBr failed [to cleave
the ethers]"

This is just was i needed. Would the reaction also proceed at RT? The PTC makes the Cl anion able to reach the alkene double bond, isn't it? So, since there is contact, chlorination would be inevitable in a certain amount of time, isn't it? I'm no chemist, but i'm trying to learn.

 

E109- 		 
 
 
 
    PBOL
(Stranger)
05-10-00 09:32
No 2319
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

HEETs properties changed somewhere in 98, it used to be ideal for this purpose but it was intentionally altered to no longer serve this purpose :) 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Stranger)
05-10-00 09:53
No 2328
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

hay placebo you dont no shit so fuck up and keep your comments to your self i will make one and thanks again fuchem 		 
 
 
 
    GED
(Stranger)
05-10-00 10:49
No 2350
User Picture  		      Re: Old KrZ post     

I forgot to say, the KrZ post was in the Meth Forum.

God, My spelling sucks! Maybe if I spelled WizardX's name correctly, he would answer my question on The MasterPlan.

Sorry
GED 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-10-00 13:01
No 2371
User Picture  		      Re: formaldehyde     

I dare you to wet your cigarette with ether and put a flame to it.
My guess is that you'll smoke it for 0.002 seconds ... right up uptill your hair catches on
fire from the exploding ether.  

PS- I would never smoke formaldehyde.    Formaldehyde *can* react the same way that
carbon monoxide reacts with your lungs.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Stranger)
05-10-00 16:42
No 2431
User Picture  		      Re: Nazi method for making meth     

MISINFORMATION!

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-10-00 16:44
No 2432
User Picture  		      Re: mk-801?     

Synthesis:

Journal of Organic Chemistry 44, 3117 (1979)
Journal of Organic Chemistry 53, 1768 (1988)

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-10-00 16:53
No 2436
User Picture  		      Re: Best Method?     

The Bromo is very difficult for a beginner.   Read This:


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Icepick
(Stranger)
05-10-00 17:23
No 2445
User Picture  		      More phenylalanine stuff via KrZ     

Author Topic: amphetamine from phenylalanine
DR.NOODLUM
Hive Bee
Posts: 60
Registered: Jan 2000
posted 02-21-2000 08:05 AM
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Would anyone have a good synth text or info on converting phenylalanine to amphetamine? I cannot find a complete text anywhere and am not satisfied with the results I have obtained from the search engine. I am looking to find out what chems are easiest to obtain, safest to use, and give the highest and cleanest yields. I also was wondering if there is an effective way to convert the l-phenylalanine to d-phenylalanine because I have heard in a few posts that the d is some 10-15x more active, and that the only reason one would leave in the l is for a cut, or lack of equipment / skills.

KrZ
Hive Bee
Posts: 1402
Registered: Sep 98
posted 02-21-2000 09:02 AM
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Drone says that a NaBH4->Alcohol conversion followed by an Alcohol->Alkane conversion with RP/HI would work. Although I wish someone would come up with a procedure not involving RP/HI redution at the end. I wonder if there is a nice Pd or Pt catalyst that would reduce that alcohol without rupturing the benzene ring... Anyone?

LaBTop
PimpBee
Posts: 1386
Registered: Mar 99
posted 02-21-2000 06:08 PM
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See Paul N. Rylander: Hydrogenation methods, page 15, Chiral Homogenous Hydrogenations.
-quote-
Results may depend on minor variations in catalyst structure, and with the present state of the art only by luck could a process be optimized without considerable effort.-end quote-
Most of your answers are in this book, or the refs in there. The pressure-bible. LT/
------------------
WISDOMwillWIN

KrZ
Hive Bee
Posts: 1402
Registered: Sep 98
posted 02-21-2000 06:12 PM
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Rylander is my fave too LT, I saw that part. I was hoping for some (dare I dream) information directly regarding phenylalanine or at least something similar in structure.

DR.NOODLUM
Hive Bee
Posts: 60
Registered: Jan 2000
posted 02-25-2000 03:03 AM
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Hey labtop, where might I acquire such a book? I searched the net but came up dry.

KrZ
Hive Bee
Posts: 1402
Registered: Sep 98
posted 02-25-2000 08:45 AM
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Geee I dunno. Maybe a library? Just an off the wall guess.. Amazon has TONS of cat. hydro stuff for you, they'll even source the out-of-print Rylander for you.

Biscuit
Hive Bee
Posts: 68
Registered: Sep 99
posted 02-28-2000 08:50 AM
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i posted an idea AGES ago. i really don't know whether this would work but Vogel peformed an exp reducing an ALDEHYDE to an ALKANE. it looked quite str8 fwd.
so maybe if u could reduce the phe to the aldehyde (not sure if this is possible) if not then the alcohol, reoxidise to an aldehyde using special ox agent which will stop at the aldehyde and perform Vogels exp = amphetamine (maybe)


GURU
Hive Bee
Posts: 169
Registered: Feb 2000
posted 02-28-2000 05:26 PM
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Well, if you haven't already I suggest that you read this article: Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences Vol.67#8 pg.1167 august 1978.(it can be found in any good college library) Although there are a few drawbacks to this procedure (chem wise)that would require you to make a few chems from scratch or to order them thru a trusted friend but, if you have access to basic chems there's not much of a problem because there not list I or II(well not yet anyway) but a few are watched.

It starts by making 2-amino-3-phenylpropanol(from D-phenylalanine-available at your local healthfood/vitamin store) then turing this into N-(benzyloxycarbrbonyl)-2-amino-3-phenylpropanol then into its p-Toluenesulfonate and finally into Dextroamphetamine sulfate or methamphetamine hydochloride. Its not hard really, it's not even a long reaction.....just half a page. check it out. STAY HIGH and SAFE.

BBBBZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Note: Everything in this post is given for informational purposes only.

Guru® 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Newbee)
05-10-00 18:28
No 2469
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

Hey! It's Android! Waszzzup?
I thought that as well. But then I used to ask questions like that alot when I didn't have alot of experience. All it takes sometimes is a few seeds. Maybe he can and will pull out a few morsels that can steer him in the right direction and SUCCEED!
A smart bee is the one who asks lotsa questions.
Inebriate! 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Newbee)
05-10-00 18:32
No 2470
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

Are the compounds shipped from offshore? From ESHU I mean. Or has anyone ordered from them yet? 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Stranger)
05-10-00 20:52
No 2514
User Picture  		      Re: Old KrZ post     

Thanks for the posts, guys!   I just knew all that old info wasn't lost forever.

Now if only one of the chem-gods would give KrZ's Rylander interpretation a "yea" or "nay".... 

zool 		 
 
 
 
    examine
(Stranger)
05-10-00 20:56
No 2516
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

cool , i had a package DPT delivered one day at my door and on the package it said ESHU with a round yin-yang kinda sigh on it .
but i never could figure out where it came from , Until now!!

i got 6 online Tryptamine shops in my favorits list now

ex-amine

(**) 		 
 
 
 
    xochi
(Stranger)
05-10-00 21:09
No 2521
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

It's like MnO4. If you add H2O to it, you could use it to cleave a diol into 2 aldehyde. 		 
 
 
 
    BigAndBad
(Stranger)
05-10-00 21:30
No 2525
User Picture  		      Re: i'm confused...... so am I!     

ONE HAS BEEN READING,WTCHING ON THE COUCH AND EVAN WATCHED UNCLE FES---- VIDEO 400 TIMES,THANKFULLY THEREARE """SOME KEWL BEES HERE!!!!!!I WOULD HATE TO BLOW THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-10-00 21:33
No 2527
User Picture  		      Re: Worlock about your "Cure"     

Pseudoephedrine SULFATE does NOT dissolve well in alcohol.
You must extract with water first filter then form the freebase.

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Stranger)
05-10-00 21:47
No 2533
User Picture  		      Re: Harmine / DMT extraction with AcOH/NaCl     

Hm, well here goes the proc I used:

Kind of pulverized MHRB was immersed in 1 l of 1N (0.1 M) HCl and mazerated and shaken like
a devil-in-a-box-going-mad for couple of days or a week. Then drained / sieved and resulting liquid
was filtered through coffe filters to get all that sheyt out which are called small-particles-
hanging-round-in-my-wannabee-clear-solution. Anyways, that was defatted using DCM twice. Emulsions
made me go mad but I managed eventually with great loss of material. Then freebased with NaOH and
extracted with DCM. Again, emulsion. DCM extracts (x 2) combined and washed with water. Still,
emulsion. Then, finally DCM left to evaporate, leaving a trypt-smelling but inactive yellow-orange
goo behind. Bloody waste of money.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-10-00 22:36
No 2553
User Picture  		      Re: The lovely world of Pip - BZP, mTFMPP, mCPP, oMPP     

There are no other good references than the ones listed in the files at my page (visit your library). You could do a deja.com search through all the alt.drugs.* newsgroups, but as always, that information is unchecked.

If you have any specific questions, I'll try to answer them.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Kid_Charlemagne
(Stranger)
05-10-00 23:14
No 2563
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

Every thing that I have read about this substance seems to suggest that it is best enjoyed in a back yard garden listening to the bee gees (not that I don't like the bee gees, ) but it sounds really sleepy. any one experince it in a social setting? 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Stranger)
05-10-00 23:39
No 2576
User Picture  		      Re: aquiring through a school     

umm.. i know of a school that has a lot of oxidzers (permagenate, dichromate, bromine), pretty much everything you need short of safrole ;). They're great sources.. too bad it's a crime to rip them off =( 		 
 
 
 
    SiCBOY
(Stranger)
05-10-00 23:46
No 2578
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

I soaked my matchstrips in acetone and scraped the rp off of them. But now there seems to be alot of glue that keeps making my rp sticky. What is the best way to remove this glue?? 		 
 
 
 
    essentials
(Stranger)
05-11-00 00:37
No 2602
User Picture  		      Re: acquiring through a school     

Go to your local college, preferably a prestigious one (they go through more goodies), and walk around the graduate chemistry building for awhile.  Look for the big, haz-mat looking dumpster things.  All sorts of crazy glassware in them, and sometimes a bit of chemicals.  I put together a distillation setup in no time! 		 
 
 
 
    bee1055
(Stranger)
05-11-00 01:08
No 2610
User Picture  		      Re: how to dertermin if md-p2p is md-p2p     

isnt marquis just formaldehyde with methanol to stop polymerization?  can formaldehyde be used to test ketones? 		 
 
 
 
    essentials
(Stranger)
05-11-00 01:36
No 2623
User Picture  		      Re: Freezing of ketone/mdp2p mixture?     

Thanks, but I think that I did them correctly.  First wash was very dark, second light, third almost clear.  I'm filtering them out now, and will let you know what the stuff looks/smells like. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-11-00 02:00
No 2633
User Picture  		      Re: Meth synthesis using Ephedrine     

The 1,4-cyclohexadiene will NOT mix well or very poorly with the Ephedrine.HCl/GAA-H2SO4. So trying to use 1,4-cyclohexadiene as a source of H2 will not work.
If you where using freebase Ephedrine + 1,4-cyclohexadiene, this will create a homogeneous mixture. 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Stranger)
05-11-00 02:28
No 2643
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

Ghetto style

Go to the store and buy one of those things that spin suckers for kids walk around and find something to place inside to cause a stir and tape the botton down so it stays on....crazy

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Newbee)
05-11-00 06:42
No 2726
User Picture  		      Re: Impurities in HEET?     

"Isopropyl is not very good it has water in it."

correction: "The isopropyl rubbing alcohol found at pharmacies often has water in it (usually 70% or 91%), but 99% IPA can often be found at some pharmacies, as well as 95% denatured EtOH." 		 
 
 
 
    Maighstir
(Stranger)
05-11-00 07:39
No 2740
User Picture  		      Re: Harmine / DMT extraction with AcOH/NaCl     

I've found that DCM is very good for extracting clean solutions (I mean solutions from which most of the shit has been removed; third or fourth extract). When extracting the first waterphases in most extractions It's best to use some other solvent (naphta for ex.). If there's still a lot of other plantstuff in the solution DCM has the tendency to form emulsionlike bubbles (almost like micells) which are very difficult to get rid of.

P.S. May I ask in what way you tried out your DMT extract (orange is great, the smell was OK but no activity)?

Vae victis meretrix est et mors venit. 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Stranger)
05-11-00 12:38
No 2791
User Picture  		      Re: Harmine / DMT extraction with AcOH/NaCl     

extract with dcm, then let it sit, emulsions go away. Then evap and get the goo. Dissolve it in acid again, and do it over with naptha. Get white crystals.


-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Shahrokh
(Stranger)
05-11-00 13:37
No 2803
User Picture  		      Re: Best Method?     

Yeah, to my knowledge the bromo method uses the most unwatched chemicals, butylamine being the only chemical I have to really search for... 		 
 
 
 
    SammydaBull
(Stranger)
05-11-00 14:21
No 2808
User Picture  		      Re: Rhodium or Hey Man Please help me!!     

Thank you stonium you are a gentleman and a scholar.I was at the grocery store and the cashier told me she had 1.5 liters of dill seed oil and she had distilled it down to 450ml but the temp was only at 155c at 28"of vac.Shouldn't she be to the goods soon or is she already there?Thank you very much for your help:) 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Newbee)
05-11-00 15:50
No 2835
User Picture  		      Re: quantitation in thin layer chromatography     

Excellent post sir!
Please keep us updated. I have used TLC to assay my legal substances in the past and was impressed. However your approach using the PC and scanner has given me new ideas. Thanks! 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-11-00 16:40
No 2853
User Picture  		      Re: odering chems     

Are you able to get a new identity (i.e. DL in someone else's name)?  Ideally, you have a new identity that you also can get a passport for.  Acquire yourself a prepaid cell phone (digital).  Have a woman friend leave a professional message on the voice mail. 

Now to the strategic part:  Find yourself a few secure addresses from people that would NOT sell you out (make sure they don't have kids, trust me, I have seen it too many times where the pigs will start putting pressure on your FRIENDS and they break down).  Then go about ordering like a company normally would:  inquire (over the phone or via E-mail), ask for price quotes that include overnight shipping, never order various items together, and even add some BS to throw anybody off.  Remember to stay professional and also compare prices and go ahead and let the suppliers know other competitive price quotes that you might have received.  Try personally not to sign for the package yourself, let them leave a slip and have somebody pick it up that would be able to play dumb if anything went down.  The idea is to be as careful as possible, but also not to be obvious about it.

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Newbee)
05-11-00 16:54
No 2859
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C     

I only found these two things when looking alphabetically:

   Platinum Metal Foil, 0.005"
Price: $241.00
Quantity in Cart: none

                         

 
   Platinum Metal, Black, 1g
Price: $121.00
Quantity in Cart: none
 

Similar situation when looking for Pd/C.

Are you sure SA carries them?

zool 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-11-00 17:03
No 2863
User Picture  		      Re: nitroethene     

Yes, formaldehyde and nitromethane will form nitroethene. This is usually done in gas phase, over SiO2-supported lead catalysts at around 200°C.
When reacted in solution with bases like K2CO3 or NaOH, nitroethanol is produced. By lowering the MeNO2:H2CO ratio other alcohols can be produced (diols, triols; god starting points for explosives because of that additional NO2 present wink)

Example: O2N-C(-CH2-OH)3, O2N-CH(-CH2-OH)2, O2N-CH2-CH2-OH 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-11-00 18:39
No 2915
User Picture  		      Re: 5-MeO-DiPT and harmala     

a while ago... I'll check it again... 		 
 
 
 
    Yeshua
(Stranger)
05-11-00 19:43
No 2944
User Picture  		      Re: Flurtipine Maleate     

Lilienthal: great name, what does it mean? Thanks for the offer, but I got the info I need after Epikur told me the correct spelling. Just part of my never-ending quest for medical knowledge...

"Boy, howdy, that was a LONG trip!" 		 
 
 
 
    Yeshua
(Stranger)
05-11-00 19:50
No 2948
User Picture  		      Re: Black Beauties, Pink Hearts and Yellow Jackets...     

Oh, good call, Axe. I'm always impressed by knowledge of what I call "vintage drugs".

"Boy, howdy, that was a LONG trip!" 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-11-00 21:14
No 2978
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

no way 		 
 
 
 
    thermite
(Stranger)
05-11-00 21:19
No 2983
User Picture  		      Re: red phosphorous decomposition     

You are correct.  Red p does not and should not be stored under water.  Keep it in a cool dry place.  		 
 
 
 
    Phuckphace
(Stranger)
05-11-00 22:18
No 3008
User Picture  		      Re: dexedrine spansules     

cog, SWIPP just recieved a few dozen pills that are touted to bee Dexedrine.

Small, two tone capsule, solid brown and clear, with "--10mg--3513" on the brown halph, and "--10mg-- SB" on the clear halph. Philled with orange/white pellets.

Same thing?

I phind using ph in place oph an "eph" to bee amusing... 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-11-00 22:52
No 3019
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

has anyone used this MB redp? 		 
 
 
 
    hispimpness
(Stranger)
05-11-00 23:02
No 3021
User Picture  		      Re: Research chemical suppliers - comparative quality.     

I thought that I would add my two cents.  I've only ordered tryptamines from JLF and have been blessed with nothing but the purest experimental substance.  I firmly recommend them if you can stand the prices (damn JLF, what the hell are you thinking?).  Everything has been on time from them too, with the exception of one, which came three weeks late (!!!).Just be careful cause even though it's legal, it can still blow your mind.  Of course you can't really take any of them, they're for nonconsumable use only silly.  Hope this helps.

Hispimpness
(sleeps well with others) 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Stranger)
05-11-00 23:32
No 3032
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

Yeah, there is:

Shrink yourself to quantum level and stick another methyl group on top of it.
But then, you'd probably be so spaced out by shrinking to that level that you
couldn't be bothered anymore to deshrink to normal size. wink

There might be some ultra-extreme-radical reaction to kill those Hs but then,
everything on the molecule would be affected.

Why would you want to do that anyways? AET is scheduled, AMT is not.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    tao
(Stranger)
05-11-00 23:39
No 3035
User Picture  		      Re: NaBH4 Method     

search young jedi search ...
http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/redamin.nabh4.txt 		 
 
 
 
    synesthesia
(Stranger)
05-12-00 00:07
No 3045
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

::shrinks down:: :)
aET is an interesting substance that is comparitive to MDMA.. but it isn't scheduled where I live.. Which is called "The free-thought government that will not get in your way to happiness." aka Never Ever Land .. Why should they matter how we get from A to B as long as B is the path to enlightenment and happiness :). AHHH that was my $0.02 :)

I also follow the law (even though I may not like it). I guess you have to take your spoonfulls :)

It's fun programming your quantum computer! 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Stranger)
05-12-00 01:35
No 3063
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

this is probably a no brainer but where is a good place to get the duracell 2450's? 		 
 
 
 
    immobilon
(Stranger)
05-12-00 01:40
No 3065
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

Speaking of codeine, I was wondering if anybody could give their opinion on whether the effect of the so called 'stronger' opiates is really so much better than that of codeine.

I usually take around 320mg codeine phosphate, and find it to be quite satisfactory.  I don't have access to anything else, and would like to know if it's worthwhile searching out something stronger. 		 
 
 
 
    Krypto
(Stranger)
05-12-00 02:09
No 3080
User Picture  		      Re: red phosphorous decomposition     

Here's a small semi-related note.
By heating Yellow (White) phosphorous for 8 to 10 days under pressure in an inert atmosphere you will yeild Red phosporous.

Yes, That is white to red.

Kr 		 
 
 
 
    carlito
(Stranger)
05-12-00 03:31
No 3103
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker problem     

Well, I did separate into two portions so I could fit it in my sep funnel.  And I tried washing with more water.  Alot more water.  I also took a separate portion and tried to wash with dcm, but nothing I put into this mess seems to change it's consistency.

I also tried filtering out the black gunky stuff with coffee filters, just to see if it would clean up the solution enough to see a separation, but no go.

And don't worry, I ain't quitin' yet.  I just think I might want to switch to the Osmium KRV method.  I got plenty o' sassy.  I got like 6 liters for 80 bucks.  I've distilled quite a bit of it to safrole, and I got enough palladium chloride to try several types of wacker oxidations.  I just hate the fucking benzoquinone, and I stained my fucking fingers doing the benzo wacker.  Went right through my fucking gloves!!  Guess that will learn me to mess with metals ;->

Anyway, by 'switching to KRV'  I'm talkin about osmium's.  It uses methanol, CuCl2 and Palladium chloride.  It sounds intensive, but the reaction should be easier to follow, and sounds like it has lots of visual cues to keep me on track.

Any experience with the Osmium KRV? 		 
 
 
 
    analog
(Stranger)
05-12-00 03:35
No 3105
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker problem     

i have been contempling the benzo-whacker for some time, and was having trouble finding DMF could you recommend a comprable solvent? 		 
 
 
 
    FILO
(Stranger)
05-12-00 04:29
No 3117
User Picture  		      Re: Anthranilic Acid     

Cheapskate like you said on the other post it all boils down to O-Toluidine. I noticed Dye CO. sell it cheaper than Chem. Co. I wonder how watched it is in the Dye industry? I know the Chem Co. seem somewhat hessitant to sell it because of DEA licensing. But the Dye industry in europe don,t seem to care I think its 40$ for 2.5 L.
                                                                               		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-12-00 04:47
No 3123
User Picture  		      Re: Research chemical suppliers - comparative quality.     

I'm with Pimpy. JLF's quality is consistent and they are a known quantity. I wish I had an insight to offer as to differential subjective quality. I am going to try ESHU after my next bank job for sure though! 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Stranger)
05-12-00 05:09
No 3127
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

1. after the 24h extraction, could the ether/thc filtrate then be reacted directly with acetyl chloride without evaping the ether and then re-dissolving and then doing the acetyl chloride reaction?

2. How much acetyl chloride should be used in ratio to thc/ether solution?

3. What are the visual sighns that the reaction is going well, and that it's done?

4. what is this Na2CO3 and NaHCO3 stuff, and where is it obtained OTC? Or, are there more readily available alternatives? 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-12-00 05:22
No 3130
User Picture  		      Re: This may be part of the sodium cyanno post     

Thanks for your great input Zooligan on running the NaCNBH3...  Where can one possibly obtain Nitrogen, all she has been able to get a hold of is those big containers?  So, she would substitute the Nitrogen for Argon which hasn't given her any problems.  Has anybody else tried this?

But the question still remains, can one hypothetically substitue NaCNBH3 for NaBH4 in this process?  If so, could one substitue straight across or what would be the amounts for producing not-MDA?

Again, many thanks in advance!!!

Regards,

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Newbee)
05-12-00 05:41
No 3137
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

OK OK duracell 2450's are tha way to go but how many vs how much pfed?

cool 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Stranger)
05-12-00 05:45
No 3139
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

SWIMP dreamt: hot dH2O was added to codine and acetominphin(sp?) pills in a graduated cylinder. It was stirred for a min or 2 then let settle. SWIMP's dream observed: A dense white layer on the bottom with a large clear H2O layer above the bottom layer with a fluffy-puffy white foam floating on top. It is evident to SWIMP  that there are 3 layers here. There are 3 ingredients in the cylinder also. Has simply adding H2O seperated the codine from the acetominophin? SWIMP thinks that would bee to easy. Since SWIMP doesnt know much about messing with OTC codine pills, he would like your help. What does he and/or she have here??? 		 
 
 
 
    SplattyReflux
(Stranger)
05-12-00 07:20
No 3157
User Picture  		      Re: NaS-(CH2)nH [Some ideas for 2C-T synth]     

Yep, just checked an old Vogel's. See p 585 of the fourth edition, regarding the addtion of a thiol to 2,4-dinitro-bromobenzene. However, I haven't tried this personally, and couldn't say wether this reaction works only due to the o,p nitro groups. Incidentally, that earlier reference is for the room temp. synth. of sulfides using thiophenols, NaOH, alkyl halides, and surfactants (~90% yield) in 15 min. Hope its useful. And regarding metal mercaptides (i.e. sulfur equivalents of alkoxides), I think its very unlikely you'd come across the salt ready made, and would have to make it from the thiol anyway, so why bother? I concede that I could be wrong on this one, and in truth would be happy to hear of any sources of sodium mercaptides that anyone knows of.

...another fine mess I've got you into.
        =Splatty= 		 
 
 
 
    blanka
(Stranger)
05-12-00 08:30
No 3175
User Picture  		      Re: possible phenylalanine to MDMA     

In the body phenylalanine is converted to tyrosine with a coenzyme, tetrahydrobiopterin, used as a cosubstrate.

A coenzyme is used in the body to convert tyrosine to dopa.

No need for refs. It's in most BC (biochem) books. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-12-00 10:12
No 3198
User Picture  		      Re: dexedrine spansules     

Almost all pelleted time release formulations can be overcome by grinding the pellets into a very fine powder, capping it and there you go. Regular gelatin caps will delay the experience by only 7 to 20 minutes. 		 
 
 
 
    chemdumb
(Stranger)
05-12-00 11:21
No 3224
User Picture  		      Re: A route to P2P     

Read KrZ's "With a vengence"

Surprise! He's back. And dropped the bomb shell.

I should go piss him off. He does so much when he is mad. 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Stranger)
05-12-00 14:44
No 3287
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

If you get a hold of Zubricks Organic Chemistry Survival Guide, you will find the equations you are looking for. Mind you the math looks slightly involved.

Also known as antibody 		 
 
 
 
    Jump
(Stranger)
05-12-00 14:51
No 3292
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

Hi Placebo..

You can screw the chili up by shooting NaOH into it? Yeah, I did that BEFORE I added the Toulene layer. I saw white streaks shooting though the water layer as I shot some sodium hydroxide into it.

Now, you say that Povidone looks like 'cottage cheese' in the Toulene layer?? Hmmmm.. I used the generic Save On / Albertsons /Wall Mart "Psuedophedrine Hydrochloride" red hots. No Povidone is listed in the ingredients. Umm, so maybe it's there anyway?? Shit.

Anyway, I guess the moral is if you have cottage cheese looking stuff in your Non-Polar layer it's crap!

Yeah, I will look up steam distillation.

Thanks for your help Placebo! Any comments on why a Bee wouldn't get a Pull during the P/P??

regards,


Jump 		 
 
 
 
    Yeshua
(Stranger)
05-12-00 15:03
No 3298
User Picture  		      Re: Vaproiser for weed smokin     

bee1055: Now, now, bee nice...

"Boy, howdy, that was a LONG trip!" 		 
 
 
 
    Chopper_
(Stranger)
05-12-00 15:40
No 3309
User Picture  		      Re: alkylation of amines [or: MDA --> MDMA the easy w]     

If you react formaldehyde with the amine to make the imine, using K10 clay to absorb the water formed from the dehydration (the clay should be slightly acidic, also helping to drive the reaction), hopefully you can get a high yield of schiffs base intermediate which can be reduced with formic acid. Whether isolation of the imine is feasable is something i havent got around to looking up. I was looking into this before the old BBS went down, and never got around to running the reaction. If i do, ill be sure to post the results. 		 
 
 
 
    placebo
(Hive Bee)
05-12-00 15:47
No 3311
User Picture  		      Re: With a Vengeance     

And all the people rejoiced, for their leader had arisen!

Fuck yeah, he is back, baby!

Yes, I do know everything! 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Stranger)
05-12-00 15:55
No 3314
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

Any idea if this is scheduled in canada?

I see DET as scheduled but not AET. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-12-00 17:08
No 3332
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

Draw a straight line through the normal boiling point (100°), the observed boiling point (45°C) and the line will intersect at the pressure you have in your system.



http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-12-00 17:17
No 3341
User Picture  		      Re: NaS-(CH2)nH [Some ideas for 2C-T synth]     

I strongly suspect that the substitution works due to the nitro groups (through nucleophilic aromatic substitution, NAS).

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-12-00 17:33
No 3348
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

1. The filtrate could probably be used right away, just make sure it is anhydrous (dry over MgSO4).

2. Use 1.1 molar excess of acetyl chloride to be sure all the THC is acetylated.

3. I don't think there is any visual signs, but there is no reason to believe the reaction shouldn't go to completion in a few minutes.

4. NaHCO3 is baking soda (bicarbonate), and Na2CO3 is washing soda.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-12-00 19:40
No 3411
User Picture  		      Re: Chems in Mexico?     

Ending up in a Mexico jail is the least of my concerns.  Put it like this, it costs approxiamately $20 (that is if you don't know anybody over there) for just about any kind of prescription you want and then you just locate your desired pharmacy.  How do you think all those bodybuilders get their desired chemistry enhancements?

I'm just not sure about chemicals and glassware.  Come on BEES!!

Thanks,

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    PoPimp
(Stranger)
05-12-00 20:23
No 3423
User Picture  		      Re: This may be part of the sodium cyanno post     

Zooligan-

Would you possibly have any additional information regarding the sodium cyano reduction method (TSII), however one would like to switch NaCNBH3 with NaBH4?

Thanks-

-PoPimp- 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-12-00 20:55
No 3441
User Picture  		      Re: 99% Formaldehyde ?     

READ OS's POST YA'LL.

40% (by weight) is the maximum concentration ... without the formaldehyde either 1.Vaporizing, or 2. Polymerizing.   

So to re-hash what Os said ... if its a solid then it is PARAformaldehyde ... the polymerized form ... and it can
be used as is ... cause when it gets into water it de-polymerizes into formaldehyde.    If 'stuff' is a liquid it is most likely, 99% (a 40% formaldehyde solution) with some dye.

So that stuff on the shelf of the aquarium dept ... is probably a ~40% formaldehyde solution ... with a little green dye.   How much is it?    You can buy 150g bags of paraformaldehyde for 2$.

Dig it?


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    MaDMAx
(Stranger)
05-12-00 22:15
No 3472
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

Thanks very much that is quite helpful. For the water boiling point I get a value of about 90-100 torr. After my last post I distilled some safrole and it came over at 145C which gives a value of around 60 torr. So I will assume that I'm pulling maybe 80 torr. Is that a decent amount for an old refridgerator compressor? 		 
 
 
 
    MaDMAx
(Stranger)
05-12-00 23:55
No 3491
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

I just buy mine from the local chem. supply shop.  I would like to find an OTC source though, not because I am paranoid but because the chem suppliers usually charge much more than the OTC prices for stuff. 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Stranger)
05-13-00 01:15
No 3515
User Picture  		      Re: 99% Formaldehyde ?     

Speaking of paraformaldehyde, I know it is sometimes sold as mildewcide, but which section of my friendly Home Depot store can I find something like mildewcide, that is paraformaldehyde. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-13-00 02:28
No 3547
User Picture  		      Re: quantitation in thin layer chromatography     

Some consideration are: (1) both I2 & H2SO4 are VERY CORROSIVE and placing this onto your scanner is NOT safe.
(2)the intensity of the I2 absorbed spot will slowly fade as the I2 is volitile and the spot intensity is inaccurate as you are scanning the plate.

Ninhydrin is the reagent to use. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-13-00 03:22
No 3558
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

PI3 + 3 C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ===>>
3 C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H3PO3
An excess of PI3 is needed to make HI.
2PI3 + 6H2O ==>> 6HI + 2H3PO3
Red Phosphorus is needed to recycle the I2 that comes from the reduction of C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HI
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HI ==>>
C6H5-CH2-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + I2

2P + 3I2 ==>> 2PI3
The PI3 then reacts with H2O to form more HI.


If you make HI abd then add Ephedrine ...
HI + C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ===>>
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H2O
C6H5-CH(-I)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HI ==>>
C6H5-CH2-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + I2

In theory you need 2 moles of HI per mole of Ephedrine, however a ratio of 3:1 is used. Thats you the I2 is recycled by the P.
2P + 3I2 ==>> 2PI3
2PI3 + 6H2O ==>> 6HI + 2H3PO3 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-13-00 03:34
No 3561
User Picture  		      Re: 99% Formaldehyde ?     

Look around the bug poison and fertilizer. Or ask one of the happy, smiling, cheerful, ready to assist folks in the gay orange aprons. 		 
 
 
 
    Teonanacatl
(Stranger)
05-13-00 04:10
No 3574
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

Anyone ever hit the G at work, do tell!

blush
...well...depends on the job...
wink


The freedom to say 2+2=4...

 
 
 
 
    thermite
(Stranger)
05-13-00 04:41
No 3591
User Picture  		      Re: nomenclature     

Thanks!

That was so simple...Should have figured that out!

Ignorance is prison for the mind. 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Stranger)
05-13-00 05:14
No 3596
User Picture  		      Re: adderall vs. dexedrine     

adderall is racemic amphetamine (basically Benzedrine remarketed).  dexedrine is the d-isomer of amphetamine, which has a higher affinity for the "brain" receptors, whereas adderall is a mix of the d and l isomers.  the l-isomer has a higher affinity for the "body" receptors, and will give more of the peripheral effects (cold hands, feet, etc) and jitters than dexedrine does.  For a very extreme comparison of what I'm talking about, look at the difference between methamphetamine and ephedrine.  Ephedrine makes you feel like you're having a panic attack.  Meth makes you feel like you're on top of the world, your nerves are cool as ice, and your mind is as sharp as a razors edge.  Like I said, an extreme comparison, but it gives the general idea of what I'm trying to convey.

adderall is being heavily pushed to the psych community because it doesn't have the "street recognition" that dexedrine and ritalin do.  Therapeutically, it's a stupid move to give antsy kids a drug that have a much higher potential than dexxies or desoxyn to make them more antsy. 

Adderral is also much harder on the cardiovascular system, and more likely to cause nasties such as heart attacks and strokes (although granted, the target population of the med isn't exactly prone to cv problems).

It's a grand marketing scheme that not only pushes the product to the consumer market, but has been putting both social and legal (not directly, but the overtones are there) pressure on the doctors. 		 
 
 
 
    GED
(Stranger)
05-13-00 06:05
No 3607
User Picture  		      Re: Old KrZ post     

Zooligan,
   This is very encouraging news You have, from Rhodium
The D-Meth is what You want, for sure.  l-Meth is availible over the counter at CVS drug stores, in their nasal inhailers. It doesn't do anything. Won't even clear your nose.
   A methylation method is included in the old KrZ post by Icepick, just below this.
   If this method works, as posted, then KrZ deserves so kind of Nobel Prize for clandestine chemistry !!
 This one method is priceless, not to mention all the others he has posted !!
  I want to believe in KrZ's methods. I think the problem is that non-chemist, like me, have a hard time understanding the fine points of some of these writeups and well educated chemist have a hard time explaining things on our level. It's a bit like teaching a child to play the piano. It takes a lot of patients on both sides. Keep us posted on your results ?
GED

 Have been informed that there is no l-meth in CVS nasal inhalers. If l-Desoxyephedrine is not the same as l-meth then I apologize for posting disinformation.
 Enough of that here already.

 Zool, Have not tried Masterplan. Will post results if ever get around to it.

 GED 		 
 
 
 
    Maighstir
(Stranger)
05-13-00 11:42
No 3671
User Picture  		      Re: quantitation in thin layer chromatography     

Thanks for the advise wiz. The article mentioned this about the I2 (I think it's safe to assume that most people here know something about I2 considering the use in meth production).

Ninhydrin huh, I'll remember that.

P.S. You'll probably know this one but here goes anyway.

Title: Plant drug analysis (unfortunately very expensive but extremely usefull for TLC practitioners).

Vae victis meretrix est et mors venit. 		 
 
 
 
    Nutmeg238
(Stranger)
05-13-00 17:55
No 3735
User Picture  		      Re: Acteldehyde     

Can someone post references on the benzyl Cl + CH3CHO --> P2P synth (or related reactions)?

  
 
 
 
    thermite
(Stranger)
05-13-00 20:56
No 3767
User Picture  		      Re: natural ph indicators     

Also there is a great page on Worlock's site.

I'll never buy ph paper again! 		 
 
 
 
    potpourri
(Stranger)
05-13-00 23:10
No 3799
User Picture  		      Re: not saliva but it has potential...     

Oh, I was just trying to be cute.  You see, salvia is NOT saliva (which is alot more fun, in my humble op).  I added "but it has potential" because the question was about potentiation.  But thanks for caring. . . 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Stranger)
05-14-00 00:19
No 3816
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

I'm just bringing this thread to the top b/c I'd like to know how many grams of Lith per g of E
thanx 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 02:15
No 3861
User Picture  		      Re: bubble or acid work up     

anybody 		 
 
 
 
    ozbee
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 02:15
No 3862
User Picture  		      Re: bubble or acid work up     

dogg I understand you may want to see the resulting pure Pseudoephedrine Hcl and weigh it for return% and the like . I have this feeling you may want it in freebase form depending on your method . This is why I A/B with ether as I add it near on imeadiately to be reacted birch style .

Backyard chemistry
down under with ozbee 		 
 
 
 
    aquagirl
(Stranger)
05-14-00 02:18
No 3866
User Picture  		      Re: Denatured GBL     

On the otherhand, had it not been posted - those of us who don't deal with them would not have known.

Posting on the Hive isn't going to be the problem.  Most of us here are semi-responsible.  Wait until someone posts it all over the bodybuilding and a.d.c..  Then things will get more fucked up.

Thank You for the info Black Death.  I've kicked the 12x/day dosing schedule G habit, but I am glad to know that I can lay in at least a small supply for special occasions.  This compound, and the honesty and openess that it inspires, brought my husband and I much closer.  I'd hate to lose getting to have those 2 day meth/GBL lovebabble sessions for the rest of our lives :)

Now- Osmium, go figure out that THF/calcium hypochlorite oxidation, and write it up in a monosyllabic step-by-step detailed method for those of us that are textbook style chemistry impaired.  		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Newbee)
05-14-00 02:41
No 3880
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

Methanol you dont need a reason to buy but I don't know why you would go to a chemical supplier for it depending where you live it can be easy to find as an alternative fuel.

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    ken
(Stranger)
05-14-00 02:58
No 3892
User Picture  		      Re: chicken feed ?     

perhaps one should start a chiken farm. anyone know who stocks it? 		 
 
 
 
    2stoned
(Stranger)
05-14-00 03:20
No 3898
User Picture  		      Re: imports to oz     

I've got a freind who is a glassblower, where do i get blanks, joints? are they easier to get than than the finished product? 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-14-00 04:39
No 3916
User Picture  		      Re: Electochemistry     

I'll put a list together and URLs. 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 05:38
No 3929
User Picture  		      Re: Hey Iudexk ... [salicylaldehyde --> catechole]     

This is another entry from TSII:

NaHCO3 and dH2O are stirred in a 3-neck flask with 2 addition funnels attached.
One funnel has salicylaldehyde, the other concentrated H2O2 (30% min). Both salicylaldehyde and H2O2 are dripped in simultaneuosly causing a vigorous reaction to occur who's temperature needs to be kept at 48-55°C with external cooling for 30 minutes. After addition the solution stirs for 1 hour at 20°C to give a yield of catechol at 95%.
Looks pretty good don't it ?

Yeah, looks good but exact amounts wouldn't be bad. But at least there's a ref:
CA, 75, 48687e (1971)

Where does one go from there ?

* Methylenation with DCM/NaOH to get benzodioxole

* then there are several ways:
1) bromination with Br2 in AcOH and formation of a Grignard reagent( = add Mg)
1.1) react with allyl-Br to get safrole
1.2) or react with propyleneoxide to get the P-3-Pol which can be turned into Safrol with KHSO4
1.3) or you could let it react with propanal which would form the P-1-Pol. The P-1-Pol if treated with KHSO4 gives rise to isosafrole
1.4) you could also let it react with ethyleneoxide to give 3,4-MDO-Phenylethanol which could be oxidized to 3,4-MDO-PAA
1.5) you could make piperonal from that with N-methylformanilide
1.6) or you could make the benzylalcohol with formaldehyde which could then be oxidized to piperonal

2) Now forget about the Grignard.
2.1) Chloromethylate the benzodioxole with HCOH and HCl
2.2) Turn the benzyl-Cl into piperonal with hexamine/HCl or other chems
2.3) You could also do chloropropylation with propanal and HCl.
the 1-chloro-propyl intermediate could be turned into the P-1-Pol with KOH which gives Isosafrole with KHSO4

3) some intresting rxns are/may be possible with (the grignard reagent of) the benzyl-Cl:
3.1) MDP2P with acetonitrile [Grignard]
3.2) MDP2P with ethanal [see ethanal thread in the chemistry disc.]
3.3) MDP2P via dibenzylzinc with ZnCl2 and Ac2O or AcOH, not sure [see phenylacetone.txt @ Rhodiums page] [Grignard]
3.4) MDO-PAA with CO2 [Grignard]

and some more things are also possible I think...

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    Biscuit2
(Stranger)
05-14-00 05:42
No 3931
User Picture  		      Re: Chemistry behind ephedrine -> meth     

So for a shoddy, low yielding synth of ephedrine to meth, only HI is required?

And clearly there are some excellent chemistry minds on this thread and this will help the MDMA guys too.

Does DMSO/NaBr/H2SO4 make HBr in DMSO or Br2. (its just isn't HBr colourless, but the DMSO is turned orange, implying Br2 instead???)

and the same for NaI, is HI made or just I2.
Thanks 		 
 
 
 
    DementedAngel
(Stranger)
05-14-00 06:49
No 3951
User Picture  		      Re: Domestic Shipping     

first you started a thread asking how to stay out of jail, then you started this thread.

There is no way to mail "safely" 

Way to stay out of jail is to not do anything that will get you arrested, or be very lucky and very very good at what you do. 

DA





--Science is truth found out; the truth can be made up if you know how. 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 06:53
No 3954
User Picture  		      Re: meth manufacture     

listen dude all the simple ways are here all ready if there was anything simpler wed all be doing it

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    JedZed
(Stranger)
05-14-00 07:05
No 3959
User Picture  		      Re: Finally, a good use for 2C-H     

Nice catch.  Yes, hydrogen is usually essential to these reductions. blush   Actually, it was fucked up because he said in the preamble or ramble or whatever that 2~3 atm were good for the reaction, but in the actual procedure that the reaction mixture had the H2 "passed over" it.  Whatever that means. 		 
 
 
 
    yesca
(Stranger)
05-14-00 07:20
No 3970
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

yeah, the itches etc. never really bother me either.  but i hate the fucking nauseau, which kicks in as soon as the ganja wears off.  does atarax really work for this sort of nauseau? 		 
 
 
 
    cognodysleptic
(Stranger)
05-14-00 12:45
No 4024
User Picture  		      Re: fun? with adderall     

nope they are beautiful baby blue 10mg pills. solid, and chunky. 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Newbee)
05-14-00 14:09
No 4049
User Picture  		      Re: l-tryptophan -> LSA?     

Drug Phreak!

Is that article in electronic form?

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-14-00 15:04
No 4064
User Picture  		      Re: hydrofluoric acid     

No. HF is much too reactive to be used as a general hydrohalide.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-14-00 15:12
No 4066
User Picture  		      Re: CH3-CH2NH2-COOH ?     

Are you talking about CH3-CH2(NH2)-COOH or NH2-CH2-CH2-COOH? Both sure exist.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 15:39
No 4070
User Picture  		      Re: CH3-CH2NH2-COOH ?     

Well, I've been thinkin about the isomeres but that shouldn't matter in the end.
Let's say I like both. :)
It shouldn't be a big problem to decarboxylate them to get ethylamine ? 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 17:40
No 4116
User Picture  		      Re: Plastic Push Pull tanks     

but those were just dreams, not reality 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 18:16
No 4123
User Picture  		      Re: MDMA and SSRIs     

So that means prozac + speed = nothing ? 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Stranger)
05-14-00 21:00
No 4166
User Picture  		      Re: GHB Wrongfully Illegal     

ok so what would you say to a company taking names on ordering gbl?  Do you think the dea would be busting down my door? 		 
 
 
 
    Exsikkator
(Hive Bee)
05-14-00 21:26
No 4180
User Picture  		      Re: WARNING     

Stonium isn´t Stonie and isn´t Agent Smith. From our SQL-database at Echelon I got some suspicious e:mails and a search result tells that this Stonium is Special Agent Johnson.

Cheers, Ex................
What´s a signature? 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Newbee)
05-14-00 22:33
No 4197
User Picture  		      Re: OTC sources of DMF     

Zeph, read http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/wacker.benzo2.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Jump
(Stranger)
05-15-00 00:26
No 4216
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

Hi Hapiaz..

I gotta learn to explain this stuff better! Sorry for my mis-communication.

I dumped the lye layer , then washed the Toulene layer a coupla times with Dh2o- now I see I shoulda kept the lye layer for a 2nd pull. I added fresh dh2o a 3rd time, (not hot though, haven't heard of that yet) then took a pipette and dropped HCL into the sep funnel CAREFULLY so the ph wouldn't go to 6. I checked the ph with a digital ph meter, and it was 7.2. Now I shook it a little, and some honey went into the hcl/water layer, but evidently not enough. The cottage cheese was still in the Toulene layer

I'm still wondering if the E was converted, as I never got the whoosh. I'm also wondering if I shouldn't have added more RP and I2 after 60 minutes - I mean , HOW LONG do you wait for the pull?  And do you go above 150 degrees???  I finally added about 2 ml of water after 70 minutes and it all went liquid....do you need the pull for the E to convert?? Everything up to 60 minutes looked textbook (according to worlocks instructions) ...then, nothing.

Thanks for the help bees..


Jump 		 
 
 
 
    Kid_Charlemagne
(Stranger)
05-15-00 02:01
No 4240
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

Hey there, all the "i'm a bad ass and know everything" shit needs to stop...
I think that you would save a lot of time and hassle if you checked with www.labx.com, they have a lot of stirrers used for low prices . it is auction style
Good luck Tbeenz
ROLL ON 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-15-00 02:40
No 4270
User Picture  		      Re: Why wash Iodine from used Red Phos     

No need to wash the RP unless it is not working too well. The iodine is not the problem. RP adsorbs a lot of things on the surface of the particles. It is the only chemical in the reaction that ends up as a solid everything else is in solution. So it tends to have all the un filterable and solid unwanted debris in the filter with it. The worst probably being wax from pills and flammable organic molecules.

The yellowing maybe from other contaminents and not only  iodine, also from organic break down products some of which may contain iodine. Sulfur compounds being particularly funky.

Since the iodine is recycled in the reaction, I have a suspicion that it can be reduced considerably. And  plan to carry out some test for this, may have to introduce some of the  the ephedrine during the reaction and probably increase the RP.

 I don't think anyone knows how much iodine is in the RP.
It would be a little difficult to determine but not impossible , The only difficulty would be obtaining a dry sample to test because the heat would drive off some of the iodine, and it smells bad.

 SWIM purchased some used RP.
 A sample was not pre dried for the initial weigh-in but 20% was lost to the wash, and post-wash drying.
Moisture, iodine, and an organic grease similar to brake fluid was in it.
But no go-go as is told in fairy tales about used RP.
Go-go  being water soluble is not expected to be found, since the filtered RP would have a little water run through it at the end .

After writing this I have a urge to go wash my used RP.
I have used it unwashed.
Suddenly it seems like a good idea to clean it up well,  and dry it prior to use.

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    gemini33
(Stranger)
05-15-00 02:49
No 4274
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

Jump
You mentioned somewhere above that AFTER the reaction the chili/water was pH 8..?? Sounds like something is definately wrong. Typically the pH after the reaction is around 1 or 2, NOT 8.
g33 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-15-00 03:12
No 4277
User Picture  		      Re: mixing ingredients     

I believe it is best to mix the I2 and E very dry, but to not shake them so much that they liquify.
Then add the RP.
This mixture can then be shook up and mixed well.
When you notice a little reaction and the smell of HI.
Then add the needed amount of water.
Hold the stopper on the flask  and shake or roll until the reaction has begun to melt to the reactants.
Add any additional water needed, if it looks on the dry side.
Then seal it up,
Roll it around in the flask, until all is liquid and bubbling.
This has it moving along without ever adding heat. You will notice the reaction initially produces gas but no heat , the bottom of the flask is not even warm.

It is easy from here add mild amounts of heat,  to keep the bubbling active and to maintain a steady rise of the reactants without creating the violent thick smoke


One reflux method is to"
add some of the RP and I2 with water cook for 20 minites to get the HI concentration up before adding the E,
the rest of the RP is added a little at a time.

Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 03:20
No 4282
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

exactly what happened give details

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Newbee)
05-15-00 03:32
No 4285
User Picture  		      Re: hydrofluoric acid     

i dont like the sound of that shit
bad bad bad bad shit 		 
 
 
 
    Worlock
(Moderator)
05-15-00 03:58
No 4298
User Picture  		      Re: PHOS. not reacting     

You cannot oven dry iodine, the heat will turn it into a gas.
The iodine is from tincture. and you did not make it so being not certain you have to assume the worst.

So put it in a tall jar add d-water shake it up well a glass marble  helps to break up any chunks that are stuck together. Shake it more
Then let it settlefor 5minutes pour the upper layers and water through a filter. Wash the sediment very good again.
pour it in the filter twist it dry into a ball, roll the  ball into a dry stack of filters and wring it out hard, Continue changing to dry filters until the ball is dry.
Put the ball in a shallow glass jar and break up the iodine ball.
Place the glass with iodine on a piece of cardboard in your freezer, over the glass place an inverted bowl. this will act like a freeze dry unit. The water vapor will escape any iodine  will be trapped under the bowl. The longer left like this the dryer the iodine will be, but after 4 hours most of what will happen quickly is done.
If after the first two hours you warm the glass to room temp and put it under the bowl for 2 more hours, it should then be dry enough to use.


Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 04:05
No 4300
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

In some offline discussions we determined that the nalgene aspirators are not suitable for freebase oil distillation, no?  What othrer brands/models will pull 20 mmHg?  Are there any high performance aspirators in the $50-$60 range that will pull 10 mmHg or less with ice cold water?

zool

"You get what you settle for." 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Newbee)
05-15-00 05:00
No 4332
User Picture  		      Re: mixing ingredients     

Worlock, using reflux is it possible to use e freebase instead of Hcl? 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Newbee)
05-15-00 06:00
No 4354
User Picture  		      Re: Plastic Push Pull tanks     

BLOOD seems to be very concerned about emphasizing he does not break the law.

Hmmmmmmm? 		 
 
 
 
    HAPIAZ
(Stranger)
05-15-00 06:15
No 4357
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

Try this,
I am told on good authority that it works but its a lot of work and pretty messy.
Soak strikers in methanol 12 to 24 hours, shaking as often as possible. Stuff soaks right off without dissolving paper or paints.
With rubber gloves on, work the strikers through fingers to rub off last of redP and discard the cardboard bits.
Strain solution through an old pair of pantyhose to remove lumps & any paper.
Filter, discard methanol & keep stuff in filter.
Place the filtered solids in toluene in a pyrex dish and boil lightly for about 15 minutes.
Filter & let dry.
Place in muriatic acid, stir then let soak for 30 minutes or so.
Filter.
Wash with a little dH2O to remove HCl.
Place in pyrex dish with strong lye solution and boil for around 2 hrs. Gives off a lot of sulphurous fumes and forms a black scum on the surface.
Let cool, skim off the black stuff & discard.
Decant most of the lye solution off.
Add fresh dH2O and boil for 30 minutes.
Let cool & decant again.
Add more fresh dH2O and boil a little more.
Let cool & decant again, then dry by whatever means.
A final wash with a little acetone, dry and youve got yourself some pretty handy RP.
This method stinks, is a right pain in the arse but produces a pretty good substitute for real RP. 		 
 
 
 
    Hansje
(Stranger)
05-15-00 11:11
No 4420
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

Structurally PMMA differs from PMA like Meth from amphetamine and like MDMA from MDA: one amino-H substituted by a methyl.
Don't know about the difference in action, but I think (not quite sure) PMMA is not a very safe and/or interesting substance. If it would be safe and interesting, I suppose it would be readily available, because it is easily syntesized from -unwatched and dead cheap- anethole.

Hansje Pansje Kevertje..... 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-15-00 11:27
No 4421
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

Read it again, my equation is correct.
One molecule of H2O2 oxidises 2 molecules of HI, forming 2 H2O and I2. 		 
 
 
 
    repolina
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 11:57
No 4428
User Picture  		      Re: ephedrine sulfate     

what if swim had this in pill form....can it beee used???

repolina 		 
 
 
 
    KrZ
(Stranger)
05-15-00 14:48
No 4464
User Picture  		      Post deleted by KrZ     

 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Newbee)
05-15-00 15:22
No 4469
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

Well a FOAF was making NH4Cl by adding conc. HCl to household ammonia.  Blah blah NH4Cl blah blah don't inhale :)
but now he has a 6 percent NH4Cl in dilute HCl solution.  So how best to evap off the water.  It pits aluminum, so what is the best way to evap off 1 L of water? 		 
 
 
 
    Hansje
(Stranger)
05-15-00 15:27
No 4471
User Picture  		      Re: Calculating vacuum from b.p.     

If you already have a pump that reaches 80 mm Hg (roughly a 10:1 pressure ratio between out- and inlet) you could buy one of these "shitty" cheap aspirators, connect it to the outlet of your fridge compressor pump and easily reach a (better than) 10 mm Hg vacuum.

Hansje Pansje Kevertje..... 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 15:48
No 4474
User Picture  		      Re: Electochemistry     

Title : "Elektro-organische Chemie - Grundlagen und Anwendungen"
Author: Fritz Beck
Akademie-Verlag Berlin
1974

I couldn't find an ISBN number, only a licence number: 202.100/571/74
and an order number : 7618967 (6157) . LSV 1215. Maybe these are useful.

Printed in the (former) GDR.

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 15:58
No 4476
User Picture  		      Re: Best sources of gbl     

Take a look at a post I made the other day. GBL can be made by oxidizing THF.
Post 3958 (Fuchem: "Oxidation of THF to GBL from Tetrahedron Letters", Chemistry Discourse)
AND GODDAMNIT, somebody please post a comment about it! Let me know if you hate it, like it, whatever. I have a stack of journal refs ready to type up (I really need a scanner!) but am hesitant to do so if they are unneeded or not useful. Perhaps I will post a message listing the refs and let y'all vote on them BEFORE I type up another.  Forgive me if I'm sounding bitchy, I'm not, I'm just a little pissy, that's allsmile! 		 
 
 
 
    craig420
(Stranger)
05-15-00 16:02
No 4478
User Picture  		      Re: 4-aco-dipt?     

www.erowid.com has a writeup on it 		 
 
 
 
    johnboy
(Stranger)
05-15-00 16:34
No 4483
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

thank you all for this info.

just so i've got this straight PMA = 4-MTA ?
same chemical, different name?

and no i wouldnt know why anyone would bother either, but sadly some fuckers are pumping out PMA pills in oz and selling them as MDMA. it seems like a single pill (dose about 80mg) wont kill you but 4 or so probably will...

[url]http://www.bluelight.nu[url] oz/asia region 		 
 
 
 
    Cheapskate
(Stranger)
05-15-00 16:40
No 4484
User Picture  		      Re: Anthranilic Acid     

It wouldn't bother me a bit if your method works, it does bother me that I can't get it to work.  The real proof of a particular method is when someone else gets it to work.  Just saying they didn't follow directions is not an answer.

I'm irritated by the fact that out of a couple of hundred tries only a very few worked and never twice in a row.  There's something I'm missing here and I just haven't found it yet.

Anyone need some nasty black sticky plastic? 		 
 
 
 
    examine
(Stranger)
05-15-00 16:47
No 4487
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

snelle ,
 MeOH you can get at "Beversport" it's for camping gear (check for iodine too !!)
mail me for more info...

ex-amine

(**) 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Newbee)
05-15-00 17:09
No 4493
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

As usual, you are right Osmium. I was very tierd last night and I just couldnt make sense of it. Now after sleeping, I can see the equation. In your equation, you say I2 is produced, is it 1 ion of I2 that is produced or is it 2 ions I2?

Here my equation:
2(KI)+ 2(HCl)===>>2(KCl)+2(HI)+ H202===>>2(KCl)+2(I2)+2(H2O) 		 
 
 
 
    Stonium
(Moderator)
05-15-00 17:18
No 4498
User Picture  		      Re: Journal Refs-MDMA Use and Effects     

What are you saying Ex, I think I got that article here too, but I didn't put it up.

JADED

Stonium 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Newbee)
05-15-00 17:33
No 4501
User Picture  		      Re: remote mountain lab and storage of chems     

I didnt think redP reacts with O2?!?!

If so, then why doesnt it react when left out to dry on a plate? why dont the srtike pads on matches spontaneously react on the store shelfs? What is this "reaction" you are refering to? Are ya thinking of white P maybe?

I would like to emphasize that I dont not have any lab anywhere. This is a hypothetical discussion about a hypothetical mountain/outdoor lab.

hypotheticaly, the red is already double bagged, taped and in a plastic jar that holds H2O. No nitro was used, will anything bad happen to the imaginary person who opens it, or will the red be unusable? 		 
 
 
 
    Hansje
(Stranger)
05-15-00 18:26
No 4521
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

Chopper_: Now you have me curious too!
I think 4-MTA is just the result of the quest for substituted amphetamines that have not yet been scheduled.
It wasn't exactly cheap (~$10/125mg: more expensive than MDMA!) here, so I figure the manufacturers could throw in an extra synthesis step or two.
What also had me wondering is that 4-MTA is the first of the long series of would-be MDMA substitutes that does not appear in PiHKAL. So someone must have found it in some medical or pharmaceutical paper or....?
BTW: I bet you can find a lot of info about adding a methylthio to a ring in PiHKAL's 2-C-T section.

Hansje Pansje Kevertje..... 		 
 
 
 
    Coitus
(Newbee)
05-15-00 19:14
No 4530
User Picture  		      Re: legitimate uses of pottasium permanganate     

Water Softeners......I got some from sears, I'n the Water Softner section. That was a few years ago.



Coitus

Formerly know as Joe uGly 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-15-00 20:15
No 4558
User Picture  		      Re: MDA synth     

Trust Osmium, I believe he has tried the reaction and found out that the yield was very low. I just speculated, and found no apparent reason why It wouldn't work just like with methylamine.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Newbee)
05-15-00 20:26
No 4566
User Picture  		      Re: 5-MeO-DiPT and harmala     

URL please?

Thnaks,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 20:29
No 4569
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

Check out ecstasy.org for a writeup on 4MTA by the inventor.
Rhodium has a link to this one on his link-page/pharmacology archive somewhere.

--psyloxy-- 		 
 
 
 
    methamphibian
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 20:34
No 4575
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

If you dont know yourself then STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM FREON. nothing but HCl can attatch the HCl onto whatever the fuck your putting it on. Freon will not put HCl on shit because it is not HCl it is freon. Get it?

I cant believe I actually used to be as ignorant as this! 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-15-00 20:56
No 4587
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

Damn...someone needs a bump...It's ok to think about alternative gasses, just be informed on traceable sources!!!If you could 'walk off' with one of these sources, you might do it that way---of course you'd have to 'borrow' a friggen forklift as well...or bring 3 or 4 really strong friends!!!
 As you can see, you're looking at a 250lb. container that stands about 5' tall and is 24-36" in diameter. Not an easy thing to hide!! Keep all options open, due to the fact that SOMEONE(?) has to have an uncle in the position to have some of this stuff around the shop or biz that he won't miss a few siphoned off squirts, but it would have to be done close to this container, as you can't repackage this HIGHLY CORROSIVE gas w/o losing something: volume of gas, skin off your hide, etc...

as for freon? If you could use freon for anything, I'm with Meth on that one...not a good idea because the compound ain't worth shit when it comes to synths and what you're intending on trying w/ it...

Stay TighT bro   XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-15-00 21:15
No 4595
User Picture  		      Re: legitimate uses of pottasium permanganate     

Meth man, I've tried to find a good source on KMno4, but that shit is harder to find than a virgin inna whore house! I tried  contacting Sears here locally, even went to several farmer's co-op's, hardware stores, and even chemical suppliers around here...ones that will carry red P, but not KMno4!!!go figure!

If you do come up with a place to find this shit, and it's a major chain of suppliers that I can find one of their stores where I am, PLEASE, let me in on it...I need to go cold on my synths instead of the wat I dream of making my shit now...

Stay TighT bro   XXX 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-15-00 21:20
No 4599
User Picture  		      Re: how to make diethylsulfate ?     

The SECOND last century, you mean ;)

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Newbee)
05-15-00 22:37
No 4625
User Picture  		      Re: Isolating a salt from a solution     

what is the best way for someone with standard kitchen apparatus to evap roughly 500 mL of acetone MeOH.  Without making a lot of chemical fumes.  Could an electric hotplate w/ something on top, outdoors work.  What would be good to put on top.

Thanx rhodium
Alphabeta121 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Newbee)
05-15-00 22:50
No 4630
User Picture  		      Re: Short reaction time     

edited 		 
 
 
 
    neville
(Stranger)
05-15-00 22:52
No 4631
User Picture  		      Re: legitimate uses of pottasium permanganate     

here you just walk into the chemist (drugstore ) and pick up a 100gm bottle of crystals for 12$ 		 
 
 
 
    damo
(Stranger)
05-15-00 22:53
No 4632
User Picture  		      Re: questions     

that would be to use clean decent grade chemicals, and how to spell 'answer' :) 		 
 
 
 
    neville
(Stranger)
05-15-00 22:55
No 4633
User Picture  		      Re: legitimate uses of pottasium permanganate     

hey explosive chem man how about you swap me 1kg of red P for a kg of KMnO4 ? 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-15-00 22:55
No 4634
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

relax amphibian dont get your fucking panties in a bunch you sound like my ex-girlfriend thats why shes an ex
I was just asking a simple question as dumb as it might be it was just a question

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    Hippocampus
(Stranger)
05-15-00 23:56
No 4656
User Picture  		      Re: getting rp off of matchbooks     

I heard a die grinder works mighty fine. 		 
 
 
 
    dogg
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 01:37
No 4710
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

oh dont worry you didnt hurt my feelings in the least in fact it was you that i thought was getting worked up!
but anyway i do appreciate the advice i will make sure i note it thanx
:)

I dont condone breaking the law Im
 just exercising my first amendmant 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 01:42
No 4717
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

Shit Dogg, you could always huff the freon. Jus' dont freeze your lips. Tank upright, gas. Tank upside down, liquid. You want the gas. Just remember to breathe air every once in a while. On second thought, run down to the headshop and grab some whippets. 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 01:44
No 4719
User Picture  		      Re: gas     

On second thought, fuck that. Back in the good old days, R-12 was one of the most common referigerants around (i.e., in the air conditioners at school). I have no idea what ref you have. Forget it. 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 03:30
No 4771
User Picture  		      Re: ph is 13 now what?     

I don't use toluene but it sounds like you need to heat the whole thing up in order for the non polar the suck up the cottage cheese(freebase). 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 04:09
No 4795
User Picture  		      Re: ph is 13 now what?     

Depends where you live as to what you use. I could do with some toluene for my pill cleanups but as for a nonpolar solvent in an a b extraction I use a petrolium distilate called Shellite. I think its an oz thing. The toluene should be better for this though. 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 04:11
No 4796
User Picture  		      Re: ph is 13 now what?     

The shit in your coffe filters should be Freebase ephedrine.
Just wash that withwater and presto. If you want the salt though you will have to disolve in toluene and gas or add hcl 		 
 
 
 
    Jump
(Stranger)
05-16-00 04:29
No 4801
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

Gemini...



Actually, after the rxn , the chili in the flask was probably around 1 or 2...but I don't know, because I didn't check the ph of the chili directly, ..which I will from now on.. ..I  filtered off the rp, mixed in some dh20 , filtered again..added a total of about 400 ml of dh20....got excited, it had a nice golden color..then squirted some NaOh in.. I  remember the ph shooting up fast..I saw 3, then 4...I left the ph meter in the flask for a minute to settle , and THEN it was about 8-9...after checking, I took the ph to 13....then put the lye/meth water in the sep, and added the Toulene layer....

I think my problem was not getting all the wax & other crap outta the psuedo red hots...although Povidone was not a listed ingredient on the box, I wonder if it was there anyway.

the resulting meth from this "non-rxn" tasted ok, and the effect on the body is somewhat "speedy", but it has a  "fear in the gut" ,teeth-grinding dissociative feeling,  not what I would call great crank. Maybe it''s ..heh..underdone.....



Thanks again for your help...I wish all the old posts were back!


Jump 		 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 05:30
No 4831
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

All this talk about sheep. I thought I was joking when I said ausie bees fucked sheep, but you people talk about it like pimpin' hoes. I guess it's true.

~~Atomic Pickle. 		 
 
 
 
    Bwiti
(Stranger)
05-16-00 05:35
No 4832
User Picture  		      Re: how to separate codeine     

If an evil chemist wanted to go from codeine to morphine, or oxycodone, what role would the caffeine contaminant play?? Would it be destroyed before an end product was obtained?? 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Stranger)
05-16-00 07:32
No 4870
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

couldn't you just distill the acid out of battery water?


-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 08:51
No 4907
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

atomic pickle
you wont some sheep black or white 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Newbee)
05-16-00 09:19
No 4918
User Picture  		      Re: Best sources of gbl     

Why dont you just synth it from BDO 1,4 it shouldnt be that hard....or let me refrase that I only looked at it for a minute a long time ago... I dont remember it being that hard. 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Stranger)
05-16-00 10:14
No 4934
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

They're both polar, but there might be other things in denatured alcohol that's non-polar. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-16-00 10:36
No 4937
User Picture  		      Re: Isolating a salt from a solution     

Such amounts of solvents should be distilled away. 500ml of solvent vapour is a lot of stink and it's dangerous. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-16-00 10:48
No 4939
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

Arrrgh! shocked
Ok newbees, go out and buy some used chemistry books. Do some reading and then come back and ask again.

What happens when you dissolve KI and muriatic acid (HCl) in water? You will end up a solution consisting of K(+), H(+), Cl(-) and I(-). These are all ions. One can not tell how this solution was made, dissolving HI and KCl in water will produce the same solution. There is absolutely no reason for "HI" to form in solution, HCl and HI are both very strong acids which are completely dissociated (H(+) and X(-)) in solution anyway. You can't make KCl and HI out of that mixture, there just is no easy way to seperate them.

And I2 is not an ion.

Enough answers, go and get some basic books. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-16-00 10:55
No 4942
User Picture  		      Re: Wacking other oils     

According to Randolph Carter and at least one ref you can wack propenylbenzenes too. You might end up with a mixture, but the desired P2P will predominate. 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 11:40
No 4946
User Picture  		      Re: Aqua Pure Iodine Tablets?     

Sure.

"You get what you settle for." 		 
 
 
 
    DementedAngel
(Newbee)
05-16-00 11:50
No 4948
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

now I'm confuzzled...   I thought acetone was non-polar since meth wont dissolve in it.

DA



--Science is truth found out; the truth can be made up if you know how. 		 
 
 
 
    DementedAngel
(Newbee)
05-16-00 12:07
No 4955
User Picture  		      Re: ph 7.0     

around here Ace Hardware has it.  Citric Acid works, but resulting product isnt as good - imho.

DA


--Science is truth found out; the truth can be made up if you know how. 		 
 
 
 
    Homer
(Stranger)
05-16-00 12:27
No 4961
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

ok, SWIM washed his 25mg eph 120of-um, pretty good eph 3 lil pills & SWIM jitter's for a few hours.  They are little. washed & had a clear sol. of eph & water.  Then they mixed 7.43gm of Kmn04 & water (DH20). Put both in freezer til thin layer of ice formed & took out, the ice melted. Measured 15 mils & mixed w/ 250ml DH20. mixed the two & placed in fridge over night (using minature yager bottle 50ml) to measure ml's. Took out the next morning, added 50ml of IPA. About 30min's later it seperated nicely. Filtered & then acified it. about 5drops.  Evaped a small portion & poof it was gone. Thought for a min, hmm... wtf so I tried to evap more still dried clear. Figuring they screwed up they set it aside. SWIM got there lawnmower out & noticed the plate sitting there & there was this bitter tasting goo in there. Came back to the hive to read & read some more. Keep in mind my scales were on there last leg.  They are now in scale heaven, had to put-um down. It was like a scene from ol"yeller.  Had them thing's for a long while. One shot to the # then sang dixie! 		 
 
 
 
    Homer
(Stranger)
05-16-00 12:29
No 4963
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

SWIM heard that eph instead of psudo is better. Is it? 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-16-00 12:34
No 4964
User Picture  		      Re: Oxidation of Eph. with MnO2     

DISCLAIMER : THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES OR ACADEMIC STUDY ONLY. CHECK YOUR LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS, AND PROCURE THE NECESSARY PERMITS BEFORE UNDERTAKING ANY OF THE REACTIONS DESCRIBED BELOW. WIZARD X  SHALL NOT BE HELD LIABLE AND INDEMNIFIED FROM IMPEACHMENT FOR THE USE, MISUSE, INJURY, DEATH, IMPRISIONMENT OR FELLATION DUE TO THE APPLICATION OF THIS INFORMATION.

METHCATHINONE FROM MANGANESE(IV)DIOXIDE (MnO2) OXIDATION OF EPHEDRINE

Ephedrine can be oxidizes to Methcathinone with manganese dioxide (MnO2) in anhydrous diethyl ether when freebase ephedrine is used, or anhydrous chloroform when ephedrine hydrochloride is used.

C6H5-(CHOH)-CH(NHCH3)-CH3 + MnO2 ====>> C6H5-(CO)-CH(NHCH3)-CH3 + H2O + MnO


The usefulness of this catalytic dehydrogenation reaction is it can convert hydroxy (-OH) groups to aldehydes or ketones for many compounds contaning a hydroxy (-OH) group on a benzylic or allylic position. The oxidation of allylic and benzylic alcohols of primary and secondary position using manganese(IV) dioxide is a heterogeneous reaction, and the detailed mechamism is unknown. The success depends on the freshness of the oxide and anhydrous conditions. With freshly prepared anhydrous oxide the yields may be high and the oxidation selective. It has been suggested that a possible mechanism may be :

[ 1 ] R-CH2-OH + MnO2 ====>> R-CHO + H2O + MnO

[ 2 ] H2O + MnO ====>> MnO2 + H2

but it is uncertain whether H2O is formed first or there is a straight H2 abstraction.

Benzylic Position :

C6H5-(CHOH)-CH(NHCH3)-CH3 + MnO2 ====>> C6H5-(CO)-CH(NHCH3)-CH3 + H2 + MnO2

C6H5-CH2-OH + MnO2 ====>> C6H5-CHO + H2 + MnO2

Allylic Position :

C6H5-CH=CH-CH2-OH + MnO2 ====>> C6H5-CH=CH-CHO + H2 + MnO2

C6H5-CH2-CH(OH)-CH=CH2 + MnO2 =====>> C6H5-CH2-C(O)-CH=CH2 + H2 + MnO2


PREPARATION OF HIGH ACTIVITY MANGANESE(IV)DIOXIDE (MnO2)

SOLUTION 1 : Make a solution of 223 grams (1 mole) of manganese(II)sulphate tetrahydrate (MnSO4.4H2O) or 169 grams (1 mole) of the manganese(II)sulphate monohydrate (MnSO4.H2O) in 300 mls of distilled water.

SOLUTION 2 : 240 mls (2.5 mole) of a 40 % sodium hydroxide solution.
A 40 % sodium hydroxide solution can be made by adding 400 grams of sodium hydroxide to 1 liter of distilled water.

ADD SIMULTANEOUSLY during 1 hour, solutions 1 & 2, to a hot stirred solution of 190 grams (1.2 mole) of potassium permanganate (KMnO4) in 1200 mls  of distilled water.[NOTE1] Continue stirring for another 1 hour. Isolate the dark brown to black MANGANESE(IV)DIOXIDE (MnO2) precipitate with filtration and wash thoroughly with water until the washing are colourless. Dry the  product at 100 - 120 deg C and grind finely.[NOTE2] Dry again to ensure complete anhydrous manganese(II)dioxide. Store in an air tight container away from light.


[NOTE1] Rinse the flasks of solutions 1 & 2 with a little distilled water into the potassium permanganate solution.

[NOTE2] The wet manganese(II)dioxide precipitate can also be dried by azeotropic distillation in 25 gram portion with 150 mls of benzene. Suck the wet manganese(II)dioxide precipitate with good suction prior to azeotropic distillation.


GENERAL PROCEDURE

Dissolve 0.01 moles of ephedrine hydrochloride into 300 mls of anhydrous chloroform or 0.01 of ephedrine freebase into 300 mls of anhydrous diethyl ether in a 500 mls flask. Add 10 grams of manganese(II)dioxide, stopper and stir with sufficient speed, with a magnetic stirrer so that the manganese(II)dioxide is evenly distributed throughout the solvent. The solvent should become black with manganese(II)dioxide particles as the stirring vortex of the solvent keeps the manganese(II)dioxide suspended in solution. Stir for 2 hours at 25 deg C. Filter to remove the manganese(II)dioxide, rinse the flask and the manganese(II)dioxide on the filter paper with a little fresh solvent. The filtered manganese(II)dioxide can be re-activated by heating at 100 - 120 deg C. Evaporate the solvent off or better still, distil the solvent off so it can be recycled. [NOTE3] The yield is 60-75 %

[NOTE3] If ephedrine hydrochloride is used with chloroform and the solvent  is distilled off, then methcathinone hydrochloride is left in the distillation flask. If ephedrine freebase is used with diethyl ether and the solvent is distilled off, then methcathinone freebase is left in the distillation flask. The methcathinone freebase can be converted to the hydrochloride with dry HCl gas.


SOLVENT TO USE

EPHEDRINE HCl, C10H15NO.HCl molecular weight  MW = 201.73 grams/mole

EPHEDRINE FREEBASE, C10H15NO molecular weight  MW = 165.23 grams/mole
The freebase has a melting point 40 deg C with a ½ H2O. The boiling point is 225 deg C.


If Ephedrine Hydrochloride is used then anhydrous chloroform or isopropyl alcohol is used.

If Ephedrine Freebase is used then anhydrous diethyl ether, benzene or toluene is used. 		 
 
 
 
    DementedAngel
(Newbee)
05-16-00 13:09
No 4978
User Picture  		      Re: meth manufacture     

LittleEv:  Simple way to meth...

Get diagnosed as having ADD with narcolepsy and get a script from your doctor for Desoxyn.

DA

5 more posts to go to regain my HiveBee status, Woohoo!! :)



--Science is truth found out; the truth can be made up if you know how. 		 
 
 
 
    ozbee
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 15:04
No 5011
User Picture  		      Re: ph is 13 now what?     

Sounds like ya got it sortted to me mate . Well done . Go for it

Backyard chemistry
down under with ozbee 		 
 
 
 
    psyloxy
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 15:10
No 5012
User Picture  		      Re: Codeine --> Morphine     

? 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-16-00 15:37
No 5026
User Picture  		      Re: Isolating a salt from a solution     

Buy one. Or improvise one. 		 
 
 
 
    Teonanacatl
(Stranger)
05-16-00 18:18
No 5080
User Picture  		      Re: Botched Foxy     

If you do conclude that you've ended up with a quat. salt (steric reasons make this seem unlikely, but I've never seen direct results for foxy...) why not try dealkylating with ethanolamine?

R4N+  +  NH2CH2CH2OH --> R3N + RNH2(+)CH2CH2OH

The freedom to say 2+2=4... 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Stranger)
05-16-00 18:43
No 5092
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

Polarity has to do with dipole directions and the inductive effect, which is electron movement through sigma bonds to the more electronegative species.  So then, many more compounds are more polar than water, think of HF for instance, it has a huge dipole to the F anion and thus is very polar.  But if all that means nothing to you then think of which compounds have alot of carbon in them, they are almost always non-polar, because a C-C bond is equal EN 		 
 
 
 
    bornagainpagan
(Stranger)
05-16-00 18:52
No 5095
User Picture  		      Re: ph 7.0     

Thanks fellas will look around alittle harder this time
apprectiate the alt. info as well.

Lawz without victims serve no purpose other than to increase crime. 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Newbee)
05-16-00 19:51
No 5126
User Picture  		      Re: AMT -> AET?     

nope no analogue act..

muahaha... 		 
 
 
 
    dpHarma
(Stranger)
05-16-00 20:26
No 5144
User Picture  		      Re: back & impressed/confused     

Nice to see you again TOO you sweet fragrant patootie.

Bye the way guy, I have some updates to the "Jesus Christ I know" thread, why don't you put it back for awhile. I KNOW you were really enjoying that thread.

Howzse yer BP these days?

I still maintain nobody luvs ya' like dpHarma duz.


dpHarma 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Newbee)
05-16-00 20:37
No 5151
User Picture  		      Re: GBL<-->GHB?     

GBL doesnt every solute in water its like mixing oil and water. I recommend if your leaving it sitting around you shake it up before taking any if its in water, so that the bottom of the solution doesn't knock you out cold. 		 
 
 
 
    hispimpness
(Newbee)
05-16-00 21:55
No 5209
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

Perhaps you should re-read the Methcathinone faq carefully.  It goes to explain two ways of measuring the KMnO4.  The first is without a scale, and uses the fine are of solubitity.  The second is with a scale and it tells you exactly how much to use (which is not 7.43 grams).  Make sure you read your info carefully, as that will save you time, money, and drugs.

Hispimpness

(Sleeps well with others) 		 
 
 
 
    Phreaky
(Stranger)
05-16-00 22:26
No 5223
User Picture  		      Re: GBL<-->GHB?     

What can I dilute it with then??? 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Newbee)
05-16-00 22:28
No 5224
User Picture  		      Re: white cross are easy E?     

Alphabeta,

Those the ones with guafenesin in them?

If so your gonna want to get yourself some chloroform for a solvent extraction.


-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Hydro
(Hive Bee)
05-16-00 23:03
No 5243
User Picture  		      Re: chemical equation of tincture-->crystals     

Osmium in my post i was not suggesting adding Hcl to the equation at all. I know I have asked this on the old hive.
I can't see why and iodide ine the reaction wouldn't get recycled back into I2 and so on and so on.
Anyway to cut a long story short this chinese bloke called sum cunt does this and if his shit ain't crystal meth then what the fuck is! 		 
 
 
 
    mrvegas
(Stranger)
05-16-00 23:31
No 5255
User Picture  		      Re: Hash Oil write up - Methyl Man     

Here's a ghetto technique a friend of friend likes to use when confronted with everyone's favorite strain of cannabis, cannabis sativa var. mexi SCHWAG!  In a sealable container immerse the ganga in grain alcohol and shake a lot.  Let it sit for a while shacking every once in a while.  Then drain off the alcohol, and if you'd like repeat.  Take the liquid, and heat gently on an ELECTRIC range (come on people use your heads don't do this with a natural gas range).  As the alcohol evaporates you'll be left with a potent green syrup.  Enjoy.  Oh yeah, the left over plant material can still be used in cooking

Duck tape is like the Force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 		 
 
 
 
    hispimpness
(Newbee)
05-17-00 00:24
No 5279
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Use your internet search engine and look up Methamphetamine FAQ.  I think there is one on Rhodium's site.

(Sleeps well with others) 		 
 
 
 
    zephler
(Stranger)
05-17-00 00:48
No 5296
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

Acetone is heavier than water, water is soluble in acetone.  We commonly use acetone in a lab to quickly dry out grad. cylinders.  Its heavier cause C3H6O is 58 g/mol while water is 18 g/mol 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Newbee)
05-17-00 01:29
No 5336
User Picture  		      Re: magnetic strirrer hot plate can it be made     

Hey kid your a moody bas--rd ain't cha!!!mad

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Throb
(Stranger)
05-17-00 01:47
No 5348
User Picture  		      Re: Polar/Non Polar     

That's untrue.  You don't know which layer is on top between acetone and water: their both colorless and miscible.  Also the density is another thing you have to consider, not only the mass.  If you want to know which layer is on top of two non-miscible solutions, look at the density.  Density is usually in term of g/mL.

I don't really know why a molecule have a higher density than another one tho.  Maybe it has to do with the orientation in space of the molecule and/or the bonds between molecules (hydrogen bridges, van der walls, induction effect, dipole-dipole, etc.).

Hope it helps,

Throb 		 
 
 
 
    Throb
(Stranger)
05-17-00 01:50
No 5350
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C at home     

Hmm, I would like to know too.  Please post it here anyone. smile

Throb 		 
 
 
 
    hispimpness
(Newbee)
05-17-00 02:35
No 5387
User Picture  		      Re: first try     

well you should filter all the liquid, but don't disturb that sludge.  Even if some of the liquid has brown in it, fiter until clear, the acidify and evap.

hispimpness

(Sleeps well with others) 		 
 
 
 
    LittleEv
(Stranger)
05-17-00 03:04
No 5407
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Thanks bro 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-17-00 03:58
No 5441
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

i agree with delta, the 24/40 is ultimate in standardized glassware.  24/40 has adapters to adjust to many other sizes also (just in case it's hard -laughs- to find a piece in 24/40) plus the 24/40 generally allow for all proportions of reactions between microscale and industrial. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-17-00 04:01
No 5443
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

the stuff in nail polish remover is acetone, and yes xylene/xylol work just as well as toluene- the pink elephant up the hill was forced into using this once, worked just fine for him.  		 
 
 
 
    LittleEv
(Stranger)
05-17-00 04:04
No 5446
User Picture  		      Re: does this work     

Thanks dementedangel 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-17-00 04:07
No 5447
User Picture  		      Re: iodine question     

anytime you let a solution of iodine sit out for anywhere from a couple of hours to days, the iodine will escape into the atmosphere, just as though it were in solid form and sublimed.  to prevent this, just cover the container, i don't think that you need a completely air tight lid, just a piece of al foil to plastic wrap 		 
 
 
 
    LittleEv
(Newbee)
05-17-00 04:41
No 5478
User Picture  		      Re: where can i find x     

just like iudexk said   -------------->x 		 
 
 
 
    Dope_Amine
(Stranger)
05-17-00 05:34
No 5528
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

Ok, Rhodium, so if using acetic anhydride, should one disolve in 10 x volume of methanol, add 2 x molar ammount of acetic anhydride, and then reflux?  How long on tha reflux?  Thanks my main mastermind :) 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Stranger)
05-17-00 06:59
No 5575
User Picture  		      Re: Petroleum Ether     

Just buy it, it's not watched. 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Stranger)
05-17-00 08:35
No 5612
User Picture  		      Re: new to distilling...need pratice     

About the DCM. If it's with MeOH. You can extract the MeOH with water, then dry the DCM with your regular MgSO4 or whatever.

Practice distilling on cheap wine. Notice that, this could be illegal in some countries.


-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:03
No 5628
User Picture  		      Re: GBL<-->GHB?     

GBL does dissolve in water. You can dilute it with water, no problem at all. It does not dissolve well in strong GHB solutions, because of the salting out effect. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:18
No 5634
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

You can't do this reaction in MeOH, because the MeOH will react with the anhydride forming methyl acetate.

Acetic anhydride will decompose to acetic acid on contact with water. That's how you separate it. Or you could use a bigger excess of AA, distill the excess off after the reaction (vacuum!), and proceed from there.
Pour it into an excess of water, wait some time and extract your oil. Wash with diluted weak base like NaHCO3 to deacidify, dry and evaporate the extraction solvent. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:19
No 5636
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

I've never seen white MDP2P, even when distilled twice over a column. It was always yellow. 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-17-00 10:20
No 5637
User Picture  		      Re: white cross are easy E?     

sorry about the confusion had a few too many drinks... I apoligize... 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:21
No 5638
User Picture  		      Re: base?     

Newbee forum question. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-17-00 10:28
No 5640
User Picture  		      Re: acetylchloride from acetamide ?     

I don't think it works. Never heard of such a reaction. 		 
 
 
 
    CHEMMAN
(Stranger)
05-17-00 11:22
No 5655
User Picture  		      Re: Acteldehyde     

Wiz. I was under the impression that this followed a grignards mech, but I am wrong it seems.Is it not done with an ether solvent and magnesium metal? From my studies, OMgX is formed at the carbonyl group.Infact the grignards ive seen go to the alcohol, rather than the ketone.A grignard does not work on the free radical mech, but you say this does.I do not doubt you , I am in need of a little enlightment please. 		 
 
 
 
    spx9rs
(Stranger)
05-17-00 14:11
No 5703
User Picture  		      (empty)     

 
 
 
 
    demenace
(Stranger)
05-17-00 19:48
No 5804
User Picture  		      Re: Separating GBL     

But can we alter the 1-methyl-2-pyrrolidinone into something more palatible or non-injurious. 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Stranger)
05-17-00 20:03
No 5811
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

Is this the same PMA that is suggested as a practice synthesis in the psudonitrosite file on rhodium's page? 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-17-00 20:13
No 5816
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C at home     

I was being a smartass.  It was a play on the ambiguity of your first post (referring to books on the whole subject, or books on KrZ's method) Didn't work.  I guess that makes me a dumbass instead.   Never mind.

Anyway, if no one know's the KraZy man's method or has the link, what are some other refs.  definitely interested in more info on the electroless deposition.

zool



"Every man believes he has his own good reason." 		 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Stranger)
05-17-00 20:21
No 5821
User Picture  		      Re: Nanotech - Still using reagents are you ?!     

Has anyone here read K. Eric Drexler's "Engines of Creation"? It is a very interesting book...outlines how assemblers and replicators will function and the MANY uses they will have. They will completely impact the way in which human beings fuction. There will be no disease, because these little nanomachines will be inserted into the bloodstream and target specific virii, bacterium, or cancerous cells. It will change our economic system immensely. There will be no such thing as production value. Anything that is needed can be created from essentially nothing. There will be no need to rape the earth for natural resources. Space travel will become extremely easy and cheap....

I don't know if were ready for all that yet, though.
anyhow, it's a good book. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-17-00 20:31
No 5829
User Picture  		      Re: Conditions for thc acetate?     

Acetic acid is a good solvent (if THC is soluble in it), otherwise I'd reccommend an ether, like diethyl ether or THF. Perhaps you could even use DCM.

You are supposed to reflux. The anhydride won't degrade as fast as it reacts with the THC.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    carlito
(Stranger)
05-17-00 20:34
No 5832
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker question     

BS,
Yeah I've read the doc, and seen the pictures, but the questions still remain.  For instance, the write up doesn't mention filtering out black pricipitate.  I just want to know if this should be done before or after the first H20/HCl wash.

Other comments on the document:
1.  First of all, thanks. It's the best one-source reference yet.
2. In step 3, it says :

Put the following into your CLEAN 500mL RBFlask:

"300mL of dimethylformamide (DMF), 50mL of tap water, 120g of p-Benzoquinone 2g
of Palladium Chloride PdCl2, Magnetic Stirbar. (PS-Don't skimp on the catalyst!)"

I found that if you're gonna drip your safrole/DMF into this flask, there is no way it's going to fit.  You need a 1 L RB flask.  You obviously need a WAY bigger flask if you then proceed to:
"The reaction mix was flooded with slightly acidic water (~50mL of Muratic Acid
(HCl) in 1.5L of water)."

So I'm assuming you take your rxn vessel after 7 hours and filter it through a buchner funnel into a large vessel, like a 2 liter flask, then flood this container with the H2O/HCl.  Then you can pour the aqueous layer into your sep funnel to do the DCM washes.

3.  It doesn't say anything about the filtered junk, and therefore doesn't mention anything about washing this junk.  I assume that the junk in the buchner funnel should be washed with dcm, to remove any goods, and that wash should be combined with your oil layer and other dcm washes.  Then this whole mash would be washed with NaOH to remove the hydroquinone. right?

4.  Any tips on cleaning all these flasks after you're done?
They're all black and gunky, and I was wondering what was the best method for cleaning them. Like, what solvents, and in what order? and can you do this in the sink safely?  That benzoquinone is pretty nasty.

BS - I know my questions are kinda dumb sometimes, but I'm just trying to get it all straight.  I'm getting pretty close and expect honey soon.  When I do I'll post a complete 'trials and tribulations' detailing any stumbling blocks and clarifications that I've discovered in following your excellent text.



Separate question:
I got some old Methylamine Hydrochloride, and I'm looking through the brown bottle, and I can see it's all in 1 big chunk.  Can I just knock chips off this block, or am I gonna have to preprocess it in some way.  It's some old shit, but I've heard it keeps well. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-17-00 20:56
No 5839
User Picture  		      Re: pseudo from allegra     

This belongs in the meth forum.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    michael
(Stranger)
05-17-00 21:14
No 5846
User Picture  		      Re: Ocotea albidum?     

It's just listed as N. American Sassafrass oil, nothing more specific than that.  Thanks for the answer! 		 
 
 
 
    dormouse
(Newbee)
05-17-00 21:44
No 5851
User Picture  		      Re: Ocotea albidum?     

I would assume that it was the same as S. albidum. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-17-00 22:01
No 5855
User Picture  		      Re: piperazine     

Benzylpiperazine?

Dissolve 0.1 mol piperazine and 0.1 mol HCl in DMF or Acetonitrile (or maybe acetone) and heat to reflux. Then add 0.1 mol benzyl chloride (dissolved in the same solvent) dropwise. Reflux for a while, evaporate the solvent, do an acid/base extraction and crystallize your BzP (if it isn't apparent it needs distillation).



.1 mol

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    dreamer
(Hive Bee)
05-17-00 22:08
No 5857
User Picture  		      Re: Push/Pull Units     

Please if anyone could reply to this with some kind of info I would appreciate it!

Peace! 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-17-00 22:38
No 5866
User Picture  		      Re: Benzoquinone from hydroquinone...     

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/quinones.txt

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Stranger)
05-18-00 00:08
No 5884
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

cool that sounds better than the aa energizers i used in my last dream. so the duracells sound a lot better thanks for the advise guys. ive been haveing one problem, in my dream some one already had a bunch of nh3 and let me use it and it was all cool.does anyone know where to get the shit, cause the wally world shit didnt work from what another bee told me? and the smell in that dream was from energizer aa and i think not for sure but maby it was sulfuric acid it was some black powder shit who knows? 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 00:57
No 5902
User Picture  		      Re: Pd/C and Pt/C at home     

i think there is a method on rhodiums site
i cant find it but if you do post it 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 01:39
No 5921
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

damn ID to buy glassware, i just get it from the LEARNING STORE in the mall 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Newbee)
05-18-00 02:09
No 5929
User Picture  		      Re: nitromethane     

Cute...

It's readily available at hobby stores...



use the search engine


-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 02:17
No 5936
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

heres everything:


the NH4Cl is a salt created when you add HCl to ammonia and then let the water evaporate.  If you just wanted to try the bug sprayer idea w/ NaOH and NH4Cl solution, it would generate a lot of heat, raising the amount of water in the output gas, possibly beyond the drying tubes ability. 



Back to square one.
One liter of house hold ammonia at contains roughly  50 grams of ammonia.  50 grams / 17 g/mol  (the molar mass of NH3) is about 3 moles of ammonia.  to make NH4Cl out of that you would need 3 moles of of H+ and conc. HCl is roughly 30% HCl.  one mole of HCl is 36.5 grams, so you'd need 36.5*3=108 grams of HCl / .30 (the conc. of conc. HCl) and you get 360 grams of conc. HCl. divided by the approximate density of conc. HCl.  The result is basically 290 mL.  Keep in mind, a lot of these constants were pulled out of my ass so this is pretty approximate.

What all this means is that you wanna add a lil less than 1 part conc. HCl for every three parts of household ammonia. 

Now don't go taking a pot and mixing NH3 and HCl, it gives off heat, HCl, and a fine dust of NH4Cl.
To do it appropriatly this is where your bug sprayer comes in handy as a gas tight container.  Fill up the sprayer about half way w/ household ammonia, then fill it to three quarters full w/ Conc. HCl and cap that basterd, set it in a cool water bath.  After 30 minutes of doing its thing.  Shake it quite a bit. Wait, then smell the container, if it smells like ammonia, add more HCl, if it smells like HCl move on to the next step.
Pour the solution into a glass bowl or pot or something, and heat it in a hot water bath until the HCl smell is not nearly as pungent. Then to evaporate the water add a ton of salt to the water bath (not the NH4Cl solution!!).  This will raise the boiling point of the bath above that of the NH4Cl solution thus it will boil off faster.  Once the NH4Cl crystals start forming, watch closely and remove it from heat once the waters gone.  Then these crystals you put in an air tight container until later.
So suppose you get 1000 grams of these crystals, that would be 1000 / (14+ 4 +35)  = 18.86 moles of Ammonium to be deprotonated, 18.86 moles of NaOH weighs (19 moles * 40 g/mol) or 760 grams.  the Ratio of Ammonium Chloride to NaOH is 10:8 You could add one to one by mass for simplicity.  Add a lil water to get it going, and bam, you better cap that sombitch cause its gunna start making ammonia gas like a well, sombitch.  This whole thing will make you roughly 323 grams of NH3 or in Common speak, almost 3/4 a pound of good NH3 (after its been passed through a shitload of drying agents)
To make 3/4 a pound of NH3 you will need roughly 6.5 Liters of household ammonia.  2 Liters of Conc. Ammonia.  1.75 pounds of NaOH and a lot of drying agent, I mean ALOT of drying agent.  If you use too little, you've wasted your time.


To review:
household NH3 to conc. HCl  about 3:1
NH4Cl to NaOH about 10:7 add more for certainty. NaOH is cheep.

Alphabeta121

DONT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL WITH THIS INFORMATION.  DONT EVEN DO THIS AT ALL. 		 
 
 
 
    SpankE
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 02:33
No 5952
User Picture  		      Re: Thrift Stores...     

Antique shops rule for chem sets to you never know what you can find for cheap. One mans trash is another mans treasure. Uknowsmile

I choose u PIKACHU!!!! 		 
 
 
 
    Artful_Dodger
(Stranger)
05-18-00 02:35
No 5954
User Picture  		      Re: A sustainable source of safrole     

If only it were as easy as walking down to the shops and paying  US$4-6 a kilo crazy 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-18-00 02:46
No 5960
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Hey bro, what's up? Think of crank as what happens when you buy something from someone who's bought it from someone they got it from....the shit's been stomped on (cut for profit) so many times that it's like just snorting the damn mini-thin itself!     <--by the way, a bud of mine got hard up for a buzz and actually DID that.  OUCH!!! He was teary-eyed for 4 or 5 hours.....

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-18-00 03:08
No 5977
User Picture  		      Re: white cross are easy E?     

Hey Bro, I have heard of these and taken them for MY asthmatic condition as well.... I think you may have better luck getting if you could come across them without the Guaif-shit in them...they're out there--so says a biker friend of someone I used to know :-)

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-18-00 03:09
No 5978
User Picture  		      Re: Acteldehyde     

Chemman: You are right, but the reaction mechanism is different for grignards.

C6H5CH2MgCl + CH3CHO ==>> C6H5CH2CH(-OH)-CH3 + HOMgCl ==oxidation=>> C6H5CH2C(=O)-CH3 P2P

The other P2P synthesis is a radical mechanism which goes via Bond Dissociation Radical formation.
General Formula  A:B ==>> A. + .B

C6H5CH2:Cl ==>> C6H5CH2. + .Cl  285kJ/Mol or 166kCal/Mol 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Newbee)
05-18-00 04:37
No 5997
User Picture  		      Re: do I need to distill my ketone?     

Yes. Benzo produces a lot of gakk. Even after the NaOH washes it's still ICKY!

Distill! Your ketone should be crystal clear before aminating. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-18-00 04:56
No 6000
User Picture  		      Re: piperazine     

thanks for the info Rhodium.  Is there full synthesis on your page starting from the same?  Can BZP--->E?  Do you know of any trip reports for BZP? 		 
 
 
 
    Goldfinger
(Stranger)
05-18-00 05:03
No 6002
User Picture  		      Re: new to distilling...need pratice     

You only want to vacuum distill liquids that would otherwise decompose if you used simple distillation.This mostly applies to liquids that boil above 150 degrees celcius. Also, make sure that the difference in the bp's of the liquids is 25 degrees or more, otherwise you'll have to do a fractional vacuum distillation. All your glassware will require ground glass joints with vacuum grease. You said you had a stirring plate. You'll need a stirring bar to reduce the bumping that goes on in your heating flask. Vacuum distilling is fun, but it takes alot of work to set up properly. Remember, use vacuum grease, I broke a condenser one time trying to separate it from my adapter, and I also broke a ground glass-jointed thermometer when I substituted mineral oil grease for h.p. vacuum grease. 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-18-00 05:09
No 6004
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

sorry about making such absolute statements about glassware fittings (usa)- i forgot about the ever-important euro-bees.  too bad the world doesn't run on one standard.  		 
 
 
 
    deltaT
(Stranger)
05-18-00 05:25
No 6011
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

Yeah, the european glassware situation is news to me too. Nearly every joint in every lab in the usa I've ever seen in 24/40. Thanks Rhodium and Osmium. 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Newbee)
05-18-00 08:49
No 6055
User Picture  		      Re: nitromethane     

The only thing I've seen in hobby shops that contain nitromethane is that funky pinkish looking fuel for remote control cars, and it only had 10% in it. If you're by a hot rod racing store, then you can get straight nitro from most of them.

____________________________

Society exists by chemical affinity, and not otherwise. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-18-00 10:23
No 6067
User Picture  		      Re: Benzoquinone from hydroquinone...     

Yes, because there always is an equilibrium between CrO4(2-) and Cr2O7(2-), which is dependent on pH. Acidic solutions will always contain predominantly dichromate, more basic solutions will contain chromate. As far as I know they are totally interchangeable, but you have to adjust the amount because of their different molar weights. 		 
 
 
 
    johnboy
(Stranger)
05-18-00 11:45
No 6083
User Picture  		      Re: PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine - Need Info     

ozbee: what is killing people is the fact that this is being sold as "ecstacy" and people are dosing as they would with MDMA. there is no defending these "chemists" its just a blatant money grabbing exercise. if they were sold as PMA and if there was info around for users then maybe it would alright... but they dont and there isnt...

sorry if i sound angry but i am,its not at you. but bad pills like this just keep putting back the cause of a sensible approach to MDMA 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 12:14
No 6090
User Picture  		      Re: A sustainable source of safrole     

I thought that was one of the most interesting parts of the article! 

I was also interested in the number of Piper species that contain safrole.

zool

"Every man believes he has his own good reason." 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-18-00 12:45
No 6094
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Is Dat why you have to have(read:CON) a Dr write out the Rx?....(or know someone who needs to lose some weight!!)
                    <smiiiiiii-iile>
Think : BlUe AnD ClEaRs....heee-yaaa!!!!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Stranger)
05-18-00 13:16
No 6107
User Picture  		      Re: conc. H2SO4     

That's where I get my glassware from..the mall, a store called 'World of Science...will carry beakers, flasks and assorted other stuff. You will need to go somewhere else to get a condenser and specialty glass items, as they simply have no requests for stuff of that nature and therefore don't keep it regularly stocked. I imamgine they could special order it w/o the hassle of suspicion, but if you're anything like me, I need it when I need it...


---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    Weaselknot
(Stranger)
05-18-00 13:42
No 6124
User Picture  		      Re: white cross are easy E?     

Being "33mg ephedra extract" it probably is l-ephed, d-ephed, and some other stuff found in the ephedra plant (methylephedrine and pseudoephedrine to name a couple) 		 
 
 
 
    Nystagmus
(Stranger)
05-18-00 14:24
No 6131
User Picture  		      Re: Help with nh3 please     

Alphabeta, when you said conc. HCL how concentrated? I have some for my pool which is like 30% or so...Will this suffice or do I need to concentrate it some?  How much would you recommend and what procedure to concentrate it?  Thank all of you for being so helpful.

"Fly by Night" 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Stranger)
05-18-00 14:30
No 6134
User Picture  		      Re: Low down on pseudonitrosites     

Judex - another question, having read Randpoth Carters boiling acid reduction in the TMA synth. Apparently it will work on asarone, but would it also work with safrole?

Ritter in the theoretical section of TSII cautions against using a boiling acid reduction because it will tear up the methylenedioxy ring stucture. So is this method only good on precursers lacking the MD ring stucture?

I know alot of questions, just triing to avoid nightmares - any help appreciated.

Also known as antibody 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Newbee)
05-18-00 15:24
No 6149
User Picture  		      Re: A strange, possible, amphetamine synthesis     

Danke...

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    speedy69
(Stranger)
05-18-00 15:32
No 6150
User Picture  		      Re: Peroxide     

Here is the scoop on Hydrogen Peroxide...
the kind you buy at the drugstore for cuts etc. is 10volume or 3%. The type commonly bought to bleach or color ones hair is 20 volume = 6%.
The way to save money and trips to the store is to go into a beauty supply and ask for peroxide or developer(is what it is called in the beauty biz). It comes in all different stregnths from 10 volume up to 80 volume. 80 volume would of course = 24%. You can then adjust the strength to what you desire by adding equal parts of water.
one cup of 80 volume mixed with one cup of water = 2 cups of 40 volume.
80 volume is the highest i've seen in use in salons and that will burn the skin right off your head.
Stay away from cream "developers" as they have a bunch of additives to thicken the H2O2 so it doesnt run in the little old ladies eyes. 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-18-00 16:45
No 6177
User Picture  		      Re: BS synth ?s     

1.   Pour off the water layer, and then wash it a couple of times with DCM.
2.   Dillute it.   The reaction needs a specific amount of water.   The contaminant in 91% IPA (or ANY other alcohol) is water.    And this little amount is figured into the 'greater scheme'.
3.   The amounts of formamide v. Di-methformamide are the same.    IE... Use the same amount.

Good Luck!    Post your questions here!   
PS - Post questions before you 'dream about' the experiment!   Questions answered while dreaming can be haphazardly answered, or worse ... incorrect!

Bright Star



http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Viper1
(Newbee)
05-18-00 16:55
No 6180
User Picture  		      Re: 2-CB     

err yeah.. i had it written out with a different name, phenthylamine

not the deoxyamphetamine which was there..

hence my stupidity in the area of nomenclature ;) 		 
 
 
 
    Exsikkator
(Hive Bee)
05-18-00 17:08
No 6187
User Picture  		      Re: Tracking down references     

i) A German bee can help you with that... hmmm. Maybe you would like to send them to me...
It depends on how long these articles actually are, but I could try to translate them for you.

ii) They will not laugh at you requesting these refs. If they are having access to STN International they can download/order copies from them. But I don´t know if they would do that for you (be nicewink). 

iii) At least the J. Prakt. Chem (= Journal of Applied Chemistry) we have at our university. I can check it out for you.

e:mail me at exsikkator@hushmail.com.


Cheers, Ex............
What´s a signature? 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-18-00 17:17
No 6189
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker question     

Thats really wierd.
Did you distill your 'sassy'?
What temp did it come over at?


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    FlamingMaggot
(Stranger)
05-18-00 18:08
No 6211
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

Here, lemme throw a wrench into your thread...

Have you considered dripping concentrated lye solution onto any one of several ammonia-based fertilizers, and then piping the evolved gas through a drying agent and into your flask immersed in dry ice and acetone/MeOH/IPA/etc?

Might be easier...

TIP: Don't listen to Blood (aka pink obsession). That girl is a spun monkey. That girl is whacked out. That girl thinks you can toss lithium and pfed into aqueous ammonia and call it toast. That girl has obviously been snorting too much unreduced pseudo-ephedrine!


wink(just looking for a little reax-shun on this bright beautiful Thursday, darlin')wink 		 
 
 
 
    Biscuit2
(Stranger)
05-18-00 18:59
No 6229
User Picture  		      Re: Who made post on DMMDA via halo/hex??!!!     

ok i am not disputing this BUT:
someone has said that h2SO4 will oxidise HBr to Br2.
Now the reaction mixture turns orange; isn't HBr colourless. Bromine is orange, it follows so far.

I have seen an NMR of this and it was a mess, and could have been a double substituted bromine across the alkene. At the very least there was NO CH3 group in the NMR and there should have been.

Are we sure that a DMMDA analogue was not made. An NH3 group at BOTH the beta and gamma carbons?

Anyway the resident expert in the meth forum said use H3PO4, it'll make the HBr but WON'T produce Br2, anyone have any thoughts on this?
This could be the answer y this method why valid has never seemed to work that well. 		 
 
 
 
    CrystalDaddy
(Stranger)
05-18-00 19:39
No 6239
User Picture  		      Re: 5 Million $$$ Ecstacy bust by RCMP     

Who says they are going to destroy them? 		 
 
 
 
    carlito
(Stranger)
05-18-00 21:04
No 6270
User Picture  		      Re: Nanotech - Still using reagents are you ?!     

There are some interesting thermodynamics arguments against all these schemes.  I mean, just imagine a little Machine moving around little atoms to make molecules, then consider the amount of work spent in that action, and then consider the heat released from that work, and finally consider the small space that all this is taking place in.  The heat generated in such scenarios is enough to melt the machines and whatever it is they happen to be working on.

I mean, using a big STM to move atoms around is one thing.  It has a huge surface area to radiate heat.  But for mass production of molecules, you need to actually build tiny machines that can replicate themselves so they can collectively go to work on transforming the molecules( You ain't gonna have a big STM making one fucking molecule at a time).  That means that that each of these little machines is going to lose around HALF of it's work to heat loss.  And it's so fucking small that the heat loss per unit of surface area is going to be HUGE. Plus you got like a billion of them in a ml of solution.  Yeah...that'll work. 		 
 
 
 
    Barracuda1965
(Stranger)
05-18-00 21:25
No 6278
User Picture  		      Re: back & impressed/confused     

Yes, I make you laugh and soon you will think nothing of dining with me in public. It will seem like the most natural thing in the world.

That's Mr. Rat Bastard to you! 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Newbee)
05-18-00 21:38
No 6284
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

For somereason im not able to to see this post naturally Fuchem.. But yeh i ddid it at work.. i didnt giva fuck. send me to a family members funeral you'd catch me swigin a sprite bottle. At work.. id p[ut my bottle in the fridge.. when no customers were around down it went..every day i was on g..if i couldnt bring it in id drink it when i took my breaks.. needless to say i fucking lost my job.. lost my girl as well.  One night i got mad stressed so i kept hitting the bottle not thinking about what was to come to me, rightfully. Well the next thing i know i'm being shaken by a customer askin me if im ok..im standing strqaight up passed out. after my co-worker told me to take a brake i went outside n sat on the curb n smoked a cig..next thing i know my supervisor wakes me up asking me if im alright im like "yeh" AND THEY FUCKIN LET ME BACK IN WORK.. well i got sick when i got back in and left...i cant remember much of me driving home..only riding horizontally down the highway at least twice and spinnin out in the median.. oh..hittin a few ditches on the back roads.. then i went and od'd at my friends house..woke up and thought i was still at work..and kept asking "can i go yet?, am i done?" i love the chem..truely its wonderful.. but it sucked me in way to far.. i quit in august of 99. and now im having thoughts of doin it moderatly ..but i know that cant happen..be safe with that shit. and dont put it ina sprite bottle like we did cause some little kid drank some while we were lookin outside this club and ended up in a "coma" at the hospitol. if you take it out publicly put it in a damn mr yuck bottle or somthin.. i was scared as hell that kid was gonna narc me out.. anyway be safe..

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purge the info. 		 
 
 
 
    mrvegas
(Stranger)
05-18-00 23:07
No 6321
User Picture  		      Re: 5 Million $$$ Ecstacy bust by RCMP     

I wonder how tough a break in that would be.  Nothing better than hearing how the narcs loose stuff when it's already in there possession

The Force is like duct tape, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together 		 
 
 
 
    Undertowe
(Stranger)
05-18-00 23:38
No 6332
User Picture  		      Re: Hotplate/Stirrer Confusion     

A hearty thanks to all who took time to answer my post.

BrightStar... You have confirmed my suspicions. I refrained from suggesting possible explanations in my original post because of the tendency for people to say things like "Yeah, that's right. You got it, man.", without putting any serious thought into the matter.

I have a few new thoughts which someone might like to comment on:

1) Why haven't I ever had trouble bringing this particular pot to boil on an electric stove? The bottom does not appear to be warped, at least not significantly, but then again it does have a circular section on the bottoms center that is offset inward from the rest of the surface.

2) It is true that the beakers entire bottom surface is in contact with the hotplate where the saucepan was not.

3) Taking into consideration the thermal equilibrium factor, I'm trying to formulate a plan to prevent this from occuring with future vessels. Am I correct in stating that my ideal vessel would:

    a) have a bottom with maximum surface area in contact   with the plate, i.e. completely flat and the diam. of the rest of the vessel (straight sides).

    b) be as narrow as possible and still accomodate the reaction vessel placed inside so as to minimize area of water exposed to atmosphere.

    c) be filled with least volume of water to allow submersion of reaction vessel to adequate depth.

Any other suggestions? In everyones experience what makes the ideal water bath?

I'm thinking I might just be better off using a heating mantle for operations that don't require mag stirring.

Undertowe 		 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 00:16
No 6352
User Picture  		      Re: 5 Million $$$ Ecstacy bust by RCMP     

That's another gigantic bust with the pills origins in France or thereabouts.  SOMEBODY is crankin out some shit (LabTop?? Rhod???)!!

zool

"Every man believes he has his own good reason." 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-19-00 00:46
No 6365
User Picture  		      Re: Meth or Kat??     

As you probably haven't noticed, we have a special forum completely dedicated to the discussion of meth and cat. Please take this question over there.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Antibody2
(Newbee)
05-19-00 01:22
No 6373
User Picture  		      Re: 02 wacker workup question     

If you want a shortcut on filtering, put a couple cm of silica sand in your buchner 1st, then vacumm filter through the sand, takes less than 2 minutes with silica sand.

A bee who is not me has taken shortcuts on the workup, with questionaable yield.(never had a good yeild post amination with this method) Apparently the product resulting from the O2 wacker is something called ketal?? which becomes ketone when hydrolysed during work-up. Don’t know if you need all the washs though, maybe could get away with just the acid wash.

That same bee has kickass yields with the benzo though, but it has a brutal work-up which can’t be skipped due to hydroquinone which plugs the condenser if the NaOH washs are skipped.

Happy cooking





Also known as antibody 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 01:26
No 6375
User Picture  		      Re: Yield, schmield     

wow, that ethanolamine rxn is cool.  do you have a mechanism and/or ref's for it.  Maybe my orgo book is just a shaft. b/c if that rxn works, that makes life a lot easier. 		 
 
 
 
    WizardX
(Wizard Master)
05-19-00 02:22
No 6389
User Picture  		      Re: Is this MDA method esablished?     

Use phosphoric acid H3PO4. NOT sulphuric acid H2SO4.
sulphuric acid H2SO4 will oxidize the HI to I2. 		 
 
 
 
    ketone
(Stranger)
05-19-00 02:25
No 6391
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

This bee used to use 19/22 back in the day...nice size for 'hobbyist' use.

-k 		 
 
 
 
    LittleEv
(Newbee)
05-19-00 03:07
No 6414
User Picture  		      Re: meth/amphetamines     

Thanks all my brothers for the help and stay tight,peace out. 		 
 
 
 
    Fliptamine
(Stranger)
05-19-00 03:10
No 6416
User Picture  		      Re: 5 Million $$$ Ecstacy bust by RCMP     

That's a lot of fucking E.  I mean, imagine...just imagine what is involved with a move that big.  Chances are that this wasn't the synthesizer's first batch.  I'll bet this guy made a lot of E.  I mean, it's weird to think about it.  There are some foolios out there hookin' it up!  Jeez.  The weird thing about it is that you can make 50 grams and you still would have to slang a bunch cuzz you shouldn't need that much E for yourself.  Damn.  170,000 tablets.  Damn.  I just can't get over it. 		 
 
 
 
    Fliptamine
(Stranger)
05-19-00 03:13
No 6418
User Picture  		      Re: Studies of Neurotoxicity of Mdma wrong?     

I always take 5-HTP the next morning after I've been rollin'.  It reduces the negative effects of the next day to like a 10th of what they would be.  It's great. 		 
 
 
 
    tbeenz
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 03:32
No 6427
User Picture  		      Re: cutting     

vitamin b12 		 
 
 
 
    Artful_Dodger
(Stranger)
05-19-00 03:55
No 6430
User Picture  		      Re: polar/non polar     

Polar materials have a difference in charge between two bonded atoms, non-polar materials dont. Because of this polar materials can interact with other polar materials and non-polar materials can react with other non-polar materials. This property means that polar and non polar materials can be separated. Not to be rude or anything but the answers to questions like this are in the first 10 pages of year 8 chem books. Are there no libraries where you live? 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-19-00 04:45
No 6441
User Picture  		      Re: Would one be able to use these chems?     

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/TOC.html blushhttp://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/index.html cool 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Stranger)
05-19-00 04:50
No 6444
User Picture  		      Re: 24/40 or 19/22     

the 19/22 that you said was occassionally named 19/38 just has a longer taper than the 22 version, the joints will fit the same, but the inner joint will extend a few millimeters in farther than the fitting 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 05:18
No 6457
User Picture  		      Re: cutting     

but i do know alot of people that cut it with powdered sugar, i dont use the shit so i really couldnt tell you what the different effects are. 		 
 
 
 
    SplattyReflux
(Stranger)
05-19-00 07:00
No 6501
User Picture  		      Re: Interesting Idea     

Hmmm...

I remember summink about a drug (prodrug, or whatever) that hydrolysed to ethanol and CO2 when aquated . The idea was a pill that made a fizzy alcohol-like drink when chucked in a drink. Never got off the ground though. If it was prohibition  days its not likely that it woulda been cheaper than bootleg, which may have been subsidised by other notorious activities like prostitution, speak-easies, extortion and selling girl-scout cookies :)

...another fine mess I've got you into.
        =Splatty= 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 10:19
No 6572
User Picture  		      Re: gbl source?     

that denatured shit isnt holding up in court the dea says they have to july 24th 00 to register if not then its all about lisence it become a schedule 1 precursor and you'll need lisences and companies and evalutations... its not gonna be easy 		 
 
 
 
    LARGEMAN
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 10:51
No 6582
User Picture  		      Re: Silver-looking iodine?     

Before YOU handel that shit put a glove on, tha shit is really fuckin poison, can be absorbed into the skin and generally "FUCK YOUR DUMB-ASS WORLD UP" 		 
 
 
 
    Thoth
(Newbee)
05-19-00 11:00
No 6586
User Picture  		      Re: GBL<-->GHB?     

Did you know that many docs have used gbl on non healing wounds with success! Many pharm cartel are currently marketing or selling such products. If Gbl heals non healing wounds,does it really suprise you the FDA/BfDEA has moved to remove it from the public!

DT

Opinions expressed are based pre/post doc edu,clinical exp,psychedelic exploration. 		 
 
 
 
    jsorex
(Stranger)
05-19-00 12:13
No 6599
User Picture  		      Re: 2-CB     

in south africa I might add. (Why the hell didn't I just edit my earlier post?)


-jsorex 		 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Newbee)
05-19-00 12:32
No 6607
User Picture  		      Re: Pool test kit     

Those pH products for the pool always have wacky pH levels to them. Just by some real ones that are for chemistry. If you're on of those hardcore OTC types, then you can probably get some decent pH papers from a brewing store.

____________________________

Society exists by chemical affinity, and not otherwise. 		 
 
 
 
    Osmium
(Moderator)
05-19-00 13:01
No 6618
User Picture  		      Re: sassy qustion     

Oh no! shocked

NEVER EVER HEAT A VOLATILE SOLVENT IN A CLOSED BOTTLE! 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-19-00 13:08
No 6624
User Picture  		      Re: benzo wacker question     

Thats definately sassy ...

So what I would do is this:
After you've deluged the reaction vessel with the 1.5L of Acidic Water (Your 'formula is fine) ...  shake it to mix ... then add 100mL of DCM.   Shake again, wait ~10 minutes ... then empty ~150mL from the bottom.   Then add another 100mL of DCM, and dio it again.   Do this three times, each time taking 150mL...   The combined 150mL portions ... now are 450mL ... filter this several times.     It will be loaded with shit.    Now, vac distill it.

Sounds like a winner.   Let us know how your hypathetical dreaming goes!


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-19-00 13:15
No 6627
User Picture  		      Re: do I need to distill my ketone?     

If you do a good job distilling ... clear ..
A haphazard medocre job ... neon-green-yellow


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    BrightStar
(Moderator)
05-19-00 13:32
No 6631
User Picture  		      Re: BS Wacker problem     

Strange - Thats not the benzo-wacker.   Read the link below for a complete benzo Wacker Story.


http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/mdmasyn.txt 		 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 13:35
No 6634
User Picture  		      Re: mercuric iodide     

I'd bet that mercury(II) iodide is light sensitive (as in prolonged exposure to direct sunlight). I doubt that mercury(II) chloride is light sensitive. I doubt that either would decay in a dark container at room temperature. 		 
 
 
 
    craig420
(Stranger)
05-19-00 14:15
No 6651
User Picture  		      Re: The lovely world of Pip - BZP, mTFMPP, mCPP, oMPP     

yes, it works...just try it if you doubt it

whether it's evaporation or chemical reaction taking place, I have no clue...but from experience, it does work...and rather quickly at that 		 
 
 
 
    xochi
(Stranger)
05-19-00 16:17
No 6692
User Picture  		      Re: propenylbenzene --> P2P     

I found this:
Epoxides can be isomerized to carbonyl compounds by Lewis acids, ref. Tetrahedron 26, 1091 (1970) 		 
 
 
 
    CHEM_GUY
(Newbee)
05-19-00 17:08
No 6701
User Picture  		      Bruckner Refs     

Please post the Bruckner references, it is always better to get it from the horse's mouth.  Thanks!

This post is for informational purposes only an is not intended to facilate illegal activity. 		 
 
 
 
    blasted
(Stranger)
05-19-00 18:33
No 6714
User Picture  		      Re: Silver-looking iodine?     

Definitely sounds like iodine crystals.  It appears more gray/silver than purple.  Listen to Largeman about the gloves.  If nothing else, it will save you having brown stains all over your hands.  Also, don't spill it anywhere.  It will spread and make brown splotches all over the place.  They seem to go away as the iodine reacts, but bleach also works in a hurry. 		 
 
 
 
    cactus
(Stranger)
05-19-00 19:33
No 6735
User Picture  		      Re: Push but no Pull?     

If you use salt with NaOh, use rock salt as it dose not have the additives that granules do.  Always save a portion of the lie/reaction material so if you over ph it, you can add the portion that you saved back, giving you another chance for survival of product extraction.

If you add acid to the mixture for attempt to lower ph then you might as well pure the whole thing down the sink.  Reason being is that you will have loads of salt at the end causing a lot of grief.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Will someone tell me if the fuel is nonpolar and water is polar?  I think I might have polar and nonpolar mixed up.  I can't remember if fuel is polar.  I want to say fuel is non polar and water is polar.  Is that right?   

I notice that when the bottom layer clouds all the way up to the fuel layer then the meth is free based.  I would then pull that off and set aside for gassing.  Then add more fuel to what you pulled off the first time and shake the devil out of it.  Then set that top layer aside.

I prefer pulling off with a 60 ml vetenarian syringe with very large needle.  That way a human being can separate everything to the drop.  When you pick up all the fuel of the top by slanting the syringe and using the needle to pull up the little puddles of fuel floating around then you will have some lie/reaction water in the syringe that you can simply use for visual inspection to detect the separation point for the the and removal of the bottom layer setting in the bottom of that large syringe and discharge drop wise until you see one drop of solvent fall into your trash layer.  Best of all, the plunger of that large syringe acts as a very good wiper cleaning any thing that may stick to the inner walls of that bore.     

Gas both of those layers to determine if you got everything or anything.  I like gassing because I usually loose too much product from the water evaporation process.  I get it the water to hot from being anxious.           

Also be sure the reaction material turns from the mud consistency to a more watery as you move it around making sure it doesn't stick to the flask.  I think I would add more I2 instead a lot of heat if it doesn't kick off. 

I noticed that pill trash will prevent the reaction fluid to gunk up and not change into the watery consistency. 

After pouring some fresh boiling DH2O into the flask for getting the rest of what was in there after you poured it out, should not continue to stick to the flask if all the pill trash is removed properly from the beginning.  I like what Uncle Fester pointed out that after pill cleaning put that gunk in with NaOh and a little DH2O and free base that into your solvent and gas, as that will provide pure feed as it's ephedrine HCI.  This was on a discussion about the need of pure form of feed for the electro reductions.  By the way I sure like his new book 5th edition.  I like it even better and is bigger than the smaller 4th edition.  It is one of the note book size book and just as thick as the 4th edition.  I mean 10 or 12" X 14" or 16".   

I would recommend a course sand filtration on the methanol step.  I found some sand/gravel mix at a concrete plant.
Being that they sell by the dump truck load they said I could have a bucket of it.  It is good sand.  I use to to grind glass to the consistency of talc but that just stops up every thing.  With this sand I put one of those plastic scrub pads in the bottom of a large funnel with 5 or 6" of the course sand and gravel. After pills are blended with freezing cold methanol in blender and letting most of the trash stay in the bottom of the mixer/blender or shaken and settled with freezing cold methanol in mason jars with the fine dry powder from a burr grinder.  While most of the trash is falling to the bottom of the jars, they can sit in the freezer.  I am sure the you already know about this technique of adding more methanol to the trash that was left in the bottom of those jars for more extracting. 

Anyway after pouring semi clear, but cloudy material into the gravel sand filter, it comes out of the funnel real fast, and crystal clear!!!

I think for as the other filtering steps such as the DH2O or warm acetone steps the "Merletta" coffee filters are good as I find that water doesn't help the sand filtering process.  Keep what is in the filter for the acetone step.  For DH2O and methanol you throw away what stays in your filter.       

Live with Freedom 		 
 
 
 
    budwizard
(Stranger)
05-19-00 19:38
No 6738
User Picture  		      Re: Is this MDA method esablished?     

I noticed no one would come foreward and say it would work and in what % of yield.
Fester is full of shit. Take this from someone who knows.
If it sound too good to be true it is.....

THE BUDWIZARD 		 
 
 
 
    cactus
(Stranger)
05-19-00 19:46
No 6742
User Picture  		      Re: Would one be able to use these chems?     

The povidone is what keeps things from staining and you got to get that out of there.  It is a night mare.  I tried clorine gas seperation techniques. 

By the way has anyone ran povidone I2 through sand/gravel trap for povidone removal? 

Live with Freedom 		 
 
 
 
    tvarius
(Stranger)
05-19-00 19:55
No 6744
User Picture  		      Re: pill id     

Hey, This Pill you are talking about :
It's 2 (two) miligram generic Xanax. Taken from Micromedex, pharm. tox. site.  		 
 
 
 
    Euphorium_727
(Stranger)
05-19-00 20:50
No 6754
User Picture  		      Re: Technical H2SO4     

Hi Einstenium
Have You calculate how many moles of H2SO4 You get from
a kWh and what you pay for it. I have´t but I think it is not so expencive. Carbon or lead electrodes are suitable.
I have sometimes try to do electrolysis of dilute (aq)soulutions with lead electrodes, it generate H2 and O2 at respective electrodes.
Where I live there can be verry difficult for a private person to get permission to buy concentrated H2SO4.
But it can pherhaps make "home chemistry" more ingenuous.

Sincerely Euphorium_727 		 
 
 
 
    catharsis
(Newbee)
05-19-00 20:55
No 6755
User Picture  		      Re: Is this MDA method esablished?     

Well i guess ill be a martyr for the rest of the bees who wish to see this happen. I'll let you know.

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    blasted
(Stranger)
05-19-00 21:55
No 6767
User Picture  		      Re: Silver-looking iodine?     

http://oso.adam.com/ency/article/002781sym.htm

Here is a url with some information on Iodine poisoning.  Sounds uncomfortable! 		 
 
 
 
    Felix
(Stranger)
05-19-00 22:20
No 6769
User Picture  		      Re: Vac Problems...     

Thanx Bright Star, Chromic... I'll make sure SWIF does that. But can I assume that SWIF's pump is functioning properly (i.e. pulling ~20"Hg) but it's just not a powerful enough pump in the first place?
 (goddammit... that'll teach SWIF not to buy the first pump he comes across next time......) 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-19-00 23:17
No 6785
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

ok well here is yet another way to make pure NH3, 1 get some ammonium nitrate, ammonium chloride or some ammonia based ferttalizer (10/10/10) just pick one, now get a heavy walled filtering flask and a round bottom boiling flask and 2 20 oz pop bottles, some lye, and some clear flexible vinyl tubing,and some calcium chloride, and some epsom salt,now put the ammonium chloride in the filtering flask and run a hose from it, now cut the bottoms out of the soda bottles and fill one with the calcium chloride and on the top put a coffe filter now duck tape the other soda bottle to the one with the calcium in it, now fill the soda bottle the rest of the way with the baked epsom(yeah i forgot to tell you to bake it)and you should have stuffed the openings of the pop bottles with cotton so the contents dont fall out, now connet the filtering flask to the pop bottle, now make a dry ice bath for the boiling flask(if the boiling flask is small enough, just cut the bottom out of a 2-3lt pop bottle and fill it with dry ice and acetone) now on the side vacuum connection of the filtering flask fit it with some tubing, and in the tubing put a funnel, now connect the other end of the pop bottle to the boiling flask, now make a strong lye solution and add small ammounts to the funnel thats connected to the filtering flask, and close the line with some vice grips, so all in all the NH3 will go through the connected pop bottles with the drying agent, then the dry NH3 gas will gointo the boiling flask thats in the dry ice/acetone bath and condens, and there's you NH3.

DISCLAIMER: i dont break any laws and if you do thats your own damn fault, so if you get caught or hurt doing anything its all your own fucking fault. 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-20-00 00:07
No 6795
User Picture  		      Re: Hydrolysis     

It should be the bromomagnesium imide salt of o-chlorophenyl cyclopentyl ketone.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-20-00 00:09
No 6796
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

Sounds ok on paper, but I would think that the acetaldehyde and the ethyl bromide would be prone to polymerization.

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    Bwiti
(Stranger)
05-20-00 03:30
No 6849
User Picture  		      Re: Dihydrocodeine     

Thanks ! I might give it a try. 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-20-00 04:12
No 6860
User Picture  		      Re: New supplier of legal experimental compounds     

Did I miss the address for this source?

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    Ben_Sherman
(Newbee)
05-20-00 04:40
No 6866
User Picture  		      Re: polar/non polar     

Little

http://www.chem4kids.com

 

Just becaues you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. 		 
 
 
 
    Alphabeta121
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 05:57
No 6887
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

You could put it in a 'bug sprayer' with a good pressure cap. and pump it up so the NH3 remains in its liquid state.  But really, I'd just use the NH3 on the spot. 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 06:15
No 6895
User Picture  		      Re: Could this make EZ NH3 anhy     

hmmm i never tried to store the shit, what kind of bug sprayer would you use for this, plastic or metal? 		 
 
 
 
    technicolor
(Stranger)
05-20-00 06:18
No 6899
User Picture  		      Re: pill id     

thanks.
whats the significance of the U94?  is it a unique code to identify the contents of the pill or is it a manufacturer specific batch number?  U = upjohn maybe, 94 = batch? 		 
 
 
 
    Fuchem
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 06:28
No 6904
User Picture  		      Re: Thrift Stores...     

I found a nice li'l centrifuge in a Goodwill. 6 place, 3400 RPM, 25mL.[-= 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Stranger)
05-20-00 08:08
No 6931
User Picture  		      Re: Al/Hg Question     

AT. Study Methly Man's Al/Hg writeup. Nice. :) 		 
 
 
 
    Black_Death
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 08:16
No 6935
User Picture  		      Re: instead of drugs in pill form     

How about the inside of a vics inhaler you can stack 4 to 5 pill up it and still use it.  you can put a gram of anything inside as well.  Pussy is a great device adds flavor too. You can use a cd case under the thing that holds the cd and the paper on the back cover.  Other than that I'm out of ideas. 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Stranger)
05-20-00 08:18
No 6937
User Picture  		      Re: mdp2p stability     

I saw Bright Star respond to this one time. If memory serves me, he said, the purer your MD-P2P, the longer it will take to degrade.

My question is, how do you know it has degraded ?  Will it turn orange or something that gives us a big clue to toss it and not waste time with it ?  My fridge buggered out for a week one time and I'm pondering ? 		 
 
 
 
    Undertowe
(Stranger)
05-20-00 08:34
No 6941
User Picture  		      Re: Hotplate/Stirrer Confusion     

Brightstar... Thanks so much for the information and answering my questions with such thoroughness.

I'm off to a large annual "block sale" in just a few hours to see what suitable vessels (and other goodies) I might discover.

Where can I find the bp's of other vegetable/mineral oils? I already checked on a few online chem ref's but didn't turn up much info.

Thanks again.

Undertowe 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 08:47
No 6946
User Picture  		      Re: meth manufacture     

DAMN dude you dont need info you need to go rent a cook, if you cant understand the cookbook why are you in the kitchen? just use SEARCH 		 
 
 
 
    Stonium
(Moderator)
05-20-00 08:51
No 6947
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

ACE is the place for the helpful hardware (wo)man.

If you have THEM, they got IT. Every one I've ever been in, anyway.

Check/It,
Stonium 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Stranger)
05-20-00 09:02
No 6949
User Picture  		      Re: Technical H2SO4     

I tried it once with copper vitriol, It was a PAIN in the der backside,laugh
but does work.
Things can get hot with such currents, but maybe you have better technique than me, as I did use a bowl and a battery charger at the time (4amps for 3days).
Be aware that some quantities of H2SO5 may be formed and lead anodes give considerably more ozone, you probably have noticed a 'smell' to the oxygen,
I would presume the persulphuric breaks down upon concentrating the mixture afterwards, there are some fumes generated here 		 
 
 
 
    bornagainpagan
(Stranger)
05-20-00 09:10
No 6952
User Picture  		      Re: eph oxidation sodium metaperiodate     

dammit nobody likes this chem.


Lawz without victims serve no purpose other than to increase crime. 		 
 
 
 
    penlane
(Stranger)
05-20-00 09:40
No 6956
User Picture  		      Re: red P from strikers     

Thanks for the fast response & info.Like I said I'm new & probably look foolish to anyone with experience but Oh well!! Thanks again 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Stranger)
05-20-00 09:57
No 6961
User Picture  		      Re: Sassy oil     

Try to see if it contains safrole before buying it in quantity,
You can try freezing some out and check the melting point of the solid (~5-11'C).
It should form an addition product with Hg acetate of a particular mp, a process which can be found around here somewhere.smile
Maybee you can check its bp ~234'C, it would be recommended to distill the oil anyway

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    bornagainpagan
(Newbee)
05-20-00 09:59
No 6962
User Picture  		      Re: false names     

from what iv'e heard repeatedly if you happen to mail to your house a false name dont mean shit when a fat bloated stuck pig  narc with small prick and flat feet comes knocking on your door while your in the kitchen shakin down that last jar of honey at 2am in the morning. what im trying to say is that cops arrest the house and look for the occupants as they go those maggot infested pole up thier ass pricks don't give a shit about america liberty or privacy.

Lawz without victims serve no purpose other than to increase crime. 		 
 
 
 
    element109
(Stranger)
05-20-00 10:32
No 6968
User Picture  		      Re: Who made post on DMMDA via halo/hex??!!!     

TOO MUCH H2SO4 will turn HBr into Br2. Maybe lab grade HBr is colorless, but i think this technical solution made with drain cleaner normally turns orangish.



E109- 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Stranger)
05-20-00 12:15
No 6976
User Picture  		      Re: yield of isosafrole     

what extent of overheating causes the ring to cleave with ethanolic Na/KOH as I have read that its a valid isomerisation method, anyone?

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    mr_pyrex
(Stranger)
05-20-00 12:21
No 6977
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

In regards to the rotten egg smell, you are correct, there are three components of those batteries 1)Lithium  2)The black disk 3) A liquid of some sort...As to the name of #2 and 3, sorry but my dam brain is on the fritz again and for the life of me I can't remember those names, if they come to me I'll post em.  But not too worry they weren't dangerous...just don't go eatting them :-).  And wouldn't recommend extended contact with the skin, other then that have at em.  Pyrex outta batteries 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-20-00 13:18
No 6995
User Picture  		      Re: NaBH4-Cu2+ red'n of nitrostyrenes -> amines     

But is it reasonable to believe that the copper exists in the Cu(II) oxidation state when it is in a solution with excess NaBH4?

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org 		 
 
 
 
    factol
(Stranger)
05-20-00 13:30
No 7004
User Picture  		      Re: Special K only special via I.V.?     

if you're worried about I.V. you could always go the I.M. route, this seems to be the most popular and that's how they do it in the vet's office.  		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-20-00 14:54
No 7024
User Picture  		      Re: beginning     

Hey Bro....He's right! Follo Placebo's adVice and veiw Worlock's page...it'll help ya make the dream of chili, as for cat........I got that dream, heheheh!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    mnm
(Hive Bee)
05-20-00 16:38
No 7057
User Picture  		      Re: Ecuadorian pharmacies     

The only problem with Nubian and Stadol is the fact that they both contain opiate antagonists as well as the good stuff..

So if you use opiates on a regular baisis, these can cause you to go into instant withdrawl.

-mnm 		 
 
 
 
    Einsteinium
(Stranger)
05-20-00 17:39
No 7080
User Picture  		      Re: DCM from Zip-Strip     

Here in "Austria" we don't have Zip strip, I assume its paint stripper. Is it contaminated with MeOH and Naptha as it is here

every thing is relative 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Stranger)
05-20-00 18:04
No 7088
User Picture  		      Re: A sustainable source of safrole     

I'm suprised that "the total annual demand is estimated to be around 2,000 tonnes." Doesn't seem like very much. 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Stranger)
05-20-00 18:12
No 7091
User Picture  		      Re: Ocotea albidum?     

Ocotea albidum is your friend :) 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-20-00 18:20
No 7093
User Picture  		      Re: Al/Hg Question     

Found MM's Wacker/MeOH method:

http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/wacker.benzo2.txt 		 
 
 
 
    bizwax
(Newbee)
05-20-00 19:17
No 7103
User Picture  		      Re: Hg vapor from Al-Hg reaction?     

MM man. Let me try to be as inspirational to you as you have been to me. Build yourself a hood dude. You won't know how you ever did without it. If you ever have an explosion, it'll be contained in the hood. And you'll never have to bag vapors again.

Here is the basic stuff needed:

several 2x4's
2'x4' 3/4" wall board for base
3/4" fiberboard for sides and top
4'x4' 1/4" fiberboard for interior back wall.
2'x4' 1/4" fiberboard for interior top
Plexiglass
fan
airduct
some good paint and caulk.

Use epoxy paint for durability. Fireproof caulking can be had at Home Depot. Run your airduct out the dryer vent or window in that cottage of yours and your good to go. It can be built for under a $100 bucks. Put doors on it and you can lock it up when not in use. Hell, you could even convert a kitchen cabinet into a hood. You can even get creative and make the plexiglass slide up and down if you want. Do this by sandwiching it inbetween two 2x4's. Take a router and route out about 1/2" of the side of one of the 2x4's , put the 2 2x4's together and you have a notch to slide the plexiglass up and down on.

To get an idea of how to frame it out look at your kitchen cabinets. Just expand on this concept, but you don't need all the fancy joint work. Use fine threaded drywall screws to put the thing together. That way if you fuck up, you can unscrew, no pulling nails out this way. If you use a good power drill or battery powered screw driver its a breeze. After you frame it, you can use drywall for the sides, back and top. Its fireproof and easy to work with. Use a nice piece of 3/4" fiberboard for the base where all your glassware will be sitting. Mount 4 evenly spaced 2"x4" blocks on your back wall. You'll be using these to provide a 2 inch gap between your back wall and your back interior wall. The interior wall comes to within 2" of your base. Fumes are sucked up in between the two back walls. You do the same thing with you top, but use a 3" gap at the front of the hood. This allows fumes that didn't get sucked at the bottom another chance to escape. Caulk all your joints and give the thing a nice coat of epoxy paint. The epoxy is impervious to the likes of DCM and DMF. DCM and DMF will eat right thru varnish. Make sure to wear a respirator when using the epoxy, its fumes are worse than anything used to make M D MA. You'll find expoxy paint expensive unless you know where to look. It can be had for about $10bucks a gallon when being liquidated by a certain supply that is mentioned in the book below. A cheapo $50 buck 210 cfm unit. works great in a 32 sq ft unit. It isn't explosion proof, so don't put explosive shit in the hood.  One thing you might think about is when your standing that 400mm condensor for your Al/Hg. Make sure it'll fit upright in your hood.

When your done building you can test it by lighting a candle, blow it out and watch the smoke get sucked up.

If you haven't already Check out:
The Construction and Operation of Clandestine Drug Laboratories (2nd ed: 85178)
by Jack B. Nimble.

I know a guy that built to Jacks specs and it works great ! 		 
 
 
 
    akafryguy
(Stranger)
05-20-00 22:46
No 7131
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

Mr_pyrex dude could you help me with this dream man i mean more like a nightmare see ive not been able to find anymore nh3 only 3% nh6 recently scored last nh3 from a friend like a one time thing and ive been haveing hell trying to get the shit do you know of a realalistic place a person could get this shit any info would be more than helpfull thanks dude. 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-20-00 23:38
No 7135
User Picture  		      Re: Brown Goo     

When I get the time, I can post mine....I dream 5-6 O's at a time!!!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    XplosiveKemistry
(Newbee)
05-20-00 23:41
No 7136
User Picture  		      Re: Toluene     

Of course, it's only $7 a gal.!!!

---StaY TighT Bro,    XXX 		 
 
 
 
    BLOOD
(Hive Bee)
05-21-00 00:32
No 7148
User Picture  		      Re: Ephedrene pills??     

am i the only ONE that has seen these pills?






Why would you fuck with me when you know that i'll put ya 6ft deep and your friends can die with ya 		 
 
 
 
    phaidon
(Newbee)
05-21-00 00:52
No 7157
User Picture  		      Re: maybe 4 steps from tryptophan to DMT/DET/DPT     

psyloxy,

could you check on the image url? Comes up as an error here.

Laters,

-- phaidon, son of apollon

I scorched the Earth, now what do I do tomorrow? 		 
 
 
 
    Jetson
(Stranger)
05-21-00 04:12
No 7199
User Picture  		      Re: lithium batteries     

akafryguy, you might want to check the aquistition discourse forum and hit the ez anyhyrous nh3 post. I don't know if that's the correct name of it or not but it's something similar.  It might help ya, it might not. Worth a peek though huh?

born cross-eyed.....tongue 		 
 
 
 
    elvis
(Stranger)
05-21-00 04:47
No 7212
User Picture  		      Re: BS synth ?s     

problem with using a magnetic stir bar under heat is you shoot the magnet to hell with the heat...i learned two things about magnets in physics...never hit em with a hammer and never HEAT em up...by the way im not trying to be a smart ass just save someone some cash...otherwise the synth is good.
elvis 		 
 
 
 
    obituary
(Newbee)
05-21-00 04:53
No 7216
User Picture  		      Re: carbon rods     

the nine volt batteries?  or maybe an even larger version?  thanks for clarifying the torch question- it's been so long since i've heard a flashlight refered to as a torch that i forgot about its meaning 		 
 
 
 
    cketone
(Stranger)
05-21-00 05:15
No 7226
User Picture  		      Re: ketone distillation     

Does anyone have any idea what is going wrong with the distillation?  I don't understand the mechanics of the mistakes nor do I understand the mechanics or the solutions.

Thanks again cketone